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Old 18th Jul 2003, 06:57 AM   #1
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Exclamation [UT2004] The return of the Sniper Rifle

What are your views on Epic bringing back the old UT99 snip[er rifle in UT2004?

Personally, I think it's a very bad idea. The Sniper rifle was removed in UT2003 for a reason. Unless something about the UT2004 sniper rifle is seriously nerfed, it's going to be just as unbalanced as the old one was. Also, where does this leave the lightning gun? Is that now obsolete? Or will it fill a different weapon "niche" in the game.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 07:05 AM   #2
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Its entirely their decision, but if it were left up to me id have removed every weapon from the game and replaced them with a frying pan... Ooo, teflon coating
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 07:18 AM   #3
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Mmm... teflon...
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 08:12 AM   #4
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I believe it's only for the new gamemodes. Right now we've no clue will the ltg be removed from tdm and ctf.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 08:27 AM   #5
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 08:29 AM   #6
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All this talk about weapon balance... you people don't realize how good you have it!

[old coot]back in my day, we didn't HAVE balance, we had
  • 2 shotguns with way too much spread
  • 2 nailguns that I'm pretty sure shot out corn kernels
  • a worthless grenade launcher that was powerful, but you never knew where they were going
  • an overpowered lightning bolt that could clear out most National Forrests
  • and a super fast and overpowered rocket launcher
and we LIKED IT![/old coot]

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Old 18th Jul 2003, 08:33 AM   #7
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Well at least the ut sniper rifle doesn't look ridiculous

The SR can be "spammy" (you know) in the hands of a llama...

Would it hurt to bring the old SR back? And maybe nerf it a bit (not too much), so people won't nag, nag ,nag and nag til they drop about yet again a spammy, destructive weapon?

Maybe make it look more like ehm.. remember that preview movie of unreal championship in (I think it was) march 2002? It looked pretty good then.
Would suit the more futuristic look of ut2003-4 I suppose?

LG was a horrible idea btw .. uh. >_<
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 08:41 AM   #8
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I think the lg was a great idea. You no longer have any of the problems with the sniper rifle. Yet even with fixing all those problems and sugh the lg is still arguably the most powerfull gun in the game, although it takes lots of skill to get there. I think you should KEEP IT! Adding a sniper rifle would sorta be self defeating.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 09:30 AM   #9
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spammeh?!?!?! :O

upon hearing someone load a rocket launcher behind me,*bullet time*, armed with my sniper rifle i used to cleanly take their head off within a split second. nowt spammy about that.

now what is spammy: is a silly little lightning effect which doesn't even hit anywhere in the crosshair.

in basics: i like a weapon what fires in a straight line and hits the middle of the crosshair dead on. tis what i trained with, tis what im good at. cam and scope you say? nah, most of you would of seen me running about taking heads off without even zooming much. least with the sniper zoom it's the place where i aim it at. with LG it just flaps about and ends up way off target.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 09:46 AM   #10
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I'd rather have a new original weapon instead of an old weapon that's got a good replacement.
Unless they cut the power & zoom-factor I wonder why anyone would want a weapon that could compete with the lightninggun.

Besides : there's the ChaosUt2 Sniperrifle ... so an 'official' sniperrifle like ye olde gun already exists.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 01:32 PM   #11
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spammeh?!?!?! :O

upon hearing someone load a rocket launcher behind me,*bullet time*, armed with my sniper rifle i used to cleanly take their head off within a split second. nowt spammy about that.

now what is spammy: is a silly little lightning effect which doesn't even hit anywhere in the crosshair.

in basics: i like a weapon what fires in a straight line and hits the middle of the crosshair dead on. tis what i trained with, tis what im good at. cam and scope you say? nah, most of you would of seen me running about taking heads off without even zooming much. least with the sniper zoom it's the place where i aim it at. with LG it just flaps about and ends up way off target.
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I think they with spammy means that the 'old' sniper had no reload- or charge time. You could just hold down fire and it would constantly fire until it was out of ammo.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 01:58 PM   #12
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Aiming in UT2k3 is ridiculously easy when compared to UT99. In UT99 you couldn't hit squat with the sniper rifle, now if you're not carrying the LG you've got a serious disadvantage against anyone.

Yeah, if the SR was brought in and you could hit something as easily as you hit anything with any weapon in UT2k3 then it would be a joke, I agree. Everyone knows that weapon balance _isn't_ ut2k3's problem - whole lot of room for improvement elsewhere.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 02:31 PM   #13
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i think they should bring back the sniper rifle, just make it more like a hunting rifle.....a bolt action with 5 round capacity
pump off the five shots in about 4 seconds, but then take a good 5 seconds to reload the five rounds....thatd make it stick to its role as a sniper rifle because it wouldn't be practical close range
with this setup, i wouldn't see the need to put a trail behind the bullets....just a flash out of the end of the barrel

btw chainsaw monkey, what the heck kind of sniper rifle is that? ME WANT
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 09:48 AM   #14
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actually the rocket launcher wasnt really super fast

it just spawned 20 ft infront of the player who shot it
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 10:42 AM   #15
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They are bringing it back as a NEW weapon, so that means the lightning gun will still be in there! Im sure the sniper rifle is optional!

also, with UT2004 being backwards compatable with UT2003, thats even more reason to believe that its optional
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 10:57 AM   #16
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Yeah I'm pretty sure they will make it a mute since the ye olde Sniper doesn't really fit with the current atmosphere.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 11:11 AM   #17
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this new sniper will probably be found only in onslaught and overlord maps which will supposedly be absolutely huge. Still there are problems with the old sniper rifle and I don't want to see them come back. If they are going to add a sniper

It must have a visable trail.
It should be completely worthless for anything other than extreemly long range shots. (ligtning gun for mid to long range and this sniper for extended long range).
Cannot have a rediculous rate of fire/damage.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 11:25 AM   #18
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this new sniper will probably be found only in onslaught and overlord maps which will supposedly be absolutely huge. Still there are problems with the old sniper rifle and I don't want to see them come back. If they are going to add a sniper

It must have a visable trail.
It should be completely worthless for anything other than extreemly long range shots. (ligtning gun for mid to long range and this sniper for extended long range).
Cannot have a rediculous rate of fire/damage.
Sounds like tribe's laser sniper.
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Old 18th Jul 2003, 11:33 AM   #19
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Why not just bring all the weapons from all the series and let you mix and match them into your own setups. Hehe that would solve problems and give you some good variety.
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Why not just bring all the weapons from all the series and let you mix and match them into your own setups.
You know, thats what I would of done for UT2004

have several diffrent types of set weapons...

- UT Classic - enforecer, goo, flak, ripper, mini, RL, shock, sniper, impact hammer, pulse

- UT2003/4 - shield gun, assult, goo, flak, mini, RL, shock, LG, pulse


you know, the server can force the weapons choosen or the set style, or you could have it freelanced where the server can pic any 10 weapons
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