Anyone with knowledge of this rifle?

[DeRailer]

SAR 21
The SAR 21 is a 5.56 calibre gas operated bullpup rifle fitted with a 1.5x Optical Scope and Laser Aiming Device to assure fast target acquisition. SAR 21 is compact, lightweight and rugged. It also has safety features like patented pressure vent holes to release high pressure and Kelvar plate at the cheek rest.

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It comes with state-of-the-art features. For example, it is the first rifle in the world to have a built-in laser aiming device.
Results of trials conducted over the last six months have shown it to be 20 per cent more accurate than the M-16 at 300 metres.
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SAR-21 Specifications
Caliber: 5.56x45mm
Weight: 5.07 lb, empty
Length: 31.6 in, overall
Barrel: 20 in, cold hammer forged, 1:12 or 1:7 twist rates optional
Operation: Gas, rotating bolt
Cyclic Rate: 450- 650 rd/min
Sights: Integrated 1.5x optical (3x optical optional)
Effective Range: 460m, 1:12 twist rate (M193); 800m, 1:7 twist rate (SS109/M855)
The SAR-21 comes with the following standard accessories:
Cleaning kit
Sling
30 round magazine
Optional accessories include:
Blank firing device
Bore sighting equipment

[Nikoomba]

Looks to me like a rediculously modified Aug Steyr. I'll leave this one too the experts.

[Beagle_One]

SAR-21, Singapore Assault Rifle, replacing M16A1 in Singapore's Army in the 21st century. Therefore SAR-21:)

[BlueSniper]

looks like something you would see on AC2

[DeRailer]

This is a Singapore manufactured rifle, i really doubt it's popularity in the world of firearms so I decided to put up this thread as a little test.

Actually even though it is produce in my country I really know NUTS about rifle so I'll like to ask:
1) What do u all think about the specs?
2) Do u think the weapon is a ripped off of another(i know it is a dumb ques) or an improvement over it?
3) Whats the sling??? :D
4) What does it mean by "Operation: Gas, rotating bolt "
Does it means it omits Gas? :D LOL :D
5) On a website it mention/boast "state-of-the-art features". It mention SAR-21 is the first rifle in the world to have a built-in laser aiming device.
How true is that? Any idea what are the others "state-of-the-art features"

Most likely I'll be entering the local Infantry and hence will be using this Rifle. I'll juz like to get all the information i can about this SAR-21 thingie, Since their are so many Guns Experts here.
BTW, I'll change the Thread Headline to something different for entertainment sake. :D

[BlueSniper]

gas operation is using air pressure to caust the pin to hit the primer and cause the explosives to egnite and therefore causing the slug to escape the grips of the casing and propel the round. when this happens, the pin gets sent back due to the pressure ratio of explosive vs air pressure in the weapon. durring this time a new round is fed in and the pressure ratio is shifted to the weapon's air pressure and the pin then hits the primer again. this repeats itself until the trigger is released, therefore blocking the pin and stopping the process.

did I get that right?

[jaunty]

Why do south-pacific armed forces have "n00b1e syndrome"?

They're all converting to AUGs, locally made clones, or souped up versions thereof. Its quite a simple equation. You want a bullpup, get a FAMAS.

Dont know much about the SAR-21, but it looks as bad, if not worse than the AUG (or F88 Austeyer, which is a crap weapon made impossibly worse)

Probably ass-heavy, due to the fact that they've crammed everything into a cubic centermetre, and forgotten to balance out the front end. (Assuming that the plastic foregrip there is hollow.)

If a locally made weapon is really required, then I know either a Singaporean or Malaysian company makes a low-cost alternative to the M16, which almost looks a bit ike a SIG. Its cheap ('bout $600 USD) and AFAIK, works just aswell.

PS> I thought Gas operation entailed expelled gas from round fired being redirected to a piston, which in turn moved the firing pin. ShaKKen?

[Gryphon]

Looks like another plastic toy jumping on the bullpup bandwagon. I never liked bullpup designs for the simple fact they're far more clumsy to handle. Every try doing a magazine reload under pressure? You need to SEE where that magazine is going. And there is no way in hell you can do that maintaining a bead on the enemy with a bullpup. You have to pull the rifle away from your body to reload, which most of the time is a two-handed operation. I love the M16. You move your trigger finger out of the guard, push a button and out falls the empty mag. Keep weapon aimed, snap another mag in with your left hand, push release with thumb of same, and you're good to go again.

And of course there's the shell ejection issue common to all bullpups. Sure you can switch the bolt around, but why go through the extra time, hassle, and expense when a standard rifle will do the same? And integrated laser? Unless you're using IR with night vision I wouldn't bother. Even then you'll probably need to rezero it every so often as it gets shaken around by the recoil. I'd rather have one I can remove when I DON'T need it, which would be most of the time.

Personal opinion: junk. But hey, you never know. I thought The Matrix was gonna be a flop too. Time will tell...

[Gryphon]

BTW, gas operated simply means the weapon uses propellant gasses from the fired round to operate the action. It's tapped from the barrel and ported either directly to the action as in the M16, or impinges against an operating rod like in the G36. A rotating bolt is a bolt head that rotates to lock and unlock itself, and this usually only occurs when the bolt carrier begins to move from the gas/rod action. This keeps the shell locked in the chamber and prevents its rearward momentum from forcing the bolt back. The advantage of this is you have positive breech movement only when the pressure has dropped to a safe level in the bore.

It's a lot easier to explain when you can see it. :p

[HeresJohnny]

this rifle also has a bent barrel similar to the south african gun (forgot the name), which helps reduce vertical climb.

apparently it's so easy to aim, that anyone can shoot it and aim accurately - that's its main strength.

and no regular saf will not use this gun, it is reserved for special forces at the moment.

JohnnyT <-- that's me --

[DeRailer]

Hey Gryphon, thanx! :)
It's still sound kinda complicating to me though. :D
Well, guess I have to see it for myself.

[DeRailer]

Heres a link to an SAR-21 article for those of u who r interested.
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/idr/idr000531_2_n.shtml

[ShakKen]

I find bullpups to balance and point better than conventional styled rifles.

Nor do I find any problem with reloading. Reloading under pressure is done more or less with the brain on automatic pilot. Reloading while flat on your belly is also fiendishly easy since your elbow already had the gun up at the perfect angle. It's all about training and practice.

The single flaw with bullpups is the case ejection issue. Once someone starts producing a successful caseless round, bullpups will come into their own.

Gryphon: I don't know about you, but M16 magazines do not consistently drop free of the rwell. By reflex I rip them out.

[Gryphon]

Then you must either have a dirty mag well or a pile of sh*tty mags. I find the only mags that don't consistently drop free are Thermolds and Orlites. A STANAG mag's follower pushes against the bolt catch when it's empty, which gives it a nice push out of the well. Works all the time for me unless the mags are BRAND NEW and the parkerizing hasn't worn to size yet.

And if you ARE using STANAG mags, CLEAN YOUR GUN!!! :p

[ShakKen]

We do use STANAG mags.

And our guns are impeccably clean.

[Gryphon]

Bah, j00 jU5t sUX0r. ;)

[ShakKen]

And j00 r 774/\/\4 :D