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Master_Blaster[MASTER
17th Sep 2001, 01:20 PM
I have read something about a alpha version of U2 is this a demo or am i mistaken??? If so could i have a link to Dl pls.
Thanks.

Tetris L
17th Sep 2001, 01:34 PM
Read the Announcement (http://forums.planetunreal.com/announcement.php?s=&forumid=16).

Master_Blaster[MASTER
17th Sep 2001, 01:50 PM
Ahhhhh now i know why i couldn't find any links. Thanks for informing me about that.

iridium
18th Sep 2001, 01:38 AM
Understand this, it is NOT a demo, it is stolen property

phillys
18th Sep 2001, 02:02 AM
Did anyone tell you that I am an Anti-StolenU2 group organiser?

Tetris L
18th Sep 2001, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by Psychotic_Fighta
Did anyone tell you that I am an Anti-StolenU2 group organiser?
:con: ?

RaptoR
18th Sep 2001, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Psychotic_Fighta
Did anyone tell you that I am an Anti-StolenU2 group organiser? :rolleyes: :B

Master_Blaster[MASTER
18th Sep 2001, 03:28 PM
What is an anti-stolenu2 group organiser?? :confused:

Tetris L
18th Sep 2001, 03:35 PM
Hey, I'm an anit anti-stolenu2-group-organiser group organizer. Anybody wanna join? :D ;)

RaptoR
18th Sep 2001, 03:43 PM
i am also teh antistolenunr2 :p ;)

Kail
1st Oct 2001, 03:54 AM
If I wanted the alpha, I could get it very easily but I won't spoil the future experience by playing a lousy pre alpha release. I will play the real game when it's released, in the box!

LeonTheProfi
1st Oct 2001, 03:42 PM
Hi all !

Well, I really canīt understand u all !
Why donīt try the alpha ?
Do you also donīt play any demos or tests ?
Just remember the multyplayer test of serious sam !
It also wasnīt any demo or something, but it showed the actually stand of the development !
Okay, itīs stolen, but whereīs the different between I play it on the E3 or at home ?
Most of us (me included) canīt visit the E3 and also many of the visitors of the E3 couldnīt try it because the traffic !
So I try it at home like I watch a film.

But, the one thing U ALL SHOULD REMEMBER :

EVERYONE who decided to download 560 MB also WILL BUY the game when itīs released !

Cy@

Leon

hal
1st Oct 2001, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by LeonTheProfi
Hi all !

Well, I really canīt understand u all !
Why donīt try the alpha ?
Do you also donīt play any demos or tests ?
Just remember the multyplayer test of serious sam !
It also wasnīt any demo or something, but it showed the actually stand of the development !
Okay, itīs stolen, but whereīs the different between I play it on the E3 or at home ?
Most of us (me included) canīt visit the E3 and also many of the visitors of the E3 couldnīt try it because the traffic !
So I try it at home like I watch a film.

But, the one thing U ALL SHOULD REMEMBER :

EVERYONE who decided to download 560 MB also WILL BUY the game when itīs released !

Cy@

Leon

I guess it's sort of an ethical dilemna. It's not a demo at all ( as you know ), but stolen property. On one hand, I want to grab it and try it out because I'm dying to get Legend's Unreal2. On the other hand, it's not Unreal2 at all, but a stolen demonstration.

Bottom line is it's stolen, and you won't get it here.

hal
1st Oct 2001, 04:02 PM
did I say "stolen" enough? :D

NeoNite
1st Oct 2001, 04:16 PM
Yeah the good old sam test, released back in what.. june or july 1999.. :)
Kickass :D

One thing I don't like about sam though --- player speed :(
ruins the game

LeonTheProfi
1st Oct 2001, 06:05 PM
I donīt want to get it, I already have and play it !

I donīt understand what u mean with "stolen" ?
Did Epic plan to sell it ? (I mean the alpha version)
No, the only thing was to show the users a small part of the coming game. No more, no less.

U could play (better word would be "try") it on the E3 for free.
So why to hell canīt I play / try it at home ?
If I would get 2 the E3 to see / play my most favorite upcoming game, I had to travel around the half world !!

Like u see, every real Unreal fan would give everything to try this "demo", incl. me !

Believe me... If I could buy a copy of the "demo" I would buy it too !!

Donīt be so agressive only because people are having a look at a early version of their favo. game !
Be honest to yourself : If you are (!) a real Unreal 2 Fan, you would like to get this alpha or just play it yourself for one time !

Fact is :
Epic will not lost any cent because the alpha is released in the web !
They will get more customers as before the alpha, because itīs really impressive and after playing this alpha you just must buy this fantastic game !! You just canīt do other, you must !

So, because I also (since long) decided to buy it, I feel free to test it like I were on the E3. I think this is okay, isnīt it ?

Cy@

Leon

Kail
1st Oct 2001, 06:49 PM
Legend is afraid that their game will be unfairly judged because of the low quality of this leak.
Personally I don't think the news that a pre-alpha was leaked has lowered my expectations for the game. I think it makes it even more fun reading about the latest achievements by Legend and their staff. They're doing something new and awesome and we know that so why wouldn't we be curious about it, huh?

We are all human, after all.

But a website such as planetunreal.com cannot go against Legend's"official line" in this matter. They would lose support from Legend and Epic, and they wouldn't get any sneak peek stuff to share with us fans which would, eventually, kick back right back at ourselves!

But don't fight those who want the alpha, I can fully understand them, I just think the PU admins are doing the right thing under the current circumstances.

Zaccix
1st Oct 2001, 06:50 PM
The alpha was shown behind closed doors to only a few people at E3. Not everyone could see it.

Anyway, I'm sure that anyone who was gonna buy U2 would want to buy it even more after seeing the alpha. That's not the point, though.

Say, for example, the alpha has a really good feature that Legend was keeping secret until the full game, or at least the demo, came out. Now that the alpha is leaked, another company could get it from somewhere, steal the idea and say "what alpha? We had this in our game all along!" It makes Legend look like copycats when it was their idea in the first place!

According to Grant Roberts, the alpha was designed to show off head and eye tracking. If you've seen the alpha, and consequently see that technology in another game released in the next 6-12 months, don't be surprised when 2+2 suddenly equals 4. The same could be said of the art style too.

Two things are bugging me, though. Firstly, who the hell leaked this in the first place? (They probably won't own up, because their job would be at risk).

Secondly, all these warez sites thinking they're all that because they can claim "we have the leaked Unreal 2 alpha!" under all those popups and fake links. I hope Legend systematically shuts each of them down for good.

_Zd_JOLT1r_
2nd Oct 2001, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by hal
did I say "stolen" enough? :D

Hey, I'm an anit anti-stolenu2-group-organiser group organizer.

:lol: :D

Machismo
2nd Oct 2001, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by LeonTheProfi
Fact is :
Epic will not lost any cent because the alpha is released in the web !
They will get more customers as before the alpha, because itīs really impressive and after playing this alpha you just must buy this fantastic game !! You just canīt do other, you must !



First I didnt play and dont want to play the alpha. But I did look at the screenshots - I couldnt resist :hmm:

Epic is not losing any thing in terms of monetary benefit. Kail Legend is afraid that their game will be unfairly judged because of the low quality of this leak.


Exactly !!!. And I was one of them :(. after seeing the screenshots I went around saying that the aida screenies looked really bad. This was without realising that they were in fact just place holders, and not even how the final skin would look like.

The point of the matter is Kevin "rorasch" a Legend artist posted that the people (artists mainly ) were feeling discouraged by the comments that some people were putting out on the net. EVEN with all the good comments coming in :(

Prophetus
2nd Oct 2001, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by LeonTheProfi
I donīt want to get it, I already have and play it !

I donīt understand what u mean with "stolen" ?
Did Epic plan to sell it ? (I mean the alpha version)
No, the only thing was to show the users a small part of the coming game. No more, no less.

U could play (better word would be "try") it on the E3 for free.
So why to hell canīt I play / try it at home ?
If I would get 2 the E3 to see / play my most favorite upcoming game, I had to travel around the half world !!

That's about the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. So, if you let me borrow your TV and I gave parts of it away, you would claim I stole your TV. Did you plan to make money from your TV? Did you plan to sell it? NO. You allowed me to use it. But I took it and gave it to other people. That's stealing.

Stolen property does not have to make profit. It's considered stolen because the pre-alpha was given in trust for testing purposes. The individual (s) gave that product away to others, without permission. Just because they displayed the pre-alpha at E3 doesn't change the fact it's private property.

Geez, if you displayed your customized computer at a LAN, does that automatically make it a public and free computer...???? Sure, computers and code are two seperate things, but they are still personal property.

What you people fail to realize is this very situation convinces most developers to not trust the public. Back in the day, normal people were given pre-alphas to test. But because idiots would leak the pre-alphas, companies decided to hire in house testers.

Now, the testers are suspects. It's bad enough beta testers are treated like slaves, but to have them suspected of leaking pre-alphas...geez...no wonder we get buggy products.

This isn't about bad publicity, it's about Legend and Epic's opinion of grass roots policies. There isn't manydevelopers who would speak to their fans, outside an interview. Keep biting them in the @ss and they'll change their policy. People who stole, downloaded and gave away the pre-alpha are selfish inconsiderate morons.

Yeah, you got to play your favorite game, but the real fans will pay the price.

Tetris L
2nd Oct 2001, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by LeonTheProfi
U could play (better word would be "try") it on the E3 for free.
So why to hell canīt I play / try it at home ?
If I would get 2 the E3 to see / play my most favorite upcoming game, I had to travel around the half world !!
Let's get that straight, cos this is complete BS. You could not simply play or try U2 at the E3! Legend gave a presentation behind closed doors to a very limited group of chosen representatives from gaming websites and magazines. None of them ever touched the mouse. Epic had full control and showed them only specific things they wanted to show; and that's what this built was made for. Not for everybody to explore whatever he wants.


Epic will not lost any cent because the alpha is released in the web! They will get more customers as before the alpha, because itīs really impressive and after playing this alpha you just must buy this fantastic game !!
Here I tend to agree with you and that's why I got a little problem with the way Legend handeled the situation. They did not manage to convince me that this leak has done big harm to neither to the reputation of the game nor to the potential sales numbers. Thus I won't join the witchhunting that's going on now. I don't blame any Unreal fan that distributed the thing. I admit I have it myself and I don't feel guilty about it. (It doesn't run on my current machine, but I've got it burned on CD for the time I update my hardware.)

Originally posted by Prophetus
What you people fail to realize is this very situation convinces most developers to not trust the public. Back in the day, normal people were given pre-alphas to test. But because idiots would leak the pre-alphas, companies decided to hire in house testers.
Errrm ... the built that was leaked was not a built made for testing. It doesn't look like it was one of their testers who has leaked it. It looks more like somebody forgot that E3 presentation built on some harddrive or forgot to delete a mirror backup ghost. Maybe even during E3.

LeonTheProfi
2nd Oct 2001, 06:28 PM
@ Prophetus:

U must remeber one different :

If u stolen my TV, I donīt have my TV anymore.
But the Alpha version was only COPIED, so Epic didnīt lost it !!
The only different now is, that we can try it ourself now and have a look at the actually stand of development.
So, whatīs wrong of it ?
Well, u canīt play it multiplayer or singleplayer. But just that one thing, that u can move around yourself and donīt have to look a "stupid" video is really fantastic !
Stolen or not, I saw it and I have to say one thing :

ITīS FANTASTIC !!!

Go on Epic ! U will do the best game ever came out !!!

Cy@

Leon
Leon

Zaccix
2nd Oct 2001, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by -The-Tetris-L-
Here I tend to agree with you and that's why I got a little problem with the way Legend handeled the situation. They did not manage to convince me that this leak has done big harm to neither to the reputation of the game nor to the potential sales numbers. Thus I won't join the witchhunting that's going on now. I don't blame any Unreal fan that distributed the thing. I admit I have it myself and I don't feel guilty about it. (It doesn't run on my current machine, but I've got it burned on CD for the time I update my hardware.)
There's a simple truth that runs through all the arguments and theories about the U2 alpha: anyone who has it outside of Legend is in possession of stolen property. You can try to justify it a million and one ways, but that basic truth holds true through all of it.

Legend don't need to do anything more than simply to continue working on U2. People have seen the alpha and have made assumptions on the full game based on it. The alpha has provided a way for many people to suddenly feel big and say "hey, I've got something way ahead of everyone else!"

Just to go off on a tangent here, this all kinda reminds me of the time before the Duke Nukem Forever E3 trailer came out. People were questioning whether the game was even in development and making all kinds of half-assed comments about the way that 3D Realms had imposed a media blackout on the game. The gaming sites needed something to encourage people to bring in more hits, the journos needed something to brag about and the pundits needed something to dissect and argue over while they sat at their computers all day.

3D Realms said that they wanted to bring back that old-school feeling of waiting for a game to come out, then eagerly bringing it home and playing it without practically knowing all about it through media previews and reviews. I kinda sympathised with that, because I remember buying and bringing home Amiga games and getting my first true taste of them from actually playing the finished article, not having practically played the entire game through a magazine.

Yeah, I'll report news on U2 as it comes in, but legit news. I'm sure that Aida's head tracking is awesome, but I'll find that out through playing the full game, or the demo, next year, not a 10% complete alpha build.

Tetris L
2nd Oct 2001, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Zaccix
There's a simple truth [...] the U2 alpha: anyone who has it outside of Legend is in possession of stolen property.
Certainly strictly reading the law that is true. But like I said: Legend didn't convince me that I do any harm to them or the game when I look at it, thus I don't feel guilty doing it. I'm not actively distributing the alpha and there is no info from it in the FAQ. But I did my best to get the alpha and screenshots from it, for my personal pleasure.

... but I'll find that out through playing the full game, or the demo, next year, not a 10% complete alpha build.
I respect and congratulate anybody with that attitude. But I don't condamn those who can't resist the temptation, like me. Legend say that the alpha will give me a wrong and incomplete impression of the full game and will spoil the surprise for me. Well, that's MY problem then and I can assure them: I can handle that.

Prophetus
3rd Oct 2001, 10:36 AM
Errrm ... the built that was leaked was not a built made for testing. It doesn't look like it was one of their testers who has leaked it. It looks more like somebody forgot that E3 presentation built on some harddrive or forgot to delete a mirror backup ghost. Maybe even during E3

Tetris, the build was being tested, as with any alpha and beta. My point was, that even if none of the testers released the pre-alpha, they are suspects. Testers get treated badly (generally speaking), the last thing they need is the stress of being suspected of stealing.

*NOTE: Below is a rant. I use the pronoun "You" alot. This is not directed at any particular person. Instead, it's used in the plural sense*

I don't hate or dislike anyone who downloaded the stolen product. On a personal level, this is more about your morals and beliefs.

On a moral level, Legend doesn't have to prove they were damaged by the mass distribution of the stolen product. The fact remains, they entrusted someone with access to the pre-alpha and it was released to the public. A day after the release, people knew it was a stolen product, yet continued to download the pre-alpha.

No matter how anyone tries to justify it, they contributed to a thief's subconcious desire to receive "Cool Points". As a by-product, Legend's, nay, every developer's opinion about the fans deminished. Yes, they will still make games, but this time...strictly for profit.

Gamers are constantly crying about CD Keys, bad copy protection schemes and so on and so on. Well, it's this exact situation that forces developers to use such protection. Everyone biatchs and moans when they do use it, but turn around and download pirated copies or stolen alphas. Don't even try to say "We download pirated copies because games cost so much" or "we wouldn't have to download pirated copies if the copy protection was stable", because that is sooo weak. You receive demos at the proper time. Save your money if you really like the game. Game companies have to raise prices or use funky protection because somewhere in the past, people ripped them off.

Now, we have Epic, Digital Extremes, ID, Legend and many more who actually communicate with their fans and even release "No-CD patches". How does the loving and grateful fans repay them? By participating in the distrubution of stolen property. Yes, even if you only downloaded it for personal pleasure, you contributed. Check the law. If you knowingly purchase or accept stolen property, you are just as guilty.

Legally, Legend can sue the people involved with the illegal distribution of the pre-alpha. Hell, if they really wanted to push the envelope, they can sue everyone who downloaded the stolen alpha (not that they will, but they legally can and would win).

Legend doesn't have to prove monetary loss. All they have to do is prove their intellectual property was stolen and illegally distributed. LeonTheProfi, you fail to realize that winning a lawsuit does not revolve around "How much money was lost". Any present or future damages received by this illegal distribution of the pre-alpha can be used in court to prove their case.

Here is something for you "Fans" to think about. One day after the official release of Unreal Tournament, a crack was made. Now, pirates have the Unreal 2 code and are cracking away. If you see cheats, new aimbots, cracks, or other malicious activities, you can thank those who stolen the pre-alpha. Don't be surprised if Unreal 2's current release date is scrapped.

Again, I'm not upset at anyone here. Instead, some of us are "extremely" pissed at the moralization of this situation. There isn't one person here, who has any honor, that wouldn't be upset if someone took their hard work and released it prematurely.

If any of you map, mod, code, draw, or make any product (full or partial) then you would be just as upset. If you wrote a story and gave it to me to proof-read and I released it to the public, you would be pissed. If you made a mod or map, showed it to me and I took it and released it, you would be pissed. Yet, because this pre-alpha was not any of your hard work, you think it's ok. If you actually think it's ok, then you never made anything worth having.

We are upset about the hypocrisy and selfish attitudes in the Unreal community. The short sightedness of some people ruin the future for the rest of us. So you downloaded and played the game, fine. But don't come in here and expect us to understand your heartfelt desire to see the game. The plain and simple truth of the matter is, you wanted to play the game. You didn't care about the circumstances involved. You cover your eyes to the fact pirates and hackers will rip that code apart. It really doesn't matter if YOU aren't distributing the pre-alpha, ripping the code, or creating malicious logic, you participated in the crime of stealing someone's personal property.

I'm not trying to make anyone feel guilty. All I'm saying is that we need to respect other people's work. If you don't want people stealing your stuff, then don't steal from them. Stealing is stealing. The object of desire may be look or function differently, but if it's not yours, by purchase or bonifide release, then you have no right to have it.

Tetris L
3rd Oct 2001, 02:08 PM
Proph:

Point taken. I agree with some of what your wrote. But one thing is not fair: To treat this case like normal warez. I know lots of people who have downloaded this thing who would normally never warez a game and I'm sure all of these will gladly pay the full price for the full game once it's out. That's opposed to other people I know who rarely ever buy a game and rather "borrow it from friends". It's strange, most of these seem to be not interested in this leak.

One more thing: Games being leaked is nothing new. This has always happened. UT was leaked. Q3 was leaked. Many other games were leaked. The only thing about the U2 leak is that is seems to spread a lot faster. I blame that mostly on the fact that a lot more people have broadband today, together with the fact that Infogrames was so tight-lipped about the game before, so that everybody was desperately itching for info.

Prophetus
3rd Oct 2001, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by -The-Tetris-L-
...The only thing about the U2 leak is that is seems to spread a lot faster. I blame that mostly on the fact that a lot more people have broadband today, together with the fact that Infogrames was so tight-lipped about the game before, so that everybody was desperately itching for info.

I agree with that. Everyone has been begging for more info, but the media blackout to online news sites prevented total coverage. That wasn't Legend or Epic's decision. Infogrames contolled Legend's media exposure. Infogrames has their reasons, they were bitten in the butt a few times before too.:)

gwalahad
6th Oct 2001, 01:33 PM
i olso have it(got it before the announcement):cool:

but i can't get it to run,so it's of no use to me:(

LeonTheProfi
6th Oct 2001, 01:45 PM
Everyone who has trouble to run the Alpha should contact me or goto my (german !!) homepage.

Cy@

Leon

Cyberian_2K
7th Oct 2001, 03:17 PM
I personally didn't play the alpha, but I did see some screenshots of the leaked build. The flamethrower looks rad.

CWM Hexum
8th Oct 2001, 04:16 PM
All I know is leon is a Dumbass.:B

@kuma
10th Oct 2001, 06:16 AM
Certainly seems that way, doesn't it.

Delacroix
1st Mar 2006, 06:58 AM
It's been a few years and I still have it. I fell in love with Aida so I bought the final version just for her... I know: everyone downloading alpha/beta leaks is considered a thief - but I don't give a sh*t. I still take a walk on the E3 levels from time to time. Now, why this is thievery:

- it was NEW technology back then - Unreal Warfare was a secret of Epic & Legend
- it included a 90& complete texture set for the game

Because of these two reasons both companies went furious. Lots of people had a chance to steal parts of the technology & graphics - we'll never find out if anyone did. That's why beta leaks are illegal.

As for the compatibility question - the alpha and the editor run bad in Win98/ME systems. Stick to 2000 and XP - UnrealEd.exe and Unreal.exe had a leftover bug from certain Ued2.0 builds - a problem with Win9xME systems.

GotBeer?
1st Mar 2006, 12:19 PM
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/138/bwd0eh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Arise chicken. Arise.

Delacroix
1st Mar 2006, 12:27 PM
[me arises from the grave as zombie chicken]
Brrraaaainnnnsssss... brrrraaaaiinnnnsss....

[me walks up to GotBeer?]
[me takes a bite of GotBeer?'s brain]

cough, cough... blurrrgh... yuck! Bad brain! Bad, bad, bad brain!

Pinkey
1st Mar 2006, 04:17 PM
I'm ****ing lost. Alpha U2? Early version of U2??

Delacroix
1st Mar 2006, 04:57 PM
Yes. Very early. Got leaked in - if I remember correctly - may or june 2001. Specifications:

Version: 697
Maps: 10
Weapons: 60%, some did not have alt-fire
AI: nearly null, except for the E3Hall_New2 & Eden_E3 maps.
Music: none
Textures: nearly 90% done, less detailed than the final product (surprised?!)
Trivia:

- doesn't work properly on Win9X/ME
- contains Unreal Editor version 2.6
- contains parts of XBOX code later to be found in Unreal Championship
- you can see the Skaarj model on Skaarj_Duck.un2.
- 1150 MB unpacked - packed size depends on archive format and properties. ranges from 425-600 MB packed.
- E3 demo version shown behind locked doors - none besides the Epic & Legend staff ever touched the mouse, some guys from selected computer mags saw the demo in it's full feature.

In terms of assets & quality, this release is a tech demo for Unreal Engine 2, just as the Unreal 1995 demo was the tech demo for Unreal Engine 1. It disappeared from the net and p2p soon after the release of the retail version of the game. I still have it, though.

}Bb{Kirby
1st Mar 2006, 10:23 PM
Why did you bump this thread?

Delacroix
2nd Mar 2006, 01:01 AM
And why does that make a difference to you? If i believe I have some valuable information to share in a thread, I'll post it even if the thread is 5 years old. And IF you don't like it, I believe you can skip reading this thread, and read the next one. Period.

Jackal
2nd Mar 2006, 04:26 AM
If it's illegal, why are you posting it around in this thread?

Delacroix
2nd Mar 2006, 06:37 AM
Unreal (1995) and (1997-8) demos are also technically illegal, as is UT Beta (April 1999). However, the final products are already published. No harm is done, if I share some information concerning these leaks, right? If I'm wrong, someone lock this thread. If not, please do the following:

- read the info I provide, if you like.
- ignore the info I provide, if you don't like threads like this.

Whitey
2nd Mar 2006, 03:09 PM
Doesn't mean it was worth a bump...

Delacroix
2nd Mar 2006, 03:16 PM
As this thread still is unlocked I assume I'm right. This leads to:

Pinkey, Jackal - read all the way you want. Just for fun. :D
Kirby, Whitey - just ignore this thread. :/

Jackal
2nd Mar 2006, 08:34 PM
No, it means that I haven't had time to read anything today as I've been at work for the past 13 hours. If I see that this is a illegal issue, the thread will disapear.

GotBeer?
3rd Mar 2006, 08:37 AM
Jackal wants to pinch.

[pet]sparrow
3rd Mar 2006, 10:29 AM
Unreal (1995) and (1997-8) demos are also technically illegal, as is UT Beta (April 1999). However, the final products are already published. No harm is done, if I share some information concerning these leaks, right?

Hey guys, I just downloaded a pirated copy of a movie that was recently released. However, it was filmed at an early screening, and some of the special effects weren't added in... So it's not illegal, right? Cool, then let me promote it.

Whitey
3rd Mar 2006, 12:23 PM
Ignores the thread...
But it still annoys me....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bigchallenge/images/keys.jpg

Delacroix
3rd Mar 2006, 12:52 PM
tell ya what, Jackal. If there were any links to the alpha in this thread, or if there were any requests concerning the alpha, it would be illegal.

Whitey
3rd Mar 2006, 01:03 PM
Noone cares if its illegal... Its just a waste of a bump. If you're going to bump something why not something worthwhile and entertaining?
Much Better! (http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=150363)

}Bb{Kirby
3rd Mar 2006, 06:45 PM
Delacroix just play U2:XMP v7710 and forget about the illegal alpha plzkthx.

Jackal
3rd Mar 2006, 09:13 PM
Delacroix just play U2:XMP v7710 and forget about the illegal alpha plzkthx.


I pinch