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Frostblood
7th Nov 2001, 03:27 PM
Can someone please point me in the direction of infomation on broadband access in the UK? my "trusty" old 56k is becoming increasingly inadaquate, and i've been thinking about setting up my own web server, so I need something fast, fast :) I've been doing my own research but if anyone can recommend a good service i'd be very greatful. Cost is the most important factor ( 25/month maximum, installation less important )

Djazaus
7th Nov 2001, 03:34 PM
I use ADSL from bt openworld , bout 40 a month.. Gettin' bumped I know..

I'm sure there are other, better deals out there so why not do a web search if you haven't already?

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 03:35 PM
NTL cable is probably your best bet

Run do not walk from BT dsl - I paid up for 12 months and have had appaling service for my 40 squid a month

web pages load no faster than a 56k, net games unplayable and BT 'throttle' ports (see watchdog etc for more details) so anything other than ftp or http will run at 50% or less of the speed the line should

factor in the 50:1 contention ratio on BT lines and you have a 'broadband' connection that's far, far worse than ISDN

Djazaus
7th Nov 2001, 03:39 PM
It's actually pretty good for me.. Haven't had the problems @kuma mentioned apart from occasional inturruption which hasn't happened for a while.

I don't have cable in my area anyway, so no NTL for me... Anywayz, I like sky digital better.

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 03:42 PM
How long have you been using it?

And do you use P2P? (you must have noticed the 2 k/sec transfer rates last month before BT were rumbled for the lying bastards they are)

Gaming, I usually get a 50-60 ping but 10-20% pkt loss and high choke playing on any servers... it's the RIP black boxes, gotta be.. I'm on HG15 but I've noticed no better performance on any other HG's.

Wish I'd gone for Zen or Nildram DSL :|

check these traces to 212.116.71.210 from BTopenworld HG15 over the course of the morning to see what a shambles their internal network is

Sunday 4th 9:30am

1 94 ms 39 ms 29 ms 217.32.81.130
2 29 ms 59 ms 109 ms 217.32.81.238
3 89 ms 69 ms 28 ms 62.7.251.129
4 39 ms 28 ms 270 ms 172.16.109.98
5 290 ms 29 ms 29 ms 172.16.100.34
6 199 ms 29 ms 29 ms 172.16.93.50
7 49 ms 29 ms 269 ms 172.16.93.68
8 270 ms 39 ms 29 ms 217.32.244.225
9 59 ms 28 ms 270 ms core2-gig2-1.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.197.2]
10 29 ms 290 ms 29 ms core2-pos13-3.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.222]
11 120 ms 58 ms 259 ms core2-pos8-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.13]

Sunday 4th 10:00am

1 25 ms 60 ms 88 ms 217.32.81.130
2 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms 217.32.81.238
3 430 ms 400 ms 59 ms 62.7.251.129
4 29 ms 29 ms 49 ms 172.16.109.102
5 59 ms 49 ms 39 ms 172.16.100.58
6 129 ms 39 ms 29 ms 172.16.93.54
7 89 ms 35 ms 29 ms 172.16.93.66
8 * 29 ms 69 ms 213.120.207.221
9 89 ms 39 ms 28 ms core2-gig2-1.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.197.2]
10 500 ms 129 ms 99 ms core2-pos13-3.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.222]
11 279 ms * 129 ms core2-pos8-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.13]

Sunday 4th 12:00pm

1 23 ms 29 ms 49 ms 217.32.81.161
2 29 ms 39 ms 59 ms 217.32.81.234
3 200 ms 69 ms 49 ms 62.7.251.129
4 209 ms 159 ms 49 ms 172.16.109.98
5 200 ms 159 ms 29 ms 172.16.100.50
6 160 ms 219 ms 59 ms 172.16.93.50
7 * 259 ms 281 ms 172.16.93.68
8 * 68 ms 79 ms 217.32.244.225
9 * 260 ms 111 ms core2-gig2-1.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.197.2]
10 139 ms 69 ms 159 ms core2-pos13-3.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.196.222]
11 219 ms 59 ms 200 ms core2-pos8-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.13]

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 03:49 PM
http://barman.servebeer.com/


assuming the page actually loads with BTO try those port speed tests during the daytime

512k line? Don't make me laugh :mad:

Djazaus
7th Nov 2001, 03:49 PM
I've been using it for about 10 months now.

I have no idea what P2P stands for (unless it's pay to play or sumthin?):D And I don't play online anymore cause I don't have time and prefer the design aspect of UT to the gameplay side of things these days.

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 03:51 PM
p2p = peer to peer, file sharing and mp3 swapping

bto throttled 99% of their network down to a max of 5k/second to stop people using file sharing programs... because they're going SELL file sharing to DSL users for a premium

people who asked were lied to by tech support for 3 months 'Theres nothing wrong with our network' etc

they're cnuts, total cnuts :(

Djazaus
7th Nov 2001, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by @kuma
512k line? Don't make me laugh :mad:

W3RD! I will agree with that.

Oh, the page didn't load.............

Frostblood
7th Nov 2001, 03:53 PM
Thanks for the warning...from what ive seen, NTL is probably the best but whats the deal with being an existing user of NTL? does that mean phone line, or more? Because so long as we could keep our number, i could probably convice my parents to switch.

Djazaus
7th Nov 2001, 03:56 PM
Peer to peer huh? If this applies to progs like morpheus etc, I always thought it was sh1t slow just cause there were so many users clogging it up.

Balton
7th Nov 2001, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Djazaus
Peer to peer huh? If this applies to progs like morpheus etc, I always thought it was sh1t slow just cause there were so many users clogging it up.

that explains why much stuff i was downloading is coming with a very ****ty rate even if its a dsl user( can see that from the bandwidth)

I noticed this a few weeks before. Its not my provider here in germany. i still have awesome speed. and i sometimes get up to my max of dl power. but the average dlrate is around a few 0.dunno what. orfcourse its not enough... DAMN! SLETS SUE BT!!!

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 04:37 PM
yeah thats the answer BT techs used to give 'the users you're downloading from are on slow lines'

a few people organzied a mass test which proved they were throttling and they caved in and admitted it

they're STILL ****ing doing it even though they promised to 'tell people if we ever do it again' and claim 'we apologized to all our users and informed them that what we did was a mistake'

that barman speed test shows they're throttling, which is why it's possible BT has blocked it....

Balton
7th Nov 2001, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by @kuma
yeah thats the answer BT techs used to give 'the users you're downloading from are on slow lines'

a few people organzied a mass test which proved they were throttling and they caved in and admitted it

they're STILL ****ing doing it even though they promised to 'tell people if we ever do it again' and claim 'we apologized to all our users and informed them that what we did was a mistake'

that barman speed test shows they're throttling, which is why it's possible BT has blocked it....


I heard of an 'organization' called gamers agaisnt BT. did they success? i assume no. man i want that you get your old speed back since i want to leech music and you ukies are my number one dealer with iut

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 04:49 PM
gamers agaisnt BT.

they should vote with their feet

I only stick with Bt because there's fcuk all else in my area :|

Bot_40
7th Nov 2001, 04:55 PM
I was with BT anytime on my 56K about 8 months ago. It was great until about 1 month ago when It just stopped letting me connect at all. If I could connect at all then I would get disconnected after about 5 mins.
I'm with Freeserve anytime at the moment which is much better...for now:)
I was looking into broadband, NTL seemed like the best option but it's not available here :rolleyes:
I don't think my parents would pay for broadband anyways and I certainly don't have the cash to afford it :(

MrFawn
7th Nov 2001, 06:49 PM
*spam*

delete this post

MrFawn
7th Nov 2001, 06:50 PM
I miss the moments with akuma in CS TO and UT :/
akuma always ran behind me, hoping to get some free kills :p



someone should blow the BT HQ to hell

@kuma
7th Nov 2001, 07:02 PM
fawn had the best aimbot EVER

fancy some TO later tonite fawneh?

Frostblood
8th Nov 2001, 02:12 AM
I think i'll try for NTL...we have cable in our area and they're very fast, and cheap if you have phone with them, so It's a good choice. There are also many sateillite options, but they are only fast on the download.

MrFawn
8th Nov 2001, 09:38 AM
what about tonite? :)

Ulukai
8th Nov 2001, 09:47 AM
I hear good things about the blueyonder (www.blueyonder.co.uk) cable internet service, if you're in a coverage area.

Of course, I live in a non-cabled area, and over 7k from the nearest exchange which I think still works on steam power anyway, so I'm ****ed :)