"Cheats RULE, dude! Viva la speed cheat!"

If you cheat (and especially if you're laughing now and rolling your eyes as you read this), ask yourself a few questions: How funny will it be when I can't find anyone to play with who doesn't use cheats? When all honest games are private and password protected, am I REALLY stupid enough to think I'll have any fun? Cheaters never develop their real skills, so what hope can I have of ever being appreciated as a decent player? Do I REALLY want to spend the rest of my time playing UT and other games as as an evil-cliché-hugging, girly, cheat-dependent loser?

The speed cheat fad's just another example of today's m0tarded un-thinking. Speaking of which, after posting a _condemnation_ of cheaters in another thread yesterday, this morning I got this via Hotmai and ICQ this morning:

"i've got all the aimbots and a user.ini that cant be battled!!!
i can send it to you if you like!!
but can you please send me speedcheat."

Like I WOULD send the speedcheat if I wanted anything to do with it...?! I'm not posting the guy's name simply because I'm thinking of reporting his ass to the llama farm (and hoping, perhaps naively, that he'll get a clue), but suffice to say he's posted elsewhere on this server under the name he used to contact me. Also, regarding "free the cheats, dude" philosophy, _you have GOT to be kidding me_. That's like saying "let's proliferate greenhouse-effect-causing pollutants so everyone can have one, then, when the planet's entirely a #*%t hole, everyone will see how wrong they were to use them." Who's the 12-year-old mouth breather that came up with this one?

This has all driven me to make a public proposal of my own: If the girly turds must have their cheat servers and spread-the-stink philosopy, then how about the rest of us start _honest_ servers? By this I'm suggesting that they be password protected and that everyone have to register via the Web site (providing the same info you do for the PUF) and provide a nick they agree to stick to when logging on. If someone tries to use the password to log on with an unregistered name, an admin or a bot automatically boots them. Maybe it could log IP's as well, so if a cheater tried stealing someone else's account, they could could be busted more easily...? Maybe PU could start the trend, then it could spread to all honest servers...?

I'm no programming guru, but I'm pretty sure this' all do-able. I also know that a LOT of you honest players/good folk have higher-than-pond-scum IQ's. Surely a few of you who feel as I do are smart enough to code something like this in your sleep...? C'mon, guys - put those Gilligan's Island TC MODs aside for a week and help us out, would ya' please? I'm sorry to have come to you now asking for help rather than exclusively in gratitude, but IMHO (and that of many others, I'm sure), YOU'll always be the ones who _truly_ "own", anyway.

A Cheat-free Server...?

Hi Gold,


I appreciate the feedback from someone with the experience you have. I don't have HL, but I've read the speed cheat article and I don't doubt a word you've said.

However, what I'm proposing would _in theory_ be far less hassle for players than messing with Punkbuster: It requires no d/l's (unless you're going to run the server yourself) because rather than being a piece of software or MOD, it's primarily just a database. Players register at a Web site in much the same way that we register for nicks here at the PUF. The same kinds of info necessary to post here on the PUF could be taken down via CGI along with a nick the applicant agrees to stick to when playing on the server.

If someone tries to log on and their nick isn't in the admin's (or bouncerbot's) database, they're booted. If someone comes on a server and cheats using a registered nick, they're booted, warned, and sent a bot mail telling them they're on probation. A note is also bot-mailed to the admin and the suspected weasel's IP is crosschecked. The next time they connect, anything suspicious they do is autologged. If they cheat again (i.e. something funny's logged and 3+ witnesses testify or a demo is provided), they're banned permanently.

Is it possible that it wouldn't do any good and that most people wouldn't play on a clean UT server? I honestly don't know. I see no harm in trying, though.

Again, I'll ask: Isn't someone else out there bothered by this who has the skills necessary to code it? We're basically talking about C++ stuff, I think...? C'mon, guys - your community NEEDS you. <

Also, Gold - ya think I should repost this under a more prominent header (rather than the dubious one meant to sting cheaters)?

Originally posted by Gold
I think it is a cool idea but be prepared for disappointment. I also like to play half-life and really dislike the cheats I have seen on servers. When Punkbuster came out I thought it was a cool idea and was happy to see someone try to do something against cheating. Well I had a chance to try it a few weeks ago and what did I find? A bunch of empty servers. There was probably 1 half-life deathmatch running, 3 or 4 team fortress classic servers, and the rest were mostly counterstrike. All of them were relatively empty with the exception of a few counterstrike games (I wasn't trying to play late night/early morning either). Basically the amount of players and quality of games I was having was enough to make me remove Punkbuster and go back to the regular servers. I expected there to be a lot more people on anti-cheat servers than I saw. Since I always see articles on Gamespy and Planethalflife about cheating you would think you would see more people. Also since the number of Half-life players is so large (especially compared to UT and Quake 3 combined) you think the anti-cheat servers would have more customers. Sadly they didn't. I enjoyed playing without cheats for once, but with only a few servers to play on at a given time the game lost its fun. So I went back to the regular half-life servers and had fun. Of course I had to leave a few servers due to cheaters, but in the end the good servers I found provided a lot more fun than the Punkbuster servers. This leads me to believe that A) most people could care less about cheats, B) a lot of people use cheats or C) people don't like having to download and use third party software in order to play a game that doesn't require it.

I think A is the primary answer since even though half-life has and has had so many cheats, yet the number of players seems to remain high. I think I am a combination of an A and C person. I don't like cheats, but I don't play enough so that they really bother me that much. The reason I like CSHP is because I don't have to download it and run it in order to use a CSHP server. I bet if you had to do that CSHP would be in use by players a lot less.

Anti-cheat servers would be cool, but don't get your hopes up about the result. The best way I think would be something like CSHP that you download into your cache and doesn't make a person have to keep up with message boards and game sites in order to have the necessary stuff to join a clean server. I don't know the limits of something like CSHP to stop cheats that are external to CSHP. If the anti-cheaters can keep the anti-cheating tools within the game that would be the best method (assuming Epic doesn't fix anything)

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Whoops...

My apologies, NYGrrrl, and anyone else who only partially meets those criteria. No offense was intended, save to cheaters (who can LUMP IT, heh heh).

Originally posted by NYGrrrl


hey! i resemble that remark...
...well part of it anyways


agreed mostly - but hey cheaters prob never got past the eyes rollin part of your post...
but we can always hope! :>

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