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Robertson
4th May 2001, 01:58 PM
A friend of mine E-mailed me this a few days ago, and while some of it is quite funny, the tone of the message is quite serious indeed.

Almost everyone here now, must have seen or at least heard the news about the US Surveillance plane incident and subsequent increase in tension between the US and China.
While personally I would have to say that I agree with about 80% of what he says, he does tend to go overboard about it.


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Our Real Apology To China....

The United States of America apologizes to the People's Republic of China for allowing our slow, lumbering reconnaissance plane to be hit by your poorly trained, hot-dogging fighter pilot, while flying in international airspace.

We're sorry we have to fly surveillance missions to monitor a country that has nuclear missiles pointed at us.

We're sorry your pilot didn't follow international standards of fighter intercept protocol.

We're sorry his aircraft recognition skills were so poor he didn't realize the EP-3 aircraft was propeller driven and flew his aircraft through its propeller arc, destroying his aircraft and nearly killing 24 American crewmen.

We're sorry your fighter pilot's survival training and equipment was so inadequate that he couldn't survive until your poorly trained and equipped navy could find him (they turned down our offer for search and rescue assistance).

We're sorry you violated international law and arrested the crewmen of an aircraft that legally diverted into your airfield under emergency conditions caused by your pilot's actions, after being led there by one of your other pilots.

We're sorry you violated international law and boarded a state aircraft.

We're sorry the world is now seeing you for the enemy of freedom, truth, and democracy that you really are.

We're sorry you see yourself as a superpower when in reality you are a third world nation (the average Chinese worker earns less than $.10 a day).

We're sorry you are losing so much face over this.

We're sorry that you were able to steal some missile and nuclear secrets from us.

We're sorry you haven't learned from the Soviet Union's collapse and failed to embrace democracy and capitalism (compare tiny Taiwan and mainland China; same people, same culture, but Taiwan's capitalistic economy is a powerhouse and China's economy is still mired in communism).

We're sorry for the future Chinese military deaths that will occur when we retaliate for your roughish behavior.

And most of all, we're sorry for the Chinese people who suffer its leaders' incompetence.


BTW:
Want to know where my animosity towards China comes from? Here are a few tidbits of information :

The Panama Canal is a big deal. Its the easiest (and most common way) to get back and forth from the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. We gave the canal back to the Panamanians who promptly turned around and leased BOTH ENDS to China. Hmm... China is now poised to setup critical military facilities at the Panama Canal, only 900 miles from the United States. The best news? Thanks to our treaty with Panama, we had a bit of control over this happening - but Bill Clinton signed off on it allowing their deal to proceed.


Several of our spy planes have been "bumped" by china's fighters. This is just the first time that both planes with damaged to the point of being unable to continue flying.


China requesting an apology when they were obviously the aggressors shows their utter contempt for the US. During the couple of weeks that the plane ordeal was going on, interviewed Chinese suggested things like, "We should go to war so we can kill all Americans."


Thanks to the past 8 years of democrats in the presidency, our military is at its all-time weakest. We've kept the same number of active military (appx 1 million), but the female "non-combat" portion has raised from 5% to nearly 30%. So, while on paper we look to be the same, we're not.


Including the active military, reserves and even the draft, the largest our war-ready-military could swell to is about 6 million. China's active military is around 9 million, 11 million on active-reserve (that train several times a year) with another 20 million in reserves. That's 40 million people they have available for war.


China still practices some of the most ****ed up acts on it's own people. To test biological weapons they whiped out a village of 25000 people. In some areas, if a family has more than 1 child, the "extra" child is taken outside and bayoneted to death. If the family hides the child, they can be put to death.


China has recently purchased a fleet of Mig fighters and torpedoes that can go up to 260 mph specifically designed to take out aircraft carriers.


Chinese have complete disregard for life... even their own people. And they have a strong hate for the United States. I'm predicting here and now that we will have a major military confrontation with China within the next 10 years. If you're American and you're not worried about China, you should be.

- Nighthawk
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I'll have to admit that I had very little knowledge of what happens in China, and indeed what may happen in the next 10 years between the US and China. But after reading that e-mail and discussing it with some colleages who generally agreed with Nighthawk, I was noticably concerned.

Is there a good possibility that these two superpowers might come into conflict with each other, or is it just all talk?

I'm curious to see what everyone elses opinion on the US and China deal is, and if they agree with Nighthawk that things may indeed get worse?



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Robertson
4th May 2001, 02:34 PM
One suggestion we had, was that we could always send the dreaded Dr. Gary to Beijing to give the Chinese government a lesson on how there is "No Inherent Value in begining another Cold War with the U.S.", along with his lecture on the 6 points of Human Rights.

Hmmm...On second thoughts, that might just provoke the situtation further. ;)



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Mad_Dog
5th May 2001, 02:10 AM
it's two self righteous, highly militarized superpowers butting heads, so while i hope nothing happens, it might...

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China has recently purchased a fleet of Mig fighters and torpedoes that can go up to 260 mph specifically designed to take out aircraft carriers.
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i'd buy that stuff too...;)

Chronic
6th May 2001, 07:48 PM
My friends mom was in China when it all happened, and that night when he talked to her on the phone she said "I can't believe about that American spy plane that viciously attacked that Chinese jet!"

Classic

St0rmcaller
7th May 2001, 12:53 AM
Post WW II America was no way near ready for another conflict. In the early 1950's Korea became a hot bed of military activity, and we we woefully short on supplies and personnel.

The reward...Half a country lost. The Republic of Korea is a great nation now one of America's best allies, however, think how much better they would be if we were better able assist them in keeping their country in one piece.

In the 1960's, we had all the supplies we needed, and in the beginning good morale in the forces. Politics strung out the conflict, creating military oddities such as "no-fire days" and fire support beraucacy. A platoon commander of Recon Marines that I know would have to wait a good 5-15 minutes to get artillery or air support fire missions from the US forces. So he called the ROK Marines for fire. 30 seconds to a minute max before rounds went down range. (ROK Marines- Republic of Korea, they did not have to follow the silly impedements placed by US politicians.

The reward...Utter mission failure. Polticians are not warriors, and should keep to telling the military where to go, and what to do, but not how to do it.

In reference to China, I suppose I do fear a conflict with them, but probably not as much as I should. My belief is all they were doing is flexing on Pres. Bush, seeing if he would puss.y out. It do not look forward to forward deployment with the equipment in our stocks now.

Robertson
7th May 2001, 11:09 AM
Some good answers there. :)

I especially like this sentence given by St0rmcaller:-
Originally posted by St0rmcaller
Polticians are not warriors, and should keep to telling the military where to go, and what to do, but not how to do it.


An old buddy even quoted once "It takes the military to win a war, and a politician to lose it." Something I think the majority here would agree with.



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poaw
7th May 2001, 10:19 PM
A French politician once said, "War is too important to be left to the Generals"
And France hasn't won a war since. :D

Tommy Atkins
8th May 2001, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Robertson

Is there a good possibility that these two superpowers might come into conflict with each other, or is it just all talk?




There may be trouble ahead... but if so it will take the form of nasty little proxy wars like most of the grief in Africa during the middle of the Cold War, and probably with the same inconclusive results. As far as my (very basic) understanding goes, Russia lost the Cold War because it couldn't sustain the same level of military spending as the US- forget the ideological rights and wrongs, human rights & wrongs etc (BTW, I'm glad they lost, 'cos I'm crap at speaking Russian. Same with Mandarin, Cantonese etc.).