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jesseglen
17th Feb 2001, 06:14 PM
I think it would be great if INF was like Soldier Of Fortune wound wise. I've posted a few screens to show you. Please tell me your response I want to know what you think?

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http://www.sofcenter.com/screenshots/shots/45.jpg

http://www.sofcenter.com/screenshots/shots/56.jpg

http://www.sofcenter.com/screenshots/shots/11.jpg
Imagine the rest EWWWWWWWW Messy!!!!

well whatta ya think?

DarkBls
17th Feb 2001, 06:34 PM
Closer to reality can make me only happy...
I don't know it can be done with the unreal 3d engine

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Stumpy
17th Feb 2001, 06:45 PM
I dont think it would be too hard to do, I mean if you can have blood on the walls and floor, why not on people?

And we know that peoples heads can be blown off, so why not their arms and stuff?

If you get shot by a Robar in the arm your arm should be ripped clean off. :D

-Lost-
17th Feb 2001, 08:02 PM
the robar would probably be the only gun capable of really shooting a piece of somebody off. i don't think it'd really be worth all the extra trouble

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Hannibal
17th Feb 2001, 09:22 PM
I really doubt the UT engine could do that. Anyone know for sure?

RogueLeader
18th Feb 2001, 07:54 AM
The map walls are BSP objects. The players are models. Its a lot harder to add decals to a map than a model.

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TheViper
18th Feb 2001, 08:05 AM
I never treated .50 cal wounds (at least that I knew were .50 cal), so I can't say for sure, but IMO it would be a very rare event (I wouldn't be surprised if it's never happened, but lots of things are possible) for a single .50 cal round to completely remove an extremity. Even if the round directly impacted the head of the humerus (upper arm bone), shattering it and blowing fragments away from the body, there would still be more than enough tissue (muscle, tendon, ligament, integument) remaining attached to prevent the upper extremity from simply dropping off. I doubt the hydrostatic concussion would be enough to detatch all that tissue. The lower extremity? No way in Hell.

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The-Doc
18th Feb 2001, 10:29 AM
I think it IS possible to blow away someones limb, you just have to know where to hit and what to hit it with.

Also I think you can use a shotgun with the right ammo in, to take off a limb, but don't hold me to either of these.

But it seriously would be cool to do it..
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The_Fur
18th Feb 2001, 10:39 AM
In WW2 the MG42 was feared not only because ofit's sound abut because of the effect it had on human targets, it tended to remove limbs a lot.
The reason is not it's caliber (it was only 7.62 if i remember correctly) but because of it's ROF (1100 RPM!!! for a machine gun) it simply sawed them off.

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Chronic
19th Feb 2001, 05:21 PM
"I think it IS possible to blow away someones limb, you just have to know where to hit and what to hit it with."

-What to hit it with? Hmmm, spray it with a 7.62 M134, 72mm mortar or RPG, etc, etc. j/k I don't think one shot with the 12.7 would rip it off. I mean, a whole arm? Measure your arm. Does it come close to 12.7mm, or a little over 1cm? Nope. I think it would be possible however with several shots from a 5.56 or a 7.62. This is why we need a M134 ;) However, an arm could be blown off with the M2HB.

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CAVERNA2K
19th Feb 2001, 05:27 PM
i think that using i Hitman like system it could be implemented.

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RogueLeader
19th Feb 2001, 05:29 PM
ACtually I remember hearing about a repeater rifle that from over a kilometer away could tear someone's torso in half. I don't remember much more than that. I saw one of the rounds for it, it was at least half a foot long.

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Lord_Bunker
19th Feb 2001, 06:17 PM
i think a 16" naval gun would do a good job of dismembering somebody. but hitting some one with it would be a bitch.

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DarkBls
19th Feb 2001, 06:59 PM
Do you want a magic weapon ? The one which can transform a human to a piece of bloody meat ?

watch that:

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TheViper
19th Feb 2001, 08:02 PM
I thought we were talking about a single .50 cal round, LOL!

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383Stroker
26th Feb 2001, 09:51 AM
I would like to see better wounds in infiltration,but has anyone considered the fact that if theres a large number of wounds and death animation that could slow the performance down.I say"could"because im not sure if it really would be a huge factor.The limbs getting blown off would get old if it happened all the time,so I think it could be more random but only happen in a believable scenario(close range shotgun blast,.50 robar,grenades,etc..).The bullet contacting the players should cause the occasional chunk or two of polygonal flesh to fly off.Just watch -Saving Private Ryan- to get an idea of how the wounds could be.My grandpa was in that beach storm in ww2 thats in SPR,and he sais thats how it looks(delightfull memories).

Farouk
26th Feb 2001, 11:47 AM
I think very good locational damage can be a bandwith killer. I've yet to see it working well online.
Each playermodel had to have several more complicated positioned collision boxes instead of the two (I think) current simple ones.

Maybe INF could be ported to Rune ( www.runegame.com (http://www.runegame.com) ) that uses a modified UT engine and has such stuff as real limb losing and damage textures (but not as detailed as SOF [which blows as a game IMO btw]) + other nice modifications.
Though I doubt it would be worth the work.

MrMeanly
26th Feb 2001, 06:47 PM
Since when was Soldier of Fortune realistic?

If you really want more detail in injuries, you should wait until the new Unreal Engine is released to the public

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Snakeye
27th Feb 2001, 01:26 AM
A little late, but still:

The MG42 used 7.92mm rounds. They were standard in the German army of WWII.
Just for the ones who didn't know..

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phatcat
7th Mar 2001, 04:55 PM
I know how they really did those animations!! :p

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ninjin
8th Mar 2001, 12:11 AM
I know it might take lots of RAM but wouldn't it be soooooo cool if you shot a guy in the leg and he would start limping, slowing down movement. If shot in the arm, more recoil
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DEFkon
8th Mar 2001, 12:36 AM
I think it would be alot cooler if you had a more difficult time moving if you were shot in the legs, and increased recoil if hit in the arms. Since breathing and stanmia is going to play a big part in aiming now, maybe being shot will effect your aim more too.

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