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das_ben
9th Apr 2000, 01:41 PM
ok i noticed that some of the veterans like to bash the newbies.. also me :-) .. so i thought of warning all newbies.. here's a checklist:
1. read the roadmap before entering the forum!
2. don't say a suggestion which ends ..like in cs! [this is the worst thing you can do :-) ]
3. don't make weapon suggestions
4. related to 2. .. don't come to the forum and post things like mod x rulz!
5. be nice and friendly [in the forum- not in the game ;-) ]

ok i think that's all.. if any so named 'mod veteran' read this add things i forgot

-reaper... over and out-

p.s. : why the programmers don't add the glock18.. you know the weapon like in counterstrike :-) [<-- just joking]

Bad.Mojo
9th Apr 2000, 02:15 PM
As a side note, don't EVER call me out.

Really, its for your own benefits.

Mr. T
9th Apr 2000, 02:37 PM
Good reaper. Except I'd like to add a couple.

6. (related to 5) Don't respond negatively toward the bashing, and don't take it personally. Instead, think of it as a test to check your character, and maturity level.

7. Never use the phrase 'you're ripping', or other phrases expressing similar thoughts.

8. Listen to Mr. T, because he's a nice guy, and is just trying to help.

Bad.Mojo
9th Apr 2000, 04:18 PM
Another thing, if you guys have any pics of Fairuza Balk and/or Angelina Jolie nekkid, you can send those my way and win over what little good side I have left.

INF_Neo
9th Apr 2000, 07:05 PM
Well one more rule:

Every full moon when the 7 planets that are next to the earth are in one line (that'll be on May, 15th) you have to sacrifice a virgin and you have to wear a blanket made of rubber and oranges.

...gotta go to sleep. it's 22:48 ...

Bad.Mojo
9th Apr 2000, 09:36 PM
Virgin? What's a virgin? I haven't met a virgin in years... and years and years.

Snakeye
10th Apr 2000, 04:19 PM
Hey I like the virgin idea..
Do you really havce to wear that rubber ****?
I prefer doing such funny things wearing the skin of former virgins I sacrified to the great power!

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ShakKen
11th Apr 2000, 12:30 AM
9. If you do end up being swamped by infiltration regulars, try to scream allot.

Bad.Mojo
11th Apr 2000, 12:59 PM
Wait, when you mean sacrificing a virgin, is it meant in its loosest sense of like... I said loose and virgin in the same sentence... anyways, is it meant like... you have to, you know, sacrifice her virginity but ripping off her maiden's head?

If so, please give me a regular and steady supply of busty young virgin girls.

Thank you.

Snakeye
11th Apr 2000, 05:36 PM
hey, what do you think?
Of course we won't cut her head off, we just cut her heart out of her chest and eat it.

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Mr. T
11th Apr 2000, 05:43 PM
10. To help prevent replys similar to those found above, avoid posting any statement containing the word "virgin".

Snakeye
11th Apr 2000, 06:35 PM
Addistion to rule 10.
try to avoid the following words too:
-counterstrike
-sex
-an XXXX is better than a M9 (I know it's a sentence)
-counterstrike
-make it like counterstrike
-insane (you're not gonna insult me and my friends, just because we hear the voices!)
-counterstrike
-a Citroen AX is not a car (will result in one stopping in front of your door, and the driver blowing up your house with a AT4)
-counterstrike
-add the XXXX(put your favourite weapon here)
-did I mention counterstrike??

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ONE LAST
avoid this under any given circumstances:
never, ever make the fault to post the word 'Snakeeye'!!!!!

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Bad.Mojo
11th Apr 2000, 11:27 PM
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!!

ShakKen
12th Apr 2000, 12:10 AM
COUNTERSTRIIIIKE!

I'm a moderatah! Whatcha gonna do to me little man?

*commits hara-kiri*

DeadeyeDan[ToA]
12th Apr 2000, 12:56 AM
A FiveseveN is better than an M9.

An HK MK-23 is better than an M9.

*sticks out tongue at Snakeye*

Oh wait... now for the really "snake-infuriating" statement...

The US switched from the Colt 1911 to the M9 because they had to- all the Nato countries now use 9mm and 5.56x45mm ammo, they are trying to make it so that resupply shipments of ammo from any Nato country can aid any Nato troops.

*looks in Snakeye's direction, preparing to dodge flying blunt objects*

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[This message has been edited by DeadeyeDan[ToA] (edited 04-11-2000).]

Snakeye
12th Apr 2000, 04:43 AM
Yeah, exactly..
As if the US gave a **** about NATO ammo!
They wanted the .308 round, they got it; what happened few years later: they switched to the .223 and the whole NATO was pissed off.
They could have sticked to the 1911, but they didn't for other reasons.
First the 1911 is too old -> means not that it is bad ore useless or anything; it still is one of the best weapon designs ever made.
It lacks security; find out about the M9, and you'll see that creep has that many security systems that only a complete idiot could cause an AD.
The M9 has higher capacity and the 9x19 is more likely to penetrate kevlar than the .45, though it has not the .45s stopping power.
If you want to compare them, it's like compareing a M14 to the M16A2 or even the M4. The M14 was, is and will be an excellent weapon, but still the US uses the M16 now, because it has some important advantages.

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
PS: it's hard to throw anything through the web, but even if possible, I wouldn't hurt a MB-friend..or would I?

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das_ben
12th Apr 2000, 11:11 AM
forget about my miserable past.. i'm not a newbie anymore... now i'm a MOD-VETERAN.. yeah i know that this is a newbie post but.. it's my last.. really .. ehm... no i just wanna say one word.. but i mustn't [amination of fighting parts of my brain].. i wanna.. i mustn't yeah i say it:
COUNERSTRIKE
SEX
SNAKEEYE
make infiltration like counterstrike, please!!! add all the weapons of counterstrike.. make all this levels.. PLEASE!!!

-reaper was here-

[for all those who are drunken all the time and haven't found out yet: this was only a joke.. :-) infiltration is great and will become even better with every update!]

CoffeyCan
12th Apr 2000, 12:24 PM
Ill add something here:

Read at least the full page of threads before posting. How many post have I seen about Akimbo, throwing knives, WWII weaps, etc etc that are answere easily in the list of threads.

The other, larger issue, is that you have to have a leg to stand on. If youre going to suggest a weapon/item you have to be able to advocate for the fact that it should be in the game. Minuguns, flamethrowers, throwing knives have all generally trounced because they dont fit with the mod theme and are defunct or are unrealistic. Next be prepared to take heat for your suggestion, especially if its in the vein of the ones above. There are a lot of people on the board with good general weapons knowledge and some with exceptional kowledge. Getting into a pissing match with these people is slitting your own throat. Dont be upset if your suggestion is passed on, its not personal; to some degree people have to toughen up and learn to take criticism.

Also realize that INF is not your personal canvas, I think that many people thing x weapon/item would be 'cool' without thinking about the ramifications to the theme/gameplay/overall mod, then become irate when people, 'generally' logically disprove their weapon/item. The team really doesnt have to do anything for any of us, but yet they show a great committment to the community by posting polls and serioiusly taking feedback, always remember that they dont have to do this, and again, that this is a project done for free and that we pay nothing for, a fact largely taken for granted.

Ultimately I have to say that the community here is, for the most part, mature and responsible around issues and troublemakers tend to be drummed out. Both the team and community provide excellent moderation, on a formal and informal level. If you can stand the heat, then its a good place to be, as there is almost no namecalling and no 100 thread posts all saying how someone/something/clan/idea/suggestion 'sux' or 'gay'
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ShakKen
12th Apr 2000, 02:53 PM
You tokking to I R?

Snakeye
12th Apr 2000, 05:06 PM
okay reeper,
you can do what you want, but never again spell my name wrong!!

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DeadeyeDan[ToA]
12th Apr 2000, 06:57 PM
Hehehe... yes, the switch to the .223 is probably why they lost the .45 though, switching both types would probably be just too much crap for Nato to take.

If it's still useful, and one of the best weapon designs ever, why should it's age matter?

I'll agree with you about the M9's security, but soldiers all learn to use their weapons safely under supervision, there probably wouldn't be any AD'ing retards that would be around the weapon and ammo alone.

And I also agree about the M9 being a good weapon, I just like others better (and I was just screwing with ya, and ending the recent lack of gun talk). If they really wanted to pierce military body armor or helmets they'd go with the 5.7 (which I'm hoping they will), the 9mm might be more likely to do so than the .45, but it's still not very reliable, you should be aiming for unarmored areas either way.

ShakKen
12th Apr 2000, 11:59 PM
9mms have more manstopping power than 5.7mms.

Bad.Mojo
13th Apr 2000, 06:07 AM
I want a six foot by six foot round. Set it off with a hammer wearing an asbestos suit (I would be, not the hamma.) Take out a room or something.

Snakeye
13th Apr 2000, 09:01 AM
Well, the 5.7 surely goes through more kevlar than any other pistol round.
Still it has less stopping power than a 9mm, as mentioned above. But if it goes to body armour, I'd rather take a .223 than a 5.7.

About the .45:
The 1911 is a excellent weapon, but the M9 is better - at least if you consider all pros and cons of both; and I don't doubt the military is trained perfectly thowards gun security, but not everybody else is. And regarding the security against AD the M9 is near perfect - compared to other modern weapons like the Glock; and don't tell me just a fool can cause a AD with a Glock, because two Police officers died while showing their cadets how to NOT holster their weapons(found at Darwin Awards and confirmed true)
If I had to choose between any handgun without having a special need(stopping power, mag capacity, armour penetration..) I'd take a M9(best reliability and security together with high mag capacity) or a Sig226(not totally as reliable, but very close up, plus a little bit more accurate than the M9)

Snakeye D:

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CoffeyCan
13th Apr 2000, 11:35 AM
.40 S&W is proving to be the wave of the future though. Appears that most Law Enforcement are switching over to it, and its making its way into the US military as well. The balance of capacity/stopping power is addressed well with it and creates a balance between 9mm and .45 that most people seem to enjoy.

I find the M9 to be 'clinky' is the best word to describe. Dont care for the slide action, it sounds loose, and Ive had it jam more than once, whereas the Glock and HK never did. USP series HK takes the cake, best civilian handgun available IMHO, if you can afford it, heavy bank on that one.
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Snakeye
13th Apr 2000, 04:43 PM
Sorry, me not totally understand the word 'clinky' - me just poor man from Austria, me not know well English..

But about the M9:
How the hell did you get it to jam?
Fired 1000 shots without cleaning and oiling it?
That's the best way to get any handgun jam..
(I did this with an M9 too, and it sure didn't work properly..)
And I couldn't say anything bad about the slide action of my dads M9..

Besides, both Glock and HK are excellent pistols, just I do not really like these plastic stuff; not that it had any real disadvantage, I just prefer iron/inox/aluminium.
The only thing I really dislike about the Glock is it's decreased security, and the fact that it has no external hammer.
Call me old fashioned, but I just think a pistol has to have a hammer.

Anyway I doubt this type of discussion leads anywhere; some prefer the one weapon, some the other, and everybody has enough arguments to convince at least himself, why his favourite gun is the best in the world.
That's what I wanted to tell everyone with the:
<The XXX is better than the M9> sentence.
Just don't start any crusade about the best firearm in the world, because it does not exist - or would you tell me there were that many different guns if anybody had invented the perfect one?

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
..definetly not out on a M9 crusade..

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DeadeyeDan[ToA]
13th Apr 2000, 07:53 PM
Yes, I know the 5.7's not as strong, but the philosophy behind that round is "A shallow wound is better than no wound at all." If your going up against military body armor the 9mm isn't gonna do much unless you hit the guy in the face/neck, below the helmet, whereas with the 5.7 you actually stand a chance of incapacitating the enemy with a shot to the helmet or vest. And if your NOT going up against body armor, I'd much prefer some "flying ashcan" .45's.

Yes, I would much rather have a 5.56 than a 5.7 as well (the 5.56 is my favorite round anyhow), but I've never seen a gun that holds 20 5.56 rounds and fits in a pistol holster.

Oh and Coffey I completely agree with you about the HK's, I'd have to say my favorite pistol for the price is the HK USP .45... if money wasn't a consideration I'd go with the MK-23, sweet gun but a little hefty on the pricetag (around 2k).

And yes, I really should have said "*IMHO* the MK-23 is better", but this worked out nicely, nothing wrong with gun talk.

[This message has been edited by DeadeyeDan[ToA] (edited 04-13-2000).]

CoffeyCan
14th Apr 2000, 03:01 AM
Yeah in the end it all comes down to personal preference, lots of thing play a part, hand size, personal recoil limits, poly or non-ploy, hammer/less, etc etc.

The M9 stovepiped 2 times on me and another time with the guy I was with. It was a rental, so it could have been a cleaning issues, but the place seemed to have good maintance. But as you can expect having a gun jam 2x on you doesnt endear you to it. I saw a glock jam on someone 3 times within 1 hour, but it seemed to be the way the weap was held, so again personal preference of how the weapon works with you..

By 'clinky' I meant that the gun generally felt loose in its moving parts.

Yeah the MK-23 are fine looking weapons, I didnt even bother to mention that one as it seems to far away from then general consumers price range /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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ShakKen
14th Apr 2000, 03:33 AM
Glock's safeties are No-1. I've never had or seen or heard of a AD with a glock.

The big advantage with a glock is that the're is no DA/SA switching, Your trigger will give you a slick 6 pound DA pull all the time, every time.

Anybody who complains about a Glock obviously need to work on his trigger dicipline.

Sofisticated simplicity. It's true what they say, you can't go wrong with a glock^_^

Snakeye
14th Apr 2000, 06:53 AM
What you think is an advantage for you, is a disadvantage for me; I prefer the DA/SA mode of the M9, Sig226 etc; not everybody wants to pull a 6 pounds trigger - over here in Europe less is preferred.

The main reason why I prefer the 9mm at all is its low recoil compared to both 10mmAuto/.40S&W and the .45ACP. I would even take a .22, if its lethality wasn't that bad..

Weapons are like cars and women - everybody prefers something different, because of different reasons - any discussion on such a topic is more or less futile..

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DeadeyeDan[ToA]
14th Apr 2000, 07:05 PM
Well it's not pointless, if that's what you mean... getting everyone to agree with you is futile, yes; but just having a friendly discussion of preferences is kinda fun.

Personally, I can handle the recoil of the .45 pretty good compared to the 9mm... the 9mm kinda snaps back real quick, while the .45 is slower but longer and stronger. With the .45 I can usually keep the point of aim pretty close to where I want it, with the quick snaps of the 9mm I sometimes don't do so well. Then again that's probably because I shoot .45 so much more often... like you said, it's all personal preferences.

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