Having kids

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kiff

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gopostal said:
Semantics aside, my wife is a grade school teacher and I'm a mailman. We see how people live first-hand and you couldn't be more wrong. I can assure you that the meal many kids get at school is the best they get. America does not equate with across-the-board prosperity especially in the lower-middle class. I know kids that literally depend on the weekend food put into their backpacks by the teachers.
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I know a lot of people that teach (including many family members) , I live in a relatively low income city, and I've never even heard of this or known anyone that has to feed their kids from stuffing their backpacks. not saying it never happens, but it must be a very rare thing

I do think ppl should wait until they're financially stable to have kids. sure, you'll never make as much as you want, but you shouldn't be pumping out the puppies if you're still flipping burgers to pay the rent on your studio apartment
 
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my GF and I are waiting to get our studies over with, get married and get kids. :)
I still had to convince her a bit cause she wanted a career and seems that woman with kids and career don't mix... :/
 
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kiff said:
I know a lot of people that teach (including many family members) , I live in a relatively low income city, and I've never even heard of this or known anyone that has to feed their kids from stuffing their backpacks. not saying it never happens, but it must be a very rare thing
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Wow, really?

Oregon: http://www.ode.state.or.us/search/page/?id=2211
Maryland: http://www.sodexofoundation.org/hunger_us/mission/mission.asp
Minnesota: http://www.feedingourcommunitiespartners.org/programs.php
Connecticut: http://www.ctfoodbank.org/kids.php
North Carolina: http://www.news-record.com/content/...m_helps_launch_backpack_food_program_for_kids
Virginia: http://www.brafb.org/OurPrograms/ForChildren/BackPackProgram.aspx
Kansas: http://www.harvesters.org/WhoWeAre/Index.asp?Reference=BackSnack
Tennessee: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jamestown-tn/TOP9UMFPLO9Q62ADK#comments
Kentucky: http://godspantry.org/aboutus/our-programs-services/the-backpack-program/

and on and on.....BTW googling "school backpack food program texas" gave four solid pages of returns before I stopped scanning. How could you possibly not know?
 
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Igoy

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Igoy said:
There's never a good time to have a kid. Just suck it up and do it.
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theabyss said:
What I am saying is if you are waiting for the perfect circumstances to raise a child, it will basically never be the right time. There is never a perfect time for it, even when you are financially secure.
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lovebug said:
It makes me laugh how people have such strong opinions on children, but they dont actually have any, they just assume they know what they are talking about. Welcome to BuF! :)
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Huh. Look at that. Guess I do know what I'm talking about. ;)
 
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kiff said:
wow, really? because there's programs for this "problem" really means it is a problem? :lol:

again, I've never met a person or even heard of a real person that does this? anyone here, besides gopostal know anyone that survives off their kid's stuffed backpack?
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I know a woman that is probably about 80 now that was in a situation like that, but she is the only person I've ever heard of having that kind of problem. Obviously I'm sure it happens, but I'd be REALLY surprised if it is as frequently as was implied.
 
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Igoy said:
I've already said in a previous post nobody can ever be ready for a child
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Of course you can be ready to have a child, what are you talking about? I spent 7 years with my husband and we PLANNED to have a child.

Igoy said:
Having a kid just because you're in love is incredibly selfish if you don't have the right environment and financial support to back it up. Stop living in a dream world and start living with some practicality.
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Having a child with the person you love and wanna spend the rest of your life with is NOT selfish. You dont need to be rich to have a child, babies need very little except somewhere clean and warm to sleep, milk and nappies and lots and lots of love and attention.

Am I missing the point again?? :rolleyes:
 
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I think the point is, no matter how much preparation you do, some curveball will come along.
 
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toniglandyl said:
my GF and I are waiting to get our studies over with, get married and get kids. :)
I still had to convince her a bit cause she wanted a career and seems that woman with kids and career don't mix... :/
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WOW!!! I hear warning signs here. DO NOT I repeat DO NOT convince her to give up her career chances in favour of having a child. She will resent you forever for it and will regret it.
Let her pursue her career, enjoy the money and prospects the job brings and THEN have a family. Then when she decides to return to work she will go back into a decent job and not always look back wishing she had done things differently.

Of course this is just my opinion but its based on seeing many of my friends do the same thing. Starting your career after having children is very difficult and your torn with guilt for having to leave your child in childcare while you pursue the career you should have gone for prior to having kids.

RANT OVER! :D
 
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Sir_Brizz said:
I know a woman that is probably about 80 now that was in a situation like that, but she is the only person I've ever heard of having that kind of problem. Obviously I'm sure it happens, but I'd be REALLY surprised if it is as frequently as was implied.
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Yea, I agree, there's probably a few rare cases here and there, but it's no reason to convert our schools into soup kitchens. We have plenty of programs to feed the needy. (I'm sure you'd agree)

lovebug said:
WOW!!! I hear warning signs here. DO NOT I repeat DO NOT convince her to give up her career chances in favour of having a child. She will resent you forever for it and will regret it.
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pff, don't worry, she'll resent you no matter what you do :lol:
 
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kiff said:
Yea, I agree, there's probably a few rare cases here and there, but it's no reason to convert our schools into soup kitchens. We have plenty of programs to feed the needy. (I'm sure you'd agree)
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I definitely do. I am sure there are some cases where that is going on where the parents refuse to get help from the state/other welfare programs out of pride or something. I think the most important thing here would just be caring neighbors that take an interest in the people around them and notice someone is having a hard time. There are still lots of people who aren't out of work, who aren't having a hard time providing for their families who could help those people out. Even just interested teachers at school could help situations like that quite a bit.

Nobody knows when personal financial catastrophe is going to happen, so I don't think that the threat of that is a good reason to say you don't understand why people have kids in this economy. Even in our most prosperous years there were lots of people in financial ruin having problems, so using that logic no children should have ever been born.
 
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