G36

[asmodeus]

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~johnhe/g36.html

I know it is in the armory... but I have a few questions and suggestions...

first, will it come in MG36? 100round light machine gun... could be used as alternative to the Minimi...

will we get to choose the barrel length?

what attachements will it get? (bayonet please!:)

apparantly it is in service in Germany and Spain.

IMO the G36E is the most handsome of the group

[HanD_of_DarKNesS]

From the armoury, the G36 variant the team is planning is the G36C Compact Carbine (http://www.planetunreal.com/infiltration/armory/#g36c).

[asmodeus]

yup, that's what I'm worried about...

of what I'Ve read... the G36C was designed as entry weapon for swat teams and the like...

sooo much for regualr army huh:rolleyes:

the G36E is the one used by regular armies:D

[INF_Neo]

The G36 E is the Export variant.
it doesn't have both, red-dot and 3.5× scope, just one of them.... can't remember which one it was... who's interested in export products?

I'd be happier with a G36K :D

regular army..... well, the German regular army definately doesn't use the Export version :D

[asmodeus]

pk well it's the same, except for the sights... whatever,.. I think it is more suited for INF than the G36c

[poaw]

Only 9 inches of barrel. That can't good. I think I'll mess around a little with it, maybe add it to a niche config, then go back to the M16 with it's longer barrel and grenade laucher that makes it a more logical choice for medium range engagements.

[asmodeus]

theres one with 18 inch barrel...
and teres a nade launcher for this one too

[poaw]

I know, but that really doesn't matter because neither one is in Infiltration.

[asmodeus]

yeah, but it's the one they should make in... it's the real military weapon.. the G36C is for LE

[Puncher]

The following G36 variants exist:

The "basic" G36. This is the variant used by the German Army (only some of the Army is equipped though, mainly KRK). It has a Red Dot collimating (Reflex) sight as well as a 3x magnification scope underneath. It also has the full length barrel, stock etc.

The G36E (Export). It is the same as the G36, except it does not have the red dot sight. Also, if I remember correctly, the scope only has 1.5X magnification.

The G36K (Kurz, meaning Short). It has the same sights as the G36, but is smaller, with shorter barrel and case. It also usually has a four-prong flash hider instead of a more normal kind which is closed in front. This variant is used by KSK (special forces of the German Army).

The G36C (Commando). It is very short, so even the shoulder stock is shorter. It too has a four-prong flash hider. Also the sights have been replaced by a rail with only an open sight ("iron sights") for quicker target acquisition as close quarters.

[asmodeus]

yeah, so why choose the C version? is it meant as an entry weapon for LE!

[Nerf Herder]

Maybe it's being issued to german tank commanders and the like.

[asmodeus]

yeah, maybe... but..I'd like to hear the team on that...

[Nerf Herder]

I'm not to informed on H&K weapons in general. Especially not the G36.

[Pleuresaap]

If the G36C is used by any specops unit or military i say keep it, cause it looks real cool and it may be competition for the M4A1. maybe the g36c is to short to hold the HK 40mm grenade launcher (yes, there is an m203 clone available from H&K wich can fit under the barrel of most of their assault rifles) but if it fits that would really be nice. If the G36C isn't used by anyone i suggest replacing it with the H&K HK53. for everyone who don't know: The HK53 is in essence an MP5A3 (A3 means with retracable stock) chambered for 5.56mm ammo (M16, SIG551). the HK53 can handle the grenade launcher and a whole lot of scopes and probably also a flashlight and laser but i'm not sure about those two.

[poaw]

I think they just want to keep the weapons differentiated from eachother. Afterall if you look at the other ARs they have planned, you'll see that most of the barrels are considerbly longer than the G36C's barrel.

[HanD_of_DarKNesS]

The H&K G36C was originally announced by the team in an INF news update just prior to the release of INF 2.85. It never made it into the armoury at that time because the armoury hadn't been updated in almost 6 months until it's redesign 2 weeks ago: hence the reason why Real Life Gaming (http://www.rlgaming.com) had it in thier armoury (whivh I also designed) for a month or two.

Pleuresaap wrote:

If the G36C isn't used by anyone i suggest replacing it with the H&K HK53.

The INF team has been quite adamant about only implementing weapons currently in military service, since some large threads broke out in the old forums arguing for the implementation of the OICW, and using the implementation of the DE and H&K G11 as arguments for such a weapon being added.

As such, you can be guaranteed that the G36C is currently in military service in one form or another.

[poaw]

Well one thing I've noticed about the weapons in Infiltration is that the exact variant they model may not be the primary variant of a weapon, but is a repersentation of what is in service.

[INF_Neo]

the G36C is definately NOT in service atm.

[Puncher]

As far as I know the G36C is not yet in any military service, it is mainly proposed as a variant for situations where even the G36K is too big (or rather the scopes too complex), namely extremely close quarter battle. An example would be house clearing.

But since its small size means it isn't all that accurate at bigger distances, couples with the very simple sights, it would only be good for special operations when you are sure you need no shooting over any distance. Since you can never be sure of that in a military context, the G36K is much better for a military special ops team. SWAT teams are the kinds of people who may possible use a G36C.

[HanD_of_DarKNesS]

It seems (according to HKPro) that "The G36C is now in production, and available to American law enforcement beginning in February, 2001". It doesn't mention anything about military service, however.

If this is indeed the case, why is the INF team implementing the "C" variant (bottom of picture below)? I'd much rather see the G36K (top of picture below) if it's in military use.

http://www.hkpro.com/image/g36ccomparison.jpg

[ShakKen]

I must admit, the G36 snuck in without my notice. Personally, I question it's being in as much as the next man, but team consensus is it stays in.

[asmodeus]

I think we all can agree on the fact that there needs to be one G36 weapon in there...

I only thougth that the C version was the less likely to go in...

[Puncher]

As I stated already, the G36C isn't of much use for a military context. The G36K is in military use (mainly by special forces). The KSK (German army spec ops) use it quite a lot, for example.

One of the problems with including the G36K or G36 is that some added aiming features would have to be put in Infiltration. After all, you would have three (or even four) different aiming possibilities:

1) from the hip
2) throught the reflex sight. This isn't too easy to portray correctly, since one eye, usually the right eye, sees the sight, pretty mch an unzoomed scope with a red dot, while the other eye sees the side of the weapon and the surroundings.
3) the scoped sight
4) the emergency sight (if the sights get broken you can knock of the primary sights and aim through iron/plastic sights in the handle)

The fourth sight probably wouldn't be included, since battle damage to the weapon is not implemented, but with 3 sights, a different way of aiming would have to be found, since hitting the aim key multiple times to get to the proper sight isn't really practical.

Note that in the Export (G36E) version the reflex sight is missing, but you'd still have the emergency sight.

[poaw]

I thought might also have something to do it.

BTW, what does a reflex sight look like?

[The_Fur]

The fourth sight probably wouldn't be included, since battle damage to the weapon is not implemented, but with 3 sights, a different way of aiming would have to be found, since hitting the aim key multiple times to get to the proper sight isn't really practical.


"Activate attachment"

[Puncher]

Activate attachment isn't that appropriate, since you might have a real attachment on your G36, such as a flashlight, grenade launcher, etc.

Looking through reflex sights you pretty much see a relatively large area (like an unzoomed scope) with a red dot, much larger than the tiny view you have looking through iron sights, and are also much more aware of your surroundings. It takes a bit to get usd to the sight, at first you will be trying to find that stupid red dot :) I can't describe it too exactly, since I only once had the chance to hold a G36 (very different feel than the G3 because of all the plastic) and look through the sights.

[INF_Neo]

I'd support a petition against the C - for the K

[Puncher]

I would definitely be for the G36K, though of course the mentioned problems would have to be solved. Especially since the G36K (or G36, no real difference besides barrel length) is a real military rifle, unlike the G36C, which is more of a SWAT rifle, pretty much a submachinegun firing rifle ammo.

[poaw]

I support the K over C. But I think the Steyr AUG would fill the role of a Assault rifle with an Intergal Scope.

[asmodeus]

I took a real liking in the weapon, and I was shocked to see that they chose the C... I'm still waiting for an official reason:)