Do you think Al Gore should concede?

[Rabid-pitbull]

Should Al Gore conced his race for the US Presidency?

[Alpha_9]

Should have done it weeks ago...


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[the real pacman]

I think Al Gore should die.

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[ThunderChunky]

I hope he doesn't...

That way he can look like the biggest jackass in the world, kill all of his chances of running in the next election, and no one will ever have to look at his political self again.

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[jaeg]

No, why should he? Bush has just as much obligation to concede as Gore does.

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[ThunderChunky]

Bush has more votes... :D

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[jaeg]

Come on. 500 extra votes out of 260 billion? Clearly something needs to be done here. Nobody has won.

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[ThunderChunky]

If Bush has more votes in Florida, he gets the electoral votes, thus he gets the presidency. Those 500 votes give Bush the victory. Gore is currently the loser, and Bush the winner. It would be sort of weird for the winner to concede, wouldn't it?

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[jaeg]

Technically Florida can decide who gets their votes however they want. As long as it's a public election. They could say, split votes, if they wanted to.

I'm just saying that, all politics aside, this is a bad situation to be in. When Bush wins, everyone will feel like they really didn't want to elect him - a weak President. If Gore wins(doubtful from day 1), everyone will believe he "cheated" his way in. Again, he would be a very weak president. Neither should concede because, well they should be able to do everything they can to win.

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[ThunderChunky]

The votes go to whoever the electors (chosen by the party who wins the election) choose. In theory, they could split the vote, but in actuality that happening is extremely strong as the Republican Party faithful are probably being lined up for this one... And I don't think that the Democratic Party has set up any infiltrators into the conservative ranks to rig the electoral college... :D

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[jaeg]

This isn't about political beliefs. I just don't believe that Bush has won any more than Gore has. Technically, Bush has/will won. This whole ordeal is degrading the office of the President and the entire country itself. Gore pulling out would further weaken the situation and thereby the entire country.

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[ThunderChunky]

Withdrawing from the race might save any chance of redeeming dignity that Gore has. Right now, he comes across as some jackass who is trying to get the will of the people in the State of Florida overturned in a courtroom. If he's intelligent, he should chalk this one up to a loss and try again in four years running under the platform that he should have won before and it is time for redemption.

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[jaeg]

No, Gore withdrawing would make the Democrats that much weaker for 4 years. That's how these things go. As for the "will of the people", don't forget that Gore has the popular vote hands down. I agree with you about the jackass image. However don't forget there are major discrepancies about the vote right now. Like the 5000 Bush votes that were tossed out in my home county. He DOES have a good case.

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[ThunderChunky]

Correct. It would make the democrats weaker for four years. But after that, if Gore plays his cards right, he will be a much stronger candidate. He can claim that he won the popular vote four years ago, not only trying to invalidate Bush as an incumbent, but also as a possible reform to the electoral college.

As for the vote discrepancies, there will always be some. I will am almost positive that there is ablsolutely no county, save some northern New England town, where the vote was done flawlessly. Trying to make the vote "perfect" is useless.

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[jaeg]

Only one president has ever done that and won the second time around(Nixon). Obviously he got elected but under less-than-ideal circumstances(Vietnam). Clearly this election is not just the power of the Democrats, but the power of the party as a whole. Congress is the main focus of power now and that is where they would take the hit. Not a good battle plan for the Dems, especially with the massive amount of appointments within the executive (not to mention the Supreme Court) coming up the next 4 years.

As for the vote count...when 500 is the spread, miscounts which are often of 200, 300 and 5000 DO make the difference. Fair election is the goal here.

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[ThunderChunky]

No other president in recent history, however, has won the popular vote but still lost the election. He is, therefore, the "people's choice." This opens up a lot of doors for Mr. Gore, assuming he can stay on the good side of the American public, such as appearing like a graceful loser than a individual who will stop at nothing to win. As long as he stays in the political spot light, either through other public office, or just helping old ladies across the street, he could make another shot plausible.

From the way it looks, Gore is going to lose. The most recent court cases have been ruling against him. Gore needs to figure out when to get off of his sinking ship and build a new and better one. He's got the ammunition, but only if he doesn't sink himself.

The whole thing with the recounts is that the State of Florida has certified that it is putting its electoral votes toward Bush, even after the recounts. To try to overturn this in a Court of Law (which supposedly the purpose is to interpret laws, not legislate from the bench) just doesn't seem right.

I don't think either candidate, no matter who wins, will stand a chance at reelection in four years unless they prove themselves to be really spectacular.

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[jaeg]

I agree throughy.

Except that 4 presidents in the 19th century won the popular but lost the electorial.

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[ThunderChunky]

I don't quite qualify the 1800s as recent history... :D

It's a shame this had to come to such a peaceful end... :D

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[jaeg]

Aww geez. Now I feel the need to stir up controversy.

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[ThunderChunky]

LIBERALS SUCK!!! :D

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[jaeg]

No, you've got it all wrong...

American liberals rule!!!

(European liberals scare me :) )

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[ThunderChunky]

American liberals scare me too...

I'll keep Papa government out of as many parts of my life as I can...

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[jaeg]

Lemme guess, you live in a rural area?

(I'm not calling you a hick :) )

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[ThunderChunky]

Product of suburbia...

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[jaeg]

Look outside...do you see streets, public eudcation buldings, safe automobiles, police officers "keeping the peace", fire/rescue services, people who are now successful after using a governement loan to go to college...etc

Much of the funding for these sorts of things came from the federal government through grants to local governments.

How can you possibly want a federal government that feels no need to protect the welfare of its citizens?

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[ThunderChunky]

However, I don't need the government telling me they can plan for my retirement better than I can. I don't need them telling me that I can't own a gun because only law enforcement people need guns. I don't need the government supporting programs which have been bloated by misuse and abuse with my tax dollars. I don't need the government funding its own beureucracy of bean counters, again with my tax dollars.

The smaller the government, the more effective it is.

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[Gryphon]

Gore should concede and give the American people what they want. Take a look at this.

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[Lance201]

and this p... o... s... Mr. Bush junior will become the next president of the US, I will be afraid of the US again like I was when I was a young Soldier in the 80s and you got this awfull thing called Ronald Reagan.... Btw. do you think Texas will beat the record in killing people by the state this year??? Bush should be called king of the hill, father of the rednecks!

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[I_ABuGa]

geez, jaeg and ThunderC have too much time on their hands. As for that pic Gryphon just shared, where the heck did you get that?

Anywho, referring to Jaeg's and ThunderC's comment on Gore giving up, whatever the outcome it will not look good for Gore. If he looses this round he will need a very good hand to play cards with the next round coming. His only chance is to win, now, and he knows this well. That's why he's trying so hard.

[MiscMan]

I have to point out that the MODERATE democrats are having some problems that should have been resolved a while ago. Gore did concede, sort of, but only after being told he had lost by the TV media. He later retracted that as the vote was still in dispute. Gore has every right to ask for a recount. Florida has had problems FOR YEARS AND YEARS with elections. No recount was asked previously by either candidate either. I'm not going to repeat myself here, but i believe that Gore is justified in asking for a simple hand recount. It's not like it would end the world that maybe, just maybe, more people actually made their vote for Gore. Maybe more people voted for Bush, i don't know, and we will never know. All because Bush is so arrogant and inexperienced. Pitiful, really.

Btw, the Republicans are also fairly MODERATE. The Green party is VERY liberal. The Constitution party is VERY conservative. Though i consider myself more of a liberal, i also believe in states rights. But hey, i'm not campaigning.

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