Pistols & Knives Only matches ! [Archive]

Phuzzybear

5th May 2001, 11:51 AM

Yeah as long as there is concensus it can be a great way to have fun and use opensight skills. GPK did a good job of trying to explain that ppl who didnt want to go along could move along or simply k\join the fun. Most who at first grumbled got into it once they setup a new loadout (o what a chore lol). I keep a pistol loadout ready at all times. Heck I even have my supa-lite LO: 1 knife and 1 grenade (i mean most maps have tons of guns strewn widely after round 2 anyway) but I want to invite ppl who like "La Pistoala y su corazon" matches to DL "Nananima" and/or any of the other amazing DM levels at REALMAPS and look for my sight. I will host DM and pistol matches will only be held as the map or mood fits. But come in to fun on maps that rarely get online play. I have (almost) all of the them NEW/Classic/BETAS whadevea------PBear

DarkBls

6th May 2001, 08:14 PM

I hope it wasn't in a PUB server :mad:

Phuzzybear

7th May 2001, 02:03 PM

It WAS in a pub server. Why shouldn't the public be invited to enjoy the fun?

BrownCow

7th May 2001, 05:19 PM

cuz the public is idiotic

yall were lucky i wasn't there.. i could have killed a man if my massa gpk would let me

DarkBls

7th May 2001, 10:36 PM

Because everyone in a PUB sever doesn't want to play like that.
<h2> It is <h1>stupid</h1> to force people to play like that, if they don't want to !</h2>

It is not INF circus...

I hope you didn't TK people who didn't want to play like that :mad:

Because I HATE this kind of bloody stupid teenage behavior :mad:

Only one think in INF online which drive me mad and hangry: it is such people who try to force people doing stupid things by TK'em.

Fushi_[HHQ]

7th May 2001, 11:22 PM

Now, why is it that the French always get flustered when something doesn't go their way?

Honestly, if 90% of the server population wants this kind of match, the other 10% should leave, or join in the fun. Most of the time, these little pistol matches last only 1-2 rounds anyays.

On a side note, I've noticed that I do bette with pistols anyways, and taking a persons M16 while putting away my Desert Eagle is always fun.

DarkBls

7th May 2001, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Fushi_[HHQ]
Now, why is it that the French always get flustered when something doesn't go their way?

Why are you talking about my country ? It doesn't have any interest in the topic.

I think everyone must agree to play only with gun or any other specific fight behavior. If only ONE guy doesn't want, he CAN play likes he want !

Do you know why ? Because it is a PUBLIC server. If you want to have a pistol only fight, start your OWN server with a pistol-only mutator.

If you want to proove you eliteness by fighting only with your DE amongst normal soldier, it is YOUR choice. None have the right to choose for other in public server.

BrownCow

8th May 2001, 12:12 AM

Hey DarkBls if you gunna get all pissy cuz you can't accept the majority rules policy then maybe you should just go find the "people who think they own servers" thread.. I've argued about this already LONG ago when the whole pistols only thing started up..

Majority rules in any scenario you choose. Just think about it.

And tk'ing is a very good solution to anyone who is going against your rules. Just like in real life.. Tk'ing isn't "killing a man" it is forcing a player to sit out for a little bit... Can you say prison?? That is the infiltration version of prison, that is exaclty how i look at it.. The more you go against the system the longer you in jail..

See this mod DOES have some realistic traits...

Zundfolge

8th May 2001, 12:29 AM

Since we now have the option to make servers "pistol only" (using Captain Pathetico's arena mutator) I think it should be up to the admin to decide how the game should be played.

However if you are on a server and everyone else is trying to play pistols only, then it's just as much a kind of bloody stupid teenage behavior to run around wasting everyone with an M16 as it is TKing someone who doesn't want to play along.

Now what pisses me off is when one or two player want to play pistol or knife only and they bitch and moan about it when the majority doesnt want to play that way (which honestly I've seen a lot more then most of the people playing a pistol only match with one jackass messing it up).

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 03:12 AM

Zundfolge, you have it right.

Most of the times I have seen pistol matches occur are when the server is slowing down, and most of us agree to it. Then it only lasts a few rounds once the server picks back up.

If one person joins a server we were on first, and then insists on using that MP5 when we are having a pistol fight, then they should leave.

And if you think about it, none of the servers are truley public. They are all owned by somebody, and *they* get the final say, not us.

Phuzzybear

8th May 2001, 04:28 AM

I feel I should clarify a few points. When I joined the said pistol match all the players were in agreement. We all had a good time. If I didnt like it I would have gone to any one of the many other servers. Public servers are entitled to set any rules the admin likes just like other public places (golf cources, restaurants, sporting events) so they are not being forced to do anything but must agree to the preconditions. There are always more EMPTY servers than servers with people playing, let alone full houses. No one has to get TKed. This is about co-operation and having fun. No one was told they had to do anything except decide whether they wanted to join the follies. It sounds like you aren't concerned about the facts nor have you participated in this kind of game. Your desciption of the events in no way reflects the occasions I have participated in. The people who dont like it are free to choose another server. Simply installing a UT mod entitles you to NOTHING on someone elses privately owned "public" server. GPK handled things tactfully. It was fun for all. Cool to see people working together in ways machine guns and grenades dont allow. I mean do YOU go and curse in SOB servers??? Hey there are lots of different people in the world. May we each find our own preferences and get out of the way of those who are looking for something else. Remember: One rule fits all = FACISM

gpk

8th May 2001, 07:51 AM

I would like to point out that it was NOT my server though I did try to keep the peace.
The particular server in question is the PHD server where I DO have admin powers. {PHD}Auspex was nice enough to hand out the admin account to myself and a couple of others, since he and other PHD admins can't be there ALL the time ( I do have strange hours these days). The worse I have done so far is kick a player who has been AFK for many rounds. If anyone feels that I abuse my power on the few times I login , feel free to complain about me. Won't really change anything wether I can admin or not...
Now if MUF and SK would be nice enuff to hand the password ... ;)

I don't feel that I or any others forced ppl to play pistols only. IF I recall correctly a couple of us were talking how it would be nice to have more new maps to play, when someone suggested pistols only as a nice change of pace. I'm normally not a big fan of deviating from standard gameplay, but sometimes it's just plain fun to do so, when all (nearly all) of the players are up to it. Pistol Matches or Monster spawns are a nice way to relieve the tension and change the scenery a bit.

All night there was only like 1 player who complained angrily, and I believe his anger stemmed was at the way someone (maybe me ?) let him know we were having a pistols only match. This player was NOT kicked for not wanting to go along, nor was anyone else. Next round he was capping away like madman w/ his Desert Eagle. I'd also like to point out that a vote was taken more or lesson every map ,on whether or not to continue pistols only. Again I don't feel that anyone forced their will on anyone else.

I had a great time, even though i was far from dominating :)

gpk

P.S. Forgive my incoherent typing...not feeling so well...

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 07:54 AM

Since we now have the option to make servers "pistol only" (using Captain Pathetico's arena mutator) I think it should be up to the admin to decide how the game should be played

Yes ! And none else !

DredDamo

8th May 2001, 11:40 AM

DarkBls: grow up.

I had a lovely 1on1 match yesterday with pistols, couple of guys came in who didn't feel like playing pistols, so me and my fellow pistoller (on the other team) let the llamas go out there and kill each other, after which we took our time stalking and capping to our heart's content.

In this case it was 50% vote, so everyone did their own thing. Can you honestly tell me that if you got together with 15 other people on an open court which could accomodate a net for volleyball or 2 baskets for basketball (so either one perfectly fine), and 15 people wanted to play basketball, and 1 volleyball, you would go with the 1 who wanted volleyball? <b>ARE YOU ON CRACK?!?</b>

Damodred

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 11:53 AM

->DredDamo

It is stupid to play basket on a volleyball court and it is stupid to play volleybal on a basketball court.

Did you notice when you joined the PUB server, the TeamDeathmatch word ?

About your open court, you cannot build your own to play like you want. But in INF you CAN !

So open your own server, install a pistol only mutator and let normal people enjoy a normal INF game.

BrownCow

8th May 2001, 01:06 PM

I fail to understand the reasoning behind this.. I couldn't understand it before either.. I don't see how something like this could even be an issue.. I'm pretty dumb, but still....

There are seriously some people in this forum that need a good nap.

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 01:11 PM

DarkBls-

It seems to me that you have been one of those people who whined about not wanting pistol matches.

A couple of nights ago, we tried to get pistols going. After our team did change to pistols and the other didn't, we changed back, with no whining. In this entire thread, there is no mention of the pistolers whining to get their way, but plenty of reports of that one guy whining because pistolers *asked* him to conform or leave.

Makes you wonder.

BrownCow

8th May 2001, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by DarkBls
->DredDamo

About your open court, you cannot build your own to play like you want. But in INF you CAN !

So open your own server, install a pistol only mutator and let normal people enjoy a normal INF game.

"normal" is an opinionated term.. When arguing you argue with facts, not yer opinion.

And the fact is, if you walk to a basketball court in a park or some other public facility, and they are playing a special set of rules that you don't like, you can either abide by their rules, or not play and go find a diff court. You cannot walk into their game and whine and expect them to change it just for you. And even worse would be to play their game, but go against their rules. You might get yerself shot in some cities for doing that. Piss off the wrong people and you be dead.

That is exactly the situation. It is as clear as i can explain it. If you still can't grasp it.. then i don't know what to tell ya.. You will be arguing this forever.

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 01:23 PM

Whining ? No. Talking, screaming everything you want but not whining.

because pistolers *asked* him to conform or leave.

If you just ask to have a pistol fight, I very comfort with it. The only thing I'm strongly against is TKilling to force people to play like they don't want to

Nothing else !

By the way, yes I don't like pistols fights.
It is completly unrealistic for me. But If 2 teams on a private server or in a pub server with everyone willing I don't care.

->BrownCow

I fail to understand the reasoning behind this[...]I'm pretty dumb

At least you admited it :rolleyes:

I don't see how something like this could even be an issue

How it could be ?
If someone start to TKilling to force playing pistols only, it is an issue.

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 01:44 PM

DarkBls-

I suppose we agree more than it seems.

I am against TKing to get your wish in a game.

But, I believe that pistol fights should be allowed if 90% (not an exact number) of the people agree to it. The others aren't forced to play there, and it's not like it's the *only* server (And to get that high of a percent, it is either a really under populated server, or you have13-17 people wanting a pistol match).

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 01:52 PM

The others aren't forced to play there, and it's not like it's the *only* server

For some people they have only one server at a good for play ping. So it could be the only server !

And if they are TKilled, they ARE forced !

MoNDoGuY

8th May 2001, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by DarkBls
By the way, yes I don't like pistols fights.
It is completly unrealistic for me.

What's so unrealistic about it? It's guns isn't it? There is still teamwork and strategy, it's just not automatic weapons. So why is this unrealistic to you?

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 02:18 PM

Try to find at least ONE army in the world who go fighting only with pistols... :rolleyes:

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 03:18 PM

Just because it is the lowest ping doesn't mean you have to play at that server. when I normally play, I am on a 784K DSL. But I also play over my 56k modem (Go laptop!). I go from 100ms to 400ms ping *easily*. So don't complain about ping time to me.

BrownCow

8th May 2001, 03:29 PM

Hey, DarkBls if you want i can give you a big ole list of things that are totally unrealistic in inf.. Everyone using pistols in a WAR is unrealistic, THIS is a game, a WAR consits of tens of thousands of soliders.. We get 16 total in a game of inf.. You cannot compare inf to war, it makes no sense. You might take on some of the same stragities, but that is all.

And i'm all for tk. I love it. no better way to get someone to leave or whatnot. You can whine and complain at someone all day to get them to stop doing something, the quickest solution is a bullet in the head. Best if it came from a teammate, then you know you're really not wanted.

If i have to, I will tk without hesitation.. And of course you will blow that out of perportion. I hardly ever actually tk. But i have no problem doing it if it is needed.

Poeple gotta lighten up on the whole tk issue.. YOu people make it sound like you are killing some endangered specie when it happens.. shesh.. It is only a game.. And there is nothing more intense then knowing that when you spawn someone on yer team will be looking for you right away.. You gotta move out quick and you will be paranoid till the guy after you is dead. I have not found this experiance in any other situation in inf.. Even 1 on 1 doesn't give you the same "hunt/hunted" feeling.

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 03:42 PM

And i'm all for tk. I love it. no better way to get someone to leave or whatnot. You can whine and complain at someone all day to get them to stop doing something, the quickest solution is a bullet in the head. Best if it came from a teammate, then you know you're really not wanted.

If i have to, I will tk without hesitation.. And of course you will blow that out of perportion. I hardly ever actually tk. But i have no problem doing it if it is needed.

:eek:

No comment :mad:

Yes I agree a war consits of tens of thousands soldiers. But INF is not a war, it is more a BATTLE.

if you want i can give you a big ole list of things that are totally unrealistic in inf

At least you can be usefull for something. Do it and post it in the new version suggestion. It will be fixed. ;)

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 03:57 PM

Ok, brown cow, that is extreme.

Yes, I TK. Only as a last resort though, and only if that person is TKing our team. There is no sense in TKing your own team, and anyone with common sense would shoot someone shooting at you, regardless of the colors that they wear.

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 04:04 PM

and only if that person is TKing our team

Obvious and sensible.

Unfortunately some people here, seems to not be able to said anything like that :(

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 04:16 PM

DarkBls, your last sentance didn't make *any* sense =-)

I think this is a case of trying to translate from a foreign language that doesn't follow the same rules (German to english is funny).

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 04:21 PM

Sorry for my english.

I edited my post. Is it better ?

Fushi_[HHQ]

8th May 2001, 04:46 PM

Now it's a bit better ;-)

I think what you are trying to say is:

Some people on this forum can't say the same thing.

DarkBls

8th May 2001, 04:49 PM

I tried to say it with a more complex sentence, but I failed ;)

Phuzzybear

10th May 2001, 07:36 PM

You know DBI for a "moderator" you seem to be having a hard time seeing this as anything but a "TKing is bad" issue. That isnt the point. You ARE RIGHT TKing is wrong, no one I have ever played with TKed someone until after they TKed first. After that its an issue of self-defense. People have been trying to point out that the issue has nothing to do with "forcing" people to do anything. I have been in lots of pistols matches. Frankly, its becoming more popular and doesnt seem to be an issue now UNLESS someone doesnt want to comply or leave and decides to ruin others fun by shooting everyone including teamates. I have no sympathy for the crybaby who is too stubborn to go elsewhere or try something new. And not getting your way is not justification to TK. So who is the problem? If the admin and all the OTHER players want to use pistols and a jerky boy decides to open up full-auto, of course, his team will "remove" him from spoiling the good natured mood that precedes a group decision to switch loadouts. This is not about whether TKing is bad. Its about respecting others. The punks that dont get their way and then decide to cause trouble deserve what they got. Pistols matches are not going to go away as long as ppl enjoy them or they wouldnt happen in the first place. More often than not 75% of all servers are idle. I am regularly the first guy in a map because I like to recon for strategic positions and plink stuff when I dont see a map or a crowd I like happening. I rarely get 5 minutes alone before someone else joins so I dont think anyone is being unfairly excluded. On the contrary, the reason I go into maps alone so often is that I dont like playing with TKers and spam beeyotches. But it usually only takes about 10 minutes before the previously vacant server has atleast 4 or more guys. Nothing draws a crowd like a crowd. If there is something I dont like I keep my mouth shut and go somewhere else or go outside and excercise. If others did the same we the online scene would be much cooler. But as this forums "moderator" its a huge disservice to your readers to paint everything in black and white. There are too many gray areas in RL to broadly condemn any group whose opinions differ from your own. So if you really do think infiltration is about "realism" (as I adamant about as well) then consider the fact that these arent VICTIMS of malicious mobs but just your common POORSPORT whose lack of social skills means the only way he knows how to get the attention his miserable soul craves is to anger others. What we ARE talking about is stopping this kind of luuuuuuuuuser from disrespecting the primary tenent of Infiltration. I believe that before every match the phrase "WORK WITH YOUR TEAMATES" is flashed on the screen. So lets assume its "realistic" that in a "battle" any soldier blatantly disregarding the mission parameters would be subject to a "field court-martial' in order to maintain conformity with the imperative command by the creators of this game. These are "traitors" we are talking about who refuse to participate in the current "mission" and will be treated as such. (by the way I AM GOING TO USE THE PISTOLS ONLY MOD IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER, I will always listen to your side try to hear ours) Thanks Bro- if its not fun do something else, please.....P-Bear

DarkBls

10th May 2001, 07:52 PM

I think you didn't understand me very well:

I'm for

Pistol only matches if everyone agree and the admin of server too.
Tkill someone for self-defense.

I'm against:

Serial Tkiller.
Tkill to force someone to have a deviant behavior
Pistol only if everybody doesn't want in a pub server.

But as this forums "moderator" its a huge disservice to your readers to paint everything in black and white. There are too many gray areas in RL to broadly condemn any group whose opinions differ from your own

I don't like pistol matche only, but I understand some people might like it in some situation (see above). So I don't think I see everything in black or white ! ;)

Your message worth a much deep answer from me, but I don't have the time now..

DarkBls

10th May 2001, 08:27 PM

finally I have much more time than I though.
So:

You know DBI for a "moderator" you seem to be having a hard time seeing this as anything but a "TKing is bad" issue

From my own on-line experience the end of such thing (pistol only, when someone doesn't want) is always a TKill.

You ARE RIGHT TKing is wrong

Glad to hear that ;)

. After that its an issue of self-defense. People have been trying to point out that the issue has nothing to do with "forcing" people to do anything

It depend of the offense ;)

doesnt seem to be an issue now UNLESS someone doesnt want to comply or leave and decides to ruin others fun by shooting everyone including teamates

I never talked about such case. I mainly talked about pistol matches in pub server where everyone doesn't want to play like that

If the admin and all the OTHER players want to use pistols and a jerky boy decides to open up full-auto, of course, his team will "remove" him from spoiling the good natured mood that precedes a group decision to switch loadouts.This is not about whether TKing is bad. Its about respecting others

Agree. http://forums.planetunreal.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
If others did the same we the online scene would be much cooler. But as this forums "moderator" its a huge disservice to your readers to paint everything in black and white

See my previous post.

Conclusion: We are agree about what you said, but it wasn't the point of my though ;)

DarkBls

10th May 2001, 08:29 PM

Oh, another thing. Beeing a moderator doesn't means I'm above anyone and I cannot tell my opinion ;)

Luminuis

10th May 2001, 09:40 PM

I hate to say it, but I feel disgusted,

After reading ALL these posts I have only one thing to say....

Youngins...

Sorry, my Southern USA heritage decided to show up there.

Now on to me making my point: INF is about Real World Military Engagements

What Military has pistol only matches?

A server with a pistols only mutator is not where you'll find me.

I hate people that think they're better than anyone else..

I try to be friends to everyone...

And I read this thread and I see lots of DarkBls bashing..

Ouch, The french get flustered when things don't go there way....I gotta say, not knowing or caring where you are from, that you're probably the same damn way.

What I wanna know is where Heritage got into this thread about Pistols Only matches, that and why you guys were egging Bls, on. Now, if you wanna say he get;s pissy about things then fine, so do I, but when you do it to MAKE him get pissy then you need to take a quick double take and sit your ass down, no one needs to piss anyone else here off, the INF community is relatively small, we tend to remember things as well, it's best not to piss others in it off, we're all a family.

When it comes down to it, I don't like Pistols matches cause they go against everything INF is, which is to say they are unrealistic, just like John Woo films, now that's not saying I don't like John Woo's movies, but there kinda action just has no place in INF.

also about Bls Being a moderator and better than everyone else, well, he's a mod for a reason ;)

/me applauds Bls for handling this well and not closing the thread, or deleting it, but conversing with the public

I know mods that will ban people that call them pissy...

DarkBls

10th May 2001, 09:48 PM

/Me gives to gabriel my best red wine case :D

Luminuis

10th May 2001, 10:02 PM

Ahh THANKS Bls,

/me cheeks turn same color as wine

Heh.

Fushi_[HHQ]

10th May 2001, 10:04 PM

Pistol matches are just a way for people to use the pistols. How often do you use one at all?

DarkBls

10th May 2001, 10:18 PM

I use pistols like a side arm ! :rolleyes:

And I will use it more often that way in the 2.86 because of the tweaking of the QA buton ;)

Edge(Tribe)

10th May 2001, 11:04 PM

even though i love pistol matches and i hate the ppl who join a server all playing pistols and m-203 everyone, seeing as it is public and you are allowed to play with whatever strategy u want, be it camping or using a shotty. as long as its not cheating than its ok to do

Luminuis

11th May 2001, 02:37 PM

Well ya know what, I use a handgun in a shootout every time I run out of primary ammo, because it takes less time to do that than reload.

BrownCow

11th May 2001, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Edge(Tribe)
even though i love pistol matches and i hate the ppl who join a server all playing pistols and m-203 everyone, seeing as it is public and you are allowed to play with whatever strategy u want, be it camping or using a shotty. as long as its not cheating than its ok to do

And on the same note, it is a public server, i can tk the bastard that is using the m16 when we all doing poistols until i turn blue in the face..

Yes, you can do whatever you want on a public server, just beware the consequences.. You walk into a match and they tell you to use a certain weapon, whatever it may be, and if you don't, don't expect to be let to do what you want without some resistance.

Just like real life.. another one of them wierd "realistic" aspects of the game.

Edge(Tribe)

11th May 2001, 08:32 PM

backstabbers are a great thing to have. people shoot u in the back for using a perfectly legal way of playing.

You walk into a match and they tell you to use a certain weapon, whatever it may be, and if you don't, don't expect to be let to do what you want without some resistance.

resistance as in tk'ing them until they conform or leave?

*cough*communist*cough*

Luminuis

11th May 2001, 11:25 PM

I can't wait till the kick option is done, because that way there will be peace in the land of pistol freaks.

Christ, when the FAMAS comes in I'll pakc My M9 and then halfway through the match decide to actually do some biz-nes and open up with my FAMAS and you can BOOT me off if you want but i'll be happy.

BrownCow

12th May 2001, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Edge(Tribe)
backstabbers are a great thing to have. people shoot u in the back for using a perfectly legal way of playing.

resistance as in tk'ing them until they conform or leave?

*cough*communist*cough*

Legal? Get off the "there is a right way to play the game" stuff.. there isn't, just live with it.

Resistance is as follows:

When the player enters the game, you alert them to the type of game you are playing, ie.. pistols only..

If they say no, you ask them to please leave

If they agree then they agree and get out a pistol *which almost everyone does cept for the few retards*

If they ignore you and do not respond and do nnot switch after one round, you let them play a second round. If still no responce and they not using whatever they were asked to use by the popular vote on the server, their team opens fire on that player till he leaves.

They very seldom actually switch to pistol after they been tk'd a few times, they usually just leave and goto a diff server *cus there are more then 1 you know*

That is bout what resistance is.. I love tk, i promote it, but it is the last on the list. Although if a guy REALLY sucks, and some do, they are sometimes aloud to use whatever they want, depending on how the server players are feeling.

CommunistCow

I love tk'ing and ghost recon is the smart thing to do.

Luminuis

12th May 2001, 01:51 AM

/me Points a Finger at BrownCow and mutters

you hit a nerve,

Legal? Get off the "there is a right way to play the game" stuff.. there isn't, just live with it.

Pray to whatever God or Gods your sorry ass believes in that you never find me in a INF game, because your head will have 3 9mm rounds in from the back of it before you even figure out the match has started, people like you NEED to be shot.

I love tk'ing and ghost recon is the smart thing to do.

I can understand if this is some sort of stupid ass joke, but it's not, is it...no..it's not...

CommunistCow

Get real, Communism is dead, only third world countries have it now.

If they agree then they agree and get out a pistol *which almost everyone does cept for the few retards*

Obviously you NEVER pull out a pistol, being the retard you are.

If you are playing a pistols only match, and someone says no, and you ask them to leave, and they don't, then don't TK them, let them play, Pistols Only Matches are bull**** anyways, if you wanna use a damn handgun pull out your M9 or *shudders* DE and shoot everyone else, if you're good witht eh thing you shouldn't have to worry about the fact that Everyone else is smart and is playing realistically by carrying assault weapons. If you're really into using pistols, practice with them, and use them in normal games, don't force people like me to play pistols only just cause there are no other good servers out there, and yes, occasionally, there's only one.

BrownCow

12th May 2001, 02:10 AM

Ok Gaberial.. I always use a pistol, if you had EVER played against me ever you would know this.. And I do very well with my de only loadout.. SO, i can on autos and shottys easy, cept in a few cases where the players are actually good. But if you good, it makes 0 difference what weapon you use, you will kill with whatever.

I am not even a big fan of pistol only battles, just cuz they aren't a challenge really. Which is why i only use a pistol to begin.. I'm not braggin, I just have no problem killing people with a sig and it is boring as hell. At least with the pistol i have to work to get on the top.

Believe it or not a pistol does take a better aim then a sig or m16, it is way more of a challenge, and some people play this game for the challenge, not everyone just wants to be the king of the hill you know... We aren't all macho alpha male jack offs..... ok.. maybe we are.. but still!

Luminuis

12th May 2001, 02:37 AM

My friend, when you spell my name right (is it that hard to spell?) then I shall realize that I am wrong.

Now, as to me ebign good, yes, I am, as to you being good, or using a pistol only, I don't know, but you advocate TKing and Ghost Reconing, therefore I will TK you and then let you ghost recon for my team, I usually make up the lost points rather quick.

BrownCow

12th May 2001, 03:51 AM

Then i shall have to find what server you hide on and put you in your place. Ghost recon is perfectly fine, it actually makes the game much more enjoyable. If you think that "hey i know where he is so that means i'll kill him" is what ghost recon is about then you are foolish. Ghost recon just speeds up a slow game, no one sober wants to wait 5 min for 1 guy to find 1 other guy, that is boring. And just cuz you know where he is don't mean you can kill him.. It just speeds up the natural process.. So where is ghost recon bad?

And of course i promot ghost recon and tk'ing, it is the most fun topic to have people bitch about. And you don't even really know if i do either. But it pushes buttons and that is fun.

My fav part of today is when i took out my whole team with 1 clip of my de... it was great. 5 headshots in a row :) gotta start taking demos of this stuff.

Luminuis

12th May 2001, 12:48 PM

Yeah, I wanna see your aimbot in action!

TKs and Ghost Recon make the game LESS fun, Ghost Recon simply because it makes it les realistic and TKs are obvious.

And I don't "hide" on any server, so come find me bitch, my MP5 wants to make you realize the error of your ways witha few supressed shots to the back of your head.

BrownCow

12th May 2001, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Gabriel
Yeah, I wanna see your aimbot in action!
TKs and Ghost Recon make the game LESS fun, Ghost Recon simply because it makes it les realistic and TKs are obvious.

IF ghost recon is so unrealistic then explain to me 5 40mm grenades hitting in a hall in a building and not having thta building fall on someone.

There is very few actual relistic thing in inf.. Saying someone isn't realistic and not liking it for that reason is ignorant. At least have a good excuse not to like it.

Ghost recon adds to the stragity.. and guess what, we don't have scouts in inf.. They do in real life, and the ghosts act as those scouts.

I was against ghost recon, then i used rw and it was much much more fun to play, you ddin't wonder around for 5 min looking for someone on sicily, it got straight to the point. And in any case, if both teams are ghost reconing, it cancels it out. And that is what should be going on.

I'd use my aim bot on ya, but it has bugs, so i'll have to just use nades. sorry. And tk's don't make the game less fun either i'm afraid to say.. When i get tk'd, big deal, i wait till next round. A death is a death, if you don't like waiting for the round then of course tk is gunna suck, but so does dying period!

I'm gunna play some more tonight and see how many players i can tk before they kill me.. it is gunna be a blast.

Luminuis

12th May 2001, 01:14 PM

/me yawns

40 mike mike grens don't have the POWER to blow a building down, they're anti personelle Fragmentation grenades, they're pressure blast isn't anywhere NEAR what would eb neccesary to blow a building up, maybe a wood shack but only if it was a rickety one.

Also, When people die in real life they die, they don't come back as ghosts and recon for their team. That's unrealistic.

As to your statement of us lacking scouts and the real world having them...

The real world has scouts if people act as scouts,

INF works the same way.

As to TKing not being fun, When I'm purposely being TKed I'm not having fun, I'm glad you LIKE purposely getting TKed but that's your fetish not mine.

All in all browncow, I think you're brown cause you're a heaping pile of ****.

UTProphet

12th May 2001, 07:34 PM

Don't get me started. Good job DarkBls :)

Aequi

13th May 2001, 07:15 PM

The direction this thread took really annoys me...

Why do a story about people discovering that playing a pistol only teamdeathmatch game can be fun, has to be turned into a story about evil opressive players that use heavyhanded methodes to force something un-fun down innocents throat ????

...its not realistic.

Who cares! ....is it fun?

...make a private server.

Year right, everytime the people on some public server feel like a change in pace they gotta go elsewhere when they are already on a server that has the bandwidth that is nessesary to these kind of games.

...go play a different mod.

Why? ...peope are having fun on this one!

...but its not realisme!!!!

*sigh* public servers is not realistic to begin with, if you realisme people where rulers of everything, everyone would be required to sign up through a clan and go trough basic training before being even allowed to play a real match and public servers would't exisist along with offline play.

I DO to a degree understand the goal of Infiltration and that the targetgroup of players is hardcore realisme crackhead addicts :) and with that i also expect that at some point i will no longer be able to have fun playing this mod.

...but for gods sake just cause a person, still flying on the happyrush from having fun in a pistol-only-match, posts here in an attempt to share, is no reason to make it a look like having fun in Infiltration is a bad thing.

imho, the message was not: "We forced people to play our way by tk'ing them"
...it was: "hey pistol only matches can be fun"

Besides the point:
...I agree intentional tk'ing is bad, i don't like it because it interupts the fun the people is "proberbly having".

It is stupid considering its suppose to be tdm, but the fact that intentional tk'ing in a tdm game is not how the game "should be played", is actually secondary to me when i compare it with the un-fun factor of it.

If a player joins 4-5 people on a public server having fun with a pistols-only-match, yet after realising this desides to be a jerk and spoil the fun people where having - Intentionally!
...is almost as bad as running around and doing intentional tk'ing, its sertainly equally un-fun.

Disclaimer: English is my secondary language, so if you must resort to criticising gramma (or is it grammar) or punctuation, please post the full paragraf(s) with your corrections instead of just pointing them out!

Tommy Atkins

13th May 2001, 11:12 PM

Two things:

1.
Originally posted by Edge(Tribe)

resistance as in tk'ing them until they conform or leave?
*cough*communist*cough* Eh?

2. Does nobody else smell Forum Troll here? (No, not you Edge...)

gpk

15th May 2001, 04:42 AM

Thank u Aequi, u summed it up nicely...

gpk

DarkBls

15th May 2001, 06:01 AM

But this topic have side effects ;)

Phuzzybear

16th May 2001, 08:08 AM

Pistols matches are fun!
Life is short.
I have never heard a gun say its dry or wet.
TKing is bad.
A kick vote will be nice.
Infiltration is cool.
DarkBIs is a good moderator.
Work with your team-mates.
Lead by example. . . . .

WHATS A FORUM TROLL?

DarkBls

16th May 2001, 08:40 AM

Pistols matches are fun!
Some people seems like it.

Life is short.
I cannot agree more !! You're right man :D

I have never heard a gun say its dry or wet.
Me neither! But you know in INF it is you character who say that not your gun ! ;)

TKing is bad. A kick vote will be nice.
Infiltration is cool.
DarkBIs is a good moderator.
100% with you ! Specialy with the last part :D

Your post is sympatic and I think it would be a nice end to this thread.

Aequi

16th May 2001, 09:45 AM

Troll discription (taken from Everquest):

Trolls typically stand about 8' tall, are extremely strong, ugly, stupid, dirty, and green of skin. With such characteristics, one can only assume that trolls are not pleasant folk. That assumption would be correct.

Trolls bask in the glory of killing, eating their kill, and killing some more. They do this not out of instinct but out of purely evil motives. Their dark hearts pump with malice and the need to destroy that which is not troll.

The troll has the natural ability to regenerate which make them troublesome to kill.

~ Now Forum-Trolls are not much different, actually they are much worse :)

Tommy Atkins

16th May 2001, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Aequi
~ Now Forum-Trolls are not much different, actually they are much worse :)

Lo Aequi m8y - long time no see. The Everquest description looks accurate, apart from the "8' tall" and "extremely strong" bits. Replace 'kill' with 'wind people up' and there you go.

...I think they're green though, but a trusty forum admin can stop them regenerating with their magical powers. ;)

Now, what the hell are you doing looking at Everquest- get back on the Inf servers, man :D

gpk

17th May 2001, 04:23 AM

Hey guys had a great time w/ the Knives only matches!
GGs!

gpk

PhyreDance

17th May 2001, 05:02 AM

That was awesome gpk. Going 1on1 with the knives, then having the next guy step in once the other died. It was almost like a mini-tournament we had going there. Loads of fun.

MoNDoGuY

17th May 2001, 01:03 PM

where is all this going down?

JonnyBoyDT

17th May 2001, 07:55 PM

yeah I'd like to get in this action sometime :)

I'd kill GPK within two seconds

DarkBls

17th May 2001, 08:48 PM

->gpk

You have already started a thread on this topic !

Furthermore this thread became very disturbing.

Why the hell did you start a new one ?

I merged your new to the old one.

*MERGED*

gpk

17th May 2001, 09:50 PM

It's because the original one degenerated into lord knows what and the new one for for a KNIVES ONLY match a few of us had last night...it was pure and innocent, now it's tainted...
Merge bad :(

DarkBls

17th May 2001, 09:55 PM

It would have the same fate...

Try to rise the level on this one !

Promote knife fighting with repect of other guy will, etc...

MorphineAlien

21st May 2001, 11:23 PM

I can't believe what I'm hearing! Tk'ing is cheating and forcing your wants onto other players. Advocating tk'ing for any reason is BS. People who tk for any reason are limp wristed jerks that hide behind the anonymity of the internet and nicknames. If your "real" name and address was posted every time you tk'd someone I bet the tk'ing wuss bags wouldn't be so tough.

DarkBls

22nd May 2001, 06:10 AM

/Me gives a wine bottle to MorphgineALien ! :D

Antedeluge

22nd May 2001, 03:29 PM

I often play with just pistols or just a knife. People see me doing it and say, "We should play pistols(or knives) only." Then others say, "No way, that sucks." Then the pistol/knife promoters say to me, "Don't you think we should play pistols/knives only?" Then I say, "That's just how I'm playing, everyone else can play however they want to." Sometimes more people start to use pistols/knives, sometimes they don't. I don't care either way because the pistols are very effective weapons and I have used them to take down hostiles carrying all different kinds of weapons. When I play pistols or knives only I do it for fun, and I don't ask people who don't want to play that way to do so.

I just try to lead by example. Play well, play nice, and respect the other players.

DarkBls

22nd May 2001, 03:56 PM

I just try to lead by example. Play well, play nice, and respect the other players

Nothing else to say !

MorphineAlien

23rd May 2001, 12:28 AM

Roger that DB.............

DLL

23rd May 2001, 02:55 AM

DarkBls - Dude.. no wonder you are a moderator, you have far more patience then I do. I hope to have as much patience as you some day.

Gabriel - Amen

The rest o' you - Infiltration is a combat simulator and it has rules. Players are governed in their loadouts by two factors: money and bulk. These are the rules of Infiltration and no one disputes this fact. A lot of people take a lot of time trying to configure the 'perfect' loadout. A lot of people practice and become familiar with a certain weapon. 90% of the time it is not a pistol. Those same people do use their pistols as SIDEARMS. I certainly do. Let me give an example: I'm in a hot position with enemy troops very near by and I've just capped three soldiers and my MP5 is out of ammo. I hear another enemy soldier coming and rather than reload my MP5, I switch to my pistol. It takes about half the time to switch to my pistol and is the difference between making a kill and being killed.

I've been on servers when the players want to play pistols and I understand that it can be fun. I was polite and I left because I didn't want to play pistols only. I really like shooting an MP5. A pistol is kinda boring to me. So sue me. But I do disagree with you guys trying to make a pistols only 'rule' and enforce it. That's a bunch of crap. If you want to make the rules, open your own pistols only server. Period.

DarkBls

23rd May 2001, 08:14 AM

Thx for the compliment, but I should admit this thread start to be on my nerve a bit now...

TheSniper

23rd May 2001, 01:47 PM

LOL@this thread!:D

GNAT

29th May 2001, 11:15 AM

Dark - if everyone is in accordance with playing pistols - nothing wrong with it.

If everyone is not, then something is wrong, I broke a pistol game up last night, but not because I didn't want to, because someone esle didn't want to. No big deal... TK'n a non pistol user? immediate kick from myself on any of my servers. It is gay to make someone play a certain way... but... I find it disturbing that you are so against it on a public server. MUF has 3 public servers and 2 private servers. I have seen many many pistol fights on these servers. As well as knife fights.

I see this two ways, If I join and someone starts telling me (the admin) how to play I will not take it nicely... I will raise hell and make them change their tone(this has happened). If they say pistols only please gnat, then I will say ok, changing my loadout or I will leave. Simple as that.

I tried to follow the link to the MUTATOR but I CAN"T find it. It took me to some weird place, please repost a link to this mutator and we will set up a certain day for pistols/knifes on one of the muf servers!!!!

DarkBls

29th May 2001, 11:25 AM

About pistol only mutator ask to ZundFolge. He saved a lot of captain pathetico mutator.

I'm not angainst pistol only matches on public server !
I don't like it, it is not the same !

if everyone is in accordance with playing pistols - nothing wrong with it.

Agree !

TK'n a non pistol user? immediate kick from myself on any of my servers

Glad to hear that!
Because I experienced it yesterday for one more time !
I hate this kind of stupid guys !http://shoe.free.fr/msmiley/mad.gif

I'm just AGAINST people who try to force others to play like they don't want to !

crazy talk

29th May 2001, 12:22 PM

yes i have been shot in the back once by a guy trying to force his will, actually it was 2 guys lol you might no them they go by crackwhore and rozer they are both apart of a clan i think (ld). after they tked me i just killed them everyround after that and eveytime i see them it will be the same. now when they join the same server they go on the other team lol. so if someone tk's you on pupose just retaliate at the begining of the round and kill them. i'm against tking but i'm not against defending yourself.

GNAT

29th May 2001, 01:59 PM

Yea crackwhore and his buddies have already been banned from the muf servers..

DarkBls

29th May 2001, 02:30 PM

How the banning system work ? It is an IP based system ?

Because most people have Dynamic IP adresses. And you can change you name like you want too...

GNAT

29th May 2001, 02:36 PM

first you ban an ip, if they come back ban another one, it bans ips and names. If they keep coming back ban their subnet, that'll stop em along with their neighbors :)

DarkBls

29th May 2001, 02:37 PM

OK ! http://shoe.free.fr/msmiley/grin.gif

ragingsamster

10th Jun 2001, 11:36 AM

I joined an impromptu pistols and 'nade game, it was awesome, some guy would try and come in with a shotgun, or an MP5. and we'd take him out anyway. Awsome gameplay, Texas Bank is an awesome level for it too, I got dropped after about a half an hour but it was an enjoyable game.

TheViper

11th Jun 2001, 01:19 AM

OK, my $0.02.

I think pistols-only matches are a blast. However, they usually (there are always exceptions) only work well when there are just a few people on the server.

Here's where they don't work well: when one or two people out of 12 or more decide it's time to have a pistols-only match. It's darned difficult to get a dozen other people to agree. It's harder to guage the consensus than has been suggested in this topic (the idea that all you need to do is take a vote and see if 90% or more agree). I've been in matches where the instigators vigorously claim (usually with much whining and cursing) that a majority have agreed to a pistol match when I've seen NO vote, and NO indication that a majority has even expressed an opinion.

Sometimes I go along with it if there seems to be a few others who want to change to pistols-only. Until I get blown away by someone's automatic weapon or M203, when is what usually happens. Then I go back to automatic weapons because I ain't going to let THAT happen again, and sure enough -- one of the pistols-only instigators TKs me. There is NO WAY to get everyone to vote on this issue in most games, most people just don't speak up. I've seen it many times. I've seen it work only a few times. Regardless of the outcome, it always causes hard feelings, cursing and TK'ing.

IMO, pistols-only matches should be started only on servers set up for it (the aforementioned mutator) and on empty servers where a few people who want to play this way agree to meet and go for it. They can tell newcomers that they're playing pistols only, and that usually works -- the newcomers usually either comply or go elsewhere when they see that everyone is already using only pistols.

So, please, when you want a pistols-only match, go to a pistols-only server, or ask in a regular game for people who want to do pistols-only and get them to go with you to find ANOTHER server, an empty one, to start such a match. Don't try to change an already-full-up server to pistols-only in the middle of a match.

And GNAT, thank you, THANK YOU, for banning Crackwhore from MUF servers!