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Pope
7th Jun 2001, 05:34 AM
OK, we all know that to get to the top in the ngWorldStats you have to be a both a good player and a stat h0, OR (not necessarily exclusive), you can be a cheater.

Let me give an explanation of what I think stat h0ing means:
stat h0ing (statistics whoring): Any action(s) taken before, during or after a game with the objective of gaining rating points for the ngWorldStats (http://ut.ngworldstats.com) ranking system. These include (but are not limited to):
- At the beginning of the match, checking which opponents are stats registered. During the match minding only these players and making sure that you frag each one of these more than they frag you. Also, any new players entering are also checked for stats registration.
- Leaving a match when things are going bad while it is still early. A very low death score seldomly means a significant loss in rating points.
- Chosing servers were n00bs hang out or, even better, some friends of yours that can play with new nguIDs and happen to keep losing.
- Have your own server with unbelievably weird settings (150% speed, xloc on DM, weird aircontrol etc) which only you can manage.
- Do you homework: keep an update on who is who in the higher ranks. Know your enemy, go after the top players. If you see a top player on a server and you go in with the objective of getting him only, you have a very big advantage.

Now, some of these tactics may sound lame (most of them are), but I would like to stress that they are NOT cheating. It is just the way a person chooses to play.

So, according to the above, this guy (http://ut.ngworldstats.com/fcgi-bin/Display?gt=UT&gm=dm&uid=2817777&page=q&view=p) is most definitely a stat h0. But is he cheating? Or is there not enough evidence in the stats to prove that he uses an aimbot. Have Fun!

Buscemi
7th Jun 2001, 05:51 AM
Well there is for sure something fishy about this guy's efficiency allright.......a lil hi if u ask me........

}OPP{VisciousJay
7th Jun 2001, 08:31 AM
OMG stats are so freakin retarted...its so fckn easy to get to first place...ive done it many times in the past with 2 different names when my favorite server was up...but now that its gone im not 1st any more and i lost the will to play UT.

Tetris L
7th Jun 2001, 09:25 AM
19890 of his 20281 kills with the sniper rifle are headshots. That's 98%.
If he was playing CTF-Face and spawnsniping all the time I'd say that might be possible. But this guy plays DM.

He's clearly an aimbot, if you ask me.

[RSU]Porn_Star|BuF
7th Jun 2001, 10:01 AM
Don't you think it is a little arrogant to call him a aimbot without even seeing him play? Sure it looks too incredible to be true but still...

Tetris L
7th Jun 2001, 10:38 AM
A headshot ratio of 98% (!) is definetly evidence enough for me to call that guy an aimbot!

My clanmate ferral has an absolutley amazing aim. Definetly european top class with the rifle and any hitscan weapon. I know very few who are better. And his headshot ratio is "only" about 50%.

Pope
7th Jun 2001, 10:55 AM
Porn_Star,

First off, it may not have been evident from my first post, but I'm not out to get this guy. I don't look at the stats much anymore so when I happened upon him I found his numbers so weird and just wanted everyone's opinion on it.

I'll tell you why I think he's an aimbot (apart from what cleaner said which is probably the best evidence). I'm quite sure that there have been times when you played and you reached 285 fph (frags per hour). When you get an avgerage of 285 fph at the end of the game though it means that that game was pretty hectic and most probably on a server with alot of people (12+). I'm sure that there are a lot of games for him that are just downright slow (his last one is 45 fph for instance). Imagine how difficult it is to keep up the 285fph pace for 30,000 frags without some kind of help, especially if you take into account that the avg number of players in his games are 8 (which is pretty low).

Think of playing deck, using only the sniper rifle, with 8 opponents and getting a 285 fph score at the end!! OK, you can get much higher fph on a smaller map, say turbine. But can you snipe your way to 285fph in that cramped area?? :)
Weird.

Buscemi
7th Jun 2001, 10:56 AM
If y'r only playing on your own server, with bots at novice or some friends who play siting duck it's possible to get such a hi efficiency too...........but whatever........i think we all agree this d00d ain't playing 100% fair.........

[RSU]Porn_Star|BuF
7th Jun 2001, 11:19 AM
It was not that I disagreed with you gays, and I understood that you was not out to get him Pope, I just felt like things were moving a little fast.
Shouldn't someone track him down and get a demo before he is convicted?

Buscemi
7th Jun 2001, 11:52 AM
[PuF]Porn_Star: It was not that I disagreed with you gays.....

Spelling mistake, right?! :p

[RSU]Porn_Star|BuF
7th Jun 2001, 12:20 PM
Spelling mistake indeed! Sorry guys :D
What ever happened to the spell-check thingy that used to be here? It should be put back because I plan to post on this forum again.

Slick_Willy
7th Jun 2001, 12:34 PM
Okay, first of all efficiency with a weapon has nothing to do with aim or how many shots you miss compared to hits. Look at the ngstats FAQ:

For a Weapon:
Kills with Weapon/(Kills with Weapon + Deaths while holding the Weapon + Suicides with the Weapon)

It has to do with how many times you die compared to how many kills you make. (ie: 100 kills/(100 kills + 5 deaths + 1 Suicide) = a rating of 94.3%

Second, We've had a ThinHoss thread before. I've played him and he does have some crappy tactics. He only plays on his server for one. When he is down in score he goes into admin mode for whatever reason. And if you are better than him 1 on 1 he will ban you. As far as aimbots, i've never seen him use one but he does have an average ping of 71 so he can make some pretty good sniper shots pretty easily

But on a side note, I've been high in the stats before as well. When you are good it isn't hard to get into the top 50 or so. I've even been #1 before but some people seem to play for 20 hours a day so I don't stay in the top 10 very much.

barfretchpuke
7th Jun 2001, 12:36 PM
The people on the cheat forums have been bragging that the top 45 or so players on ngStats are all bot users.

CrazyCougar
7th Jun 2001, 05:01 PM
I hate to say it but I have played this particular player before. I ended up specing 'her'(female skin) during an Arcane Temple match. This player knew that map extremely well(how many people will go to the top of the mountains and grab the sniper ammo?)

Thinhoss is also one of the admins of the Compath T3 servers(there are a few I believe but the only one I can think of atm has a 4 player limit but I remember a much larger one when I spec'd this player). The Compath T3 servers are fairly popular among the low ping crowd too.

Having seen this one play I would hesitate to call them a cheater... without first spec'ing another match.

I_AM{skullface}
7th Jun 2001, 05:43 PM
Heh...

I've just made it my personal mission to find Beeb, and challenge him 1vs1. Not that I'm good, but then at least we can all get a demo and prove your guys right or wrong.

On My Way!! :p

-I_AM{skullface}

Tetris L
7th Jun 2001, 05:52 PM
Again:

He made 24244 kills with the sniper rifle.
He made 23418 headshots.
He has only 171 kills with the ripper, so virtually all those headshots must be sniper headshots.
That's a headshot rate of 23418 / 24244 = 98%.

Gimme a break, guys. That smells MORE than fishy. I bet my left testicle that the guy is a cheater. :mad:

}OPP{VisciousJay
7th Jun 2001, 07:02 PM
HEY SLICK WILLY!

yeah i've noticed you first place on the CTF stats around the same time i was first place on the mod stats...

and i just noticed you created MY FAVORITE MAP...
CTF-The Crossings

YOU FCKN OWN d00d!!!!

you's got some skills...keep it up.

fosho
7th Jun 2001, 07:08 PM
h03, not h0:rolleyes:

Boom
7th Jun 2001, 08:55 PM
I'm with Cleaner here.

He made 24244 kills with the sniper rifle.
He made 23418 headshots.
He has only 171 kills with the ripper, so virtually all those headshots must be sniper headshots.
That's a headshot rate of 23418 / 24244 = 98%.


Its possible to have lots and lots of kills. It may even be possible to have 290fph. But when using the sniper, its hard to make all those kills headshots. The body is bigger than the head. Go onto a nooby server and play all sniper and try to only make headshots. You can't do it. Lots of your kills will be bodyshots.

Anyway, Ill add this server to my favs and if I see him there, I'll take a demo. I won't 100% condemn anyone till I have a demo, but I don't see how its possible to have so few of your sniper kills be bodyshot kills.

Roguefryfry|BuF
7th Jun 2001, 09:20 PM
I havn't used any other game borwser other than UT"s. So does Pingtool or Gamespy let you search game by players name?

Rev.Whoopass
7th Jun 2001, 10:42 PM
definetly fishy....i use the rifle as a primary weapon all the time,and I am lucky to get 70% eff for the week,let alone all time pfffttttt...i will acuse him now..and no ...i don't wanna see him play,i have seen enough.

{950}Slayer|PuF
8th Jun 2001, 12:50 AM
I must concur with Cleaner!

98% Was that on a 100+ bot server? ;)

Tetris L
8th Jun 2001, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Boom
... Anyway, Ill add this server to my favs and if I see him there, I'll take a demo.
My left testicle would like to see that demo too. It's a bit scared right now. ;)

Pope
8th Jun 2001, 03:50 AM
Roguefryfry,
Pingtool and Gamespy both allow you to find where a certain player is playing.

{950}Slayer|PuF
9th Jun 2001, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by Pope
Roguefryfry,
Pingtool and Gamespy both allow you to find where a certain player is playing.

Shouldn't be needed for the most part. Most stat hos stay on the same one server to at least 3 max.

Pope
12th Jun 2001, 05:30 AM
WTF?!?! Jump Boots on Gothic (http://www5.ut.ngworldstats.com/games/dm/24/2/133/136/7777/992315552330/1.html)?

Slick_Willy
12th Jun 2001, 08:54 AM
I already told you that he goes into admin mode for whatever reason when you play against him. I suspected him of summoning pickups before but never actually saw him do it and never looked at the stats. ThinHoss is a loser and cheats to be a stat hoe. He banned me from his server after I beat him 2 games in a row. Simple Solution, don't play there. Also you can report him to ngstats to have his number removed to get rid of his stats if you show that he cheats to get there. I think the Jump boots in Gothic show that. I loaded Gothic up in the editor and looked through the search list. There are definately no jump boots in Gothic.

Still, as far as head shots go. With a low ping you are able to make headshots everytime just about if you are used to the rifle. When I played Zeroping I could make a head shot almost every single time without cheating in any way.

Danny_Diplo
12th Jun 2001, 10:07 AM
I'm inclined to agree with Cleaner - a 98% headshot ratio does seem unbelievable without some kind of aid. However, I would hesitate at saying on a public forum someone is definitely using an aimbot without having first hand evidence. There is also one other possibility of why he has such a great headshot ratio and that is if he/she is using centerview. I've seen a demo of someone using this, (which is a perfectly legitimate setting in UT preferences) and it allowed them to get every rifle shot as a headshot - because their view is auto-centered they always aim for the upper third of the body, which is where you get a headshot from. How's your left testicle feeling now, Cleaner? ;)

Pope
12th Jun 2001, 10:38 AM
Yeah, centerview may explain the high headshot to total sniper frags ratio, it still doesn't explain how someone can have a 95% efficiency (98% with the sniper rifle) over 33,000 frags and managing that at 284 FPH (and 212 TTL)!!! then again it may not. Has this guy been playing for 33,000 frags only on an even surface? If he also attacks from a different height, has he managed to keep up this percentage in headshots?

But all that fades into comparison when I reveal this piece of information:
Number of Godlikes: 194
Total kills during spree: 20,446
Kills per Godlike: 105!! comawwwwwn. Get Real!! LOL

NutBar-SOB
12th Jun 2001, 01:09 PM
Probably using admin Godmode to get sprees like that, or populating a server with afk drones.
That's not one 105 kill spree, It's 194 sprees with an AVERAGE length of 105. How boring....

Sir Questor=UTK=
12th Jun 2001, 08:44 PM
First: Not all stat hoes do the things listed at the start. They are selective about where they play and what maps; but, some of the things listed are pretty shady.

Second: Not all of the top stat players are cheaters. Evil LarrE http://ut.ngworldstats.com/fcgi-bin/Display?gt=UT&gm=dm&uid=3920242&page=m&view=p one of my clan mates, is well ranked and I will state now that he doesn't cheat.

Third: I got a lot of heat about a previous post detailing how to use something similar to the previously mentioned centerview; BUT, I know that this is a simple UT setting and it only has an affect on level surfaces.

Fourth: I'd point out that he has a great efficiency with other weapons which would normally indicate skill.

Finally: Come on! Those stats scream some form of cheat or game manipulation and I have enough respect for the Reverand's opinion to take his opinion seriously. I gotta say that I'm an unbeliever. Get the rope! J/K about the rope thing. : )

Boogey
13th Jun 2001, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Pope
But all that fades into comparison when I reveal this piece of information:
Number of Godlikes: 194
Total kills during spree: 20,446
Kills per Godlike: 105!! comawwwwwn. Get Real!! LOL

Hehe, check out the number of monster kills.. unreal!

Pope
13th Jun 2001, 06:23 AM
Sir Questor,
I agree on all your points as basically you've agreed with mine :). Getting a good spot in the ranks is a combination of skill and stat h0ing. A very skillful player doesn't need to stat h0 much except maybe leave servers early on a bad day. Most of the points listed in the first post are used by people with less skill than the top players.

I've met your mate LarrE several times and he's a kicka$$ player which means he most probably doesn't use the cheesy stat h0 tactics.

The truth is that each one of this guy's stat feats isn't awesome in itself. For instance, this guy (http://ut.ngworldstats.com/fcgi-bin/Display?gt=UT&gm=dm&uid=3107786&page=a&view=p) has 112 monster kills for about 40,000 frags while ThinHoss has only (lol) 93 for 46,000 frags. BUT, his efficiency is 72.3%, and he has 135.4 FPH and 61.5 TTL and his 2nd favorite weapon is the redeemer FFS!!

Now, about the rope... ;)


/me should become a sports stats analyst :)

zombie
14th Jun 2001, 09:00 PM
I think we overlooked the minigun use too. Right under rifle. Not nearly as many kills but the fact that's its an instant hit weapon just adds to this.