Holy Water

[Snowyoda]

Ok, I have a problem with my water. Here's the Scenario. There's a beach with a boat out in the water. The shoreline water is fine, and if I'm on the bottom of the lake then the water is fine, but once I get 1/2 out to my boat and I'm 1/2 up from the bottom of the lake my guy dies and it says ".......Left a small crater" Why is that doing that in the middle of my water?

[Luminuis]

full rebuild.


Or you may have a BSP hole right there...they're GREAT!....

I suggest that you rebuild everything and then try it.

If not, then there's a BSP hole there.

[ChrisToth.hu]

Check it in the ZP view...move around it for a while and look from various angles. If you see a black hole appearing then there's your problem...

Also check for interfering Semi-Solids and Non-solids. They are often the cause of this kind of problem.

[Snowyoda]

well in front of that area near the boat, on the side of the boat there is this black triangle that I can see right through and it goes out into the black w/blue line space of the UT editor world, and I've done a full rebuild and it still doesn't go away.
Why and how do I get BSP holes and how do I fix?

[CousCous]

Post the map and I'll d/l it and take a look. I'm no ChrisToth but I might be able to figger it out fer ya'.

[The ultimate novice]

Lotsa things cuase BSP holes. Don't nuttin fix 'em though. :p


Try putting a rock in the spot where you die. Try moving the boat a smidge to the side. Or try rebuilding your ENTIRE LEVEL FROM SCRATCH!! MWAA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

<ahem>

Okay, maybe that last part was a little overdone. Just listen to ChisToth.hu.

[Mind Maze]

I have a hole place 8 units lower than the floor and this is pissing me off because it´s hard to get out the water zone.

[Snowyoda]

ok, here's a link to my map:

HolyWater (http://www.geocities.com/gandalf_god/HolyWater.ZIP)

Hope you can help me

[CousCous]

Nope, bad link...took me to some geocities page with nothing going on. Why don't you just zip it and attach the file to your next post if it's not too big?

[Snowyoda]

geocities sucks, linking never works with it, but here's the map so far

[CousCous]

Sweet mother of mercy! That was rough! Took me a while but I finally figured it out. I think your main problem is that boat brush, it's pretty funky. Where'd you import it from? No way you made that in the editor. Anyways, your main problems:

-the top of the boat brush isn't on the grid, so everything you build on it will be slightly off (this is no good for the BSP). For example, the first level you built on the boat was floating about .5 units above the hull (teeny gaps like these can cause big problems).

-You need to deintersect your added solid brushes and intersect your subtracted brushes. This is MAJOR. (Should've come first in the list). Solid brushes that intersect eachother pretty much guarantee trouble. The ramp on the first level above the water in the front of the boat is a prime example of a brush that needs to be deintersected before adding it to the world. And subtracted brushes should be intersected with the added solid you're trying to cut a hole in.

-You can use semi-solid brushes (add special brush button) for decorations like the lightboxes and stuff, this cuts down on node counts and can help with BSP probs.

I only fixed enough things to get rid of the BSP holes, but that boat is fragile, so I wouldn't mess with it too much. You should really check out some more tutorials for the intersect/deintersect and semi-solid issues. I like to go to Bitbasher's page (http://www.unrealcore.com/bitbasher/) for a great collection of tuts. Check it out.

Hope this helped, here's your map.

[Snowyoda]

thanks
I knew there was that tiny space in between the top and the boat and I din't think it would effect anything. As for the boat, because I could not get a good looking boat by myself or when I did the front never looked good, I got the brush from AS-Frigate

[Snowyoda]

why am I downloading a .php file? when I click on it, it opens up in Microsoft Picture It and doesn't open

[CousCous]

Hmmmmm...that's weird. I downloaded it from my post and it worked just fine. Here lemme try it again, maybe I fudged something on the first go around.

[Edit]Yeah, something was screwy, should be fine now tho'