Scope for the DE

[BlueSniper]

I think that, since the DE sucks in close range combat, the team should include a mounted scope for the MkXIX. the DE is a fairly acurate weapon, and is more powerfull then the average pistol, so it Would make a good sniping weapon

[Kisen_K]

As I recall , Warren said that scopes or aimpoints on pistols would never make it to INF

[BlueSniper]

oh.... but why?

[poaw]

Because the point of carrying a pistol is to have a backup weapon that is easily accessible availble to you incase your primary weapon ceases to function.

A scope would only make it harder draw your pistol quickly. Hence, scoped pistols have no place in Infiltration.

[DarkBls]

Gun with scopes is more for counter terrorism pruposes than military

[Domino]

Its a good idea, but I think what Bluesniper is trying to say is that the Desert Eagle can't cut it against the Berretta or FiveseveN (because both those handguns have more ammo in each clip and can fire faster, and they can pull off about 3 bullets in the time it takes a DE user to get off one)

Therefore I think the DE should be given a unique attachment to make use of its high-stopping power yet slow rate of fire.

[RogueLeader]

You know what else would make a good sniper weapon? A sniper rifle. Take one of those instead.

[Kisen_K]

Now I remember why. It would become impossible to holster the pistol if you had a scope on it, unless you had some non milspec equipment, which INF is not going to get

[Spetznaz_1]

What about a laser sight instead for the de or any other pistol?

[Kisen_K]

The Walther P99 and H&K SOCOM is getting a laser pointer, but either of those weapons are in the current build of INF

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by Domino
Its a good idea, but I think what Bluesniper is trying to say is that the Desert Eagle can't cut it against the Berretta or FiveseveN (because both those handguns have more ammo in each clip and can fire faster, and they can pull off about 3 bullets in the time it takes a DE user to get off one)

Therefore I think the DE should be given a unique attachment to make use of its high-stopping power yet slow rate of fire.

Ok.. first off.. NO.. leave the DE alone. THe DE is for the few number of people who use pistols that can actually aim. You put a scope on it then any moron can aim with it.

Second
.. Until the 57 was implimented, the bretta was a freak'n cap gun. Now that the 57 is in, the bretta has been upgraded to a weak pistol because the 57 is now the cap gun.

Just fire the DE in the game and hear how powerful it sounds. Then, without laughing, fire the 57 and hear how it resembals the toy guns you used as a child.

The DE does just fine against any weapon, espically the pee shooters.

[BlueSniper]

it took me a while to find out, but the DE is CRAP. small mag. slow rate. bad draw time. too much bulk. and expensive! its not worth it! make it INF worthy by giving it a scope at least.

[BlueSniper]

give me my dads 9mm and you take a DE and I'll blow you away before you can bring the gun outa your special holster!

[BlueSniper]

oh, and yes. I can aim also. thats why people call me a sniper

[BrownCow]

I do just fine with the de. Leave it alone. If you don't like it don't use it.

[poaw]

Yeah the DE is perfect as is, no reason to add/change anything about it.

[Eagle-Six]

Just fire the DE in the game and hear how powerful it sounds. Then, without laughing, fire the 57 and hear how it resembals the toy guns you used as a child.

The DE sounds powerful. Big Deal! Sound isnt everything. The DE sucks in my opinion. The Five-Seven is much better. It kills in 1 or 2 shots almost everytime and it has a lower recoil.

As far as a laser for the DE I dont think it matters. It still is gonna suck. The problem with the DE isnt its sights or accurcacy its the fact that its slower than any other handgun in inf.

I would rather see a laser for the FIve-Seven since it isnt as accurate. But thats just me

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by Eagle-Six
The DE sounds powerful. Big Deal! Sound isnt everything. The DE sucks in my opinion. The Five-Seven is much better. It kills in 1 or 2 shots almost everytime and it has a lower recoil.

As far as a laser for the DE I dont think it matters. It still is gonna suck. The problem with the DE isnt its sights or accurcacy its the fact that its slower than any other handgun in inf.

I would rather see a laser for the FIve-Seven since it isnt as accurate. But thats just me

Call me crazy, but if i want a powerful gun that i'm gunna kill everyone with, i'm gunna use some kinda smg. Using 1 pistol over another because it is "more powerful" is dull. I use de because of it's size/power/sound. I love the sound of the DE. So i use it. I feel like a sissy if i ever use the other 2 pistols, i don't give a crap if they are more effective.

The reason everyone uses m9/57 is because of the mag size. I like to think i can aim half way decent so i enjoy using a smaller ammo count weapon. I liked the sig better as a 20 round mag as well. That was peoples main concern for not using it prior to .5.. Which just blurts out "GIMMIE MORE AMMO CUZ I CAN'T AIM".

*off the subject kinda cept the last sentance*
I've witnessed many times people running around with the p90 and AK just holding down the trigger as they rounded corners "Just in case" there was an enemy there. No reguard for any teammate that might be there. More ammo = more carelessness.(with few exceptions)

[Eagle-Six]

WHy did you quote my entire reply???

Anyway. If you like having more powerful ammo good for you. Most people like more ammo because when you need a handgun it means that you have run out of ammo at a critical time. Having a slow firing weapon is not my idea of support. I (and like I said its just me) would rather prefer a weapon that does good damage and holds more ammo.

Which just blurts out "GIMMIE MORE AMMO CUZ I CAN'T AIM".

I can aim pretty damn good. More ammo for me means more dead enemies

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by Eagle-Six
WHy did you quote my entire reply???

Cuz i liked it

[Plekto]

I would suggest changing the calliber of the DE to .44 Magnum and upping the damage accordingly. It may be slow, but it does pack a huge punch.

I use it all the time in CS - because it hits like a normal rifle round at close-range.

[Spetznaz_1]

Originally posted by Plekto
I would suggest changing the calliber of the DE to .44 Magnum and upping the damage accordingly. It may be slow, but it does pack a huge punch.

I use it all the time in CS - because it hits like a normal rifle round at close-range.

I don't think the IMI DE fires .44 magnum. It does however fire .50 AE rounds with a 7 round clip. I use it in CS. When i take my AWP :)

[NotBillMurray]

Call me crazy, but if i want a powerful gun that i'm gunna kill everyone with, i'm gunna use some kinda smg. Using 1 pistol over another because it is "more powerful" is dull.

I know several players who use a pistol only to emulate an officer on the battlefield. There seems to be an even mix among them WRT the DE or the 9mm.

Personally, I prefer the DE for every situation where I have drawn my sidearm. My opponent (hopefully, if my aim was there at all) is wounded and my possibility for taking him out is much greater with the .357. Plus, I prefer aim to ammo everytime.

[ShakKen]

<-- Check that out.

[DooMfreak]

The DE has served it purpose in INF. Once the next pistol is implemented (P99 or SOCOM) it think it is time to say farewell to the DE.

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by DooMfreak
The DE has served it purpose in INF. Once the next pistol is implemented (P99 or SOCOM) it think it is time to say farewell to the DE.

umm no.. I can take on anyone with my de. Take out one of the 2 toy guns. 57 and m9 don't compare. Anyone who disagrees, find a server and i'll prove you wrong. I can take on any weapon with the DE and still compete in points.


I'll have to bomb someone if the de is ever removed.

[Kuroshio Apocal]

If you have an honest need for the Desert Eagle's power, why not just use a M16 on semi-auto?

[NotBillMurray]

Maybe because it isn't realistic for every combatant to have a rifle ;)

[DooMfreak]

In all respects, the DE has a high 'cool factor'. But honestly, I don't see any reason to keep it in INF forever. Not only does it have a low magazine capacity, but also in future versions it will just become more cumbersome. Being a magnum autoloader - the type of ammunition it can load is narrowed to a very limited selection. In future versions, it will become useless. How can such a weapon compare against the likes of SA/DA double column pistols that will be able to feed a spectrum of ammuntion.

The DE certainly has it's place in INF for now, but as each new version is released it is losing it's charm.

[Kuroshio Apocal]

Originally posted by Monk_Zero
Maybe because it isn't realistic for every combatant to have a rifle ;)

LOL.

[plastic fork]

I couldnt care less if the DE was removed completely. I dont care if some of you can 'take on anyone with the de'.
All the pistols can kill with one round to the head, so if you're so great at killing people with the DE, you should find you're even better with the other pistols as they fire faster and hold more ammo. I vote the DE out.

[Edgie]

Originally posted by Spetznaz_1

I don't think the IMI DE fires .44 magnum.

I suggest everyone check out http://www.zvis.com/dep.shtml

You might actually learn something.

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by Kuroshio Apocal
If you have an honest need for the Desert Eagle's power, why not just use a M16 on semi-auto?

You fail to see why i use a de to begin with. If i use a sig then i win, woop de doo. It isn't fun. If i use a de i have fun. it is a challange as opposed to an smg.

I picked de over other guns because it has a better bang. I don't give a crap about effectivness. If i wanted to be effective, i'd use a sig.

[Yaweh_]

<rant>

Since it wandered off the original topic of a scope on the DE, this whole thread has become academic. Does anyone have a single good reason for REMOVING a weapon from INF? What purpose does that serve? If you take it out, you have done NOTHING to ENHANCE the gameplay for ANYONE. Rather, you have DECREASED the value of the game for those who actually LIKE the gun. Personally, I'm an M9 guy when it comes to INF pistols, but the last thing I want to see is the INF team take the DE or any other gun OUT of the game. Really, who benefits? You've hurt gameplay for those who used it, and have not changed anything for those who don't. Leave it alone. And stop wasting time trying to convince others which gun is better. You might as well try and talk a door into opening for you. You're wasting your breath, because the people you're debating against have ALREADY decided for themselves which one they like for their own reasons. Let them have their fun.

Put yourself in their shoes: does anyone really have the slightest chance swaying you from your beliefs? Especially since you've already verified the validity of said beliefs, either on the shooting range or on the battlefield? "Good", "Better", "Best" are VALUE judgements, which by definition will vary from person to person. Sure, you could add up the numbers, compare bullet sizes and bullet hole sizes, but all that really matters in the end is how each individual feels about each gun. You like your DE, fine, take your door buster into battle. I'll take my Berretta, thank you very much, and assuming I live through your first 7 rounds, I'll try and frag your ass with my remaining 8. Simply because I do better with the M9 than the DE does NOT mean any other human will, too. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE GUN.

</rant>

[BrownCow]

Originally posted by plastic fork
I couldnt care less if the DE was removed completely. I dont care if some of you can 'take on anyone with the de'.
All the pistols can kill with one round to the head, so if you're so great at killing people with the DE, you should find you're even better with the other pistols as they fire faster and hold more ammo. I vote the DE out.

Taking out a gun would be counter productive. Thank god your opinion doesn't mean ****. :)

And if you have ever used any of the pistols you would have noted the DE's exceptional power compared to the other two. Sure they may fire faster, but they are as weak as the p90's rounds. If you an aim power is all the difference.

If you don't see a use for it then don't ****ing use it. Use whatever you want, just don't vote guns out based on your preferance. damn some people are really ****ing stupid.

[DredDamo]

To quote my clanmate Lestat:

"LOL? I nearly ROLF'ed!" reading this thread.

Get the heck outta here taking guns OUT of Inf!

Oh, and don't put a scope on a DE, for crying out loud. Defeats the entire purpose of having

a) a quick backup weapon.

b) a power trip for people who happen to be good with pistols :)

Thank you,

[L]-Damodred

[plastic fork]

I saw a thread like this shortly after the release of 2.80 and I thought the exact same thing - I didnt like the gun, but now its in, why take it out?

Its not because I dont like it, I just dont think it fits in. The AT-4 was removed after 2.75, and as much fun as I had with it, I think it was the right decision. That's just my opinion, and I guess it dosent really mean sh</b>it.

And if you have ever used any of the pistols you would have noted the DE's exceptional power compared to the other two. Sure they may fire faster, but they are as weak as the p90's rounds. If you an aim power is all the difference.
Yes I have used it. The DE dosent always kill on the first hit, and 2 hits from any gun is more than likely to kill your opponent, so not only do I dislike it, I also dont find its extra power much use. I dont find any pleasure in listening to the 'big bang', so I cant relate to you there either. That said, I would really dig the DE in conjunction with tiger skin lined pink blazers and huge convertable cadillacs, however I dont feel its whole 'cool' appeal ("does this gun look good on me?") in Infiltration.

All I was really trying to say earlier is that I wouldn't miss it if it were gone.

[RogueLeader]

I don't think weapons should be removed. Even if a weapon is inferior in every way, leave it in. It adds choice. As we have seen the DE is not a very good pistol but some people like it anyway, and I say let them carry it. It may not be the best pistol but if it is what people are used to, its their score that suffers.

[DooMfreak]

1.) The DE isn't a military weapon. Nor is it an infantry weapon of any kind.
2.) It is a typical wepon for the modern mod (At least in INF it is chamber for .357)
3.) The DE won't be able to take advantage of the planned ammunition system.
4.) It has high bulk, it is SA only, and has low magazine capacity.

In my humble opinion, the DE should be released in the future to keep the mod fresh.

However, if there are enough people who want the DE to stay in INF, I say keep it.

[Edgie]

Originally posted by DooMfreak
1.) The DE isn't a military weapon. Nor is it an infantry weapon of any kind.
2.) It is a typical wepon for the modern mod (At least in INF it is chamber for .357)
3.) The DE won't be able to take advantage of the planned ammunition system.
4.) It has high bulk, it is SA only, and has low magazine capacity.


1) Neither is the upcoming P99 (used primarily in LE) -- I'd much rather see a SIG P226 or Springfield instead. Or even a Glock.

2) True, but you can thank THE MATRIX it's current popularity.

4) And SAO is a bad thing... ?

:)

[DooMfreak]

Originally posted by Edgie


1) Neither is the upcoming P99 (used primarily in LE) -- I'd much rather see a SIG P226 or Springfield instead. Or even a Glock.

2) True, but you can thank THE MATRIX it's current popularity.

4) And SAO is a bad thing... ?



1) I am fairly certain that the P99 is in use for military operations, remeber that it is availble in 9mm and S&W .40.

2) :) Note that in the Matrix the DE feeds FMJ. What up with that?

4) SAO is not a bad thing, simply preference, SA/DA is easier to operate for quick action or high stress situations.