What's Up with Vegitarians

[RogueLeader]

Am I the only one getting tired of vegitarians? My school can't serve real meat for lunch anymore, despite the fact that its been proven that meat has no negative health effects, and that a majority of vegitarians are protein deficient. I was driving home the other day and some idiot posted a sticker that said "eating animals" under the word stop on the stop sign. What the **** is up with that? Sadly, I take the stop sign to be a more enlightened messenger than the person who put that sticker on it. These envirnmentalists and vegan hobos who think mankind should destroy itself to help animals is getting so annoying. We didn't spend 50 million years fighting to the top of the food chain and surviving against all odds against nature's horrible acts of natural disastors to become vegitarians or envornmentalists, spending all day putting stickers on stop signs! We are finally winning the war with nature, and now we have to quit! I say Bah! to them all!

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[Zundfolge]

Here Here! Amen Rogue Leader!

****ing hippies :)


Oh well, the more vegitarians, the more steak for me :D


Let them wallow in their enimia.


I'm a member of Peta (people eating tasty animals http://www.mtd.com/tasty/ )

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[Lord_Bunker]

i know of 3 types of vegitarians.
1) those who just don't like the taste of meat.
2)those who can't eat meat for health reasons
3)those who think it's cruel to animals.

i don't mind 1&2 but it's group #3 that i think is really stupid and ignorant.

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[RogueLeader]

To all vegitarians out there...i suggest you read a book called "The Secret Lives of Plants" (and nonvegitarians, tell all the vegans you know to read this). Basically, this scientists did some interesting experiments on plants by hooking them up to a lie detector to see if plants had any electro-chemical reactions to external stimuli. He hooked them up, then he cut off a leaf. He was surprised to see a reaction. What does that mean? Plants feel pain. That's right, they feel and react to pain. In another test, he hooked a plant up to the lie detector, and cut a leaf off another planet nearby. The plant hooked up still reacted, meaning it recognized the other plant's pain. An ability to react to stimuli that are completely external, like another plant being injured, suggests sensory perception and consciousness. In another test, he went into an entirely different room and put some brine shrimp in a blender and tunred it on, and at the exact same time the plant reacted to the death of the brine shrimp! What this proves is that plants are actually intelligent like animals, they just don't have centralized nervous systems like we do. Each individial cell reacts on its own. In fact some plants may even have intelligence to some degree. On the evolutionary scale some trees are a lot more advanced than humans.

What is important about this is that its a lot more cruel to eat plants than animals. WHen you eat a fresh plant, like a carrot, the carrot is being digested alive in your stomach acid, and feeling that pain. When you cook a plant, its being cooked alive and feeling the pain. When you kill an animal though, it usually dies instantly and without pain. Therefore, vegitarians are inhumane monsters. :P

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[Zundfolge]

Disgustipated

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........
This is necessary.

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch. You looked up at your sky then. That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with you too. When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your hands were sticky. You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you when you woke up like this. You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it. "If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin." Why didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your car and tried all the doors. They were locked. It was a red car and it was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat. Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods. You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color and, of course, those little people out there were yours too.

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[This message was edited by Zundfolge on Feb 01, 2001 at 11:40.]

[This message was edited by Zundfolge on Feb 01, 2001 at 11:42.]

[Cap'n Beeb]

LMAO! Where did you hear of that book?! Damn thats funny :)

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[Zundfolge]

Oh my FREAKIN' GOD!

Here's what an envronmentalist wacko page had to say about the book.

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[DarkBls]

I love vegetarians..
Thera re more meat for me ;)

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[I_ABuGa]

Hey hey, saying that vegetarians are stupid and ignorant is almost the same as calling christians stupid and ignorant.

The majority of vegetarians I know do not believe in killing animals for their meat. Some think it inhumane others have more "druidic" reasons. I think that its a choice or preference.

Rogue Leader - I think that your school is stupid and ignorant in enforcing a ban of the distribution of meat in school. I believe that it should be a choice. you give people both the option to eat "real" meat and the vege stuff. As for putting them stickers, I think they're silly but its their right to do so. I aint gonna become a vegetarian just because you have a silly bumper sticker tacked on.

As for my feelings toward vegetarians, its just too bad really but there's more meat for me at the table.

[sublime]

I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants.

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[Styx_Surfer]

LOL @ Zund....

Now I'm no environmentalist (I can hardly spell it anyway) nor a vegiterian but wtf is up with "winning the war against nature"? Are we supposed to terminate every species that threatens us, are we winners then? :rolleyes:

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[RogueLeader]

Well, that is the way life works. Nature is goin down!

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[funkstylz]

...Thanks you very much :)

But I have to agree with some of the arguments. I did it for two reasons:

1) I was sliming down to compete in climbing competitions.
2) I don't digest red meat very well, so I'd be carrying it around for hours.

Theres nothing wrong it being a vego, as long as you make sure you replace the good stuff from meat with a suitable substitute (And there are plenty)...but it just happens to be the case that the diet fits into the hippie lifestyle very nicely. So you get a lot of PC Protestors who like to feel big about themselves by making you carnivores feel small. Sh1tZ me to but, eh... whaddya gonna do. :rolleyes:


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[BA Baracus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> despite the fact that its been proven that meat has no negative health effects [/quote]

"proven" is quite a subjective term here. you can find "proven scientific evidence" to support either side of this view.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and that a majority of vegitarians are protein deficient [/quote]

i won't argue that, but then it's not my fault they are clueless about nutrition and protien balancing, thinking that by simply not eating meat they're being "healthier" but not substituting anything in it's place. but do we want to see numbers on vitamin deficiancy for everyone in this fast food culture? meat eaters/vegetarians/vegans alike?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> These envirnmentalists and vegan hobos who think mankind should destroy itself to help animals [/quote]

i could say "those meat eating hobos think mankind should destroy itself just so they can eat thier damn beef jerky." how many acres of oxygen producing rainforest are slashed and burned everyday to clear land for cattle? how much food/grain is produced and fed to cattle everyday that could go straight into the mouths of the "starving millions?" how much methane is released into the athmosphere every day from massive feedlots. how much ground water is contaminated everyday from runoff from these places. did you grow up in a town where there were there were notices in the paper telling you when the water was safe to drink and when the nitrate levels were too high? i never got mad cow disease from a veggie-burger.

i'm not going to argue the whole cruelty to animals side of it. animals feel pain. but not being sentient creatures are they able to experience pain the same way you and i are aware of pain. is it just a stimuli? can an animal comprehend pain anymore than it can comprehend say, math? does that mean i still want to unneccesarily cause pain to animals? no. and that's the big point there, society has evolved to the point where i can *easily* survive w/o any animal products at all, so i choose not to. in this modern era of grocery stores and prepackaged goods we no longer need to rely on animal sources for our food to survive. we are no longer a hunter gather society. but you can be damn sure that i'd kill and eat an animal to survive if i were in the situation where that was the only option. but like i said above, there is simply no need for me to do so.

and i'm sure someone here is bound to bring up evolution, humans evolved canine teeth after all, clearly we're "supposed" to eat animals. first of all, humans do not have true canine teeth, we have the remnants of canine teeth. take a look at a wild dogs mouth, or that of a large predatory cat, look at those long, sharp, pointy canine teeth. humans have a mouth full of molar teeth, clearly we're "supposed" to eat more plants. your appendix is designed for digesting grass, clearly we are "supposed" to eat grass. the point is we're not "supposed" to eat anything, somewhere along the way with this whole evolution process we also developed a little something called free will. i'll quote here:
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The presence of canine teeth in a critter's mouth does not necessarily make said critter a carnivore. Humans, (and dogs, by the way) are omnivores, meaning that though they can eat meat, they also eat everything else, including grains, vegetables, etc. Cats, otoh, are carnivores. Most of the teeth in a cat's mouth are pointy-ish and cone shaped, the perfect design for ripping and tearing flesh and muscle.
Humans differ from most of the other members of the beloved food chain because they are able to exercise an (also beloved) option known as free will. Humans, unlike cats and slugs and fleas, have the capacity to decide whether they want to eat meat or not. Generally speaking, you're not likely to run into a cat who's thinking to himself, "you know, that little mole over there looks succulent and tasty, but is it really right for me to end someone else's life just so I can have a hearty meal?" Or, for that matter -- "hmmm, I'd really like to eat that there injured baby 'possum, but oh, me oh my...the fat and the calories!"
For a human to choose not to eat meat is not a refusal of that particular human to accept his or her rightful position in the ecosystem or on the food chain. It is usually a decision based on nutrition, environmental concerns, and morals. It is an exercise of one of the things that truly separates us from our non-human counterparts -- the ability to choose behaviors based on factors other than instinct.
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and quite frankly in my own opinion the world is simply too overpopulated to sustain a meat eating culture.

all that said, i still think it's wrong for the school to not serve meat, just as i think it's wrong for them to not have a meat/dairy free alternative.

you have reasons for eating meat, realize that i have *valid* reasons for not doing so. i don't force my vegan philosophy on you, don't force your meat eating philosophy on me.

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[Acey4 NA]

I think none of the vege freaks have ever been close to nature, LOL, they would get mad at a bear for eating that "cute witto bunny wabbit"Well, I think we should heard them together and send them out into the rainforest so they can eat a poisonis plant and die :mad: ,

I love eating meat myself, infact, I hope someday to run off into a feild and find my self a rabbit or something and eat it raw, Why, you say? Cave men ate things raw, why should we be any better, hell, I don't care that I might get food poisoning or rabies, I want to die and motherfukin be happy BECAUSE I WAS A REAL MAN, NOT A FUKIN ***** BUISNESS MAN, AND NEVER SEE GRASS MY WHOLE LIFE!

So to the 3rd kind of veggie freaks can follow these simple and easy steps

1] go hide in corner
2] insert penis in azzhole
3] and go fuk your self because YOU can't say that it's more natural!!!

I feel better now, and no offense to anyone on this forum, you may flame to your hearts content now. :o

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[Eacthr]

Alright...

I'm a vegetarian...

Yes...

Actually I think I've seen a topic somewhat like this one a while ago. I can't remember who posted it though...

Sorry to dissapoint the "carnivorous people" here. Note the quotation marks, because you actually eat vegetables too, meaning you're omnivorous. But, I'm a vegetarian. But, for none of the reasons outlined above. It's simple, really... I'm a vegetarian simply because it's easier to do than eating meat. I don't eat meat because I don't get it at home. Simply that.

Why, you ask yourselves? Simply because my parents are vegetarians, and I learned from "the masters". I'm a perfectly happy, mentally sound fourteen year old, too. I'm no vegan, and that seems to be the type of vegetarians that you hate. I happen to be a "lacto-ovo" vegetarian, meaning that the only animal products that I eat are eggs and milk products (ie: milk, cheese, yogurt, etc.)

I usedto like meat, yes... When I was younger. Actually, I've been a vegetarian for about two years now, simply because it's easier for me. I can't stress that enough.

About the protein defiency, I don't have one, I choose to eat well. After all, it is a "Meats and Alternatives" food group, anyways... Alternatives are nuts, peanut butter, beans, etc... All things that I choose to eat regularly.

Dare I even reply to this: (from Acey4 NA)
1] go hide in corner
2] insert penis in azzhole
3] and go fuk your self because YOU can't say that it's more natural!!!
Well, I don't think it's necessary to reply. I suggest you find some real arguments before coming to an intelligent discussion.

To Rogue Leader: I'll read your book if you read mine... Mine is "Diet for a New America" It's extremely informative, and it may even convert a hardened "carnivore" like yourself to see why vegetarians do what they do. :D Also, I don't think it's fair that your school can serve only vegetarian food. I don't believe that's fair for the rest of the studends that choose to eat meat.

I completely agree with most of what BA Baracus has said. And I'm glad that I'm not the only person here who dares to reply.

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[grendalsbane]

"MY SCHOOL" in your post completed my picture of you in my head, let me guess you have every Rage Against the Machine Album published, oops cd, dated myself. I'm not asking this to make fun, but what kind of college do you attend and what is your major? I would like to know only as a reference point for framing my rants. I'll give you a little back ground: I am a Marine Officer with combat experience in the Balkans, Somalis and the Persian Gulf. I lead that God Country Corps type life and spend my time reforming the nations youth from a bunch of idealistic individuals into a combat team. I love to debate politics, because it is personnel to me. I have seen what corrupt governments do to there people and base my political thought from life experience.

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BA Baracus!
aww you did no just insult cats :D

I say let them eat cake! :)

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[Zundfolge]

Vegitarians in general don't bother me, it's the Vegan Evangalists that bug the **** outta me. Holier then thou people, no matter what they are holier then thou about, are a pain in the ass.

Meat is NOT murder, so you peta ***s can just go to hell. The peta idiots are dangerous because they are trying to push the belief that human life and animal life are equal in value (it's that kind of thinking that devalues human life to the point that they can feel no remorse when their leftist friends start rounding up people into death camps)

Now if you don't like the taste of meat, to each his own (I can't understand not liking meat but hell, variety is the spice of life, I don't like peaches and many people think that's weird) and to those who think that cutting meat out of their life makes them healthier; I think you're wrong but no big deal, you're not hurting me.
Just don't call me a killer or eater of poison or (and this is the stupidest one) don't call me a shill for the meat industry (just shut your commie hole :rolleyes: ).

It's vegan extremism that breeds this antimosity toward vegitarians in general.
It's the same problem christians have with obnoxious, judgemental bible thumpers, they create backlash against the entire faith.

So if you are not a Vegan Evangalist, then don't be offended; we're not bitching about you. :)

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[Acey4 NA]

I hate the "3rd" kind of veggie freak, I eat vegtables too, but lke what Zund said, I hate those people for saying I'm a killer because I love a nice juicy, rare and tendare steak.

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[-Lost-]

i just want to comment on the whole teeth thing real quick. back before humans were humans, say 3 million years ago, the hominids running around east africa lived on nuts, berries, some leaves, and maybe insects. similar to a chimp's diet. they had to spend almost all of their day to get their subsistance. however, at about 2 million years ago the climate changed to a grassland environment and the hominids found a niche. they ate their veggies, but also scavanged from lions and other large cats. what is pretty much the only thing a lion leaves (and accounts for almost all the bones found with said hominids) were the long bones femur and humerus and the skull. the hominids could crack open the long bones and the base of the skull giving them access to the marrow and brain, both of which are high in fat. this supplement to the diet drastically reduced the time needed to be spent foraging and allowed for them to create tools and such. in conclusion, eating animals allowed for the evolution of man.
anyway, my stand on the issue is: i love meat and will not stop eating it. but i don't really care what the hell you eat, as long as i'm not forced to eat it too (like all the crappy vegan food they have at the dining hall here. eew, raw tofu, who the hell would want to eat tofu raw? it's kind of funny because this year, everything without meat is labeled vegan, like vegan white rice or vegan beans) ok, i'm done :)

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[I_ABuGa]

My take on the issue is:
I will always eat meat coz there is meat. However I choose to eat meat products from those sources that are regulated, renewable and MSC certified.

I will avoid eating products from endangered wildlife. I will avoid eating products from sources which may have a negative impact on those sources.

As a result I avoid eating quite a number of meats.

[Galaddin]

I take it you don't eat local pork or European beef, Abuga? :D

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[RogueLeader]

grendelsbane, I'm not using "my school" as a possesive or anything. I say it because you would not know what it is, because its not a college or university. I am in high school, which in Indiania is about the quality of Kindergarten anywhere else, which I think would explain the idiocy among the staff.

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[I_ABuGa]

heheh
No, Galaddin, I consume huge quantities of pork. I luv port. Feel a little sad for our Muslim borthers; they dont know what's missing.

As for european beef, I dont think we import much beef do we? I like my steaks medium rare.

[Zundfolge]

mmmmm I do a real mean butterfly pork loin filets grilled with a light amareto sauce

/me salivates

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