How lame is this?

umm, i do think its called a disqualification

I was one of the admins on deck for last night's Shockwave fiesta.

Secrid PM'd me the minute he heard about Sonix asking to play for FU. I got Tantrum looped in immediately. Tantrum was not only broadcasting that match, but is also SW'd head admin. He said that Sonix would NOT be playing for another clan, since SOnix is on HV"s roster.

The next thing I know, Tantrum is asking both clan captains into a private channel to discuss it. Secrid, what ruling did Tant hand down? If the ruling was that Sonix could not play, and if in fact he did, have you taken this up with Vamp and Tantrum? I guess I just want to make sure of that before anything gets tossed into the 'net rumour mill.

I just don't want it thought that Teamplay.net allows ringers. We don't. Under any circumstances. If one was allowed, then there must have been something worked out, such as Sonix leaving HV. Rosters are not locked to my knowledge.

This is a case (IF in fact Sonix did play) of a clanner going against a ruling, not Teamplay allowing a ringer.

If Sonix did play, please send any and all evidence of this to Tantrum or Vamp immediately.

Thanks

/me is burned out and wrung out from last night's match hell

ok just read your reply Secrid. So the ruling was to allow it then? Sonix is off HV's roster?


Ok, here's my personal opinion: that is LAME. What's to prevent a clan from having, say , OVERTOAD join their clan for the night??

ok that was my personal opinion, now for the admin one. I'll talk to Vamp and Tant tonite and find out what the logic behind the allowance was. If it was to get the match played, due to lack of players, and no other time slots acceptable to the other team, then that's another story.

I'll keep you posted

Nice to see the same crap happening again and Sonix is involved. We had to play a clan who will remain nameless in a TP event and I was seeing Sonix name all over the place that he/she was gonna play for the clan in question.

I have also remember reading a post with the same crap. Sonix seems to be a mercenary for hire and plays for a few different clans!!

very lame indead!!!

I wanted to get this nipped in the bud before it became a firestorm. I've talked to Vamp, and expect an official ruling of some sort on this very soon.

Unfortunately, Sonix broke no rules "technically". And that is as much TP's fault as anyone's. Rules need to be more clear so no loopholes are found.

As for a "ruling" no official ruling had been made even as of the time I read this after spending 2 hours working on recaps for last night's games.

As a personal note, I'm appalled. Sonix's skill level is such that he can carry any team to a victory simply by nature of his being in the game. While you can't make rules for what skill level someone has to be before subbing, there's something called honor. Sonix is my friend and I'm quite shocked that something like this happened. He is, however, not on HV's roster. If he's truly joined FU then nothing can be done about that. Other than the fact that it's shady as hell.

I'm lobbying for a rematch. Whether my words will carry any weight, remains to be seen. I joined Teamplay as a admin for this very reason. To be an unbiased ear for clanners in these situations. And whatever I can do to help, I will.

Hey Troll!!

How about a ruling that a player has to be registered in the team lineup for a week before they can play and also be unable to register for a team until a week after they unregister with a prior team??


just an idea

do the math on how sonix contributed from the ngstats( http://www4.ut.ngworldstats.com/fcg...f&ip=198.144.72.135&port=7777&ts=977115008170 ) and it seems pretty obvious that lsd would have taken mcs without the "ringer for a month"(sonix's own words from the unreality boards).

The exact same happened to us in a shockwave tdm event. It was with clan [PLACENAMEHERE], where one of the top players quit a clan to play against us with his brother immediately before the match. He aliased with the name Playah and didn't bother telling officials. It was figured out during the match. I felt it was lame.

I guess the thing is, he quit his clan, then joined a new one. I'll be very interested in seeing how long it takes him to re-join HV.

I don't know how his ex-clan {HV} feels about this, but I wouldn't like it at all.

God, that's lame. "Legal" or not, it's a clear exploitation of a loophole in the rules. Sometimes rules don't cover everything, and you would hope common sense and decency would take care of the rest. I guess not always. Too bad.

Here's what I don't want to see come out of this thread: the assumption that 100% of FU was behind this, or that 100% of HV supported it.

Sonix had "retired" from UT recently. Sonix IS off the HV roster. Technically there is no rule he violated, because rosters are not locked for Shockwave.

I am NOT defending this, merely trying to keep it from becoming a mud slinging contest.

A rematch would settle things , and that has been the opinion I've expressed to Vamp and Tant. I can't say if that will be the result. Personal opinions are hard to put up against technical rules. A loophole in the rules was exploited. Only Sonix in his own heart knows if that was deliberate, or a real wish to leave his clan and join another. When it comes to these things you have to go with concrete evidence and when it comes to "intent" , that is hard to prove.

The result of LoL's experience on their first UTI2 match that Morety mentioned, resulted in the mandatory locking of rosters, and an enforcing of the rules to a higher degree in the big league tournies. Except with our case, the clanner in question did NOT leave his clan. Simply went ahead and played without even leaving his own roster. That sucked.

I still maintain however (and take this as you will) that this should have been something brought up to the admins and ruled on , before it gets on a public board and starts the rumour mill going. But that's just my opinion. This WAS a very serious issue and the head admins had been discussing it at length today, and were simply holding off on a ruling until getting input from other admins and talking to both clans and other involved parties wherever possible. I would have recommended waiting for a ruling (which, if logic prevails, will be in your favour) , before starting yet another drama before the end result, which the community has quite enough of already

just my 2 cents. for what they're worth.

Wow, that is incredibly lame...

Good thing you guys didn't play them in Lavagiant.... the "100% pure wisconsin HV cheese" might've given it away

Well, sh!t, Kravnos just retired, maybe we'll get him into CMi for our next match!

BTW, here's his retirement "speech":

http://pub36.ezboard.com/fonlinegaming92978frm1.showMessage?topicID=87.topic

Someone get Sonix in here and give him a chance to defend himself before we all start saying how lame he is. It does look fishy, but I've played with Sonix and he always is real cool to me so I wanna make sure he gets a fair chance.

He did say that he wouldn't be playing for HV anymore about a week or so ago, and he hasn't played for HV in at least that long. He has been wearing the HV tag in IRC, but that doesn't mean anything. So I have no problem believing that he is serious about leaving HV. The question is, is he serious about being on FU?

Even if he is serious about being on FU, it still kinda looks bad the way it went down. Shockwave should reward teams that have been working together and stuff, not teams that managed to get a superstar on the roster at the last minute. But if he is really and truely a member of FU, maybe he should be allowed to play for them? I dunno. It still feels kinda tainted.

#LoL has become kind of popular. At any given time there are members of |C|, or 187 or EE or syn or MMSS in our channel. We could easily snag a ringer for an important match. And for clans on our level, one guy like Sonix or Dragonash or Bex or Corren would definitely win the match for us. But I wouldn't feel good about it. I want to feel like ]LoL[ wins it for ourselves. Hydra/Sonix had a 67% efficiency on that map! They won by one cap. Can FU possibly feel good about the win? The worst part is, some FU player, who has been there all along, had to sit on the bench so that Sonix could come in and win it for them.

It is an impressive feat that Sonix can jump on just about any team and make them a Shockwave contender, but it is a much more impressive feat for a group of players to stick together and develop a team over a period of time.

I don't think we should make a witchhunt out of this, to be honest I think FU should feel worse about it than Sonix, but it would be cool if Teamplay did something about the rules to ensure this doesn't happen again. Having to be on the roster for a few weeks in order to play is a good idea.

I wonder what would have happened if he had tried playing as [FU]Sonix? It would have been nice to at least know what we were up against.

Psychocybin

official ruling from tp:

http://www.teamplay.net/d?e=38507

Well called!

Perfectly worded, very well put. Props to TP!