In my opinion these games which show deaths as being violent and gruesome are more likely to put most people off killing people as they show that if you were to hack someone with a chainsaw it would be disgusting. Therefore the only people who would do it in real life would be the ones who are already screwed in the head. Games like Virtua Cop and the like, however, show that if you kill someone they just flash a little and disapear with no apparent pain. This could cause and impresionable youngster to think that death and killing isn't anywhere as bad as it's made out to be.

This is how I personally see it. Games are worse than movies in that YOU control the violence, you can make it a clean kill or you can completely splatter someone (Ahh those great "PANCAKE" moments...) These games have age limits on for a reason, and I'll admit, I've been playing UT since I was 12, but...so what, I've no desire to kill anyone. I watched "Terminator 2" when I was about 7 and then "The Crow" when I was 9 and well, big deal, I still have no desire to go out and frag someone in real life. At the moment I'm 17, I own GTA Vice City and previously have owned a lot of 18 rated games, DVD's and videos and I'm perfectly ok. I plan to purchase Doom III sometime after it's release date while I shall STILL be 17 (Oooh, you rebel). For some reason, I don't think that I'll be going out, buying a pistol, a shotgun and a Machinegun to try to track down a bunch of Daemons and Imps in real life. I actually do live in the UK and the press yesterday was FILLED with junk about this "Copycat Killing" and well, who's to say that it WAS a copycat killing anyways, granted, the game may have given the dude the idea to do it THAT way, but if he was going to do it anyway, then who cares how it was done. One dude's dead, and the other is in prison (UT2004 Jailbreak Anyone?) But seriously, There's always been scapegoats. I mean, we don't really know, but it's possible that when books were first sold for public purchase that that was to blame for more murders then, books can be as grizzly as any visual stimulus, since it's all in the mind, you can make it as hellish and brutal as you like, which means it's probably MORE likely to mess around with the less stable people in society. If violent games are banned, people'll look elsewhere for the violence, whether that would be abroad...or the scarier and darker possibility is that people WILL start acting it out because they can't do it any other way.

i think this is just another stupid way to that goverment tries to censure the public. people are the problem, not the games, after all, i remember stupid news stories of 6 and 7 year olds killin play mates from watchin shows like Power rangers and such, and did those get banned, no... and what about classics like the loonie toons, the real problem is the parents not teaching thier children properly.

the media is retarded

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just the daily mail? :D
Was it not the mirror who actually made up fake pictures of iraqies being beaten up by british troopers, then spent the next week trying to defend the pictures, faking interviews with troops and then suddenly realised it had probably caused another 10000 iraqies to want to join rebel groups?

British (newspaper) Media is the worst in the world - a well known fact among the intelligent.

murdering games?
 

this is a load of crap he is just blaming his actions on the fictional game manhunt which he owned its his fault for being a murder not the games, what is he doing which the game in the first place he is underage hes 17, and if his parents knew this why did they take it of him coz they say he was obsessed with it, this teenager is a bully from what i heard he threated to stab this dead 14 yr old boy, what he doing picking on 14 yr olds for in the first place he is nearly a man threating to stab them, and the newspapers saying ban these evil games there just full of crap they should be ban they print a load of crap about anyone and are just trying to sell a paper, games which they call evil are great titles like doom 3, hitman contracts and grand theft auto 3 etc these games have give me joy ban them?
i clearly say NO if we ban videogames which is madness we will have to ban films, music and books which dont have flowers in them, most people who say ban them dont even like any games or have ever played one, if we ban a content of games that is not giving people the right to make games about what they want this is censorship we are not living in a north korea.
this people who say ban these games are many parents and old people who care about there children yes i see why they are worried about games but at the end of the day it is up to them to not let this kids have these games if they disagree with them, but dont punish use all for a sick bully taking the life of a boy this was the boys fault and would say anything to get of going to jail for his actions, videogames are a victim of this people blaming them for people doing sick things like in america years ago a man or young adult sued id software for a killing rampage coz he played doom, and coloured people attacking hitman 2 coz u could kill people of mideast folk they called them racist but there racist in the game u get to kill whites, chinese, russians and more do u see angry whites protesting or chinese NO, coz they are fine with computer games its only a game the asian market rules parts of the videogameworld like console games like metal gear solid, resident evil, though the hitman games are on sale there they like them and use them like normal people, videogames are just being used as a tool to point the finger of blame at sick actions of people who need a reason for there crimes if you ask me and all the people who play these violent videogames know the difference of right and wrong, good and bad, and do not go around in big mobs doing psycho thingscoz of a game, things have nothing to do with games or just could set of a psycho to doing something dangerous like anything could like a film anything. i dearly hope manhunt is not banned coz i owned it and i like the game as a adult and i think people should stop being hippies and wake up and stop trying to ban games like these coz they are 18 as it is.

Maybe there should be a 21 rated section, which in shops has people who're armed and have to run a full psychological background check on you before you buy a game LOL
Who says that it's full games that can mess you up, what about FREELY available demos available to anybody over the internet?

Back to the racist point, this may also seem racist but I honestly don't have a problem with race. Why is it considered a race hatrid act when a white person does something to a black...but when it's a black having a go at a white person it's not? This is just my experience. I used to know a lad of Indian origin, who I did NOT at all like, he said I was racist for not liking him, I did nothing to him before or after, I just didn't like him because he actually used to bully me...it's not that I'm racist against his race, it's that I don't f***ing like him! LOL I do have friends who aren't white and I have neutral people that I've known who aren't white...and I've never had a problem with them. Sexism, Racism and Agism are all fairly awkward subjects but...they do exist and in a lot of race cases at least, I believe the white people do get the hard end of it. If an arguement does break out, you can end up calling a black person that n word, they can easily retaliate with calling you White Trash! it's not racism, it's just something to use, in the same way as my friend when I fell out with him used to call me a "Lanky Streak of p***" because I'm skinny. everyone has there own sore spot, I'm skinny, He's coloured, a girl I know is seriously over-weight, we all have our things, Apparently because I wear a long leather coat, I get called "Matrix" and for some completely unknown reason, people call me Egor...Why exactly?

I get to work today, I get briefed by the deputy manager (stupid bitch, I hate her) and I am told that we have taken all the manhunt's off sale, we are not to give any information about the game other than "sorry we do not stock the game" even if the question is about the content and nature of the game and the reply is grammatically retarded and finally if someone comes into the store with manhunt and demands a refund that we give them the refund no questions asked whether they have a receipt or not.

I then told my manager that this was overkill and also ****ing retarded, his response was "at least it's good PR"...

What the ****?

I think it's the braindead idiot way of Public Relations, but in no way do I think it's clever. I can't believe I was told not to talk about the game with customers, I even had to sign an email print-out saying so. Jesus christ... if the game should be banned then it shouldn't be for the violence but for the fact that it is a really **** game.

Right, so that's a container of 2500 units of Manhunt (at trade price) being delivered to my address tomorrow...which store do you work at? :lol: :p

Well, Pokemon IS evil, but not for those reasons.

Agreed....
 

This is another example of typical exploitation/sensationalist garbage that these type of so-called 'journalists' have to rely on in order to convince themselves that their pathetic lives are worth living.
This crap has been coming down on the heads of young people since the invention of mass media (at least in the 20th century). In the 1920's jazz was evil. In the '50's it was Elvis and rock 'n' roll. In the '60's it was the hippies. (No thanks to Charles Manson for blaming the Beatles for the Sharon Tate murders, but of course he was totally sane; of course). Then there was metal and punk. And then they started blaming young people's behaviour on action movies.

It's designed to (and I do mean designed):

1. Exploit the fear and ignorance of people who are stupid enough to believe what they read in these rags.

2. Retain an oppressive hold over young people so THEY (the establishment) feel like they are in control, and thereby have the power to rule over what young people find FUN.

3. Prove that they are fascists who will generalise everything in order to manipulate situations to their own advantage.

I wonder, statistically, how many violent crimes have been committed on this planet by people that have never played a computer game?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If someone's unbalanced enough to go out and kill someone with a claw hammer, it's not gonna make a damn bit of difference whether they've played a video game or not. Chances are they'd do it anyway.

I'm so tired of the "blame culture."

If they Ban UT...who, other than me, is going to kill themselves LOL :p

Hey Ulukai (and sorry to go waaay off topic here): is your avatar a Kodama or am I just being obscure?
As evidenced by the "You mean you guys actually have nude girls on page 3?!!" reaction that the UK gets from the rest of the world :)
This is interesting, because the game industry's one defence up to this point has been that "a 17 year-old is not allowed to play an 18+ game". It annoys me to see the industry defending itself so weakly - does anyone believe for a minute that when someone gets to their 18th birthday *ding!* you're suddenly a stable individual who won't ever do anything wrong or be effected negatively by products carrying an 18 certificate? Age ratings are an insufficient means of restricting games from at risk groups - But then the only alternatives are either too far-fetched and elabourate (psychological screening where any "normal" people can buys violent games) or too daily mail (ban everything because someone, somewhere is such an unbalanced worthless POS that they'll do harm to somebody after having seen / been in the same room as / seen the front cover of a violent game.)
Jigglypuff was cute though. Just as well the Daily Mail never campaigns to get cute stuff banned from Japanese imports, because then i'd get really mad :chainsaw: ... actually, Moogles, Chocobos, Pokemon and little Cactus men have probably warped my mind pretty bad...

...in closing.......
 

......and when they do find something new they can blame these ****heads keep dragging it out and exploiting it month after month, year after year.........
...and isn't it a breach of young peoples' freedoms to chose their entertainment(s) (parental permissions and censorship ratings considered) when a newspaper that I woudn't even use to wipe my arse with behaves in this manner; again?

a couple of months ago in sweden there was a "documentry" on the tellie dealing with this subject. well im not gonna get in on the details now (perhaps never) but one thing really pissed me off. they was in korea in some lab checking the brain activity on a "child" (female 15-17 years old)the game was tetris, and the outcome of the test was that the brain gets very relaxed, not much activity at all. well and the thing is that they only tested with tetris and thought that all games were the same.
well i gonna write a little something about stuff like this in school, and will probablly take some quotes from some of you people here, hope its okay :) i will of course give your internet nick(irl name if you have given any in it..

go for it!

i read about a very respectable university conducting an experament on video games and brain activity. it was found that, first person shooters, fighting, racing, and war strategy games generated brain activity equal to or HIGHER than a variety of top sporting athletes when they're "in the zone". apparently, the "zone" increases intelligence and focus ability.
Ever been playing UT and felt...smooth about what goes on? your accuracy gets higher, you're more alert, you're about to think faster? that is because you have entered the "zone" and your brain is working at *gasp* FULL POWER woooo! :)

i wish i could find the article to prove it to ya all.

I am grateful that we are all FREE to discuss all of this.

I have been watching a particular trial where a 'murderer' pleaded mental instability in order to get out of a verdict.

It worked, he has managed to put off the inevitable.

This situation, where a child murders and blames a game, shows the child had enough cognitive ability to quickly 'blame' something for his deeds, yet he hasn't the brain to realize he 'should have known better'.

this has nothing to do with games. If it did, based upon the numbers of CounterStrike players in the world, this 'sweet and juicy' news item would be played out by the millions.

Are there not a million of us out there? A million 'gamers' who must be being programmed AS WE PLAY to hunt down and kill?

*shakes head*

I can''t wait to see the news item where 12 people split into groups of six and grab flags and their cars and proceed to play capture the flag in the middle of the highway...

It's just incredible that this is even news...

Kudos to the game makers for allowing those of us (who might have had the urge to kill murder and maim) a way to vent our desires in a non lethal fashion ;)

That newspaper could easily be blamed for inciting more violence than a fricking video game.

That would be like people who get their a$$es handed to them by the creatures in Doom are more likely to go to church and become born again...

And on and on and on...

I can't believe this is back in the news... I am stunned...

Thanks to all of you for keeping it real and being a part of the most fun I have ever had in my life. :D

Hmmm that sounds like the gay group I work for...can any1 say Dick-sons group... :D

Only certain papers. And besides, even the girls "apprently" have opinions on things. And even then, surrounding it is media BS.

It makes people wonder if they forgotten how bad prohibition was...

yes we have naked ladies on page 3 just tits though and taking about the affects of the mind from computer games there was a paragraph in pczone how a monkey could play a videogame by using waves in his mind or something like that but think of that, controling a game with ur mind no keyboard.DODGEEEEEEE

soccer moms :rolleyes:

to all the goverments of the world..... if violent games will be banned we are goin underground!!! so shut the beeb up bout it cuz u cant do nuffin bout it!!

<----- hates stupid goverments....

If the newspaper is right, then I should also be a normal person turned into a bloodthirsty murderer by video games like Duke Nukem 3d, which I was playing while back in Jr. High. Or perhaps a law-ignoring reckless speeder because I used to play Need For Speed and run from the cops also when in Jr. High. Maybe even a menace to society because I used to allow or purposely set off disasters in Sim City when in elementary school. Worse yet, because of my experiences playing Pac Man the news media says I have a tendancy to bite people. :(

As a gamer, the media is defacing, discriminating against, and disgracing my image as a game playing citizen of the world. They're upsetting me so I'm calling my lawyer and we're going to ban the news media. ;)


Pokemon, ultra-violent? :lol: :lol: :lol: WTF are these people on? It's a children's game. 0_o

Actually, the media will turn this all into Bush's fault. The administration is damned if they do something and damned if they don't. I can see the headlines now:

VIDEO GAMES BANNED; NEWS MEDIA SAVES WORLD

BUSH ADMINISTRATION BLAMED FOR JOB LOSSES IN THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY

And they would put just that sort of thing out in the news in every single form it is created in. @_@ Give me a break, this is ridiculous.

PR my ass. That's called good MR (media relations). We live in a free market world (for video games) in which you can choose what to buy and what not to buy. You vote for how good a game is with your money. If you like something, then spend money on it. If not, then don't spend money on it. It's just f*en ridiculous that the media has this much power to take one or a small group of people to such an extreme to ruin games for everyone. This is total BS. Let the people decide by determining what does and does not sell.

Like I said before, people need to take responsibility for their actions and not just pass the blame off. This is as retarded as me saying "ow! I broke my finger while typing a response on this forum and it's all BU's fault! I'm calling my lawyer!" That's just f*en stupid. X_X

Well we can blame all the original game devs for this, like when the germans made the Nazi64 along with the controversial game Jew Killer. The christians and their popular system, crossplatform and their game join us or die..... During the civil war the southpaw system and its niggerhanger game really bent some people the wrong way too. Lotsa titles over many systems, like shooting from the bell tower, eating humans, rapenkill castle, i know you are and now you die, really paved the way for these kinda of cases....

Bunch of bull**** is all this kinda thing is, how many people across the world have these kind of games? and only a small handfull do this kind of ****.... They would have anyway.

I blame oxegen, we let idiots have enough to live and they do this kinda thing.

Some faggot owed him money and got iced, thats all, even if he used the games way of killing him it doesnt mean ****, they didnt brain wash him to do it.

If things like this ever escalate into total banning of cool games, so we end up with bunny jumping pussie titles, the new hit list for gamers will include all the media faggots and lawyers that did it, and well make sure to give them reason after the fact to ban games.

*starts making flak cannon*

You can't even have that. :( It's Ultra-violent for the following reasons:

1. Bunnies hop on grass and squish it. This could kill plantlife.
2. Bunnies eat vegetiation. This ultra-violent biting and swallowing procedure destroys life.
3. Hops from bunnies could stir up dirt/dust/etc. that could cause a person hard of breathing to die.
4. Bunnies could hop on pavement of some type and this is dangerous because people typically walk/drive/etc. over pavement which presents a possible ultra-violent "road kill" situation.
5. Eating carrots is not part of a well balanced diet and could lead to fatigue and even worse, an early death.
6. Bunnies could become rabid and go on an ultra-violent biting spree.

Will someone please think of the children!



Yeah, give me a break. @_@

ok, i have to disagree with everyone posting here.

Unreal Tournament 2004 is 'evil'...it's evil because it's so addictive, it's cut into my masturbation time more than once.