Sorry I left like that.. I just feel that with the lag I was getting not to mention my high ping due to an optimizer someone sugested It was not a fair setup.. I have a pet peave when it comes to playing online with someone on a cable modem Isdn or DSL .. Don't hate me for that, its just not logical for a 56k trying to keep up with that kind of connection.. Its like setting a Volkswagon Bug next to a Lambragini.. Who do you think would win that race..was good to see you though /~unreal/ubb/html/smile.gif