From 95 to ME

[Zundfolge]

Well I could use a little advice.

I've got myself a copy of Windows ME OEM addition (no goofy upgrade patches for me damnit) and I'm gonna replace Windows 95 with ME.

I've got a PIII450 w/128M and 2 hard drives (total of 10 or so Gig) and a Voodoo3 3000.

Will the installer also reformat my hard drives to FAT 32? or do I need to use some other program to do that? And can I have it only reformat one of the drives and still use the other drive for a while before reformatting?

What I want to do is reformat my C drive, and install WinME on it and work out all the drivers and crap before reformatting the second drive (which I'm moving a lot of stuff from the C drive as a backup, things like email address book and internet favorites and stuff like that).

I'll probably be doing all this either this week or next weekend. So if I disappear for a while, you'll know why (well actually I post from work a lot so if I have problems I won't really disappear)

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[the real pacman]

Well Zund, you now have FAT (aka FAT16), Windows 98 runs on FAT 32. Windows ME is NTFS I think. Otherwise it is FAT32. What will happen is you will have to manually format.

When you do, the installer will convert you to the 32 bit file system. But let me recommend not installing ME.

At least not yet. I installed Windows ME OEM, and it only took a month for my hard drive to almost explode. I seems that the ISA support (if you have any ISA cards) is weak, printer support isn't there, and they made it so simple... its confusing. It doesn't use DOS, it uses a command interpreter emulator, less software support, and the NTFS file system. (NTFS is the only thing ME has going good for it)

At work we had to build an ME box for the techs. It was so problematic that in the past 5 months the OS had to be installed 6 times and 3 new hard drives.

Think about this before you install.

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[Zundfolge]

Well, too late I installed ME.

However I haven't done the FAT32 conversion yet, so I may hold off for a bit on that (so I can go back to Win95 if I have too)

Weird thing is that it didn't install the FAT32 conversion program. So I had to copy it off one of the Win98 machines at work.

Also, I wanted to do a clean install, but instead it did an upgrade install (kept all my old windows settings, like window color and desktop wallpaper, I expected it to erase the windows folder before installation but it didn't)
Oh well, this way now my USB ports work, so I can snag the CD burner from work and take it home and back up all my sh*t :)

I'll let you know if I have any problems with it (is there a service pack out for it yet?)

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[Dupre]

Windows ME can run on both a FAT16 and FAT32, and I recommend the switch to FAT32 as soon as possible. FAT32 outperforms FAT16 like you would never believe. It does not use NTFS. NTFS is strictly NT and 2000.

If you want to do a clean install, nuke everything off the drive and then do the Windows ME install. If you have a system disk made by 95 OSR 2 or 98, use that to prep the drive with FAT32 and you won't have to worry about converting the drive later. Make sure you back up everything important before doing this.

I don't believe there's a SP for Windows ME yet; they barely got one out for Windows 2000. But go ahead and check anyways using the Windows Upgrade icon or just browse the Microsoft website.

Yes, ISA support is weak because Microsoft is mothballing the interface (the whole industry is). DOS is gone but why would you use it anyway? Also, the interface is nothing that NT or 2000 users aren't used too, and Microsoft is eventually trying to merge the 95 line into 2000 anyway (Whistler is next).

The real benefit of ME is a much faster bootup. Since manufacturers are still scrambling to release solid, reliable drivers, my general rule of thumb is upgrade to ME if you haven't upgraded to 98 SE yet. Otherwise, you're not missing much.

[Zundfolge]

Well coming from Windows 95 OSR A I think anything would be faster.

I've noticed a slightly faster startup, but with active desktop on it takes longer to startup then Win95. However when I went back to LiteStep for my shell, I noticed a significant improvement system wide.

I think I'm gonna get another Harddrive, they are cheap now, and I need the space (can pick up a 40GB for next to nothing these days)

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[the real pacman]

Its not so much the speed that outperforms. Its the fact that you can get so much more space out of it. Stop praising ME whoever you are, its ****ign evil. Go with BeOS plain and simple. It rocks ME anyday.

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[Zundfolge]

I'd go Linux before BeOS

:)

but I'm gonna make this ME thing work ifn I gots to kill somebody :mad:

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[the real pacman]

BeOS is based on UNIX same with Linux, its relaivly the same. If you go for linux go for Slackware.

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[Zundfolge]

yeah, I gots slackware on a CD somewhere around here.

I'd be on Linux in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the fact that most of the software I use to put food on the table is either Windows or Mac (Illustrator, Photoshop, QuarkXPress, that kinda thing)

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[Dupre]

BeOS is not based on UNIX. It's a new operating system written from the ground up for Intel and PowerPC processors that inherently supports multimedia aspects and multiple processors. It's in its fifth version yet still lacks major support from the computer industry manufacturers.

[the real pacman]

You gets yo motha ****`n ass outta heah! You think you is awll dat $hiot when youz aint. Get you pastrami eating white piece of **** niggah praisin ass outta this thread. Niggah you is lucky I don't bust you right heah.

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[Dupre]

Errrrright. Trying to "flex nutz" or "pimp da shiz"? Dammmmmmn, brutha. Dat's jist all yo' had to say?? Trying to talk all that. Are you trying to be a ghetto-wannabe or something? You're just some guy hopped up on too many rap songs and mistake that for any true soul a brother can have. Get your fake crap out of my face. And while you're at it, stop spouting your wrong ****.

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---Dupre
BeOS _is_ a crossplatform Unix derivitave. Look at the file systems and the CLI box if you want any more proof.

-Pacman
What version of Beos are you using, is the free version worth downloading? Whats the install like? (I havent installed it - only used it in college)
thanks :)

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[Dupre]

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Everything you wanted to know about the history of BeOS. You'll note in there that the underlying code of the operating system is original and has no roots to UNIX. It doesn't use any codebase from the UNIX file system. Its kernel was developed originally for optimal use on a Hobbit processor and not a Sun. The reason why it "looks" like UNIX is because they took the best features from Mac, PC, and UNIX for the user interface, but the underlying architecture is not UNIX at all.

It's like if you took a Ford F-150 body off of a truck and put it on a Chevy 1500 chassis. Is it a Ford or a Chevy? It's still a Chevy because all the core components that make it run (i.e. engine, suspension, drive train, etc.) are Chevy. You can argue all day that it's a Ford but it will still perform like a Chevy.

In that same argument, would a Linux box running a Windows GUI be considered Windows? I wouldn't think so.

I support BeOS and I even have links to their website on my home page. I think it's a great operating system and a definite alternative to Windows. But it isn't UNIX.

[the real pacman]

Its based on UNIX, leave it at that, you said it yourself. They took unix, PC and MacOS. The majority of what they took was taken from the UNIX platform, thus based on UNIX more than anything. I have version 4. Mind you I have only installed it once. I didn't have any problems with it although again, it lacked the software support.

As for the ebonics, I have been told that I should be more black. I hate ****** music, and you along side with it.

The free download should be half decent. I didn't get it from there, I downloaded it off a warez FTP, although it very well may be the free download.

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[Dupre]

It still isn't UNIX.

And as far as I'm concerned, you need to grow up a lot. Or you can live forever on your backwaters island. I really don't care. You're rude. A lot of other people here think you're rude. You rarely have anything decent to say. You never have anything worth reading about. You're a racist; you said so yourself. I hate racists, and you along with them. Quite frankly, at your best, you're just a fine waste of other people's time.

[the real pacman]

Actually if you would have the time to read about this stuff I claimed I wasn't. I said I hate anyone of any color of any religion that refuses to adapt to comtemporary society. I don't know where you get racial with that, but whatever. Linux isn't unix, its a derrivation. Thus its incorrect to say its based on UNIX? You have no mental conception here.

Also on a greater note, this isn't a backwater island. There are more tourists here than anywhere in north america. So I can't see it as baron or "backwater".

If I was rude and didn't care what I said, why would I recoment to Zundfolge that he not install ME because of problems we had here at work. I told him that sticking with 98SE would be a good idea, although staying with 95 would probably cause problems.

I get along fine with alot of people here, just the stupid people that have 155 posts that only jump into a thread to pick and nick when we argue annoy me. If you didn't notice I'm pointing a finger directly at you. Sure some people have problems with me, but as a general facious its only idiots that I prove wrong that complain about it.

Tell me how I'm racist because under the conditions of a specific police case I think that someone was NOT wrongfully convicted. While a group of my peers thinks otherwise. STOP THE TAPE! THIS GUY IS RACIST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T AGREE!! Thats stupid. I have support from other people that don't think so.

So please, define racism and how I apply to it, then we can continue this discussion, other than that keep your immature comments to yourself.

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[Dupre]

BeOS is not based on UNIX. BeOS.. not Linux.. BEEEEEEE-OS. Not LEEEEEEN-X. I only nick pick your filthy crap when you're wrong. You can't handle being wrong, can you? Can't accept that. Change the topic, introduce racial issues, deflect the discussion, but no.. you can't handle the fact you were just plain WRONG. Maybe you didn't get laid this week or maybe you haven't ever been laid. Maybe your dog got run over by some backwaters islander. Maybe you broke a toenail or ate some bad cabbage. I don't care. Sounds like you have a personal problem with being wrong. Whoopie. I don't care. Sounds like you're begging for attention and want to change every discussion into something about race. Find a hobby, collect stamps, put a gun to your head. I don't care.

Oh, so I see level of intelligence is based on how many posts one has on the Infiltration message board? Good Lord. Forget the IQ system; let's adopt Pacman's Infiltration posts intelligence test. Oh, I see. When you pass 1000 posts, you're a genius? If you equate wisdom and intelligence to the number of posts, then you better start posting and clicking until you have enough to graduate kindergarten. "What Mr. Principal? But.. but I thought these posts factored into my grades." Sheesh.

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Need anything else to remind you that you're a racist? You said so yourself.

Rant all you want. Talk all you want. Zundfolge got the right facts from me, and my job is done. Hopefully, he'll have Windows ME running smoothly on his machine and hopefully later Unreal Tournament with Infiltration as well. Saying Windows ME runs NTFS.. man, you crack me up.