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GunGirl
11th May 2001, 05:55 PM
i resently saw the jackel for the first time today, since it's a well deserved friday and i was wondering what the big fricken gun the jackel used was called?

Gryphon
11th May 2001, 06:03 PM
The movie called it a "Polish ZSU-33 14.5mm", but in reality it was a very heavily accessorized M2HB. In a few of the closeup shots you can see the characteristic perforated barrel collar underneath all the window dressing. ;)

GunGirl, eh? That's a new one on me! Welcome aboard.

Snakeye
11th May 2001, 06:07 PM
Never seen that movie - though I saw the trailer. Is it true they say the gun fires 100 rounds before the first one strikes the target? Doesn't sound too realistic to me, but I'd still like to see the movie though.

Snakeye :D

PS: looks like I wasn't any help at all, as usual..

Gryphon
11th May 2001, 06:31 PM
That was quite the exaggeration. The ROF was stated to be 1400 RPM when Jackal was buying the gun, yet when it fired it was probably half that. My best estimate it was firing 800 to 850 RPM.

Let's consider, for the sake of the movie, that the gun was indeed firing 14.5x114mm rounds (there are no DU rounds for the 14.5x114mm, so I'll use standard API for reference). With a cyclic rate of 850 RPM, it would take 7.06 seconds to fire 100 rounds. With each projectile leaving the muzzle at approximately 3264 fps, the first bullet would have needed to travel some 20,000 feet in order to meet Declan's claim. Factoring in drag and decelleration, that's just shy of seven kilometers.

When Declan was lining up the minivan with his MSG90, the scout ranged it at 762 meters. Estimating the van's distance to the podium as some 700 meters (or about 2300 feet), assuming zero decelleration, the gun would have fired 10 rounds before the first bullet impact.

Eliwar
11th May 2001, 07:03 PM
Gryphon, whats up with your post count? can't be that low...

GunGirl
11th May 2001, 08:40 PM
anyone have any info on the Polish ZSU-33 14.5mm if it is a real gun?

Sebu_NZ
11th May 2001, 11:03 PM
The film was pretty good.

It can't be The Jackal, Carlos el Chacal that is, the notorious terrorist.

Speaking of him, wow, The assignment was a really good film, they even got the right colour of Carlos's coat in the OPEC raid. That the type of detial that rocks!

Gryphon
12th May 2001, 03:48 PM
Hey GunGirl, sorry I missed you in IRC, I was asleep. ;)

I've looked around and there doesn't exist a ZSU-33 14.5mm, Polish or otherwise. The closest would be the Russian KPV 14.5mm, in Poland on a ground mount for heavy fire support as the Pirat (Pirate) HMG.

Russian KPV:
http://www.global-defence.com/99/1998/CompanyProfile/images/P169_Pic_B.jpg

Russian 14.5mm antiaircraft guns have the designation ZPU, and come in one, two, and four gun configurations:

http://www.hcs5.navy.mil/images/airdef/zpu-4.jpg http://www.hcs5.navy.mil/images/airdef/zpu-2.jpg

The 'P' designation indicates a towed version. An 'S' as in 'ZSU' implies self-propelled, and refers to the system and not the gun itself. Chalk another one up for movie gun mishaps. :rolleyes:

Interestingly enough, Poland isn't listed to use the KPV in antiaircraft mounts; only ground roles as the Pirat. THAT is one gun I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of. Here's a few shots of various API and APIT rounds (all being STANDARD loadings; there is no ball load, and AP isn't used much):

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/p145zsu2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/p145zsu3.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/p145at.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/z145at.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/p145zsu1.jpg