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m16 heavy???

I think it is possible to aim with this very light assault rifle (in relation to hk G3) a longer time but for a better view you will often bring down your weapon for a time.

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wanna know what i think? i think you only need to post this stupid thread once fruitcake.

thats stupid

if you always carry your weapon in the aiming position you (a) can not turn as quick cos ur gun must go to side of the screen first and (b) it can block ur view

Good point, but maybe it should be like running, just taking away a little "stamina" while you do it. I mean, a SWAT team is supposed to clear an entire house with guns at high ready, but you can't do it forever.

The M-4 wieghs 6 pounds, and the M-16a2 is 8. The MP5 is about 7. I can hold any of them to my cheek longer than I can hold a 2-pound Beretta out at eye-level.

On the other hand, this is a game, and the soldiers are supposed to be professionals. Maybe the Army has a rifle-holding exercise?

Besides, the only real difference in gun weight happens with the sniper rifles. You can definitely only hold those up for a limited time before you have to put them down (either that or not hold them steady enough for a shot). I'm assuming the ability to rest the rifle on a bipod or craddle it against a wall isn't available. You'd want to put the sniper rifle down anyway in order to see instead of stumbling around blindly with tunnel vision.

mmmm...

Sounds like a smart idea, but it could hinder the gameplay. Yes, its super-realistic, but it would be super realistic having to aim a sniper rifle higher than your target at long distances, too, and in a fast paced game (as most shooters are,) that would get frustrating and wouldn't be as much fun. It should be a server-side option if it's going to be implemented.

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in rifle competitions, shooters use what's called natural point of aiming and support the rifle with their skeletal structure, not with muscles. once you get into a proper position, you can hold your rifle up for hours (well as long as you can stand still without fidgetting anyhow ) granted, in a combat scenario, you will not have a lot of time to find your natural point of aim, but i still don't think it should have too much of an affect on stamina. perhaps slowing down your maximum speed while aiming?

I agree that your muscles would get tired after awhile when aiming the gun, but it probably wouldn't get to the point where you would physically be unable to hold it up any longer. When the aimpoint wobble is implemented however, they could make it so that extended aiming periods (excluding when lying prone) increase the wobble, until you bring the rifle back down to the hip for a few seconds to give your arms a rest.

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Maybe it's just my imagination, but I think the stamina bar already goes down faster if I run with the weapon aimed then at the hip.

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I liked Shadowkil's suggestion- running speed should be slowed a little bit when you're aiming. You just can't get your arms pumping for a full speed run when you've got them holding a gun up to your eyeball.

I think that'd be better for gameplay too then having some stamina limitation on it or having it drop down after a timer hits 2 minutes or something.

it could be adjusted according to the bulk values of the weapons - the bulkier the weapons are, the faster your stamina bar drops if you're holding them at your shoulder.

so, if a M16 really weighs not so much more than a MP5, this could be set up very realistically. And it should make sure then that the sniper weapons are some of the bulkiest in the game.

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no use of that...

ok... forget it man, lets let the team work on better stuff.

Even if you held the weapon at eye-level while running, you wouldn't hit anything. The SWAT crouch everyone is familiar with is for deliberate, stealthy movement.

U people just wont stop before u'we ruined all my fun, will u?

I allways have my gun in the aimed position, but that doesent mean that i actualy aim it, when im shooting at someone, then yes, im aiming at him, but when im walking or running or even just standing around, i lower my gun, still ceeping it at a ready shoulderd position.

I would do the same thing in real combat, and i bet u would too.
Just look at some fotage from soldiers actualy fighting, how many do u see lowering their guns to their hip?.....none not counting the dumb ones.

This is one of the things i love about the INF aiming system, i gives me what any other doesent, the ability to hold my gun in a ready, but still comfortable position.

can't we all just get along?

hey why not let them hold there gun any way the feel!

heh

The only gripes i have about the current aiming system is automztically going in aim mode when you are in prone. When you have a sniper rifle this gets really annoying and the tunnel vision gets me every time.

Suggestion On The Aiming Issue

I personally think that it would be really hard to sprint while keeping one of the bigger guns in an aiming position. Perhaps you should allow the smaller weapons like pistols to be placed in an aimed position while sprinting while the the bigger guns will be automatically placed on your hip if you run for let's say 5 seconds (I don't think people can actually sprint for very long with a Sniper Rifle brought up right in front of their faces - I don't think they'll get any more tired or slower but I do think they'll have a very hard time not tripping over themselves since the weight of the gun will mess up their center of gravity).
The prior suggestion about not putting guns in the aim position automatically when you go prone just doesn't make any sense to me. Imagine keeping your gun at your hip while lying down? However, it doesn't make sense to me that you can crawl around while aiming a weapon while prone. I think perhaps in the future you should need to put your gun aside to crawl around in the prone position. While we're on this topic, you might also want people to be able to "sprint" crawl (move about twice the speed of the normal crawl at the expense of ALOT of Stamina). I'm sure that people can crawl faster than you can crawl in Infiltration right now - but definitely not while holding a weapon in Aim Position (you do use your hands alot while crawling afterall).