Criteria for locking posts

The reason Mojo´s threads are still open is that he posts with humor, also, he doesent atack anyone without them atacking him first, witch is fair IMO.

Hip Hop´s thread had no humor, no constructiveness (is that a word?), no political statement and was only intended to piss people off.
AKA- got locked.

I know why the team delites or lock threads, but i´ll let it up to their desretion to inform u.

Frankly, im disapointed with u cunubelin /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


HEAD SLAYER GOAT of the Black Hand BMA tribe.

GF, I think you put it quite well. I haven't seen Mojo's thread lately, and thus I didn't know what was in there about suicide and whatnot. However threads that get locked or deleted usually share one thing in common - they are all TROLLS.

For those unfamiliar with the term, a TROLL is a message (or person posting such messages) strictly intended to draw other forum-goers into a debate or argument, or make tempers flare. Some say the term originated from the 'troll under the bridge', others say it's derived from 'trolling for fish' in the sense that the poster is trolling for a rebuttal.

Mojo's threads remain open mainly because he has an amazing literary talent and injects a measure of wit and humor to these forums. Semi-intelligent discussions (dare I go that far) are usually the outcome, and all one needs do is put forth a legitimate complaint and the thread can be considered for closure. But if you get drawn into a debate with Mojo and start losing, that doesn't count. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hopefully this clears it a bit. If someone wants to argue this point (politely and constructively), go ahead. I'm an open-minded person.

I have not locked Bad.Mojos thread because I was too busy laughing when I read it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I did not notice anything about suicide in there either.

There are things that do not get locked in the Off-Topic forum that would in the other forums.

Like Gryphon said, mainly what we lock here is the worthless troll posts. People who are here just to start trouble or post for the flame affect only should expect their posts to be locked.

Shan

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OK, I'm really glad Mojo is back, because he always brings in some fun and wit into the forum. Still I have to admit that I agree with Cunubelin about the 'retard'-post.

The following is taken directly out of this thread:

"The next time you want to add such an inane comment to what is otherwise a fruitful discussion, write it in your own blood on the wall instead. Veins already opened, set yourself in a nice warm tub and put down a few bottles of red wine. A nice Roman way to exit the world. You'll also be doing the paramedics a favor, since cleanup won't be too difficult. Consider it the one useful thing you've done with your life."

It is from one of Gryphons posts; now just don't tell me it was no suggestion to commit suicide. Of course, I guess, it was all fun, but not everybody thinks suicide is funny, and I'm among these.

And wheter or not the rest of the thread was senseless or not is up to the historians. It sure was funny sometimes. But was it that more sensible than anyone posting 'make this like CS'?

Snakeye /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

I have had 3 freinds comit suicide and lost others in even more unpleasent ways, and its a serious thing, no doubt.

But i think that one was funny, and cant see any harm in it!, u realy think anyone would follow up on that sugestion?
IMO, more nasty things were said in that thread, but none of witch i felt was delitable (definetly not a word, but hey...).


HEAD SLAYER GOAT of the Black Hand BMA tribe.

I don't exactly agree with how Gryphon worded that either, but I'm definitely not going to lose sleep over it. However, please read this thread:

http://unreal.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=10009422&f=16609262&m=207096972

before you decide to defend another "CS fanatic". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Seriously, I do appreciate your concerns, but I think there is a large difference between the vocal disturbances that spill out of Mojo, versus that which comes from opinionated individuals who lack common sense, dignity, and decency, but then can't understand why they have to accept the consequences for their own actions because they obviously never had to before.

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Oh, THAT. I meant it completely in jest, although of course over the internet no one can see you wink. I'm glad some found humor in it, as that's what it was intended for. Please, nobody here commit suicide okay? Thanks. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There is, and I admit, a point where free speech ends.

A man in a white hood stands in Alabama and says "I hate niggers".

That's free speech. As much as we hate it, we have only the right to hate him back for it.

A man in a white hood stands in Harlem shooting a gun in the air while children go off to school and says "I hate niggers".

Guess what. Your free speech just ended. The man in Alabama, as ignorant as he is, is only harming his reputation. The man in Harlem stands to harm many innocent people based on his ignorance, and needs to be responded to with unrestrained and equal force.

So, now that we've drawn parallels, lets pull this into the internet world.

A man on the internet posts stories of pedophilia. As disgusting as we all find this, they're just stories. Just like a writer who puts scenes of rape or murder into his books, this man is no more guilty of pedophilia than the writer is of rape or murder. And as much as we may not like it, we must accept this.

If the man, however, posts pictures of child pornography, then he says sickeningly violated the rights of innocent children and needs to be brought down. While some people may say this man is having his rights encroached on, lets face it, its not true. Children have no reason to concent to sex. First and foremost, they are not physical mature. They don't produce sperm, achieve erection, ovulate, or have breasts to feed their offspring, nor do they have the mental maturity to understand the implications of sex, the pregnancies, the diseases, et al. Therefore, he is breaking the law.

And since Gryphon was only stating his opinion (whether he's on the team or not is irrelevant... he has as much right to post his opinion as everybody else, and quite frankly, I'd rather have a human with real feelings and real opinions, capable of mistakes, working on the team than some freaky, cold, hard robots) and doing nothing criminal, what is wrong with it? Certainly, we have the right to criticize, but why should we coerce a human being into uttering an apology he does not believe in simply for stating his opinion?

And, so you know, I have told the team that deleting peoples posts is unfair, and that I don't believe in it, in no uncertain terms. I think everybody knows how I feel about censorship.

The problem is not the people stating their idiot opinions. Its how you respond to them. Ultimately (and I have said this before) you are your own censor. You don't need a moderator, or a censors board, or an editor to tell you whats okay for you to see on the net or on tv or in the newspapers and periodicals. You need only go to another site or close your browser, change the channel or turn off the television, go to another article or put the paper down.

Its that you give the people exactly what they want -- you give them the infuriated response these underdeveloped maggots need and crave like the malformed, socially stunted cretins they are.

Its not that these people can't control themselves, its that YOU PEOPLE can't control YOURSELVES, and therefore beg for the need to have both you and them controlled. And then you bitch about it. If you must argue, argue constructively. Make valid, purposeful statements based in reality. Inject them with wit and humour to keep them lively. If you're completely opinionated, you infuriate them and other people. If you're totally sterile, people lose interest. Mix them up a bit, and you have a valid, interesting factual arguement that can't be debated since the proof is irrefutable.

Don't write to the book publisher just cause you don't like the book

Oh, and one more thing.

Quite frankly, anybody who's stupid enough to take a suggestion from somebody they've never met before over a forum on the internet and actually goes out and kills themselves deserves to die.

I have a little saying, "If you're stupid enough to drink gasoline, you deserve what you get."

When posting, we need to think off a little thing called Karma!, now for u who think Karma is some newage mumbojumbo, let me translate it. Karma means Action-Reaction, Newton just reinvented Karma.

If u post "I hate u all, and i wisch u were dead!", u´d get a reply in that same tone.

But if u instead post "I love u all, youre the best!" Thats the tone u will get in turn!

I cant for the love of god understand that people cant see the logic in that, and get pissed when they get bad Karma in return for theirs!
What have i missed?


HEAD SLAYER GOAT of the Black Hand BMA tribe.

You missed the part where the world became populated with 6 billion idiots when you weren't looking.

Unfortunedly, i can only agree with you Mojo /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


HEAD SLAYER GOAT of the Black Hand BMA tribe.

This is a bloody apathetic planet for which I have no sympathy towards those degenerates who take joy out of the torment of others. If they should choose to do that, then they should be responded too in kind. Its fine that I call him an over-abused freak-show reject, but Gryphon can't suggest he die? And before you go on about two wrongs don't make a right, I'll have you know they DO.

Consider:

-2 x -2 = +4

or

I didn't not do that. means I did do that.

In both instances, two negatives are used to clash directly with each other to create a positive outcome. See? Two wrongs do make a right

It's amazing how many people lack the strength of character to form their own opinions, and therefore need continuous positive reinforcement from others. I truly believe that those who wish Bad Mojo were not allowed to voice his alledged opinions (no matter his motives) could stand to increase their level of self-esteem considerably.

He won't stop, or be stopped, and nor will the rest of the world. You're not in school any more, and there are no teachers to run to for protection. Grow up, trust your own beliefs, and either like or hate Bad Mojo et al. It doesn't matter.

Welcome to the harsh reality of free will.

Well, see... I don't exactly like this guy, because he's a conniving, hypocritical liar who twists the bible around. He insults Catholics (that's me), Mormons (BP and MM), Muslims, Jehova's Witnesses, Jews. Hell, he's got this one cartoon in which these "loving, Christian people" tell this little girl that she deserves to go to Hell when she's dying of whatever's killing her. Wonderful man. Kinda reminds me of Adolf Hitler.

I don't like it. In fact, I ****ing despise it. He manages to personally spit in my face, and the face of my friends. Is it hurtful? Hell yes it is. This man uses LIES and BASTARDIZATIONS OF SCRIPTURES to tell me MY ENTIRE ****ING FAMILY DESERVES TO GO TO HELL because I'm not his particular denomination of Protestant.

But he hasn't physically harmed me. He hasn't come up and killed my family. He hasn't crossed any line. As much as I ****ing despise this man's Nazi beliefs, and as much as I hate him for giving Christians everywhere a bad name, he's got a right to believe what he wants.

I don't like where I've drawn my line. Where I've drawn my line allows people to step all over my beliefs, and when people do that, I want to throttle them. But I don't. Because they have that right.

If we go for the Neo-Nazi books, if we go for the hateful literature, then what happens when somebody else, different from us, gets into power, and decides that OUR books are the hateful ones? That our movies, and our media, and our voices, and our opinions, are the hateful ones?

Where will YOUR line be drawn then?

I draw my line at freedom. Freedom to believe. Freedom to live. Freedom to speak. Freedom to express. Freedom to gather.

My line stops when somebody tries to cross over, and take those freedoms from others. If somebody harms somebody else, they're denying somebody else their liberties. Therefore, their own are void. I choose this stance not because I like it, but because I have to. Because of all the compromises that we're forced to make in this day and age, its the only one that makes sense. I would love to get rid of Neo-Nazis, simply have them all dead. Their hate poisons this world and only creates more hate. But what happens when we burn their swastikas? Their SS bolts? Their copies of Mein Kampf? What happens then when people begin to purify everything else? Will they come into our homes, and burn the flags of islam? The Catholic bible? The yarmulkes? Who will define this ideological purity? The WASPS?

I want a place where everybody is free to raise their opinion, because when it comes time to raise my voice, I don't want somebody from on high to place a gag around my mouth and tell me that mine is the voice of riot.

I want a place where a black man, a gay man, a Jewish man, can walk freely through a group of shaved-head KKK-wannabes spouting hate, and know that all they can do is speak intolerance, and not lay one finger on him. I want a world where people will always feel secure in their liberties, knowing that the only thing that can void their right to that is by taking away somebody elses. If they squelch a man, they squelch themselves. If they hurt or kill a man, they will be placed in a prison, or even executed in kind, if they are beyond reform or treatment. If they take a man's land, their land will be taken to compensate that man. Where people are free to decide their own morality, where people do not feel the yoke of a government straggling them every time they light up a joint or open a beer, or go out and get a prostitute. I don't do drugs, nor would I get a prostitute. But my morality isn't the morality of others. I am not the judge. I am not the one to send these people to Hell. I am not the one to slap these people on the wrist and say, "your morals are not my morals, therefore you are wrong."

I want no part of a society that uses coercion and fear tactics to force people to march around smiling and happy all the time. I want no part in a clockwork orange

People have too much damn freedom

Well its true, if you can prance around and say what you please than it will have a negative outcome. People don't ****ing think about the effects that it will have on others or themselves after they say it.

Basicly, freedom of speech isn't really free.


"**** you officer!"
"You are under arrest you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attourney present, if you do not have an attourney or cannot have one present you will be provided one at the expense of all the hard working tax payers, everything you say can and will be used in a court of law, along with all the stuff we make up because we hate little pukes like you."


Sometimes I feel like you want me to fail...

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