Gun Control

This is a pointless thread, I can end this all here.....

IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE COUNTRY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

Take the US for example. Gun control there would be suicide. It has a long history of gun culture, gun control would never work. On the other hand, take the UK. Virtually no-one here wants guns, people hate guns here. Removing the tight gun control laws in the Uk would be a very unpopular move.

As I said.. it's all based on the country you're refering to. I live in the UK, and I'm damn glad we have tight restrictions on guns here. I'm certain most Americans would feel the other way about it.

i think that people should be able to defend themselves with a gun. i think it is dumb to sell m16s and ak47s to the public, however. if guns were outlawed in the US, criminals would get their hands on them somehow anyway and then the innocent people would be helpless. i dont see anything wrong with having a pistol for protection or to go to the firing range with once in a while.

I like that music, lol

Ppl you are missing the point. Gun control isnt BAN of guns, only control in means of knowing who ownz what.

Doc_EDo said:

Ppl you are missing the point. Gun control isnt BAN of guns, only control in means of knowing who ownz what.

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Not really. It is totally illegal for any member of the public to own a handgun in the UK.

^ key word "handgun". Are you allowed other sorts of firearms, or are all firearms illegal?

I believe shotguns are legal, not sure about rifles.

Gun control means using both hands when I cap off a few rounds through my .44

LordKhaine said:

I believe shotguns are legal, not sure about rifles.

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That's kind of silly, isn't it? I mean it's just as easy to shoot someone with a shotgun as it is a handgun. Maybe you just have less careless idiots in the UK than we do.

ZenPirate said:

That's kind of silly, isn't it? I mean it's just as easy to shoot someone with a shotgun as it is a handgun. Maybe you just have less careless idiots in the UK than we do.

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Well its kinda hard to start a shooting with a shotgun. Semi/pump action shotguns arent allowed if I recall. Plus it's simply too big to hide one without cutting it down. And if you're gonna take the effort to cut down a shotgun for something... you're probably not gonna get the gun in a legal method anyway. Plus it's only farmers who really use shotguns, since they have stuff like foxes to shoot (when some fools arent riding around on horses chasing them anyway... heh)

If you really are all that interested in the legality of firearms in the UK, I suggest you google it. I'm only going from what I remember.

I was reffering to gun control the way its planned in USA (afaik).
In Europe you're only allowed to own any gun only if you are hunter and/or a regular member of a gun club, i.e. you must have a special licence.

I wanna know something...
do you have to go thru more legal "processes" to own a car than to own a gun in the US?

I personally feel a lot safer in a range than on the damn road

Nickelass said:

i think that people should be able to defend themselves with a gun. i think it is dumb to sell m16s and ak47s to the public, however. if guns were outlawed in the US, criminals would get their hands on them somehow anyway and then the innocent people would be helpless. i dont see anything wrong with having a pistol for protection or to go to the firing range with once in a while.

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Hmm, interesting. Criminals get hold of guns in this country... do you know who protects us (here in the UK) - the police. Strange idea, I know, but why not have some faith in your police force and let those who are trained and qualified protect you?

People are not helpless. We both live in a society of law and order (supposedly). I guess Americans are just untrusting in their system.

]x[issPoopShoot said:

Hmm, interesting. Criminals get hold of guns in this country... do you know who protects us (here in the UK) - the police. Strange idea, I know, but why not have some faith in your police force and let those who are trained and qualified protect you?

People are not helpless. We both live in a society of law and order (supposedly). I guess Americans are just untrusting in their system.

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The trouble is, you can't call the police and have them there in half a second when you need them. I would prefer myself to save myself or my family/friends when my life or their lvies are threatened.

I don't trust our police with their firearms. Why? In my state (please note I'm not American), they are given two hours a year on the range. You'd be lucky if they hit the criminal instead of you. If they should be trusted with firearms but not us, then for god's sake make sure they get enough experience with firearms.

I hate the gun control here, mainly because violent shootings have risen dramatically, which the anti-gunners said that gun control would stop, just like Prohibition

Doc_EDo said:

I was reffering to gun control the way its planned in USA (afaik).
In Europe you're only allowed to own any gun only if you are hunter and/or a regular member of a gun club, i.e. you must have a special licence.

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I'm not much into weapon laws but Europe consists of many different countrys and all have their own laws so I imagine that's not very accurate.

]x[issPoopShoot said:

Hmm, interesting. Criminals get hold of guns in this country... do you know who protects us (here in the UK) - the police. Strange idea, I know, but why not have some faith in your police force and let those who are trained and qualified protect you?

People are not helpless. We both live in a society of law and order (supposedly). I guess Americans are just untrusting in their system.

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That's awsome, how much did the police officer cost? I imagine it was quite expensive if you can carry it around in your pocket and it insta-grows to a full size human in case of emergency couse that's the only way a police officer will be there to protect you. Unless, of course, all the criminals are so nice to take a time-out while you call the cops and wait for them to arrive.

*edit* Insta-OICWed

LordKhaine said:

Not really. It is totally illegal for any member of the public to own a handgun in the UK.

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Didn't Propheteus address this sort of false evidence in "his" thread? Your example doesn't prove anything. "Handguns are illegal in the UK --> Gun Control = Gun Ban"? Check your logic unit, it seems to be broken.
Gun Control usually includes restrictions that make it harder to aquire guns and impossible in specific cases as well as registration of weapon sales. This can but does not have to go as far as not allowing guns to anyone in general, making the right to own a gun a privilege.

Nickelass said:

if guns were outlawed in the US, criminals would get their hands on them somehow anyway and then the innocent people would be helpless.

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Nonsense. Where do criminals get their guns from? Legally bought from shops, privately traded by legal gun owners, stolen out of a gun owner's house or from a friend or family member were the common ways last I checked the police statistics. Easy access is the only reason criminals get their hands on guns easily.
And what mysterious faith you have in your criminals. I guess everyone who decides to break the law gets a membership in Club Criminal, easy access to affordable firearms included.
That's bull****. Most criminals are neither rich nor have an easy life. Apart from the danger they have to "work" hard for their living. And why? Because they are losers. Most of them don't get anything done, they are not even very good at being criminals. They wouldn't be able to get hold of guns either if it wasn't so easy.

OICW said:

I personally feel a lot safer in a range than on the damn road

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I personally feel alot safer on the other side of the damn ocean.