Criteria for locking posts

[Cunubelin]

I am wondering about that since seeing a mostly pointless and harmless post from a CS fanatic get locked. (see "Infiltration sux my knob")
But you leave Bad.Mojos post open to a staggering 110+ replies!
So, tell stupid little me what is so fun about telling people how to commit suicide?
Frankly, I'm dissappointed in the team for that one (Gryphon).
TELLING PEOPLE TO COMMIT SUICIDE IS NOT FUN.

As for the locked CS-post here's how Dragon reasoned when he locked it:
"This is a usless flaming, and a usless argument. If you have something to say about INF be constructive.

Walking in to a forum with a Gas can and a Zippo is not the way to handle your thoughts!

DRAGON"

Yeah, right.
Now, I DO believe in the teams right to close whatever post they want for whatever reason they have.

I happen to like these forums. There isn't half the corrosive, manurespreading filth that exists on some other forums.
So, please, keep your deaththreats and suicidehints to yourself. It's not a question of free speech it's a question of hurting someone you don't even know just because you felt like telling a jerk to go jump in front of a train today.
When Mojo returned from his "vacation" he made a few posts that were dubious in content at best. If those were not "usless flaming, and a usless argument" I don't know what is. But they were left open because it was the almighty Mojo back from the E-dead and back with a vengeance.
Now, this is the Open Topic forum and almost anything goes.
Goes:
Deaththreats
Kill your kids then yourself
Commit suicide
Deaththreats to your family

Goes NOT:
Any reference to CounterStrike
Any criticism towards the team (As far as the mod itself the team is doing one massively good job!)


That is enough for now I think. I've already put my foot far enough in it to sink myself ten times over. But this IS the open topic forum dang it.

Ok kids, have fun and LET THE WARS BEGIN!

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[Goat Fucker]

The reason Mojo´s threads are still open is that he posts with humor, also, he doesent atack anyone without them atacking him first, witch is fair IMO.

Hip Hop´s thread had no humor, no constructiveness (is that a word?), no political statement and was only intended to piss people off.
AKA- got locked.

I know why the team delites or lock threads, but i´ll let it up to their desretion to inform u.

Frankly, im disapointed with u cunubelin /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[Gryphon]

GF, I think you put it quite well. I haven't seen Mojo's thread lately, and thus I didn't know what was in there about suicide and whatnot. However threads that get locked or deleted usually share one thing in common - they are all TROLLS.

For those unfamiliar with the term, a TROLL is a message (or person posting such messages) strictly intended to draw other forum-goers into a debate or argument, or make tempers flare. Some say the term originated from the 'troll under the bridge', others say it's derived from 'trolling for fish' in the sense that the poster is trolling for a rebuttal.

Mojo's threads remain open mainly because he has an amazing literary talent and injects a measure of wit and humor to these forums. Semi-intelligent discussions (dare I go that far) are usually the outcome, and all one needs do is put forth a legitimate complaint and the thread can be considered for closure. But if you get drawn into a debate with Mojo and start losing, that doesn't count. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hopefully this clears it a bit. If someone wants to argue this point (politely and constructively), go ahead. I'm an open-minded person.

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[shan]

I have not locked Bad.Mojos thread because I was too busy laughing when I read it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I did not notice anything about suicide in there either.

There are things that do not get locked in the Off-Topic forum that would in the other forums.

Like Gryphon said, mainly what we lock here is the worthless troll posts. People who are here just to start trouble or post for the flame affect only should expect their posts to be locked.

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[Snakeye]

OK, I'm really glad Mojo is back, because he always brings in some fun and wit into the forum. Still I have to admit that I agree with Cunubelin about the 'retard'-post.

The following is taken directly out of this thread:

"The next time you want to add such an inane comment to what is otherwise a fruitful discussion, write it in your own blood on the wall instead. Veins already opened, set yourself in a nice warm tub and put down a few bottles of red wine. A nice Roman way to exit the world. You'll also be doing the paramedics a favor, since cleanup won't be too difficult. Consider it the one useful thing you've done with your life."

It is from one of Gryphons posts; now just don't tell me it was no suggestion to commit suicide. Of course, I guess, it was all fun, but not everybody thinks suicide is funny, and I'm among these.

And wheter or not the rest of the thread was senseless or not is up to the historians. It sure was funny sometimes. But was it that more sensible than anyone posting 'make this like CS'?

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

[Cunubelin]

As I can't find the thread referring to suicide I'll just back down from this entire argument.

Without that thread I have no evidence so, case closed.
Unless, ofcourse, I can find it in which case "I'll be back".

Like I said in my original post: "The last laugh is on me" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have a nice day

Peace
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[Goat Fucker]

I have had 3 freinds comit suicide and lost others in even more unpleasent ways, and its a serious thing, no doubt.

But i think that one was funny, and cant see any harm in it!, u realy think anyone would follow up on that sugestion?
IMO, more nasty things were said in that thread, but none of witch i felt was delitable (definetly not a word, but hey...).

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[Warren]

I don't exactly agree with how Gryphon worded that either, but I'm definitely not going to lose sleep over it. However, please read this thread:

http://unreal.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=10009422&f=16609262&m=207096972

before you decide to defend another "CS fanatic". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Seriously, I do appreciate your concerns, but I think there is a large difference between the vocal disturbances that spill out of Mojo, versus that which comes from opinionated individuals who lack common sense, dignity, and decency, but then can't understand why they have to accept the consequences for their own actions because they obviously never had to before.

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[Gryphon]

Oh, THAT. I meant it completely in jest, although of course over the internet no one can see you wink. I'm glad some found humor in it, as that's what it was intended for. Please, nobody here commit suicide okay? Thanks. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Mojo.the.Red]

There is, and I admit, a point where free speech ends.

A man in a white hood stands in Alabama and says "I hate *******".

That's free speech. As much as we hate it, we have only the right to hate him back for it.

A man in a white hood stands in Harlem shooting a gun in the air while children go off to school and says "I hate *******".

Guess what. Your free speech just ended. The man in Alabama, as ignorant as he is, is only harming his reputation. The man in Harlem stands to harm many innocent people based on his ignorance, and needs to be responded to with unrestrained and equal force.

So, now that we've drawn parallels, lets pull this into the internet world.

A man on the internet posts stories of pedophilia. As disgusting as we all find this, they're just stories. Just like a writer who puts scenes of rape or murder into his books, this man is no more guilty of pedophilia than the writer is of rape or murder. And as much as we may not like it, we must accept this.

If the man, however, posts pictures of child pornography, then he says sickeningly violated the rights of innocent children and needs to be brought down. While some people may say this man is having his rights encroached on, lets face it, its not true. Children have no reason to concent to sex. First and foremost, they are not physical mature. They don't produce sperm, achieve erection, ovulate, or have breasts to feed their offspring, nor do they have the mental maturity to understand the implications of sex, the pregnancies, the diseases, et al. Therefore, he is breaking the law.

And since Gryphon was only stating his opinion (whether he's on the team or not is irrelevant... he has as much right to post his opinion as everybody else, and quite frankly, I'd rather have a human with real feelings and real opinions, capable of mistakes, working on the team than some freaky, cold, hard robots) and doing nothing criminal, what is wrong with it? Certainly, we have the right to criticize, but why should we coerce a human being into uttering an apology he does not believe in simply for stating his opinion?

And, so you know, I have told the team that deleting peoples posts is unfair, and that I don't believe in it, in no uncertain terms. I think everybody knows how I feel about censorship.

The problem is not the people stating their idiot opinions. Its how you respond to them. Ultimately (and I have said this before) you are your own censor. You don't need a moderator, or a censors board, or an editor to tell you whats okay for you to see on the net or on tv or in the newspapers and periodicals. You need only go to another site or close your browser, change the channel or turn off the television, go to another article or put the paper down.

Its that you give the people exactly what they want -- you give them the infuriated response these underdeveloped maggots need and crave like the malformed, socially stunted cretins they are.

Its not that these people can't control themselves, its that YOU PEOPLE can't control YOURSELVES, and therefore beg for the need to have both you and them controlled. And then you bitch about it. If you must argue, argue constructively. Make valid, purposeful statements based in reality. Inject them with wit and humour to keep them lively. If you're completely opinionated, you infuriate them and other people. If you're totally sterile, people lose interest. Mix them up a bit, and you have a valid, interesting factual arguement that can't be debated since the proof is irrefutable.

Don't write to the book publisher just cause you don't like the book

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[Mojo.the.Red]

Oh, and one more thing.

Quite frankly, anybody who's stupid enough to take a suggestion from somebody they've never met before over a forum on the internet and actually goes out and kills themselves deserves to die.

I have a little saying, "If you're stupid enough to drink gasoline, you deserve what you get."

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[Goat Fucker]

When posting, we need to think off a little thing called Karma!, now for u who think Karma is some newage mumbojumbo, let me translate it. Karma means Action-Reaction, Newton just reinvented Karma.

If u post "I hate u all, and i wisch u were dead!", u´d get a reply in that same tone.

But if u instead post "I love u all, youre the best!" Thats the tone u will get in turn!

I cant for the love of god understand that people cant see the logic in that, and get pissed when they get bad Karma in return for theirs!
What have i missed?

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[Mojo.the.Red]

You missed the part where the world became populated with 6 billion idiots when you weren't looking.

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[Goat Fucker]

Unfortunedly, i can only agree with you Mojo /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[Cunubelin]

I'm a bit naive and I DO have blue eyes also I have a tendency to believe in a better world.
Is that really so bad? And if I really think that posts about suicide and killing ones family regardless of who "one" is, are in very bad taste and actually painful, psycologically painful. If I really think that I may very well react and try to make people realize that "the pen is mightier than the sword".
What I'm trying to say is that words CAN hurt and sometimes they hurt MORE than a physical blow to the head. And when I read comments like the "Roman scenario" I think to myself; Does it really matter WHO the target is? Be he/she the unwanted mongrel link between some darkside-of-the-moon-she-creature and a crackpot-beerbellied-Panamaregistered-sailor?
Does it matter that this crossbreed of the underworld come in here with a bad attitude and a general dislike to Infiltration?
Does he/she deserve comments like "the Roman scenario"?
I just know that most of you will say YES! and even HELL yes!
Personally I think you can go ahead and insult the living **** out of just about anyone but I draw the line just short of "the Roman scenario" type comments.
Will this in any way change the world?
Since I am a bit naive I think that perhaps it will. It might.
IF....

Peace (guess I'm beginning to know why I always write that at the end of my posts...)
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[Mojo.the.Red]

This is a bloody apathetic planet for which I have no sympathy towards those degenerates who take joy out of the torment of others. If they should choose to do that, then they should be responded too in kind. Its fine that I call him an over-abused freak-show reject, but Gryphon can't suggest he die? And before you go on about two wrongs don't make a right, I'll have you know they DO.

Consider:

-2 x -2 = +4

or

I didn't not do that. means I did do that.

In both instances, two negatives are used to clash directly with each other to create a positive outcome. See? Two wrongs do make a right

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[Cunubelin]

You draw the line when words change into action.
I draw the line earlier than you and I will speak out to that effect whenever I can.
Freedom of speech and all that.

About your mathematical little juggling act; You can make numbers prove any point you want. All you have to do is to present the numbers in your way.
The only problem is that the people in these forums are not numbers. Also, no matter how warped and twisted those same people have feelings. Quantify those if you can. You probably will just because it will tease the cynic in you.

You always say that it is peoples right to say, think and do waht they want until they cross a line that YOU have defined;
Do this, this is ok but if you do that then you have crossed my line and will be defined as the scum of the world, at best.
I'm saying the same thing, only earlier and without the caustic sarcasm.

This is my opinion and I'll try to stand by it to the best of my ability.
My opinion is;
I do NOT think it is OK to tell someone to kill himself and I don't care who says it, it is still wrong.
Your opinion differs from mine. Fine.
But accept the fact that I will continue to challenge such comments in the future.

Now this lamer, I, is signing off for the evening.

Peace
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[Casull]

It's amazing how many people lack the strength of character to form their own opinions, and therefore need continuous positive reinforcement from others. I truly believe that those who wish Bad Mojo were not allowed to voice his alledged opinions (no matter his motives) could stand to increase their level of self-esteem considerably.

He won't stop, or be stopped, and nor will the rest of the world. You're not in school any more, and there are no teachers to run to for protection. Grow up, trust your own beliefs, and either like or hate Bad Mojo et al. It doesn't matter.

Welcome to the harsh reality of free will.

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[Mojo.the.Red]

Well, see... I don't exactly like this guy (http://www.chick.com), because he's a conniving, hypocritical liar who twists the bible around. He insults Catholics (that's me), Mormons (BP and MM), Muslims, Jehova's Witnesses, Jews. Hell, he's got this one cartoon in which these "loving, Christian people" tell this little girl that she deserves to go to Hell when she's dying of whatever's killing her. Wonderful man. Kinda reminds me of Adolf Hitler.

I don't like it. In fact, I ****ing despise it. He manages to personally spit in my face, and the face of my friends. Is it hurtful? Hell yes it is. This man uses LIES and BASTARDIZATIONS OF SCRIPTURES to tell me MY ENTIRE ****ING FAMILY DESERVES TO GO TO HELL because I'm not his particular denomination of Protestant.

But he hasn't physically harmed me. He hasn't come up and killed my family. He hasn't crossed any line. As much as I ****ing despise this man's Nazi beliefs, and as much as I hate him for giving Christians everywhere a bad name, he's got a right to believe what he wants.

I don't like where I've drawn my line. Where I've drawn my line allows people to step all over my beliefs, and when people do that, I want to throttle them. But I don't. Because they have that right.

If we go for the Neo-Nazi books, if we go for the hateful literature, then what happens when somebody else, different from us, gets into power, and decides that OUR books are the hateful ones? That our movies, and our media, and our voices, and our opinions, are the hateful ones?

Where will YOUR line be drawn then?

I draw my line at freedom. Freedom to believe. Freedom to live. Freedom to speak. Freedom to express. Freedom to gather.

My line stops when somebody tries to cross over, and take those freedoms from others. If somebody harms somebody else, they're denying somebody else their liberties. Therefore, their own are void. I choose this stance not because I like it, but because I have to. Because of all the compromises that we're forced to make in this day and age, its the only one that makes sense. I would love to get rid of Neo-Nazis, simply have them all dead. Their hate poisons this world and only creates more hate. But what happens when we burn their swastikas? Their SS bolts? Their copies of Mein Kampf? What happens then when people begin to purify everything else? Will they come into our homes, and burn the flags of islam? The Catholic bible? The yarmulkes? Who will define this ideological purity? The WASPS?

I want a place where everybody is free to raise their opinion, because when it comes time to raise my voice, I don't want somebody from on high to place a gag around my mouth and tell me that mine is the voice of riot.

I want a place where a black man, a gay man, a Jewish man, can walk freely through a group of shaved-head KKK-wannabes spouting hate, and know that all they can do is speak intolerance, and not lay one finger on him. I want a world where people will always feel secure in their liberties, knowing that the only thing that can void their right to that is by taking away somebody elses. If they squelch a man, they squelch themselves. If they hurt or kill a man, they will be placed in a prison, or even executed in kind, if they are beyond reform or treatment. If they take a man's land, their land will be taken to compensate that man. Where people are free to decide their own morality, where people do not feel the yoke of a government straggling them every time they light up a joint or open a beer, or go out and get a prostitute. I don't do drugs, nor would I get a prostitute. But my morality isn't the morality of others. I am not the judge. I am not the one to send these people to Hell. I am not the one to slap these people on the wrist and say, "your morals are not my morals, therefore you are wrong."

I want no part of a society that uses coercion and fear tactics to force people to march around smiling and happy all the time. I want no part in a clockwork orange

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[the real pacman]

Well its true, if you can prance around and say what you please than it will have a negative outcome. People don't ****ing think about the effects that it will have on others or themselves after they say it.

Basicly, freedom of speech isn't really free.


"**** you officer!"
"You are under arrest you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attourney present, if you do not have an attourney or cannot have one present you will be provided one at the expense of all the hard working tax payers, everything you say can and will be used in a court of law, along with all the stuff we make up because we hate little pukes like you."

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[Dragon]

Ok, so I guess it's time for me to say something seeing that you seem to think it was wrong for me to close that post.

Well... It's simple really. Posts like that are put up to cause trouble and that's it. I have been in this forum for a couple of years now and all of the sudden there are a ton of people coming here causing problems. I have never seen so many trouble makers in here. With that said I didn't really think that a post like that needed to continue. What would be the point. Do you really think that it is a good topic? You your self said that people shouldn't reply to posts like that, I just helped it happen.

Flaming is BS and I as a team member will not stand for it being done to this mod or any other! If that post would have said "TO sux my knob" I would have do the same thing. There is no need for it! We all work to hard to have some dumb a s s, never had a goal, live with my mom, limp d i ck, my balls haven't droped yet, trash talking wana be, try to tell us that our mod sucks! You know why? Because most if not all couldn't make a mod for pong!

If you don't agree well that's your right to do so but as we now know Hip Hop is a trouble maker and that is what he was doing, Making trouble. I am tierd of it and many others here are also. This place use to be a great place for discussions but now it seem to be over run with people trying to show how big a D I C K they can be.K

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And I stand firm with that.

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[Dragon]

Thank you for proving my point Megaman /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[the real pacman]

I don't mind TO that much, although if I had to name my favorite 10 mods, TO wouldn't be in it. Its not awful, just not for me. See if you say it sucks your knob then you really aren't looking at it. Graphically, its nice, gameplay its nice, fun factor, just as good, according to me, I just don't like it.

If someone wants to bash a mod (other than SWAT) show me that you can do better and all will be forgiven, till then....

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[Mojo.the.Red]

I stand by my beliefs that TO is the third (and possibly fourth) anti-christ.

Theft. Lies. Unoriginality. Talentless. Flowless. Vile and wretched.

My throat constricts upon muttering its name. I'd rather condemn myself to eternal Hell by contracting every venerial disease possible from the Whore of Babylon than install that bug ridden (but its okay, right? Cause its a beta?) piece of code on the spinning platters of my hard drive.

And, for all you naysayers, I *COULD* make a better mod myself. All I'd need to do is mix equal parts human feces and pupaetic maggots together, and I'm sure it would be more entertaining and original (plus, it makes its own sounds, so I wouldn't need to take sound effects from Half-Life to make it work.)

That is my review.

Quite.

If anybody has a problem with it, tough. You can fawn and fondle and carress and suck off all you want, with your heads up your goddam asses, but I will not fear the sound of my own voice or the prose of my written word.

Oh, and B... if you still have that "screenshot", do send it to me... I miss it very much

Its easy to ride the coat tails of fame. Its easy to hide beneath somebody else's innovations. Sure, magazines give it good reviews, but these same magazines have pictures of "Killcreek" dressed up in black bra and panties with the word "slut" written on her fake breasts plastered all over their cover. Their word is as genuinely intelligent as their sales pitch. I think I'll pass and think for myself. I admire innovation over doing the same damn thing over and over.

Remember, without its rarity, gold is worthless.

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[the real pacman]

Well than now I don't feel like a total idiot for hating it and I don't have to bull**** my way out of saying it... I would rather pour apple juice on my box than download that ****ing ****.

But I do know that I can't do any better.

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[Dragon]

Ahh Mojo always the blunt one! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well ok so TO was a bad example. How about SF they haven't used things from other games, at least not that I know of.

I guess all I wanted to say was that I have respect for anyone that takes the time to produce new games for free for people like us whether it sucks or not, and I don't like to see people bash them when most of them are to dumb to do anything close to it. That's all!!

I know that you two agree! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Well maybe not when it comes to TO /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifÒ

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