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QAPete
3rd Nov 2001, 07:44 AM
Just to make sure people understand what's REALLY going down with Nali City, let me give you a better sequence of events:

July - QAPete quits PU as Site Director, details can be found in a thread over at PlanetCrap (http://www.planetcrap.com) (you do the work and search for it, if you like)

August - plans start for the creation of BeyondUnreal, a community-run Unreal-engine site.

September - GameSpy puts up ForumPlanet-based test forums for PlanetUnreal, exposing their plans to move the forums and forum community to their proprietary software.

October - BeyondUnreal moves their copy of vBulletin, including copying their database info, to this server. Immediately thereafter, not only are BU admin accounts to PU disabled, many hosted sites find themselves without access to PU, including the Nali City admins, who had nothing at all to do with the forum move.

Also in October, GSI makes the decision that they wouldlike to cut ties immediately with me and the BU admins, including Nali City. Over time, other PU hosted sites get their access back. GSI provides us with a backup of all Nali City files.

November - GSI states that they'd like to drop Nali City as of Friday, November 2nd. BU and NC admins work feverishly to get the BU version of Nali City ready, even if it's just a static site with a functional search engine, news engine and downloads that still point to FilePlanet, so that the Unreal-engine community can have uninterrupted access to the world's most complete collection of Unreal and UT maps.

Also in November, GSI states that they cannot continue to host the Nali City files in their current location. I implore them to keep the files online and available, even with new download locations, stating that we can modify our database to point to new locations in a very short amount of time. GSI replies that they'll look into it. I also ask about working out a 'push mirroring' methodology of some sort. GSI suggests that we use the FilePlanet submission page. This, of course, is not practical, as we get too many files sent to Nali City. I ask again for them to look into it. No reply as of yet.

That's where we are today, November 3, 2001. If GSI will either leave the files where they are or provide us with a new linking method, we'll be able to provide you with the existing database of files. If they are willing to work with us to provide a mirroring system that's practical, we'll be able to grow the site again (we have like 175 maps in queue that aren't posted yet). In any event, we have plans for our own mirroring system, and will have that in place before too long.

It's important for everyone to understand a couple of points:

1) GSI is terminating Nali City on PU, not me.
2) The decision on whether or not the PU Nali City maps folders are maintained and/or added to is completely up to GSI.
3) BeyondUnreal will have our own file mirroring/download system in place at some point. This system may or may not include FilePlanet, depending on whether GSI is willing to work with us or not.
4) I am 100% committed to Nali City's success, regardless of what GSI decides to do.


Pete
-BeyondUnreal Rebel Leader

Evil_Cope
3rd Nov 2001, 08:56 AM
all the new stuff rocks. im sure when the oldies have done complaining we will be quite happy on this shiny new forum, and if we can get away from filef*cker then you wont have many complaints :)

Ulukai
3rd Nov 2001, 09:12 AM
I always did want to be in the rebel Alliance.

It had nothing to do with Princess Leia, of course. Oh no ;)

Hourences
3rd Nov 2001, 11:00 AM
simple

NC & BU 0wnz

.

Luggage
3rd Nov 2001, 01:28 PM
Well, I'm not unhappy NC moves away from PU... After all they didn't want to host my homepage (www.unrealism.com/luggage)! And since I got it hosted at Unrealism one week ago, I've already had about 650 hits. Grrrrr...
Anyways I'm sorry for you about all the work on top of creating NC3 - but I guess the community will gladly wait, even if it takes a month or more to get the whole stuff finished. We're with you! At least, I am. NC has always been the heart of the community, and will stay so whatever server it's on!

Greetings from Luggage and Hail to the community! Keep up the good work!

TheRealFluffy
3rd Nov 2001, 01:35 PM
So, if I understand, PU didn't like you started a new community and as punishment they dropped NaliCity???

Deathwing
3rd Nov 2001, 02:08 PM
I'm not totally clear either on why GSI decided it didn't want NC anymore.....

Balton
3rd Nov 2001, 02:08 PM
one question,

how is BU fonded? not from some ads?

The Dopefish
3rd Nov 2001, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by DigitalisAura
one question,

how is BU fonded? not from some ads?

I'm sure you mean funded. :)

Pete and some others are chipping in out of personal funds. The ads...if you get something from the sites the ads advertise, Pete gets bling bling to fund the site. So, buy that RAM, people! ;)

Nachimir
3rd Nov 2001, 03:00 PM
<Excuse me sir, he said, raising his hand>

Is it basically the case that Nalicity is being punished for involvement with BU?

The Dopefish
3rd Nov 2001, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Nachimir
<Excuse me sir, he said, raising his hand>

Is it basically the case that Nalicity is being punished for involvement with BU?

More or less, yes. Many of the admins of NC were loyal to the cause of the PuF community, and, obviously, some had ties to Pete from his days as NC and PU admin. GSI appears to be firebombing PU to hell now.

Luggage
3rd Nov 2001, 03:12 PM
Well, why would there be a forwarding service for www.planetunreal.com/nalicity then? Seems unconvincing...

Balton
3rd Nov 2001, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by The Dopefish


I'm sure you mean funded. :)

Pete and some others are chipping in out of personal funds. The ads...if you get something from the sites the ads advertise, Pete gets bling bling to fund the site. So, buy that RAM, people! ;)

well, funded yes. thats what i wanted to know...

hackr86
3rd Nov 2001, 06:11 PM
Dang, I lost all my posts...all 400 of 'em ;)

This is a surprise, perhaps I shouldn't fark up my computer's RAM THEN i'd find this stuff out :)

I'm at my girlfriend's place right now on one of her comps (she has a network! damn her! ;)), and I just upgraded my RAM to 512 infinity best shizzle! w0rd!!!!!

w0rd up to BU, BuF, NC and everyone! Rock on!

Balton
3rd Nov 2001, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by hackr86
Dang, I lost all my posts...all 400 of 'em ;)

This is a surprise, perhaps I shouldn't fark up my computer's RAM THEN i'd find this stuff out :)

I'm at my girlfriend's place right now on one of her comps (she has a network! damn her! ;)), and I just upgraded my RAM to 512 infinity best shizzle! w0rd!!!!!

w0rd up to BU, BuF, NC and everyone! Rock on!

welcome sir canadian! I will add you to my buddies (now thats sounds ghey)

Yoda
3rd Nov 2001, 07:49 PM
I hope everyone likes the shiny new ultra-fast PHP map search. :D

DRT-Maverick
3rd Nov 2001, 08:03 PM
Gamespy is ****ed and needs to get a new brain.

BangOut_[EH]
3rd Nov 2001, 08:33 PM
Oh yay more anti-GSI nonsense.

The move went nice and smooth. Especially the forums... but getting our posts back will be joyous as well :P

diddlysquat
3rd Nov 2001, 09:15 PM
In times of change and worry,
when we think none give a damn.
It gives such a joyus feeling,
knowning there is always Spam

Prophetus
3rd Nov 2001, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by BangOut_[EH]
Oh yay more anti-GSI nonsense.

The move went nice and smooth. Especially the forums... but getting our posts back will be joyous as well :P

He's talking about GSI deleting all of the NC maps on their FTP servers, without prior warning. I think that is a valid reason to bash GSI...don't you? Or do you feel GSI is right to delete thousands of custom maps?

Luckily, QAPete and the NC crew had some foresight and backed up the data. How much they saved, I'm not sure. GSI pretty much cleaned out the mapping history of Unreal and UT...

Yoda
3rd Nov 2001, 11:06 PM
Oh we got all of it, be sure of that :cool:

Nachimir
4th Nov 2001, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by The Dopefish

GSI appears to be firebombing PU to hell now.

I can't believe how good a job's been done in the face of this, BU forums are dandy, Nalicity appears to live.

One more query:
Where do GSI stop? Are other hosted sites going to be taken down or meddled with for not exhibiting enough corporate branding?

The Dopefish
4th Nov 2001, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Nachimir
One more query:
Where do GSI stop? Are other hosted sites going to be taken down or meddled with for not exhibiting enough corporate branding?

My 2 cents on that are towards the thought that many hosted sites which hold strong ties to the community will ask Pete if they can come on over - obviously GSI won't like that.

Zlal
4th Nov 2001, 09:33 AM
I can't find NaliCity
Also I don't understand - Has Nali City just been wiped from PU?
It's all so confusing, and it has to happen now, when we are soon to get NaliCity3. Gamespy can **** off to! Everything was going smooth.:mad: :mad: :morety:

The Dopefish
4th Nov 2001, 09:37 AM
Nali City (http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com) has been deleted by GSI, and now the address to it @ PU.com links to BU.com.

BangOut_[EH]
4th Nov 2001, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Prophetus
Luckily, QAPete and the NC crew

Ahem, yes, I knew that... sometimes people forget I am the FTP map bitch here :P

When do I get my admin status back anyway? :D

TaoPaiPai
4th Nov 2001, 02:24 PM
Is it not possible that PU could try and make a competitor site to NC with the Hosted files that they could decide not to delete after all ?

Luggage
4th Nov 2001, 04:36 PM
Nali City has been deleted by GSI, and now the address to it @ PU.com links to BU.com.

I *still* don't understand that. Why would they do so if they attempt to banish NaliCity? Or is it that such questions are politely ignored?

Deathwing
4th Nov 2001, 08:54 PM
They were maybe just trying to prevent loads of spam in the forums notifying everybody of the move.

Prophetus
5th Nov 2001, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Luggage


I *still* don't understand that. Why would they do so if they attempt to banish NaliCity? Or is it that such questions are politely ignored?

Simply because we still have FRIENDS over there who isn't buying the SUPPORT GSI ONLY CRAP!

GSI is comprised of people. People we made friends with. Although SOME people deleted the files, they were not the same people who work at PU. Understand...geez...

Nachimir
5th Nov 2001, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by Luggage


I *still* don't understand that. Why would they do so if they attempt to banish NaliCity? Or is it that such questions are politely ignored?

Well, it's obviously a HYOWGE conspiracy, spawned by everyone, directed against you Luggage :P

It revolves around... postcounts.

We're all after you. You'd better strip down to your vest and pants and start running.

Luggage
5th Nov 2001, 09:32 AM
*lol*
I sure start to believe that! Btw, has anyone seen my panties?

Balton
5th Nov 2001, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Luggage
*lol*
I sure start to believe that! Btw, has anyone seen my panties?
around your waist? or maybe in your ähm.... kleiderschrank!

UnrealGrrl
5th Nov 2001, 01:39 PM
this really really really stinks! :(

best of luck getting it back together and better than ever!

hal
10th Nov 2001, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by BangOut_[EH]


Ahem, yes, I knew that... sometimes people forget I am the FTP map bitch here :P

When do I get my admin status back anyway? :D

You're all set, BangOut.

BangOut
10th Nov 2001, 08:37 PM
AYE MATEY!!! thank you!

UnrealGrrl
11th Nov 2001, 01:13 AM
smells like maps ;) :tup:

BangOut
11th Nov 2001, 01:15 AM
smells like pr0n ;)

GoldenMouse
15th Nov 2001, 04:12 PM
What is the timetable looking like now for the ressucitation of NC? I know absolute answers are impossible to give, but any rough estimates?

:stick:

BangOut
15th Nov 2001, 04:48 PM
soon :D

JTRipper
15th Nov 2001, 05:56 PM
Bangout, you're a wiseass. Let me see if I can get a better answer....

Hmm. "Reply hazy. Ask again later".

Guess not.

BangOut
15th Nov 2001, 07:12 PM
Ok... uh... before Christmas

GoldenMouse
15th Nov 2001, 08:07 PM
That's a little better, I guess.

JTRipper
15th Nov 2001, 10:48 PM
Hook, line, and sinker, eh? He didn't mention which Christmas. ;)

GoldenMouse
16th Nov 2001, 03:16 PM
That's right. But honestly, will it be a matter of hours, days or weeks?

BangOut
16th Nov 2001, 03:23 PM
Well, all three.

1 day = 24 hrs.
1 week = 7 days

So, if it's X hours from now, you could also say X/24 days or x/24/7 weeks.

GoldenMouse
16th Nov 2001, 05:42 PM
You are a sick, sick guy, Bangout

:stick:

|CrimE|Cirris
26th Nov 2001, 10:39 AM
So What your saying is. GSI management are all a bunch of Flaming S.O.B.s :mad: :stick:

Hourences
26th Nov 2001, 11:31 AM
im blinded by your colours...

Ulukai
26th Nov 2001, 01:09 PM
Yes, very tasteful colour selection, "tart's boudoir" springs to mind

JTRipper
26th Nov 2001, 04:21 PM
I can almost smell the cheap perfume

Nachimir
26th Nov 2001, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by JTRipper
It puts the lotion on it's skin, or else it gets the hose again.

Does that cost extra?

Rukee
26th Nov 2001, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by JTRipper
I can almost smell the cheap perfume
I CAN smell cheap perfume!

JTRipper
27th Nov 2001, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Nachimir
Does that cost extra?

Not if you have a coupon.

Nachimir
27th Nov 2001, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by JTRipper


Not if you have a coupon.

What about a coupon for a coffee enema? No, wait. This could go on forever.

"You win".