This thread follows on a side-conversation from this thread.
Here's what's been said so far:
So with some delay, here's my answer to AEnubis:
I won't say that there aren't any hits by the mixing of gametypes: there will be maps that play out good or even great on both gametypes, but by far not all of them. BR maps need either passing opportunities or confusing opportunities to work...
Passing opportunity maps are those "straight line" maps; BR maps don't suffer from them
On the contrary: they allow for better passing to teammates!
The CTF equivalents of these maps will be hard to play, because the flag carrier has to cross big parts of open ground. The "straight line" BR maps are therefore don't fit to be transformed into good CTF maps (TBH: I don't like CTF-DE-Elecfields and CTF-Colossus exactly for this reason).
Confusion maps like Disclosure and Twintombs (and to a lesser degree Grendelkeep) don't need (much) passing opportunities to work: they provide multiple routes and a good deal of Z-axis, just like good CTF maps do. Therefore, they are more likely to be made into CTF maps. .
Unfortunately, not all good CTF maps with Z-axis turn out to be good BR maps. This is the radar's fault: in twintombs and disclosure, knowing in which direction the ball is can mean 2 or even 3 different corridors. This is because those entrances are directly above each other, thus making it harder to predict where the ball will be. In a random CTF map with different routes (let's say Citadel), this radar usually points out to a single possible entrance, so defenders will have it way to easy to predict where the ball is coming.
Here's what's been said so far:
-AEnubis- said:
Taleweaver said:
-AEnubis- said:
So with some delay, here's my answer to AEnubis:
I won't say that there aren't any hits by the mixing of gametypes: there will be maps that play out good or even great on both gametypes, but by far not all of them. BR maps need either passing opportunities or confusing opportunities to work...
Passing opportunity maps are those "straight line" maps; BR maps don't suffer from them
On the contrary: they allow for better passing to teammates!The CTF equivalents of these maps will be hard to play, because the flag carrier has to cross big parts of open ground. The "straight line" BR maps are therefore don't fit to be transformed into good CTF maps (TBH: I don't like CTF-DE-Elecfields and CTF-Colossus exactly for this reason).
Confusion maps like Disclosure and Twintombs (and to a lesser degree Grendelkeep) don't need (much) passing opportunities to work: they provide multiple routes and a good deal of Z-axis, just like good CTF maps do. Therefore, they are more likely to be made into CTF maps. .
Unfortunately, not all good CTF maps with Z-axis turn out to be good BR maps. This is the radar's fault: in twintombs and disclosure, knowing in which direction the ball is can mean 2 or even 3 different corridors. This is because those entrances are directly above each other, thus making it harder to predict where the ball will be. In a random CTF map with different routes (let's say Citadel), this radar usually points out to a single possible entrance, so defenders will have it way to easy to predict where the ball is coming.
