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[Eliwar]

ok, since Gryphon is to proud to ask for help I'll set this thing all up. Gryphon needs about $2000 canadian for rent and sh1t. If he doesn't get any money now, he will have to sell Gillian, his most prized rifle. Since he has no job he doesn't have the immediate cash to pay for stuff, this is the only way to sustain himself. He has put over $3000 dollars into Gillian but would be lucky to get $1500.

I would like every regular here to pitch in $30 for gryphon. He can't go without his guns, so we must save him. We owe it to him for keeping everyone one on the INF team in check.
And this is serious, if you say you would send money, you will send it. no deedless sympithetic bullsh1ting.

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[Eliwar]

oh and I will be handing out some cash too. it will be sent when gryphon sends his address. I will order him to. he must obey :p

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[Mojo.the.Red]

Children starve to death every day. Millions of people are opressed by despots in third world countries where finding enough f'ucking bread to put on their table is a genuine exercise in survival. Women's rights are violated in middle-eastern nations where they're stoned to death for not dressing the way they're told. Innocent, peaceful supporters are shot to death in Mexico because they believe in land and liberty for their people.

Yet you, you have the balls to come here, you have the bile-rising testicular fortitude to come out here and beg we fork over more money than would be needed from each of us to stop these atrocities to one man, one man who wanted an AR-15 on an armoured security guard's salary and is now paying the penalty for it. You want us to fork over money because Gryphon is between jobs? Jesus God Christ Almighty help us. Gryphon wanted that rifle. He got that rifle. He paid for that rifle. And now he will have to sell that rifle to support himself. Had he not spent the money on the rifle, he could be currently spending some saved-up money on his rent, on his food, on his room and board. Plenty of less fortunate people would love that rifle just to sell it for fifty dollars so that their family may for once have a decent goddam meal and you dare step up here and ask me to be a goddam charity to a man who deserves no more charity than I do? I worked ten-dollars-an-hour shifts too. I had to get rid of a 5k+ computer cause I could no longer afford it. Where was the charity then? NOWHERE. Because I made my own situation. Because I selected my actions, and because of my actions I suffered consequences, as all actions must inevitably have. So tough. It is such a thing called responsibility. Even Gryphon himself said it -- he made his bed, now he must lie in it. Were not his words: "I got myself into this **** in the first place so I should dig myself out. I can always get more guns." (Censorship due to nazis at SF). Yes, he can get more guns. If his most prized object in life is a simple heap of metal and mechanics, then the lad should reevaluate his priorities -- how about love, compassion, piousness, righteousness, sympathy?

I shall be no goddam charity to the spoiled son of a western society lying upon a brief tide of hard times. I shall not give of myself what I would not want given to me. I shall not suffer myself to give to a man who wants no charity to begin with. There shall be no donations.

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[Eliwar]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>how about love, compassion...sympathy? [/quote]

you could work with those too, my friend

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[This message was edited by Darkliege on Dec 10, 2000 at 02:30.]

[LordSpoon]

ow!
mojo is right though - some people dont even have a rifle to sell.

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**** **** off

[Mojo.the.Red]

I give no love to those who deserve none. I give no sympathy to those who deserve none. I give no compassion to those who deserve none. I demonstrate no righteousness to those who deserve none. I demonstrate no piousness to those who deserve none.

Vengeance is mine. No flesh shall be spared.

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[Alpha_9]

Mojo, if you had a friend who needed a helping hand at one point, even if it was his own fault, wouldn't you see what you could do? Still, you do make some good points, I can't entirely disagree with you. And I doubt Gryphon would take any donations from INF fans anyway.


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"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

John Donne

[Gryphon]

Yeah, much as I appreciate the gesture fellas, I really couldn't. I don't exactly agree with Mojo's choice of words but he's essentially right. I turned down Darkliege in IRC and I should do the same here. I just wouldn't feel right taking in donations from you guys.

It's my hole, I have to dig myself out of it. Hopefully I can get a decent amount of cash from my guns and get back on my feet. I'd try and sell something else, but my guns are my most valuable so they'll bring in the kind of profit I need. I can always get more guns later.

Thanks again guys.

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[I_ABuGa]

dammit mojo, why cant you help those that you can help? Its easier to help someone you know and care about then a faceless joe, its a fact, that's why people dont give a sh't. (i somehow feel like I'm gonna get a tongue lash from mojo for the first part of that last sentence)

BTW, I regularly donate to various chritable causes even if its just a few bucks (Malaysian currency is kinda pathetic when you change it over to USD).

Hey, Gryphon, a friend in need is a friend indeed. You need help, you can ask your friends coz we are your friends and we care. I wont give you a donation since it'll not be the right thing to do (apart from making you feel like a begger), want a loan? When you get back on your feet you can pay me back. That way you wont feel guilty about it... not too much at least. :)

[Ignato]

Gryphon, check your email.

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[Mojo.the.Red]

I don't help any of my friends with material needs. I give them advice and council, but I don't give them charity.

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[I_ABuGa]

A loan isnt charity, is it?

[Lance201]

look at my reply to your post Gryphon. I don´t know any hungry people by myself but I do a lot donations at christmas so no one can blame me! So if it is true what you are telling Gryphon and this here is a real community a real network itis absolutly normal to help each other. And I think you don't need my advice, but you need some money. So come on guys let us help him!!!!!!!

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