About socialism in the States

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Zur

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Stupid rant

Article 22 of the Declaration of Human Rights:

* Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
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I guess that's one more convenient reason to break away from the UN.

P.S: I'll agree that the text is outdated and has become utter bull****. I was probably denied some of these so-called rights in the past ;/ .
 
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Larkin

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There is several reasons to break up the UN besides this.

Anyways, any laws passed by the UN is not going to be listened to by anyone that really doesn't give a **** what they say and happens to be a member. Which includes most of the nations.

The UN has always been and alway will be a joke.
 
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Zur

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Yeah, the UN needs a overhaul. Also, although the declaration is seen as THE text of rights, it doesn't seem to be applied 100% anywhere. It needs to be replaced with something more up to date.
 
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Calling fellow members bad guys in the UN doesn't really work. You can't use UN weight to help force people to do anything as the UN has no WEIGHT.

Opps, Azura edited his post...

I'm going to leave this anyway.
 
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Zur

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You know what I mean ;) . It's about having some weight on one end so dictatorships on the other don't get the impression they can get away with something. Since they do get away with stuff, it would appear that you are right about the UN having no weight. Which means it isn't doing it's job in terms of securing peace. Hence the need for something new.

As for members critisizing each other, the principle behind any group is to vote before taking action. That vote didn't take place so there's no point in bringing that piece of history of up.

Oh, and anyone reading this might be interested to know that the UN headquarters are in New York :D : http://www.un.org/Depts/OHRM/sds/internsh/index.htm
 
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The UN does not need an overhaul. It will always be worthless. The premise is flawed. Nations cannot and should not be expected to give up any portion of their sovereignty to any kind of worldwide organization. Without the ability to force compliance the UN will always be ineffective.

It's good to have an avenue that nations can use to voice it's concerns, but you can't expect much more than that.
 
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All the UN should have is a message board, like BUF, because in the end, that's about all it will amount to.
 
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TWD said:
The UN does not need an overhaul. It will always be worthless. The premise is flawed. Nations cannot and should not be expected to give up any portion of their sovereignty to any kind of worldwide organization. Without the ability to force compliance the UN will always be ineffective.
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That's what I keep hearing on BU. But do you know that the original League of Nations that became the UN is what has more or less helped to keep widescale war at bay ? Before that the declaration of human rights didn't exist and it was sort of ok to cremate people because they were part of subspecies and abuse blacks because they weren't real people. Before, this was part of everyday reality.

However hard your feelings might be towards some disagreement about what should be done in the middle east, you can't seriously be telling me that you'd prefer a world where every country does what it wants and risk your descendants being killed on the spot one day ? You are for peace aren't you ?
 
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Azura said:
That's what I keep hearing on BU. But do you know that the original League of Nations that became the UN is what has more or less helped to keep widescale war at bay ? Before that the declaration of human rights didn't exist and it was sort of ok to cremate people because they were part of subspecies and abuse blacks because they weren't real people. Before, this was part of everyday reality.

However hard your feelings might be towards some disagreement about what should be done in the middle east, you can't seriously be telling me that you'd prefer a world where every country does what it wants and risk your descendants being killed on the spot one day ? You are for peace aren't you ?
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The only way the organization can be effective is to say "ok we made this law, you'll follow it or else". Right now the most they can do is have individual countries impose economic sanctions on the country. Something I think we've all seen to be largely ineffective. Once you take away a nations individual soverignty you are treading on dangerous ground. What happens when the majority of countries decide that communism is the way to go, or that every nation has to be Muslim now? That's why it will never happen. The UN will never be given teeth.
 
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TWD said:
The only way the organization can be effective is to say "ok we made this law, you'll follow it or else".
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Yeah, there's a lot of you'll follow this or else at the moment. One of Prince Charles' buddies died trying to get that message accross...
 
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Haha you're such an American. :]
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I fail to understand why what he said automatically makes him "such an American". Do non-Americans have some kind of investment in the UN or something? I don't really think it's a stretch to say that the UN doesn't do much more than provide a supposed "neutral" area for nation leaders to talk to each other. What else can they do? They don't technically have a military force or any weapons to threaten with, and it is quite clear in several cases that there are plenty of leaders around the world who don't give two craps about UN sanctions, because when has the UN ever mobilized forces for any reason?
 
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