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Githianki
30th Sep 2001, 08:26 PM
Can somebody else confirm this? I have UT set to 32bit in Preferences under (Options/Video) but while tinkering with my unrealtournament.ini and the various renderer settings I noticed that D3D is set to 32bit=False. This can be changed directly of course (and works if you edit it) BUT...

It seems as if setting the game to 32bit in preferences doesn't change the .ini for D3D. I am not on my machine to fully verify this, but maybe someone could do quick test. It could mean that a lot of results posted here for D3D are way off.

Also I think Tim said once that they had disabled Curved Surfaces in the engine so that option setting is a legacy that would have NO effect whatsoever even for experimentation. I set it true to see what it looked like, but noticed no difference. It would be hard to tell in UT anyway without using the console stuff to stop play and check out the meshes, which I did not do. This would be too bad if true as newer processors and g-cards could handle the tesselations pretty easily I think (up to x9 polys!).

Lastly, does roughly 48fps seem right for a 1.33/266 Athlon with 512MB CAS2 PC133, a GeForce2 MX 32MB (DH Pro) AGP x4, Nvidia XP drivers, Win ME at 1024x768x32 with Everything on, including onboard audio (iwill KK266) with EAX at 44k? (AGP aperture set to 64MB) This is in either D3D or OpenGL as they are within a few frames of each other when same settings are used. I figured I had enough horse for 60fps on cityintro average but...

[Serious Sam rocks with everything maxed out and never slows but I haven't figured out the fps stat command yet. I know UT is CPU heavy but really I expected much better for a game so old :). This is a new system BTW.]

titonium
3rd Oct 2001, 05:58 AM
800x600x16
min. 28 max. 85 ave. 50.5

PIII 500
256mb PC133
Leadtek Geforce2 MX 32mb oc'd to 175/390
13gb 7200rpm IBM HD


Everything tweaked. World High. Skin Medium. Decals off.

Rooster
3rd Oct 2001, 06:46 PM
Githianki (it's actually Githyanki btw ;)) - yeah, your FPS looks about right given your video card (MX).

dig314
5th Oct 2001, 06:53 AM
Micron Pentium2 400mhz SE440BX-100mhz-mobo
384 ram
Voodoo3000 agp
3dfx Driver
800 x 600
world / skin HIGH
decal + dynamic lighting

min 19 max 72 avg 32


I am thinking about a POWERLEAP upgrade.
Either a P3-850 combo ( not currently available ) or a 1.1ghz Celeron.
If you are looking to upgrade, and you want to keep your ram and mobo, check out www.powerleap.com
HOWEVER, I can't personally recommend them, because I haven't bought their product.

My questions:
Would you rather have a PentiumIII-850 or CeleronII-1.1ghz ?
Which one would perform better at 3d games ?

thanks

Cirian
5th Oct 2001, 09:23 AM
Cityintro.unr

Volumetric lighting, translucency, shiny surfaces, curved surfaces, vertex fog, AGP textures, 32 bit textures, detail textures, decal, coronas and skin + world detail on high.

Min: 50.65 Max: 158.42 Average: 79.46

800x600 at 32 bits

AMD Athlon 500, 384mb PC133 RAM, with a Maxi Gamer Cougar (TNT2 Pro) and the Detonator XP drivers..... D3D mode. 12gb, 9600 HDD

Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

It does set bitdepth in the ini:
[WinDrv.WindowsClient]
WindowedColorBits=32
FullscreenColorBits=32


And you can easily tell the difference, on your menus, if you can see any colour banding, your in 16 bpp mode.

Deathmaker
5th Oct 2001, 09:34 AM
http://www.mpz.co.uk/cwm/cwm/big/eek3.gif

Rooster
6th Oct 2001, 09:36 AM
Yup - I'd have to agree Deathmaker.

Minimum of 50fps is impossible with a 500MHz machine and a TNT2 @ 32bit color depth.

megatron
6th Oct 2001, 11:37 AM
I am thinking about a POWERLEAP upgrade.
Either a P3-850 combo ( not currently available ) or a 1.1ghz Celeron.
If you are looking to upgrade, and you want to keep your ram and mobo, check out www.powerleap.com
HOWEVER, I can't personally recommend them, because I haven't bought their product.

Sounds like everglade when you upgrade a 100Mhz system to 400Mhz - but it is still crap because the mobo is still working at the slow speed. Nothing like changing the mobo to give you more options.

Deathmaker
6th Oct 2001, 01:57 PM
dig314, I would prolly go with the PIII 850. I'm not familiar with the Powerleap upgrade but I know the Evergreen PIII 700 version retails in the UK for around 165. The thing is, as Megatron says, why pay that when you can pickup a 1gig Athlon plus a decent motherboard (both using your current memory) for about 140. :hmm:

eNio
6th Oct 2001, 08:16 PM
Ok benched again, vsnch off
min 49
max 259
avg 73
800x600x32 d3d have to try opengl, waiting rooster to send me his opengldvr. Tragicaly in love in UT textures:D :D :D :D :D :D

Cirian
7th Oct 2001, 03:45 AM
OK.... here is my log, my ini and a screenie.

Yesyes, I'm sure all of you will claim that I was bored enough to forge all of it, but no, I wasn't.

First off, the screenshot:

*EDIT: Mah spealung rocks!*

Cirian
7th Oct 2001, 03:46 AM
Now the log and ini:

Deathmaker
7th Oct 2001, 05:30 AM
Hmmm, maybe if you let the Cityintro run ALL the way thro' you would get an accurate result. Typically the intro renders around 6000 frames and takes about 85 seconds to complete. :con:

Deathmaker
7th Oct 2001, 05:42 AM
Muhahahahaha! Ph34r my screamin' rig! :D

gwalahad
7th Oct 2001, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Rooster
That's what I've seen from sharkbite.dem and utbench.dem - they are not really realistic for what you'd actually see. They're considerably lower.

That's why I like the Cityintro - it's very accurate.

http://www.planetunreal.com/images/bullet2.gif
|C|Rooster|PuF
Defenseman for |C|ondemned (http://clancondemned.homestead.com)


it's hardly accurate,i get 26.61fps in cityintro,in an average game i only get 13-14(30players CTF)

gwalahad
7th Oct 2001, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by Deathmaker
Muhahahahaha! Ph34r my screamin' rig! :D
i suggest you play in a higher resolution

Cirian
7th Oct 2001, 06:19 AM
That is running it to the end.... the first one I let restart, and the second one I stopped after it said "press esc to begin".

8.33 seconds..... so slomo 4 was set or something ;)

Deathmaker
7th Oct 2001, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by gwalahad

i suggest you play in a higher resolution
Is 1152x864x32bit high enough? If you look at the screenie of the console you might be able to work out the cheat (no, not an edited image). :hmm:

<edit> lol, you guessed it Cirian. I set slomo to 0.1, restarted the game (to clear the console) then ran the intro. ;) </edit>

Rooster
7th Oct 2001, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by gwalahad

it's hardly accurate,i get 26.61fps in cityintro,in an average game i only get 13-14(30players CTF)

OMG.. you actually TRY and play a 30 player CTF? I bet you're on dial-up as well. If it's online - you're choking your system with your connection - it's trying to get all the info on everyone. It's not that the intro is not accurate (although you will see higher Max FPS's in game), but you're expecting WAY too much out of a 30 player game. You better believe it's gonna suck. :D

I thought LoL's 10 vs 10 CTF games were a nightmare. I can't imagine 15 vs 15, on WHAT MAP!?!

:D

Wow.... 30 players.... yikes.... :rolleyes:

Cirian
9th Oct 2001, 05:32 AM
Rooster, do you believe me yet? :D:rolleyes: :p

[DiE]Eagle
14th Oct 2001, 10:51 PM
System Specs:

Voodoo 5 5500
Asus A7M266
Athlon 1.4ghz 266FSB
512mb DDR Ram


7442 frames rendered in 82.55 seconds.
Min: 54.05
Max: 139.73
Avg: 90.14

Running glide @ 1280x1024

Eagle

Rooster
14th Oct 2001, 11:14 PM
Nice Eagle! Glad to see Voodoo still kickin' some tail!

Fomhoire
17th Oct 2001, 11:28 PM
Abit KT7A-RAID
Athlon 1.1Ghz
256 MB RAM
Voodoo 5 5500

1024x768
Min 41.19
Max 96.89
Ave 60.55

It used to be higher, Max around 128 fps.

Recently I've been having problems with sudden slowdowns to around 10 fps. It will slowly recover after about a minute. Rebooting solves the problem for a short period of time. I checked for things running in the background. The only thing I let run is irc. No stray programs. I think it may be time for a reformat.

Guardian 452
26th Oct 2001, 12:01 AM
Well since every one else has whipped theirs out :D

Win 98
AMD Athalon 650
128MB ram (dunno which kind)
16mb 3dfx voodoo3 3000GTV

Res. 800 x 600 x 16
World & skin @ meduim
Deacals & Dynamic lighting on.

Min. 33.83 Max. 61.73 Avg. 52.49

dig314
26th Oct 2001, 06:44 AM
Been making some upgrades...

Micron P2 400
Intel SE440BX 100mhz
384mb Ram
AGP Voodoo 3000
Creative Labs Awe64

800x600x16
min 19 max 72 avg 32

$ 50 PowerLeap CPU Adapter
$150 P3-850 (100mhz FSB)

800x600x16
min 41 max 107 avg 62

1024x768x16
min 33 max 101 avg56

$ 77 PNY GeForce2 MX400 AGP 64mb SDRam

1024x768x16
min 37 max 78 avg 59

1024x768x32
min 36 max 78 avg 54

________________________________________
A solid performance improvement going up to a Pentium 3.
At 1024x768x16, the GeForce2 and Voodoo are very close.
Of course, the GeForce2 can handle 32bit.

I have some questions.
Should I return the GeForce2 for a Voodoo5 AGP ?
Or will I appreciate 32bit on newer games ?
Since my motherboard is OLD, it may not be truely AGP 2.0 compliant.....
Does the performance of this card look low ?

thanks for your help

Rooster
27th Oct 2001, 03:16 AM
Looks good. About what I'd expect.

Keep the GF2 MX.

Try using OpenGL - it may help bring up your lows (mine bogs down bad, and I have a GeForce2 GTS).

Oh yeah, new stuff:

Windows XP Home
GeForce2 GTS 32MB @ 230/375 {21.88 reference drv)
1024x768x32 OpenGL
High Everything
MULTITEXTURE ON (<---- Huge difference)
Trilinear Filter ON
Coronas OFF (<-- helps you see better)
Volumetric Lighting OFF (<--- helps quite a bit)
Dynamic Ligthing ON (<--- dont bother playing without it)
DetailTextures ON/True

Low 58.8
High 149.5
Avg 91.7

VaShooter
3rd Nov 2001, 01:48 AM
LOL Been gone 8 mths and this topic is still live....

Although I hear Rooster is now a COUGH COUGH nivida MAN....

Rooster
3rd Nov 2001, 02:14 AM
I was beginning to think you dropped off the face of the earth VA!! :eek:

Yup.. just installed myself a brand new Geforce3. (T-Bird 1.4GHz DDR board & RAM)

1024x768x32

Windows XP w/22.50 drivers (card clocked at 200/460 - normal clock speed; I'll test later with 230/525)
Min 59
Max 179.6
Avg 95

I turned on 8x Anisotropic filtering and only lost 4fps on the average and it looked great.

iolair
3rd Nov 2001, 06:29 PM
Hi guys,

Just made some minor updates to my Benchmarks site...

(1) changed the names from PuF to BuF

(2) Fixed a link to the data entry form that I'd inadvertently broken

(3) At the suggestion of an e-mail I received, I deleted a 220 average FPS score ... (a) it seemed too good to be accurate, (b) searching on BuF I couldn't confirm that the person that entered the data is actually a forumer here.

Link to my BMs site ... http://cgi.iolair.force9.co.uk/cgi-bin/unreal.cgi

wars
5th Nov 2001, 07:04 AM
AMD Duron Thunderbird @977Mhz with 256sdram
the board is a A7V133 chipset kt133
Geforce 2mx 32mb
3610 frames rendered in 84.98 seconds, Min 22.42 Max 42.49 fps.
not bad I wish it did better.

Rooster
6th Nov 2001, 01:02 AM
wars, turn on multitexturing and turn off volumetric lighting.

You should be getting around 50FPS Average.

Oh.. and which is it? Duron OR Thunderbird - you can't have both (unless two different computers)

fragswill
6th Nov 2001, 12:56 PM
Abit KG7, Tbird 1466(133FSB*11), gf2pro(210, 410), 256 DDR cas2, win98 and detonator 2185.

1024*768*16, high everything.

low: 58
high: 161
avg: 91

Swedix
14th Nov 2001, 04:08 AM
I have upgraded my system with a new mobo, cpu and RAM. I did a benchmarking before and after.

Old specs:

mobo: ASUS CUSL2
cpu: Intel PIII 700@875
RAM: 192 Mb PC133 orginal
VC: Geforce 2 GTS 32Mb with detonator 14.21
Windows ME

UT: 1024*768 32bit, everything high, vsync off

min: 32,4
max: 114
avg: 63,3

-------------------------------------------------------
New specs:

mobo: EPoX 8KHA+
cpu : AMD Athlon XP 1600+ ( 1,4 GHz)
RAM: 512 Mb Crucial PC2100
VC: Geforce 2 GTS 32Mb with detonator 14.21
Windows ME

UT: 1024*768 32bit, everything high, vsync off

min: 44,9
max: 149,3
avg: 91,1

That shows how cpu dependent UT are.

mobace
22nd Nov 2001, 08:03 AM
Guts:

AMD XP1600+
MSI KT266PRO2
1GB PC2100 (1 512 stick Kingston, 2 256 stick Crucial)
- system FSB @ 133MHz (CPU internal 266)
350W power suppy

Expansion Boards:

Hercules 3d Prophet II Titanium (TI 200) w/64MB DDR
Creative Sound Blaster 5.1
Lynksys 10/100 Etherfast
Creative Dxr3 decoder board (for DVD)

Drives:

60GB WD Caviar
40GB WD Caviar
Creative 8/4/32 CDR/W
Creative 12/40 DVD
Creative Live! Drive
Teac 3 1/2

OS:

WinXP Home (OEM purchase w/mobo)
DirectX 8.1
Nvidia reference drivers as of 11/15/2001


UT:

using d3d: 1600x1200x16: 60fps without vsynch off
using d3d: 1280x1024x32: 85 fps without vsynch off <-- wot i use
using d3d 1600x1200x32: 54 fps (w/o vsynch off, but less than monitor max at resolution and color depth)

I just need to get vsynch off so i can see wot she'll really do in d3d.

using opengl metal skins: 1600x1200x32: 43 fps
using opengl metal skins: 1280x1024x32: 57 fps

Rooster
22nd Nov 2001, 11:43 AM
I want to know what monitor you have that can do 120Hz at 1600x1200 :eek:

mobace
22nd Nov 2001, 12:09 PM
syncmaster 955df + and that isn't 32bit, but i goofed its 60hz, i read the wrong number my bad (edited above)

BunnYPandA
24th Nov 2001, 04:03 AM
oki mine is

tbird @ 1ghz
3d prophet II mx
512 Mb crucial @ 143mhz @ cas 2

min 45.35
max 100.35
avg 75.25 fps

1024x728x32

vsync and eax on , i take it thats what u wanted to know about - how it is played typically and not stupid benchies with the sound off and such

i'll do sum benchies for the dual XP1600+ once i get teh monitor

BansheeX
26th Nov 2001, 07:44 PM
AMD duron 800
256 ddr ram
Geforce2 mx400 32 meg
abit KG7-lite

Everything on and at highest detail.
opengl 1024x768@32 bit -85hz
Avg: 66fps

StyMie{UG}
27th Nov 2001, 03:57 PM
System

Thunderbird 1.333
Asus A7M266 DDR Ram
512mb DDR Ram
IBM DeskStar 60.0gb GXP 7200rpm HD
SoundBlaster Audigy X-Gamer
Sony 19" FlatScreen Monitor @85mhz
Lian-Li PC-60USB Aluminum Case
400 Watt Power Supply
1024x768
32 bit Color
DSL


Min. 45.10
Max. 107.93
Avg. 69.39


Game settings as followed:



[OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice]
RefreshRate=85
DetailTextures=True
UseTrilinear=True
UseS3TC=True
UseTNT=False
UseMultiTexture=True
UsePalette=True
UseAlphaPalette=False
Translucency=1
VolumetricLighting=False
ShinySurfaces=False
Coronas=False
HighDetailActors=True
MaxAnisotropy=0
AlwaysMipmap=True
DoPrecache=True
SupportsLazyTextures=True
MaxLogVOverU=8
MaxLogUOverV=8
MaxTMUnits=0
ShareLists=False
MinDepthBits=16
UseGammaExtension=True
UseModulatedGamma=False
GammaOffset=0.000000
LODBias=0.000000
MaxLogTextureSize=0
MinLogTextureSize=0
DisableSpecialDT=False
UseFilterSGIS=False
Use4444Textures=False
UseVertexSpecular=False
UsePrecache=False
DescFlags=0
Description=

aka(scorpius)
7th Dec 2001, 11:14 AM
System:

Thunderbird 1.2
256 SDram
FIC AZ11e Mobo
40.0gb ATA100 7200rpm HD
Diamond Monster MX400 Sound Card
PNY GF3 TI 200 (no overclock - 32 tap aniso filtering)

1024x768
32 bit Color
High detail all around

Min. 46.09
Max. 124.20
Avg. 74.31

Game settings:

[D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice]
Translucency=True
VolumetricLighting=False
ShinySurfaces=True
Coronas=True
HighDetailActors=True
UseMipmapping=True
UseTrilinear=True
UseMultitexture=True
UsePageFlipping=True
UsePalettes=True
UseFullscreen=True
UseGammaCorrection=True
DetailTextures=True
Use3dfx=False
UseTripleBuffering=True
UsePrecache=True
Use32BitTextures=True
DescFlags=1
dwDeviceId=513
dwVendorId=4318
Use32BitZBuffer=True
UseVertexFog=False
UseAGPTextures=False
UseVideoMemoryVB=False
UseVSync=False
Description=NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200

Evc
25th Dec 2001, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by SuperTrap
LOL! I'm new here and I have been reading through these posts and I noticed the date of the first post in this thread as June 3, 2000 and of course today is Jan 7, 2001 all I can say is.. That's damn impressive!!Now its Dec 25th 2001....

Dumb question, how do ya benchmark UT? All I ever do is play it :)

Swedix
25th Dec 2001, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by SeRIaLKiLLeR
Now its Dec 25th 2001....

Dumb question, how do ya benchmark UT? All I ever do is play it :)
Not a dumb question.
Somewhere is this thread you can read how to benchmark with Cityintro.
First, go into preferences in UT, (open your console and type preferences) , go to Rendering, under the type of rendering you use, find VSync and turn it off. For 3D rendering, you set this value to true. You do this so your monitor don't limit your fps.
(When you done benchmarking, set it back.)
When this is done, close the preferences and set UT to fullscreen.
In your console, type timedemo 1 , (this will show your fps in the right middle of your screen).
In your console type open cityintro , this will start the UT fly by scene. Hit Esc until you can see it.
When the cityintro is over, hit esc to leave it. Open you console again and you will see your max, min and average fps.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you.

megatron
25th Dec 2001, 07:46 AM
I will post my results soon. :D I haven't seen anyone else with specs like mine. I haven't overclocked yet at all. In game no action 100fps @ 1024*768 - 120fps@800*600 with 32 bit colour texture, high world detail and skin (high detail has absolutely no effect in framerate :D). Guess what its is Christmas Day! Thanksgiving, then?
Have you played Neo Cario mod? With Ed-209 from robocop? Cool mod.

aka(scorpius)
25th Dec 2001, 08:54 AM
megatron;

i'm interested in your results, as my new system is close to yours -
slightly slower processor, half the ram & a GF3 rather than the 8500


athlon XP 1600
256 mB pc2100 ram
GF3 TI200 (clocked at 200/480)

min: 59.60
max: 160.60

avg: 96.57

quite a nice increase from my previous system (1.2g Athlon - see my previous post for results/specs)

(nice rig, btw)

Evc
25th Dec 2001, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Swedix

Not a dumb question.
Somewhere is this thread you can read how to benchmark with Cityintro.
First, go into preferences in UT, (open your console and type preferences) , go to Rendering, under the type of rendering you use, find VSync and turn it off. For 3D rendering, you set this value to true. You do this so your monitor don't limit your fps.
(When you done benchmarking, set it back.)
When this is done, close the preferences and set UT to fullscreen.
In your console, type timedemo 1 , (this will show your fps in the right middle of your screen).
In your console type open cityintro , this will start the UT fly by scene. Hit Esc until you can see it.
When the cityintro is over, hit esc to leave it. Open you console again and you will see your max, min and average fps.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you. I understand it dude, I just didint know the command to b-mark the map, I knew timedemo 1 but not the rest :)

Thanx:)

megatron
25th Dec 2001, 07:49 PM
Thanks for the "thumbs up" at my rig aka(Scorpius).

I did alot of testing of the Cityintro with various settings, mainly with the sound and music. The number of frames rendered and time taken kept coming back to in excess of 8500 frames in around 84.7 seconds. The 48000hz against 8000hz and no digital music against digital music and 16 channels against 32 channels made no difference (I have an audigy (OEM 45 - better than 70 audigy player)). I kept 32bit texture and high world detail - I tested that in game and it made no diference.

What I will run at:
min: 59.94
max: 120.19
avg: 100.47

Actually I overclocked too. With my Abit KA7A, coolermaster h002, XP1700 and winbond 512MB 2.5 CAS single DIMM I got my FSB up to 142Mhz stable running on cas 2 (I assume 2-3-3) and XP1700 on ultra speed setting. I think it is the processor that is the limiting factor. I should have got the Alpha 8045 - they were out of stock. A 9Mhz FSB overclock. Actually, my XP is locked, but I can use a multiplier less than 11x to prove my theory that it is the processor that is the limiting factor.
My XP1700 posts @ 143Mhz equivalent to 1573Mhz or 1.573Ghz; but becomes unstable rapidly. XP1700 @ 142FSB (142*11)=1562Mhz.

Its Christmas and I got a new game from my Sister. AVP2 - it rocks. The choice for me was from AVP2 or RTCW. Also as gamespy says its the action game of the year I'm getting Operation Flashpoint too. http://www.gamespy.com/goty2001/pc/pc_action_winner.shtml AVP2 is 1.3Gb of hard disk space and comes on two CDs! Did you read this far?

megatron
26th Dec 2001, 07:04 AM
Oh I forgot, I have smoothvision to tweak, and would you like to see the Ti500 get its ass whooped in 3dmark2001? If so go here:
http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/vidcards/ati/8500_revisited/index2.html

megatron
26th Dec 2001, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by aka(scorpius)
megatron;

i'm interested in your results, as my new system is close to yours -
slightly slower processor, half the ram & a GF3 rather than the 8500


athlon XP 1600
256 mB pc2100 ram
GF3 TI200 (clocked at 200/480)

min: 59.60
max: 160.60

avg: 96.57

quite a nice increase from my previous system (1.2g Athlon - see my previous post for results/specs)

(nice rig, btw)

If you read the artical above on page seven or so you'll see proof that the geforce 3 ti 500 kicks the Radeon's butt in UT. Hopefully for me this issue will be addressed in a future driver version. On the whole though the Radeon is tops. To be fair, any new card is gonna be the bollocks!

I just want to be clear to anyone who's interested about both the GF3 and Rad 8500 both support directx texture compression (DXTC) and therefore anyone with such a card can install the second cd's additional textures to help performance. I wanted to know this myself and now I know. :D

aka(scorpius)
26th Dec 2001, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by megatron
What I will run at:
min: 59.94
max: 120.19
avg: 100.47


Not all that much of a difference; sort of what I thought, as UT is notoriously cpu limited.

I was really debating getting the 8500, but finally decided on the TI200 because of the $100 price difference (retail).

Actually I overclocked too. With my Abit KA7A, coolermaster h002, XP1700 and winbond 512MB 2.5 CAS single DIMM I got my FSB up to 142Mhz stable running on cas 2 (I assume 2-3-3) and XP1700 on ultra speed setting


Haven't tried overclocking the processor yet, as I was having a real hard time getting my system stable. Seems theres a bug w. the GF3 and Via chipsets. When I set the AGP aperture to 64 mb I got severe performance degradation in D3D (17 fps average @1024-32 bit), and when I set the aperture to 128 (or any value other than 64) UT kept crashing after about 2 minutes, and I was having severe bootup probs. New 4in1s & a detonator upgrade enabled me to set the apeture to 128 w/o problems, and it's now running smooth as silk.

Its Christmas and I got a new game from my Sister. AVP2 - it rocks. The choice for me was from AVP2 or RTCW


AvP is a great game; you'll have lots of fun with it.
:D
I just got Wolfenstein, and so far it looks great (just going by the first two levels).

megatron
26th Dec 2001, 02:06 PM
XP1700 @ 1573Mhz
FSB = 143Mhz
143Mhz * multiplier(11) = 1573Mhz
Slightly unstable. Like crashing after running the cityintro.

So I will try this:

1573Mhz/multiplier(10.5) = 149.8Mhz

If this is stable (going slowly up from 142Mhz) then its the processor (which could do with cooling/voltage adjustment). If the processor is underclocked and then the FSB is increased from 142Mhz(stable) up; then its either the memory, sound or graphics card.

An article at 3dspotlight shows how to unlock the XP but I won't be trying this because installing the heatsink is hairy enough for me!

megatron
28th Dec 2001, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by megatron
Thanks for the "thumbs up" at my rig aka(Scorpius).

What I will run at:
min: 59.94
max: 120.19
avg: 100.47

http://www.warp2search.net/index.php
Latest frivers for radeon 8500 are beta 9005 as opposed to 7206 for win9x.

First run with drivers:
min: 65.43
max: 189.6!
avg: 107.13

Second run with drivers:
min: 65.25
max: 171.01
avg: 107.81

The max has gone from 120.47 to 189.6 a 70 fps jump. Excellent.

The drivers are dated 10/12/01 for 9005 and 13/4/01 for 7206. Go get them if you have a radeon of any description because apparently them work on earlier versions too (remember to backup;)).

BTW I am running at 800*600.

P.S.
I ran the BM in 1024*768 and I think I stick to this.

8726 frames in 84.87
min 61.97
max 170.17
avg 102.81
Just had a bot match and beat the crap out of them - much better than my ol' p133! 8fps o_O

Fomhoire
30th Dec 2001, 04:04 AM
I gained a very small improvement with the x3dfx drivers on my Voodoo 5 5500 AGP. I wish I could find someone with another Voodoo 5 and a 1Ghz processor so I can find out if I am where I should be on this. I've had people tell me I should be averaging 75 fps with this video card.


Athlon 1100
Voodoo 5 5500 (AGP)
512Mb RAM running at 100Mhz
KT7A-RAID
Windows 98SE
Glide 1024 x 768 16 bit colour.
Low 43.49 High 107.28 Ave. 64.22
Driver v1.08.04 (x3dfx-c) from www.x3dfx.com

aka(scorpius)
30th Dec 2001, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Fomhoire
I gained a very small improvement with the x3dfx drivers on my Voodoo 5 5500 AGP. I wish I could find someone with another Voodoo 5 and a 1Ghz processor so I can find out if I am where I should be on this. I've had people tell me I should be averaging 75 fps with this video card.


Athlon 1100
Voodoo 5 5500 (AGP)
512Mb RAM running at 100Mhz
KT7A-RAID
Windows 98SE
Glide 1024 x 768 16 bit colour.
Low 43.49 High 107.28 Ave. 64.22
Driver v1.08.04 (x3dfx-c) from www.x3dfx.com

Sounds a bit on the low side. My second rig is an Athlon 1.2 Ghz w. a v5 5500, 256 mb 133 Mhz RAM, plain old Windows 98, same V5 driver, same resolution:

Low: 50.49
High: 133.64
Average: 80.92

Maybe the faster RAM and faster processor do make a 16 fps (average) difference though - your guess is as good as mine on that.

Rooster
30th Dec 2001, 11:15 PM
As well, there are a myriad of other possible differences (unrealtournament.ini file).

Fomhoire
1st Jan 2002, 05:09 AM
the RAM is 133, but this motherboard is wacky. Sometimes it won't boot when I have it clocked at 133, so I run it at 100.

I think it is on the low side myself, but I can't seem to get it to improve much.

Originally posted by aka(scorpius)


Sounds a bit on the low side. My second rig is an Athlon 1.2 Ghz w. a v5 5500, 256 mb 133 Mhz RAM, plain old Windows 98, same V5 driver, same resolution:

Low: 50.49
High: 133.64
Average: 80.92

Maybe the faster RAM and faster processor do make a 16 fps (average) difference though - your guess is as good as mine on that.

aka(scorpius)
1st Jan 2002, 11:30 AM
What are your LOD bias settings in 3dfx tools? Lower settings do impact performance to a degree. Then, as Rooster mentioned, there are your ut.ini settings to consider.

You might want to check out both the Voodoo 5 tweak guide as well as the UT tweak guide at www.tweak3d.net.

megatron
1st Jan 2002, 12:06 PM
Dude go here:
http://www.voodooextreme.com/3dpulpit/Games.html
Hope it helps. :D

Did I mention the 9005 drivers for the ati radeon? Roxix

keot
1st Jan 2002, 03:35 PM
Processor: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor @ 450MHz
312MB installed memory
Video Adapter: SiS 530 (on board)
Audio: ESS Solo-1 PCI AudioDrive
Windows: Microsoft Windows 98 Ver 4.10.2222 A (a.k.a. win98se)

UT Settings
Software Mode, 1024x768 @ 16-bit (32-bit crashes system)
Everything put up as high as it will go in video prefrences and advanced prefrences, apart from sound. sound set to low quality and no music, only stereo, no dolby stuff...

Min: 12.57
Max: 24.41
Avg: 15.37

however, it seemed a lot slower than that, or am i used to my normal 320x240 low high fps mode?

Fomhoire
1st Jan 2002, 08:49 PM
What LOD bias settings? I can't find anything remotely like that in the tools.

Originally posted by aka(scorpius)
What are your LOD bias settings in 3dfx tools? Lower settings do impact performance to a degree. Then, as Rooster mentioned, there are your ut.ini settings to consider.

You might want to check out both the Voodoo 5 tweak guide as well as the UT tweak guide at www.tweak3d.net.

Fomhoire
1st Jan 2002, 09:01 PM
I found it.

It only improved the average by 1.5 fps with a setting of 2.

aka(scorpius)
1st Jan 2002, 11:44 PM
LODsetting of 2 is VERY blurry; I'm surprised your eyes arent falling out:rolleyes:

What are your sound settings? Are you using 3D sound?
Also, which DirectX version do you have installed?

LordKhaine
2nd Jan 2002, 12:56 AM
1024*768*32
High detail with dynamic lighting, fog, coronas etc on...

On a P3 500, with 256ram, 32mb GF2 GTS, fairly recent drivers set to maximum speed.

http://www.btinternet.com/~lordkhaine/pics/UT/fun.jpg


fun....

Fomhoire
2nd Jan 2002, 01:48 AM
It looked a bit blurry. I went to 1 and it looks fine.
DX 8.1.

Not using 3D sound.

It just seem like anything I change makes very little difference.

Originally posted by aka(scorpius)
LODsetting of 2 is VERY blurry; I'm surprised your eyes arent falling out:rolleyes:

What are your sound settings? Are you using 3D sound?
Also, which DirectX version do you have installed?

aka(scorpius)
2nd Jan 2002, 08:26 AM
Actually, I'm surprised I didn't think of this before, but is your video card sharing an IRQ with anything else? It should really have its own IRQ.

Rukee
2nd Jan 2002, 08:48 AM
Min. 85.2
Max. 153.43
avr. 95.10

Soyo Dragon Plus MB
510MB DDR2400
xp1800
7200rpm HD
Direct x 8.1
Antex 350w. ps
Elsa Gladiac Ultra 64mb
Onboard sound
Onboard LAN
running at 1920x1440 every option on.

and my video card shares IRQ with the onboard LAN card. I f I knew how to fix that....might get a few more FPS out of it.

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 10:20 AM
Here is my config and some sshots (if it let you post MB).

Rooster
2nd Jan 2002, 10:38 AM
You'll need to post some benchmarks... this isn't a show & tell thread.

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 10:51 AM
Things like vertex fog is really obvious. I think that anything over 100fps is lost is the monitor refresh rate so that you aim to set more eye candy when you go above this. Some setting make the picture "warmer" and less flat. When all the options under the [direct3d] tab in the unrealtournament.ini file are turned on apart from use video memory only and 32-bit textures (uses DXTC otherwise) the min frame rate playing with 9 bots and shooting all over the place inexcessive CTF was 45fps. Having said that with minimal settings and looking at a wall it got 207fps in one instance!

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 10:59 AM
Okaydoky Rooster - I'll do some benchies with first all extras off and then all extras on. Cityintro benchmark would miss some of the subleties though I fear. I have the thunder demo and I may do some benchies of this too. This is partly for my own benifit. I never knew UT was so pretty!

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 11:44 AM
Here are the results!
CHeck my profile for system specs.

Radeon drv 9005 (later than 7206, ofcourse (win9x))
As per my config files:
"min settings" 9428 frames in 84.79 sec.
min 62.01
max 194.03
avg 11.19

"max settings" 6210 in 84.78
min 20.22 (poor)
max 163.32
avg 73.24

"min settings" + triple buffer + multitexture 10029 in 84.73
min 71.98
max 188.13
avg 118.35

As above + vertex fog (the effect seen in max was not seen here)
9981 in 84.64
min 77.06
max 216.83
avg 117.91
(next max 223.24)

I will run at the third setting of the four since I could see no difference between them and the third gave me over 10000 frames rendered in 85 seconds.

I will bench the thunder demo available from voodoo extreme -> the reverend's pulpit.

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 12:53 PM
Following on from the last post I tested trilinear filtering in UT (also removed vertex fog as I said in last post).
9273 in 84.69 min 37.69 max 207.89 avg 109.48
(extra settings not given before : min desired frame rate is 8fps i.e. not affecting any result, 8kHz sound, no digital music, use hardware 3d sound, no filter reverb ( available in preferences ))

Now I add in 48kHz sound
9990 frames in 84.65 min 72.03 max 216.90 avg 118

Now I ttry the thunder demo which is funny at the speed it runs at, its like fast forward :D.

"Min settings" + tripple buffer + multitexture ( and the 48kHz sound from last test) 9262 in 63.67 min 106.28 max 273.61! avg 145.45

Wow 273.61fps becha never thought you'd see that! Ofcourse completely useless unless you can tell the difference between 270 and 100 fps and also your monitor has to run at 270 too.

Just to go for it a bit though I may know see if smoothvision can hammer my framerate in the cityintro benchmark. Try at 6x first.

Attached is the demo and you must have later than UT v427.

megatron
2nd Jan 2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Rukee
Min. 85.2
Max. 153.43
avr. 95.10

Soyo Dragon Plus MB
510MB DDR2400
xp1800
7200rpm HD
Direct x 8.1
Antex 350w. ps
Elsa Gladiac Ultra 64mb
Onboard sound
Onboard LAN
running at 1920x1440 every option on.

and my video card shares IRQ with the onboard LAN card. I f I knew how to fix that....might get a few more FPS out of it.
Nice res - with what monitor? Look here for info on irq problems even though its not your motherboard the technical information still applies.

http://www.viahardware.com/faq/kg7kr7/installation.htm#How%20do%20I%20avoid%20IRQ%20conflicts?

Read here. I can't tell you straight what to do because I didn't need to read it. Would lowering your sound card's irq number stop occasional crackling (from only the older pair of speakers I have)?

I see that it is not as simple as moving PCI slot. This may help there is such a thing as IRQ steering which is supposed to allow modern pci cards to share irqs. For example on the KR7A the Highpoint controller shares an interupt with the fifth pci slot period.

Fomhoire
2nd Jan 2002, 04:31 PM
Everything has its own IRQ.

Originally posted by aka(scorpius)
Actually, I'm surprised I didn't think of this before, but is your video card sharing an IRQ with anything else? It should really have its own IRQ.

Rooster
2nd Jan 2002, 05:10 PM
FYI, I have seen it hit 316FPS at 1024x768x32 w/high everything.. on Orbital...

megatron
4th Jan 2002, 11:58 AM
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33596872

Who has the 9008 drivers? Please let me have them - my email is in my profile.

Rukee
7th Jan 2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by megatron
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33596872

Who has the 9008 drivers? Please let me have them - my email is in my profile.

Just ask the Rukee!! :p

Try looking here (http://www.rage3d.com/files/drivers/radeonbeta.shtml)

Rukee
7th Jan 2002, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by megatron

Nice res - with what monitor? Look here for info on irq problems even though its not your motherboard the technical information still applies.

http://www.viahardware.com/faq/kg7kr7/installation.htm#How%20do%20I%20avoid%20IRQ%20conflicts?

Read here. I can't tell you straight what to do because I didn't need to read it. Would lowering your sound card's irq number stop occasional crackling (from only the older pair of speakers I have)?

I see that it is not as simple as moving PCI slot. This may help there is such a thing as IRQ steering which is supposed to allow modern pci cards to share irqs. For example on the KR7A the Highpoint controller shares an interupt with the fifth pci slot period.

I have a Phillips 109B moniter.
and I don`t play at that resulution I just ran the test there....however I have tryed it in game....but would rather not run the moniter at max resolution for gaming as I`m sure it will shortin the life of the moniter.
Acording to that link you posted...sharring IRQ`s is "OK". besides the two that are sharring with me are the video card and the on board LAN card....kinda hard to move one or the other to a diffrent slot!! :p

7thPixel
14th Jan 2002, 04:54 PM
Quick question. Im running:

p3-500
384 RAM
tnt2 m64 32meg NVIDIA

I am currently debating on whether to try to upgrade this with a new vid card, or just start from scratch with a new system. Meaning, I don't want to bother upgrading processor or motherboard, just add a better card in.

Would this make a any difference? I mean I've heard that UT is dependant on cpu (from what I've read in this thread).. so would throwing in, say a geforece ti200 do much or am I just wasting my time?

I guess I could always take it back if it sucks, but I thought I'd poll the intelligent ppl of this thread first :)

thnx!

Rooster
14th Jan 2002, 05:40 PM
You probably wouldn't see a difference in UT. Maybe 3-5fps.

Go with a new system.

7thPixel
14th Jan 2002, 06:58 PM
Hmm, lets see.. 3-5fps for a card thats running $186 + shipping on buy.com.. that comes to about $48 per additional frame.

ugh.

Dell refurbished site here I come!

Rukee
15th Jan 2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by 7thPixel
Hmm, lets see.. 3-5fps for a card thats running $186 + shipping on buy.com.. that comes to about $48 per additional frame.

ugh.

Dell refurbished site here I come!

Don`t buy a DELL....you can build your own for less then half price and get twice the machine!!

7thPixel
15th Jan 2002, 05:37 PM
True, but u are assuming that I could build a PC, which I probably cannot. I'd much rather just grab a p4 1.6-1.8ghz Dimension 4300 off of the refurb site, pay about $600.. then upgrade it with better sound, vid card, etc.

If you have a site with idiot-proof details on how to build a gaming pc, then by all means post it :)

Rukee
15th Jan 2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by 7thPixel
True, but u are assuming that I could build a PC, which I probably cannot. I'd much rather just grab a p4 1.6-1.8ghz Dimension 4300 off of the refurb site, pay about $600.. then upgrade it with better sound, vid card, etc.

If you have a site with idiot-proof details on how to build a gaming pc, then by all means post it :)

If you can upgrade with diffrent cards....you can build your own!!
Have you ever reformated??
if so then building a new system is just like upgrading everything and stating out loading windows for the first time. About the only tricky part is the little wires for the LED lights and power switchs but if you study the motherboard handbook should be fine.

Rooster
16th Jan 2002, 01:19 AM
And making sure you don't have more case screws than motherboard holes.. and making sure the heatsink gets put on the CPU JUST right (for AMD chips) -- making sure the power supply is rated properly -- picking the right memory (not so hard anymore), trouble shooting issues that may come up -- etc.

Not trying to scare you, but those of us that have been building for a while sometimes tend to forget that we take for granted a lot that we just know.

All in all, it's not really that hard - just have a PC you can surf with at the same time and you'll have it made.

megatron
22nd Jan 2002, 02:17 PM
I agree with Rooster. First thing to do is go to:
http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/index.htm
You can read about all you have to do before you even buy any components. You can fit together an ass kicking machine just the way your want it with your priorities in mind (big **** off graphics card). I admit it wasn't plain sailing for me but if you set aside the time to do it then I see no reason why your shouldn't try. After all if you really get stuck you can always bring it to a computer shop and pay them the money that you saved to build it. If you get an Abit (aparently best kt266a availble like me) then go here:
http://www.viahardware.com/faq/kg7kr7/kg7kr7faq.htm
The main problem I had was that I needed to patch this latency driver on top on the via 4in1 drivers (documented at the site above) with a PCI latency patch. Via 4in1 drivers v437 should be fine though.

I had been fantasising about a new PC for about 4 years before I got mine!

Fomhoire
30th Jan 2002, 11:16 AM
I replace the KT7A-RAID with an Epox 8KHA+.
I haven't done any tweaking yet.

Min 53.91, Max 128.13, Ave 79.57


Epox 8KHA+
1.1Ghz Athlon
256 MB Corsair XMS 2400 DDR
Voodoo 5 5500
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card.

Ominous1
2nd Feb 2002, 11:55 AM
Min/Max/Avg
9.63/75.66/34.18 - D3D
44.84/156.98/79.45 - OGL

Athlon 1800
512M PC2100
Abit K7G
MSI GeForce3 Ti200

I used to get much better numbers until I upgraded to DX8.1. Anyone else seen this?


[D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice]
Translucency=True
VolumetricLighting=False
ShinySurfaces=False
Coronas=False
HighDetailActors=False
UseMipmapping=True
UseTrilinear=True
UseMultitexture=True
UsePageFlipping=True
UsePalettes=True
UseFullscreen=True
UseGammaCorrection=True
DetailTextures=False
Use3dfx=False
UseTripleBuffering=True
UsePrecache=False
Use32BitTextures=False
DescFlags=1
dwDeviceId=512
dwVendorId=4318
Use32BitZBuffer=False
UseVertexFog=False
UseAGPTextures=False
UseVideoMemoryVB=False
UseVSync=False
Description=NVIDIA GeForce3

[OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice]
RefreshRate=75
DetailTextures=1
UseTrilinear=1
UseS3TC=1
UseTNT=0
LODBias=0
UseMultiTexture=1
UsePalette=1
UseAlphaPalette=0
Translucency=1
VolumetricLighting=1
ShinySurfaces=1
Coronas=1
HighDetailActors=1
MaxAnisotropy=0
AlwaysMipmap=0
UsePrecache=0
SupportsLazyTextures=0

megatron
2nd Feb 2002, 02:22 PM
One look at your Direct 3d section of your unrealtornament.ini file and I see that you are using trilinear filtering. This kills the minimum framerate on my card. This alone could be responsible for the frame rate drop. Triple buffer on the other hand improves performance on my card. My card is in my specs below. I don't know how to run UT in openGl. Unless you do then just ignor it. Here is my equivalent section:

[D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice]
Translucency=True
VolumetricLighting=True
ShinySurfaces=True
Coronas=True
HighDetailActors=False
UseMipmapping=True
UseTrilinear=False
UseMultitexture=True
UsePageFlipping=True
UsePalettes=True
UseFullscreen=True
UseGammaCorrection=True
DetailTextures=False
Use3dfx=False
UseTripleBuffering=True
UsePrecache=True
Use32BitTextures=False
DescFlags=1
dwDeviceId=20812
dwVendorId=4098
UseVSync=False
Description=R200
Use32BitZBuffer=False
UseVertexFog=False
UseAGPTextures=False
UseVideoMemoryVB=False

Also I think you may want to try out enabling precache to see if it give any more performance. BTW there are guides on this - do a search if you are still not happy. I don't think its dx8.1 thats the problem.

Zaphrod
3rd Feb 2002, 08:18 AM
My new system:

XP1800
Asus A7V266
Geforce3 Ti200
256MB DDR
40GB Maxtor ATA 133
CMedia 6x sound

My City Intro Benchmark:
1024x678x32 all World and Skin Details high

Min 58.44
Max 149.41
Avg 94.19

Not too bad I dont think. I havent tried any tweaking of the ini file or my system yet. I imagine with a little work I could get it to 70fps Min at these settings.

Ominous1
5th Feb 2002, 03:17 PM
Zaphrod, what version of DirectX are you using? And what flavor of windows?

Thanks

Rukee
6th Feb 2002, 10:10 AM
Tweaked system....
winXP pro
Soyo Dragon Plus MB
510MB DDR2400
xp1800
7200rpm HD
Direct x 8.0
Antex 350w. ps
Cheezey GF3 Ti200 card off e-bay clocked @ Ti500 specs
Onboard sound
Onboard LAN
running at 1920x1440 every option on.

min 67.66
max 168.93
avr 105.45

Rukee
6th Feb 2002, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Rooster
FYI, I have seen it hit 316FPS at 1024x768x32 w/high everything.. on Orbital...
just 316fps??
check out this shot!!
I have no idea how I did this...and it won`t do it again but....

http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/fps.jpg

Prez!!
6th Feb 2002, 02:54 PM
Interesting thread, I thought I'd give it a whirl. Here is what I have.

Athlon 1800
512 DDR
Asus G3 ti200
ASUS AV7266-E mofo
Win 2K Pro

ermm, I guess thats enough puter info.


All detail maxed out @ 1024 x 768
I got 72.10 fps average.
Low 55, high 75
Lows were in the first 3 seconds, after that it was a stable 75 fps.

Puter in brand spankin new, just stablized, with 0 tweaks @ this point.

Rukee
6th Feb 2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Prez!!
Interesting thread, I thought I'd give it a whirl. Here is what I have.

Athlon 1800
512 DDR
Asus G3 ti200
ASUS AV7266-E mofo
Win 2K Pro

ermm, I guess thats enough puter info.


All detail maxed out @ 1024 x 768
I got 72.10 fps average.
Low 55, high 75
Lows were in the first 3 seconds, after that it was a stable 75 fps.

Puter in brand spankin new, just stablized, with 0 tweaks @ this point.
I bet your refresh rate is @ 75mhz...try to set it to optimal or auto sellect and see if the fps jumps.

Prez!!
6th Feb 2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Rukee

I bet your refresh rate is @ 75mhz...try to set it to optimal or auto sellect and see if the fps jumps. Will do, THX!~:up:

I'll let you know if it worked.

7thPixel
8th Feb 2002, 05:40 PM
My new system:

Dell 4300
XP Home Edition
P4 1.6ghz
512 sdram pc133
visiontek 6564 geforce 3 ti200
20gig 7200rpm HD
NEC MultiSync FE700+BK Monitor
SBlive Value Sound Card (trashing this thing VERY soon)

D3D running 12.01.2001 detonator drivers ver.23.11

I benchmarked cityintro and Im getting an avg of 64fps at 800x600 high everything.

Something tells me it should be faster than that though...

Rooster
8th Feb 2002, 07:17 PM
I bet you're sitting at 65Hz refresh rate.

Specially if you have Windows XP and a GeForce.

Get the nVidia Refresh Fix.

megatron
9th Feb 2002, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by 7thPixel
My new system:

Dell 4300
Something tells me you didn't take our advice and build your own. If you had I'm sure you'd have a Geforce4 instead of a Geforce 3Ti200

7thPixel
9th Feb 2002, 11:37 AM
I bought a refurb 4300 with stock parts.. 16mb vid card, 48x cdrom, 128RAM etc.. then put in the cdrw, dvdrom, dc10+ capture card, asante ethernet card, a stick of 512RAM and a geforce3 ti200.

Could be worse, atleast I didn't buy a geforce ti500 for $350, when its selling for $180 now.

Rooster
9th Feb 2002, 01:01 PM
I don't know what you're smokin, but there ain't no GeForce3 Ti500 for $180.

Try $280+

GeForce3 is still around $220.

Oh, and Megatron, some people don't want to build their own. No need to get all uppity about it.

7thPixel
9th Feb 2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Rooster
I don't know what you're smokin, but there ain't no GeForce3 Ti500 for $180.

Try $280+

GeForce3 is still around $220.

Oh, and Megatron, some people don't want to build their own. No need to get all uppity about it.

my bad.. pricewatch.com had it mistyped.

yeah.. i aspire to be as cool as megatron.. so i can have my entire freaking computer spec in my signature..

haha :rolleyes:

Zaphrod
10th Feb 2002, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by Ominous1
Zaphrod, what version of DirectX are you using? And what flavor of windows?

Thanks

I am using DX8.1 and Win2K sp2.

Rukee
11th Feb 2002, 09:38 AM
I just did a reformat with a fresh install of XP.
I installed just the two CD`s, all 4 bounes packs....and the 436 patch.
I got:
129.65 min
311.43 max
201.93 avg.

Soyo Dragon Plus MB
512mb PC2400
GF3 Ti200
win XP pro
onboard sound
on-board LAN

Deathmaker
11th Feb 2002, 10:38 AM
42 seconds seems very short for the City intro Rukee. :con:

Rukee
11th Feb 2002, 10:59 AM
system # 2
Gigabyte ga-7zx
256mbpc133
Elsa Gladiac GF2 ultra
Thinderbird 900@945mhz
win XP pro
Opengl

41.53 min
123.57 max
66.85 avg


system #3
Tyan s2390 MB
256mbpc100
Rage maxx Furry card
Duron 800 @ 845mhz
win98se
D3D(won`t go in opengl)

28.18 min.
78.95 max.
57.29 avg.

megatron
11th Feb 2002, 02:30 PM
Go Rooster you da ....!

Rooster
11th Feb 2002, 07:33 PM
I'm raising the bullsht flag on Rukee's first system listed.

Rukee, let's see more info on that system & your supposed benchmark.

Rukee
11th Feb 2002, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Deathmaker
42 seconds seems very short for the City intro Rukee. :con:
Ya.....
why is that??
now I do it and it takes about 84 secs and the frame rate is in half.:confused:

megatron
13th Feb 2002, 06:46 PM
Yes - this rate high in my bull**** meter too! Are you saying that your ti200 can beat my ati 8500 in any benchmark? I have 512Mb DDR. Do you have a peltier cooler and P4 @ 3gHz or something?

Rukee
13th Feb 2002, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by megatron
Are you saying that your ti200 can beat my ati 8500 in any benchmark? I have 512Mb DDR. Do you have a peltier cooler and P4 @ 3gHz or something?

I don`t know...can it??
and a cooler doesn`t make your system any faster....
I have a Soyo Dragon Plus MB
xp1800@143fsb posts as a xp2000
XP pro
512 DDR PC2400
GF3 Ti200 w\core clock @ 220MHz and the memory @ 500MHz
on-board sound
On-board LAN
40gig HD @ 7200
CD-RW
DVD\CD ROM


7 fans total
two on the power supply
two in the case
one on the video card
one on the processor
one on the MB

last test done:

800x600:
68.14 min
166.76 max.
104.33 avg.

1024x768:
66.82 min
167.82 max
102.89 avg

1920x1440:
39.53 min
147.97 max
84.26 avg


http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/p2070022_(large).jpg

Rooster
13th Feb 2002, 09:08 PM
and a cooler doesn`t make your system any faster....True, but you try and push a 2.2GHz P4 to 3GHz without one and it won't last long.

And those numbers, while slightly higher than what I would predict are much more reasonable than the first numbers you posted.

Only 7 fans?

Try 8
1 top of case (exhaust)
1 side of case (intake)
1 rear of case (exhaust)
1 front of case (intake)
1 on CPU (copper heatsink)
1 on chipset
1 on GPU (GeForce3)
1 in power supply

I hit about 43C under heavy load. 40C @ nominal conditions.

Oh yeah, it's a 1.2GHz overclocked to 1.4GHz.

megatron
14th Feb 2002, 05:32 PM
Its not sheque to have so many fans but :
Two 7000 RPm 50cfm delta's on Kanie wing type 'w'
Two 6800 Rpm 45cfm delta's one backing up a standard across the bottom of case. One placed glancing off the maxtor hard drive
One (puny, quiet, 27 cfm) delta drawing air up away from all the drive, floppy, DVD and CD--RW power connectors in the drive bay.
My case has six 'standard' fans - all 80 mm ys tech - four in blowholes.
That makes 11 fans.
Plus two power supply fans, plus ati rad fan, plus northbridge fan.

How does 15 fans grab you?

Rooster
15th Feb 2002, 06:25 PM
I bet it sounds like C-130 on takeoff! (Mine are a tad quieter.. the side & top are brush fans, not ball bearing -- so they die in 4 years instead of 6... whoopee)

My wife & kids would kill me if it was that loud... I've had a CPU fan over 5000RPM.. holy cripes.. the vibration & noise was horrible. I changed down to a lower CFM fan and all is good.

Ominous1
19th Feb 2002, 08:38 AM
My old specs where for a machine that went south. My new machine is:

P4 1.9
512M DDR PC2100
Tyan MB
SB Live 5.1
GeForce Ti200
DX8.1

D3D in UT with no tweaks

8 min
24 Avg
29 Max

WTF?!?!?!

My 3dMark2001 is 5020.

Something is seriously wrong here. Anyone know of some things to look into or tweek sites?

Thanks in advance.

Rukee
19th Feb 2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Ominous1
My old specs where for a machine that went south. My new machine is:

P4 1.9
512M DDR PC2100
Tyan MB
SB Live 5.1
GeForce Ti200
DX8.1

D3D in UT with no tweaks

8 min
24 Avg
29 Max

WTF?!?!?!

My 3dMark2001 is 5020.

Something is seriously wrong here. Anyone know of some things to look into or tweek sites?

Thanks in advance.
My Ti200 card does crap in D3D mode....
try openGL I bet it does much better!!!
You should be getting about 90-100fps!
I would think your 3Dmark2001 score would be a little higher too.
I get about 8250.

Fomhoire
20th Feb 2002, 03:34 AM
Speaking of fans.....

Anyone know of a good heatsink/fan combination that isn't loud?

Socket A.

I bought several and plugged them into the power supply and they were all too noisy.

Most of the noise is coming from my 400W Sparkle power supply.
I'm going to put a quiter/lower rpm fan in there but I need to get a better case because I can't keep this one cool. It is not difficult to get the internal ambient T to 40C and the processor above 50C with the case I have at this time.

Deathmaker
20th Feb 2002, 06:24 AM
The Swiftech MCXC370 is a bloody good HS (though quite expensive) and can be fairly quiet if paired with something like a Papst or YS-TECH 80mm fan. Another good choice would be the Alpha PAL 8045, again this uses a low rpm 80mm fan so you get a decent performance/noise ratio.

If CPU temps are a problem with your current HS/F you could try a side intake. I have an 80mm YS-TECH 45cfm side intake fan ducted onto a FOP32-1 cooling a 1Gig T-Bird @ 1.4Gig with full load temps ~50-54C. Even with the 80mm fan turned off, I get lower CPU temps than I normally would due to the duct. :)

Ominous1
20th Feb 2002, 08:40 AM
My other computer is:
1.2 AMD
Geforce2 Ultra
256M

It's performance after a clean UT install is 69fps! That is amazing that the P4 1.9 only gets 25fps. Another interesting fact. If I run UT using the software renderer, it is almost identical to D3D?!?

This is crazy.

And yes Rukee, with opengl I get around 70fps. I just think that it should be faster than my other PC. Oh, I also swapped video cards in the 2 machines and nothing changed on the P4 with the Geforce2. 25 fps. The AMD 1.2 went up 10 or so frames.

:mad::( :mad: :( :mad: :(

Rooster
20th Feb 2002, 12:08 PM
Anyone know of a good heatsink/fan combination that isn't loud? Goldengate Copper Heatsink (http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/svcgolgathea1.html) just add a 30/32CFM fan. Check out my sig, click on the Rig link and check the bottom.

It is not difficult to get the internal ambient T to 40C and the processor above 50C with the case I have at this time.I upgraded to this case -- and wow.. my temps dropped like you wouldn't believe: MAXTOP 147KG2F-USB BLUE (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=11-150-022) -- it comes with 3 fans, so you just need one other. If you doubt it will push your system (re: powersupply), just look at mine and try to tell me yours is more demanding.

I have an 80mm YS-TECH 45cfm side intake fan ducted onto a FOP32-1 cooling a 1Gig T-Bird @ 1.4Gig with full load temps ~50-54C.Anything over 52C isn't very good. At my worst, I would crash at 53C (XP is a bit more sensitive to CPU temp than other OS's). My current fan never let's my o/c 1.2 @ 1.4 go over 45C (and that's only when it's hot in the room, running for 5 hours doing video conversion).

That is amazing that the P4 1.9 only gets 25fps.That just means something isn't set up correctly.

Oh, I also swapped video cards in the 2 machines and nothing changed on the P4 with the Geforce2. 25 fps. UT is CPU limited moreso than video. I saw VERY little difference going from GeForce2 to GeForce3. Now, Unreal II is a different story!

Fomhoire
6th Mar 2002, 07:01 PM
I finally got around to popping in the Athlon XP1800+

Min 60.95, Max 155.11, Ave 95.27


Epox 8KHA+
1.53Ghz Athlon XP1800+
256 MB Corsair XMS 2400 DDR
Voodoo 5 5500
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card.


When I installed the XP1800+ I forgot to
change the clock to 133. Out of curiosity I ran
a test to see the difference between the Athlon
and the Athlon XP at somewhat comparable clock speeds.

Athlon XP1800+ clocked at 1.16Ghz

Min 56.01, Max 138.26, Ave 86.12




Previously:

Min 53.91, Max 128.13, Ave 79.57


Epox 8KHA+
1.1Ghz Athlon
256 MB Corsair XMS 2400 DDR
Voodoo 5 5500
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card.

Rukee
17th Jun 2003, 03:11 PM
Abit NF7-S ver.2
xp2100 OC`d to 217MHz fsb as in the 3DMARK score in sig
2-256 sticks OCZ PC3500EL @ CAS2 settings 3-3-7
MSI GF4Ti4600 @ 4x and 330mhz core and 735mhz memory
XP Pro
I`m sure the Vapochill Case helps some too. ;)

UT openGL 1024x768 32 bit full everything, let it run about 10-15 times;
97.96 min. 267.69 max. 150.05 Ave

Rooster
8th Aug 2003, 01:10 AM
Since I just updated... should I install UT and give this a whirl? Just for old-times sake?

(went from XP2200 to P4 2.8C - same video card - GF4 4200)

DigitalPixie
22nd Aug 2003, 12:19 AM
Rukee, the phony frame rate you posted was due to running a previous match at aproximately 50% speed.

Rooster
8th Sep 2003, 09:04 PM
Grenade?

MST
20th Nov 2003, 03:47 PM
I had submitted my scores before the before the big loss of posts. I finally got around to re-doing it.

AMD Athlon 2800+ Barton
Asus A7N8X deluxe
512MB Corsair XMS 3200 RAM
Radeon 9700 Pro

1280x1024
OpenGL

11090 frames rendered in 84.78 seconds. Min 88.27 Max 235.94 130.79 fps.
11042 frames rendered in 84.71 seconds. Min 87.86 Max 245.46 130.33 fps.

Skillz
22nd Jan 2004, 09:55 PM
I average around 100 FPS in the intro. 1.0 Ghz Athlon, 384 MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 Ultra 64MB Video Card, 800x600 resolution.

DigitalPixie
23rd Feb 2005, 12:13 AM
GRRRR Now I'm dissappointed. I was first to beat ten thousand frames and the post is destroyed? Was with W98SE, AMD 2600+ and GF3 ti500(265/570) and v4.36. 10130 frames. or something. This really sucks.

But now suck on this ! :D :D

/OpenGL !!

DigitalPixie
23rd Feb 2005, 12:46 AM
sorry should have included....

/D3D !

Jackal239
28th Jul 2005, 06:26 PM
Radeon 9600Xt

1GB 3200 SDDRAM

AMD Sempron 3000+ 2.2 ghz

80 GB 7200rpm HD

100+ Fps average. Used Fraps.

DigitalPixie
15th Feb 2006, 04:19 AM
D3D8 - AMD 4000+, dual channel 2X1GB 2-3-2-5 system memory @ 204MHz, X800XT 500/500

oh, would like to add a :D if I may :D