Pre-lim M4 skin... wrong flash hider?

[Edgie]

Someone correct me if i'm off base here, but that looks suspiciously alot like the XM177E2 flash hider.

I've noticed that DF:LW's M4 has the same flash hider, but from owning two airsoft M4A1's and from poking around come.to/ar15...

[ShakKen]

The picture reprisenting the M4 carbine is the wrong model. We've not gotten around to correcting that yet.

Also, the information on the armory page has to be corrected. we will not be using the M4A1, but rather the M4A2(Fixed A2 carry handle and XM177 type handguard), most likely the Bushmaster XM15-E2S full auto variant. Which is most popular as an export weapon.

[Edgie]

Huh.

Not a big fan of the fixed carrying handle myself...

Why not go for the flattop with a flip up rear sight? Either the traditional A2 style or the newer MAD style?

Be nice to see a decked out capable M4A1 in a game for once -- flattop, RAS (or shoot for the possible SIR system instead), KAC foregrip (or the ARMS QD grip), EOTech HDS (or Aimpoint) + NV combo, or ACOG.

:D

Something that just screams SPECOP.

Wishfull thinking, I suppose.

[DEFkon]

oh i'm sure he'll say something like the iron sights on the removeable handle version are less accurate or something similar. :p

[ShakKen]

Vertical foregrip? What's the point? Theres no benefit at all aside from keeping your hand away from a hot handguard(which shouldn't even be hot since the M4A1 is intolerant of sustained fire). Some people say it enhances handling but that of course is rediculous since vertical foregrips more your hands further away from the gun's center of gravity.

The flattop itself is only marginally useful given the frontsight puts a distortion body in the sight picture of whatever optic you mount. That plus the fact that those flimsy flip up sights are simply horrid.

The M4A1 SOPMOD is only in use by US forces. The M4A2 is more common internationally, hence it's the better bet in the long run.

[The_Fur]

the point is you can look like a gangster (in cammies), that is the one and only use :)

You can maw down the enemies while looking really cool... that is untill your gun explodes after half a beta c mag.

[Edgie]

Originally posted by ShakKen
Vertical foregrip? What's the point? Theres no benefit at all aside from keeping your hand away from a hot handguard(which shouldn't even be hot since the M4A1 is intolerant of sustained fire). Some people say it enhances handling but that of course is rediculous since vertical foregrips more your hands further away from the gun's center of gravity.

The flattop itself is only marginally useful given the frontsight puts a distortion body in the sight picture of whatever optic you mount. That plus the fact that those flimsy flip up sights are simply horrid.

The M4A1 SOPMOD is only in use by US forces. The M4A2 is more common internationally, hence it's the better bet in the long run.
Well, I've never had problems with either of my flip-up sights (I have a SWAN #38 sleeve and a GG&G MAD sight), so... :)

Vertical grips: I've yet to hear or read anything negative about them (SOF, LE magazines, LE & military buddies), and I myself find it to be quite helpful with handling. And yes, the M16 series overall, has been plagued with barrel warping (among other things) from extended firing.

Fixed vs flattop: From a aesthetic sense, it would be nice to see a non-fixed handle M16 variant in a game. And of course, there's always the safety issue of carrying a M16 by the handle, but that's irrelevant here.

A flattop receiver offers more "user friendly" options to the shooter, right? Iron sights, reddot, and NV.

[ShakKen]

I've seen people break Multiple Aperture Devices off at the pivot pin, and I've personally had an IRIS sight fall to bits on a friend's ar-15. Which never stayed aligned after a day's worth of PRC anyway.

Vertical grips do not enhance handling. This is a fact. There are only two reasons to add a vertical foregrip to any weapon. Those are a)To distance one's hand from a potentially hot barrel and b) because a horizontal handguard is not feasable, as in the case of weapons like the MP5K, which simply hasn't the room to otherwise get a secure grip without.

Vertical handguard DO adversely effect handling. Mainly as I said before, they raise the center of gravity of the gun off the shooter's hands, which reduces stability. The firing position of the supporting arm is also in a more relaxed, less steady position. You get better rigidity when your wrists are bent and locked.

They also impede positioning when aiming over obstacles and cover, allowing less of the weapon to be supported by the obstacle.

Aside from barrel warping, M4's are known to explode in the shooter's hands=P

We might be including the M4A1 in the future, but that's not priority right now.

Myself, I prefer the external rails mounted on the sturdier and more reliable A1 and A2 carry handles.