prone firing and movement

The_Fur · Apr 27, 2001

When prone shouldn't the effects of recoil be reduced somewhat? It seems strange that the inf troopers gun is raised by the same amount when prone concidering the way he holds the gun.

Also I'd like to see a limitation on the turning ability when prone. IE you can only move say 35 degrees when prone without taking your eyes of the sights.
Within this distance you can move fairly fast, but when you move beyond this you turn slowly and you take your eyes of the sights.

Wolf Being · Apr 27, 2001

I fully agree and would broaden the 'less recoil' suggestion to include the kneeling position too. Possibly something like:

Standing: 100% Recoil
Kneeling: 50% Recoil
Prone: 25% Recoil

(I believe this has come up before)

When turning beyond 35° I would make turning while sighting slower, not impossible. That is closer to real life, IMO. On your weak side you can turn almost 90° without shifting the rest of your body. It's the strong side (your weapon hand's side) that is very limited.

The problem is we don't have seperate movement for head and torso, so since the entire body is moving as you turn, you should be able to turn infinitely without disengaging from aiming.

But the recoil issue should be easy to implement and bring a huge gain in realism.

RogueLeader · Apr 27, 2001

Also adding an animation for slowly going prone should be a priority so we don't have to deal with the insta-prone people.

The_Fur · Apr 27, 2001

uhm RL, do you really think that somebody under fire would fist look for a nice comfortable position to lie down, and thenslowly crouch to lie down? Nope he'd drop to the floor in about a second, IMO insta prone is fine but getting up should cost stamina and a couple (say 1.5-2) seconds

DarkBls · Apr 27, 2001

cost stamina and a couple (say 1.5-2) seconds

Cost stamina, I don't think. It should cost stamina when you stand up after.

1.5-2 Seconds ? You can throw yourself on the ground quicker than that !

About lying prone. I though about the AKMSU and the drum magazine...
This kind of magazine is cumbersopme, isn't it ? It don't really know the heigh of the weapon+magazine. But if the drum if too tall, it should be impossible to fire right in front of you. You see ?

The_Fur · Apr 27, 2001

lol, DB i'm talking about GETTING UP.

DarkBls · Apr 27, 2001

Ok

But what do you think about the drum ?

LordKhaine · Apr 27, 2001

I guess the drum makes a makeshift tripod, heh.

DarkBls · Apr 27, 2001

Maybe, but try to imagine if the seize of this "tripod" is too tall ?

LordKhaine · Apr 27, 2001

I think it would be ok. But I can't say I know for sure

Dr.Dase · Apr 27, 2001

I haven't actually seen one of these drums in RL, but i'd imagine that the drums take less or similar vertical space as the standard magazines, they are very long you know......

HanD_of_DarKNesS · Apr 27, 2001

I seem to remember a post on the old forums regarding the recoil on weapons used in prone.

It seems that without an ACTUAL bipod or tripod, an automatic weapon fired while prone will actually bounce more, due to the fact it's actually jumping off the ground.

MoNDoGuY · Apr 27, 2001

Originally posted by HanD_of_DarKNesS
I seem to remember a post on the old forums regarding the recoil on weapons used in prone.

It seems that without an ACTUAL bipod or tripod, an automatic weapon fired while prone will actually bounce more, due to the fact it's actually jumping off the ground.

Very good point, but I don't think the drum is that big anyways. And think of this when your aiming at someone you don't usually aim at the toes, so it would be that much of a handicap.

RogueLeader · Apr 27, 2001

Fur we have the abiity to throw yourself down, using double tap forward. But the ability to slowly go prone, by using a key or double tapping reverse still lets you go down instantly. Thats not the way things work... I've seen people dodge my bullets by instantly going prone.

Wolf Being · Apr 28, 2001

I can remember the thread, but not it's essence really... A weapon resting on something - anything - will always 'bounce' less than a weapon held freely. Tripods are good, but there's not that much of a difference between a tripod and, say a log., a rock or your arm. Since we have angled terrain in Inf and can't look for a little dip where we could rest our weapon on something while we fire, having recoil significantly reduced while prone as if we could seems realistic, no? Certainly a lot more so than maintaining you would end up aiming at the sky if you don't correct your aim...

Resting it on the mag is usually a bad idea because the farther back from the muzzle you rest the weapon on something the less stable it will be, but those are details, really.

LCJr. · Apr 29, 2001

The one major difference I see between a tripod and a log, rock, etc... is that your weapon is physically attached to a tripod and tripods aren't exactly featherlight. Never used one so dunno....

Wolf Being · Apr 30, 2001

Erm, did I say tripod? I meant bipod, really... Tripods would indeed be rather heavy, but stability would be much higher than with a log. A bipod doesn't weigh much though, and stability would probably be closer to that of resting the weapon on a log - the only thing is you have to open it before you can use it...

If you rest your weapon on your forearm or hand it won't bounce as much as if you would rest it immmediately on the rock/log. Actually, when prone and in a decent position, recoil as in 'throws my aim off completely' is practically inexistent.

DredDamo · Apr 30, 2001

I second RogueLeader's motion to slow down proning. Both the prone key and the crouch key are instantaneous now (even you, Fur, mention that a soldier will get down there in a second when under fire - this is the difference between .8 of a second and instant); this needs to be corrected. And if you throw yourself on the ground so fast, wouldn't you get the breath knocked out of you and jiggle the barrel of your gun just a bit as well?

Whereas now you can run, run, see enemy, insta-prone, fire, all under 0.2 of a second, I would say. With perfect aim.

ARG. It's very annoying, especially when players accused of prone whoring say "It's a rusher's only defense". Arg. That's supposed to be an argument?

I also believe that an adjustment of recoil and waver when running/crouching/proning is already under development.

Finally, I second the idea of limited turning ability. It should also be slower altogether...well, no, 35 degrees freedom sounds about right. So same within that, much slower beyond that as it would reflect the need to actually shift your position - not an easy thing while lying down flat.

[L]-Damodred

The_Fur · Apr 30, 2001

dunno, we'd need to time proning IRL

*grabs stopwatch*
*kicks shakkan in the nuts*

Yup, 'bout .5 seconds would be OK i Guess, also add a 1st person animation so they can't keep the gun aimed while diving for the floor.

ShakKen · Apr 30, 2001

Poor shakkan. Whoever 'shakkan' is.

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