New Armory and G11 still there?!

[[121st]Calvin]

Well, the Armory has been updated. And the G11 is still in the upcoming-weapons-section.
I know that INF is not just covering weapons of the Army and that the DesertEagle isn't used by any soldier in the world, but the G11 is a special case.

Not a SINGLE exemplar of this weapon is used in the world by any person... Plus: it has to be incredibly expensive! That would blast the credits available in INF.

And because of it's highly-accurate burst mode it will become an one-shot-one-kill weapon.

I would like to know more about this. Why is the INF Team encouraged to add the weapon? Should it become a status symbol for INF?

[The_Fur]

Not a SINGLE exemplar of this weapon is used in the world by any person...

I believe either the KSK or the GSG9 used the G11 in small numbers for a while.

[ThunderChunky]

I don't believe so... :)

[[121st]Burton]

As far as I know, the G11 has been never used by anyone.
It had problems with overheating and therefore exploding ammo. These probs were never fixed and developement had been stopped.

[The_Fur]

I did find a site a while ago which still sold the 4.7mm Caseless ammo for the G11, it was a manufacturers site so if they stiull make ammo for it SOMEBODY is using the gun.

[Lord_Bunker]

i've never heard anything of it overheating. it was a competetor for entering service several times. both here in the us and over sees. it think it was jsut too advanced. kinda like the sr-71.

and drop all the crap about wanting to kick the g11. i don't think there's a loyal person here that wouldn't want to see every gun ever produced in inf.

[Mad_Dog]

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And because of it's highly-accurate burst mode it will become an one-shot-one-kill weapon.
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all the inf weapons are one shot, one kill, if you use them right. i pull off kills with a 3-5 shot burst with the mp5 every night. i wanna see this gun in inf, because it is so advanced and accurate.

[Nerf Herder]

German special forces reportedly ordered a number of them. Whether or not they use them is another question.

[Superstition]

The HK G11 got more advanced after testing by German forces and US and is now called the HK ACR, but it's almost impossible to find any really decent info on the latter.
<A href="http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g11/g11.htm"> Check here and cream yourself</A>

Don't tell me that doesn't deserve to stay in, IT'S AWSOME!! Also I think it's the same gun as used in 'Aliens' but they modified it.

[ElectricSheep]

Well, if the G11 *is* dropped, that means that all the time that went into modelling and skinning it was just a big fat waste. The team might as well have just sat around and picked their collective noses. Hell, that would have been more productive!

The G11 (and DE, for that matter) may not have a place in Infiltration, but it does have one in Inf-Lite. So I say bring it on!

[Dupre]

The G11 is NOT the gun used in the movie Aliens.

They used a Thompson .45 submachinegun rechambered to fire .22 blanks and part of a Remington shotgun for the grenade launcher when Ripley was loading the rounds into it (although when the GL was fired during filming, it was just compressed gas released beside the barrel).

In the scene when the group is leaving the Operations area through the airduct, you can plainly see shells flying out of the gun when Vasquez is hosing down the charging Aliens. The G11 is caseless.

[[121st]Calvin]

Well, don't you think that this beast is a 1337 overkill? It's just like the M16w/M203 discussion. TOO POWERFUL. Remember that the G11 has 45 rounds and you don't have to struggle against your recoil like you do with the burstmode of the M16. You just aim on some limp or so ...and the target is down! Nearly too easy ..eh?

[HanD_of_DarKNesS]

Reloads will be longer with the G11 though, as it is more complicated of a task to reload a magazine on a over-barrel horizontal mechanism like that of the G11 (and P90) than a standard undermount, vertical magazine.

As well, I haven't read about the wounding capability of the 4.73x33mm Caseless ammunition used in the G11, versus that of the 5.56x45mm NATO round. And remember that the G11 should be VERY expensive due to it's non-production status (think along the pricing line of the PSG-1: $8000+ is what I expect), as well as the lack of attachments (the M203 40mm GL is what makes the M16 very powerful in 2.85).

[Jarvis Hamilton]

I see some of your points here, but the G11 is just TOO COOL to drop!

[CAVERNA2K]

I can say that INF is the only mod with the G11. It´s a great improvement, ans so...

But, as for it has been droped: no way. It´s the diffence that makes the things evolute!!! I rememmber thinking that Warren was very exited about the idea of the G11, so that, he put it is his sig. Think a bit and see some floating poits not reaching, just like the program I´m doing now.

[DarkBls]

->HoD
will be longer with the G11 though, as it is more complicated of a task to reload a magazine on a over-barrel horizontal

Why ? I saw some people reloadin gtheir P90 in TV program and it seemes fast and easy.

[The_Fur]

I can say that INF is the only mod with the G11. It´s a great improvement, ans so...

No Wastelands Halflife allready has a G11


Still When the G11 comes it'll be my main weapon together with a p90 in my backpack and 2 five sevens in my holsters.

[[121st]Calvin]

Yeah! I see...

seems like this baby is the INF draught horse itself.
/me also wants this weapon, I was just wondering...
Lets take this not too serious. When Warren says it'll be in then it'll be in.

Fur: What about 2 FiveseveNs ?! Do you think of dual action? Or is the other weapon supposed to be thrown on your enemies ;)

[The_Fur]

double redundancy, a p90 if i'm out of g11 ammo, a five seven in case of urgency and another 5 seven just in case. No akimbo BS ere.

[poaw]

Am I the only one who notices how incredibly large and unwieldy the G11 is? :D

Let's look at them both from a objective standpoint.

I don't think it's so hot. I mean sure it has a three round burst that fires so fast that the last bullet leaves the barrel before you feel the recoil, but you still have to hit the target.

M16A2/M203 - 0
H&K G11 - 0

G11 has an integral scope making it easier to hit aforementioned target at long range.

M16A2/M203 - 0
H&K G11 - 1

M16A2 has a grenade launcher attachment available. But the G11 has a bayonet.

M16A2/M203 - 1
H&K G11 - 2

G11 has a 45 round magazine, while the M16A2 can only muster a measly 30.

M16A2/M203 - 1
H&K G11 - 3

M16A2 is dirt cheap, it's cost is almost comparable to some of the pistols. (On a side note: HAHAHA beat that Fur! I have a really cheap gun!)

M16A2/M203 - 2
H&K G11 - 3

Oh yeah one last thing, the M16 is actually in the game, meaning it wins by default.

M16A2 - 3
H&K G11 - 3


BTW, what's with all of the guns? Do you realize you'd have 135 rounds loaded without counting your spare magazines? How could you possibly get into a situation that required 135 rounds without being mowed down before the G11 ran out of ammo?

[ShakKen]

I wonder where one can find magazine pouched large enough to hold those monster P90/G11 magazines.

[The_Fur]

I'm quite sure somebody makes mag pouches for em or simply modified normal pouches.

I don't think it's so hot. I mean sure it has a three round burst that fires so fast that the last bullet leaves the barrel before you feel the recoil, but you still have to hit the target.

A definate plus, the G11 doesn't throw you off target after the 1st shot. Also the 4.7 caseless is supposed to have a flat trajectory compared to the .308, something the m16 could only hope to attain.

[Dr.Dase]

The G11 does not have 135 rounds loaded in the weapon, only 45. 50 on the earlier models though.

The 2 extra mags are just attached to the weapon, they don't feed it, it's like mag clamps, you still have to remove the spent mag and replace it with a loaded one, only it's faster than having to dig into pouches etc.

The 3rnd burst was intended to improve hit characteristics, and refrain troops from firing fully automatic at ranges where the excess rounds are just a waste. It has shown that usually, the 2 extra rounds miss at longer ranges at least, because of recoil. The G11's delayed recoil improves the chance greatly for those rounds to hit.

The only negative thing i can see about the G11 construction is the low power of the cartridge, it's even less than the 5.56mm NATO round, and has probably even less range....

[poaw]

I meant 135 by the number of weapons he said he was going to be carrying.

G11 - 45
P90 - 50
FiveseveN - 20
Backup FiveseveN - 20

That means it comes out to 135 loaded rounds that he's lugging around. I don't think I've ever used that much ammo in any 3 matches.

[HanD_of_DarKNesS]

Today was actually the first time in a long while where I had to change the Drum mag in my AKMSU due to actually emptying it.

I rarely ever carry more than 3 magazines for my primary weapon, and usually two for my Beretta M9 (sidearm). That's more than plenty for me, though I'll admit that I I have a tandancy to die before the end of the round rather than survive (though I usually last a while).

[The_Fur]

Well since my main weapon is in fact the m9 i can never carry more then 75 rounds at any time, still not all fire has to be aimed fire, some fire can be a crossfire (IE to deny access to your oponent), that is pretty ammo intensive and it mioght actually become usefull in fiuture once steps have been taken to kill the strafe snipers.

[Nukeproof]

Does anyone of you know, how this 'recoil delay' technical works? Is there some mass beeing accelerated inside of the rifle to absorb the impuls?

Would be kind if someone could give a brief explanation...

[Dr.Dase]

The mechanism is free floating inside the plastic cover, so the rounds are fired before the mecanism reaches the back part of the weapon, and thus transfering it's energy to the firer and the weapon.

[Nukeproof]

So my guess with the accelarated mass wasn't too bad :D

[Dr.Dase]

No, in fact you were totally correct, only the mass is actually the mechanism. Quite ingenous really, just like the rest of the G11 project....

[Excelsiore]

Want to build your own Colt M41A Caseless Pulse Rifle. Check this site out. You can buy a kit and make your own. Is expensive though.

http://home.pressroom.com/philips/pulser/printro.htm

[Luminuis]

G11 is just too good a gun to pass up.


That and the fact that it equals out the M16 w. 203.

[Patgod]

whats the russian gun that fired 2 rounds before the the recoil hits the shooter?

i want to say AN-92, but thats an transport plane i think

[Dr.Dase]

I think that's right, it's also called the Abakan, but not sure about the model number...

[The_Fur]

AN-94 Abakan (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm)

http://world.guns.ru/assault/abakan.jpg

Caliber, mm: 5.45
Cartridge: model 1974, 5.45x39
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943/728mm
Barrel length: 405mm
Magazine capacity, rds 30
Sighting range, m: 700
Cyclic rate of fire, rds/min: 1800/600 (1800 in 2 rds fixed burst mode or 2 first shots in full auto mode, all following shots in full auto - w 600 rds/min)
Weight without magazine: 3850g


This assault rifle was created for the Russian army as a replacement for the A K-74 with greatly improved accracy.This gun is designed with "delayed blowback impulse" gas driven automatics. This gun has 2 rates of fire: 1800 rds/min in fixed burst length 2 shots mode or in full auto mode - for first two rounds (all following rounds in the same burst will be fired with a rate of 600 rds/min). This mode "delays" blowback for first 2 shots and gives greater accuracy. Being formally accepted by Russian Army, it is very doubtful that this AR will replace the "good old" AK-74 in mass service anytime soon.


From good old Modern Firearms (http://world.guns.ru/eng)

[Lolo Konijn]

http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm

just for more info on the gun...

I don't know if it should be added to the game, but the argument "it is to good" is stupid. Weapons should be as good as they can be made. If its added its so expensive that you hardly can buy it, maybe even to expensive. (that would be fun just put the gun in the weapon list but it's to expensive so you can't buy it :D)

So what about this: its to expensive for public play, but in Clan Wars (or another gamemode) your team as a whole has a certain amount of money so they could buy a couple of cheap m16's and 1 or 2 G11's...

I ain't saying that a certain weapon should (or shouldn't) be in the game for any reason. Just implant as many as possible, but with there real price and disadvantages. Why aren't there civilian guns in the military? because they can't handle the situations they have to cope with, but that isn't a reason not to implant them. Just add them, but if you abuse it it would jam or something like that.

I know very little about guns, so if I'm completely wrong please don't flame me :)

[The_Fur]

On average Civillian guns actually cost more (civilians don't buy bulk guns usually, and then there is the fact that in the US at least the maufacturer that offers it's guns the cheapest get's to sell em).

[Patgod]

thanks, i knew i was at least close.