President Obama does it again!

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TWD

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When the only reason they now oppose them is because Obama supports them... then yeah, I can hold it against them. :goshen:

This simply isn't true. Just because the Bush/McCain wing of the party proposed an idea does not mean the GOP owns the idea. Conservatives were always against them. It was the same people that originally proposed amnesty, and we all know how that one turned out.
 

Vaskadar

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Which breed of conservatives are we speaking of? Social conservatives? Religious conservatives? Moderate conservatives? Neoconservatives?

Don't get me wrong, there are conservatives in both parties, but I find myself disagreeing the most with the radicals.
 

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Hey, if warring factions mean we get inaction on stupid bills, then bring it on I say! It's fair game when Democrats block stupid Republican bills (which Democrats originally proposed) as well. :)

Of course you not posting examples was merely an oversight that you intend to correct?

This simply isn't true. Just because the Bush/McCain wing of the party proposed an idea does not mean the GOP owns the idea. Conservatives were always against them. It was the same people that originally proposed amnesty, and we all know how that one turned out.

Had you looked at the links I posted you would note that some of these go back to Republican Messiah Ronald Reagan.
 
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Of course you not posting examples was merely an oversight that you intend to correct?



Had you looked at the links I posted you would note that some of these go back to Republican Messiah Ronald Reagan.

I really don't care who came up with them. The point is that opposition to some of these ideas existed long before any of us even knew who Barrack even was. Opposition really took hold around 2006 when conservatives started to turn on Bush. We oppose them because they are horrible ideas. That we can oppose Obama on them is just an added bonus.
 

cryptophreak

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You are a dummy-head

No, you're a dick, who also happens to be an alcoholic.

Oh yeah, well you're a big fat dummy head. You can tell I'm right because I gave this post a title and specified an obnoxious post icon. That will show you!
 

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President Obama just did it again! Awesome!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/polit...n=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)


Here are some of the comments:

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency" -Barack Obama

"Obama in 2007 told CNN that Executive Priviledge was not a good reason to with hold information from Congress."

Supreme Court case United States v. Richard Nixon…" the president cannot use executive privilege as an excuse to withhold evidence that is “demonstrably relevant in a criminal trial.”
 

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Although I wish there was more transparency from both sides in this hearing, good for him. The Issa-led panel is on a political witch hunt and will not stop short of Holder resigning and/or Obama being voted out of office in November. They are painting Obama in a negative light no matter what he and his administration does, and if he does release the documents in question, who knows how many American lives are at risk. These panels would be way more productive if the panel would be cooperative, and not say unproductive things like Cornyn explicitly calling for Holder to resign.

"Obama in 2007 told CNN that Executive Priviledge was not a good reason to with hold information from Congress."

Wow, an idealistic view before he was president changed during a realistic setting during a presidency? I never knew that was possible!

Supreme Court case United States v. Richard Nixon…" the president cannot use executive privilege as an excuse to withhold evidence that is “demonstrably relevant in a criminal trial.”

Since when was a congressional hearing a criminal trial? Is Holder the defendant and charged with a crime?
 
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What's frustrating about this thread is that I, too, am frustrated with Obama in such instances. He has reversed his position on matters of transparency and executive privilege a number of times, making him and his predecessor very similar in a number of areas that frustrate me. It isn't the problem of a politician going back on their word (because, let's be honest, the realities of life make EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING a hypocrite numerous times throughout their life--especially when it comes to such massive roles of balancing unwieldy lofty ideals with massive responsibilities) that bothers me so much, but rather a continued lack of progress in this country for more openness that only a candidate like Obama could have brought, which now isn't happening as I had so sincerely hoped it would.

But then we get idiots like Hermiskii who treat such disappointments as if 1) a politician changing their stance is a big deal in any way 2) Such positions, taken by essentially every president, in some way or another, are somehow the point in which the constitution has been shredded and crapped upon. 3) proof that the person that they disagree with on a small number of issues is actually some incarnation of the antichrist who is literally destroying our nation.
 

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But then we get idiots like Hermiskii who treat such disappointments as if 1) a politician changing their stance is a big deal in any way 2) Such positions, taken by essentially every president, in some way or another, are somehow the point in which the constitution has been shredded and crapped upon. 3) proof that the person that they disagree with on a small number of issues is actually some incarnation of the antichrist who is literally destroying our nation.
This bugs me, too. I don't agree with Obama on many political issues, but I don't think he is a bad person. He seems like a generally good person who is a good father and tries to do what he thinks is right. I get tired of all the slanderous speech about him actively trying to destroy America and turn it into the next socialist capital of the world.

I still want him out in November, but I can (somehow!) disconnect my personal feelings for the guy with his political leanings. I know, shocking.
 

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This bugs me, too. I don't agree with Obama on many political issues, but I don't think he is a bad person. He seems like a generally good person who is a good father and tries to do what he thinks is right. I get tired of all the slanderous speech about him actively trying to destroy America and turn it into the next socialist capital of the world.

I still want him out in November, but I can (somehow!) disconnect my personal feelings for the guy with his political leanings. I know, shocking.

I'll third that motion. It dismays me that we, as a society, simply cannot agree to disagree on major issues. Where compromise is a dirty word. Where people question one's patriotism with such vitriol and the need to label folks based on some political litmus test. Where the only way you can really defend against such hyper-polarization is to play the game, otherwise you will be silenced or ignored.
 

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I don't agree with Obama on many political issues, but I don't think he is a bad person. He seems like a generally good person who is a good father and tries to do what he thinks is right. I get tired of all the slanderous speech about him actively trying to destroy America and turn it into the next socialist capital of the world.
you're obviously not a true conservative.
 

cryptophreak

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All of this convoluted bullshit is why I'm dismantling all governments and major infrastructure. Then we'll live as nomadic hunters and the weak and/or stupid will die off. People will begin feeling silly discussing budget cuts and immigration reform almost immediately.

NOBODY 2012
 

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I still want him out in November, but I can (somehow!) disconnect my personal feelings for the guy with his political leanings. I know, shocking.

Aside from my obvious distaste of the shameful two-party system that lets this corporately funded charade of a 'republic' continue, I'd still take Obama over anyone the republicans have mustered the past 15 years.


Seriously though, you guys REALLY need more legitimate political parties. Three would be nice.
 
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