[lolitics]Your thoughts on offshore drilling after this mess.

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Benfica

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Observers have noted that after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, corporate bull**** gushed up like a geyser for two decades and didn't wane until the oil company had bull**** its way through an exhaustive process of court appeals that ultimately reduced payouts to victims by 90 percent.
Will this happen again? Are the victims of the disaster that will need to start lawsuits and carry the burden ?
 

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Ironically, BP filing for bankruptcy would be one of the worst outcomes for the cleanup effort as they would then have an excuse to decrease or nullify their financial responsibility and hand the bill over to the EPA and the American taxpayer. Canadian mining companies turned several sites into Montana into horrible environmental disasters and then deliberately filed for bankruptcy and walked away with millions of dollars in bonuses, leaving the cleanup to the EPA superfund. If something like that happens I think the only effective response would be sweeping criminal charges.
 

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Once a government pet, BP now a capitalist tool
By: Timothy P. Carney

As BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil rig was sinking on April 22, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was on the phone with allies in his push for climate legislation, telling them he would soon roll out the Senate climate bill with the support of the utility industry and three oil companies — including BP, according to the Washington Post.

Kerry never got to have his photo op with BP chief executive Tony Hayward and other regulation-friendly corporate chieftains. Within days, Republican co-sponsor Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., repudiated the bill following a spat about immigration, and Democrats went back to the drawing board.

But the Kerry-BP alliance for an energy bill that included a cap-and-trade scheme for greenhouse gases pokes a hole in a favorite claim of President Obama and his allies in the media — that BP’s lobbyists have fought fiercely to be left alone. Lobbying records show that BP is no free-market crusader, but instead a close friend of big government whenever it serves the company’s bottom line.

While BP has resisted some government interventions, it has lobbied for tax hikes, greenhouse gas restraints, the stimulus bill, the Wall Street bailout, and subsidies for oil pipelines, solar panels, natural gas and biofuels.

Now that BP’s oil rig has caused the biggest environmental disaster in American history, the Left is pulling the same bogus trick it did with Enron and AIG: Whenever a company earns universal ire, declare it the poster boy for the free market.

As Democrats fight to advance climate change policies, they are resorting to the misleading tactics they used in their health care and finance efforts: posing as the scourges of the special interests and tarring “reform” opponents as the stooges of big business.

Expect BP to be public enemy No. 1 in the climate debate.

There’s a problem: BP was a founding member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), a lobby dedicated to passing a cap-and-trade bill. As the nation’s largest producer of natural gas, BP saw many ways to profit from climate legislation, notably by persuading Congress to provide subsidies to coal-fired power plants that switched to gas.

In February, BP quit USCAP without giving much of a reason beyond saying the company could lobby more effectively on its own than in a coalition that is increasingly dominated by power companies. Theymade out particularly well in the House’s climate bill, while natural gas producers suffered.

But two months later, BP signed off on Kerry’s Senate climate bill, which was hardly a capitalist concoction. One provision BP explicitly backed, according to Congressional Quarterly and other media reports: a higher gas tax. The money would be earmarked for building more highways, thus inducing more driving and more gasoline consumption.

Elsewhere in the green arena, BP has lobbied for and profited from subsidies for biofuels and solar energy, two products that cannot break even without government support. Lobbying records show the company backing solar subsidies including federal funding for solar research. The U.S. Export-Import Bank, a federal agency, is currently financing a BP solar energy project in Argentina.

Ex-Im has also put up taxpayer cash to finance construction of the 1,094-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline carrying oil from the Caspian Sea to Ceyhan, Turkey—again, profiting BP.

Lobbying records also show BP lobbying on Obama’s stimulus bill and Bush’s Wall Street bailout. You can guess the oil giant wasn’t in league with the Cato Institute or Ron Paul on those.

BP has more Democratic lobbyists than Republicans. It employs the Podesta Group, co-founded by John Podesta, Obama’s transition director and confidant. Other BP troops on K Street include Michael Berman, a former top aide to Vice President Walter Mondale; Steven Champlin, former executive director of the House Democratic Caucus; and Matthew LaRocco, who worked in Bill Clinton’s Interior Department and whose father was a Democratic congressman. Former Republican staffers, such as Reagan alumnus Ken Duberstein, also lobby for BP, but there’s no truth to Democratic portrayals of the oil company as
an arm of the GOP.

Two patterns have emerged during Obama’s presidency: 1) Big business increasingly seeks profits through more government, and 2) Obama nonetheless paints opponents of his intervention as industry shills. BP is just the latest example of this tawdry sleight of hand.

Once a government pet, BP now a capitalist tool.

Timothy P. Carney is The Washington Examiner's lobbying editor. His K Street column appears on Wednesdays.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...a-capitalist-tool-95942659.html#ixzz0qNpIQK31


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...a-capitalist-tool-95942659.html#ixzz0qNojKWYF
 

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I think it's funny people still think that our two major parties are actually on different sides.

We live in an oligarchy, with a few genuine politicians trying to get things right, and a very entertaining reality show version of a government, that could be hosted by Jerry Springer.

I think comparing the current and the last presidential terms is a pretty good indicator.

Then consider the options we had this time:
 

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oldkawman

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I think criminal charges are needed anyways.

Criminal charges have to start somewhere. The rig operator and the companies that built the parts that failed would be a good place to start. Too bad most of the evidence is laying a mile under water.

How much you want to bet it goes down as human error? The rig crew will likely be blamed for the mess. In time even the dead ones will be blamed for everything. That's just how it works, or how they will try and work it. BP will say it's the rig operator who is at fault, the rig operator will blame it on the contractors who built the equipment, all of them will blame the humans at the bottom of the food chain, I mean bottom of the ladder for incompetance and negligence..
 

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yea, because even before the investigation, we already know that there's no way it was just an accident. And, of course, it must be the fault of certain materials from halliburton... :lol:

:rolleyes:
 

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The oil is a mask to hide the fact that the government has approved dropping nuclear waste into the gulf and the construction of nuclear missile silos by private companies.