Consoles to pay for user mods - the future?

If the developers set the cost and take the profit sans a small percentage to have the mod certified. I don't think it's the future. Steam already offers this kind of service.

Modding for profit would be a pretty bad idea. It will end up discouraging creativity and innovation and become like the main industry.

They should keep it totally free, flowing and accessible. The incentive for modding should be being proud of making something awesome!

Well, I'd certainly be willing to pay for quality custom content, and a lot more than 10-50C, too, if it buys me some artistic control. But personally I'd prefer informal, private arrangements to some kind 'official', centralized Xbox Live crap or whatever.

There's already enough rubbish around, if people would get payed to release map, everybody will give a shot.

You know what they should do?
A contest !!!!
A contest of making something "Unreal" eheh, with a big price (let's say...1 M $).
That will lead to the best talent to do something great.

A contest, I've had a great idea !!!!!1111
I bet nobody ever though of it eh ehehehhe.

Stuff like this has already come into place like with oblivion both PC and xbos players have to buy the small addons released by the studio bethesda but i guess that is because the studio actually made the game in the first place ... paying for third party mods i think would be a huge mistake but if its something the company that created the game in the first place has released then its their decision to do so and there really isnt anything we can do to stop them unless you have no loyalty to the company that made the game then in that case i guess your lowerd ethics will eventually lead you to paying for the contact and then leaking it out to the web.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! PIRATE MONKIES!

Its definately an issue, as like you said, you are practically helping to split the community, and promote another platform than your own when cooking for the PS3, it is understandable that modders have their doubts about doing it.

But paying for mods just opens up the door for way too many other potential problems, i just don't see it as the solution.


On the whole, i just plain think going cross platform with this title was a horrible idea, its not like the UT community was very big to start with, and a game like this needs lots of players and servers to survive, so driving a big fat wedge into the community by splitting it in 3 is just.. not good.

But i doubt they will change their mind about that for future versions, there's just too much money to be made selling it on all 3 platforms.

ROFL.
They WON'T BUY ANY MODS THEN.
Why buy mods for some "little"(big part of console gamers don't know that is UT anyway) game then you could play GALO or another crappy shooter?
No way THIS will help. It will only take away part of community.

sneh said:

Im talking about getting more players on PC.

I wouldn't like to see the PC version become only modders and the other 90% of players on consoles. Feels like thats where its heading.

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Look, if you had both a PS3 and a top-of-the-line PC, what version of UT3 would you buy?
Ok, UT3 is a console game ported to PC (I think we all agree). But the advantages in buying the PC versions are huge:

- Graphic is really better on the PC. The PS3 has a GPU more or less like the GeForce 7600 GT
(both at 22.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, PS3 = 256 MB @ 650 MHz, GeForce = 700 MHz (1400 MHz effective).
As UT3 can "drain the life away" (like someone in UT3 says) of the most advanced videocards when the community will make seriously HUGE maps with 64 players, you can have a better experience with the PC
- maps and mods are easily available (I'm not sure how you can install custom content for the PS3)
- more customizable
- servers won't ban you if you use keyboard and mouse
- I may be wrong, but I think the game itself costs less in the PC

To cut a long story short, you will be playing with the PC if you have a "gaming PC", full stop. Everybody that could play with a PC will play with a PC.

So to get more players for the PC UT3 should....well....do something that justify spending 1000 € for a decent PC.
Seriously, would a UT3 mod make you spend 1000 €, alone?
I spent that money because I'm passionate about PC, because I like to assemble it myself, because I like to own a good GPU, and so on. But if someone cares only about videogames will buy a console, no matter what.

So unless Epic will put cocaine in the PC game to enhance the gaming experience, they cannot do anything to move people from console to PC.

Those who can do something, and really should, are Intel, AMD, ATI, nVidia etc. lowering the price of assembling a gaming PC. (and therefore selling more of them).
That's the only way to drive more people to PC gaming, when someone will realize that buying a PS3 + a weak PC to surf internet more expensive than gaming PC

gregori said:

Modding for profit would be a pretty bad idea. It will end up discouraging creativity and innovation and become like the main industry.

They should keep it totally free, flowing and accessible. The incentive for modding should be being proud of making something awesome!

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I dunno if it would limit creativity, it certainly might but then again it could encourage more of it since the incentive is there to be different.

We see it with indy developers as well, I guess thats more of what it would be over mods, just opening UE up for indy devs alittle more.

I can certainly see where you are coming from though, Im happy to release my stuff for free and I do it because I enjoy it. When we look at the games biz on a whole though it is a different monster to what it has been in the past, there was a time when every developer was trying to do something unique. Now its kinda falling into a spot where everyone is sticking to features they know do well and not trying a great deal outside of that.

This could help to fill that gap alittle but I do tend to lean in agreeance with you that it could hurt some, infact it might limit the mod community more since everyone is out to make the money instead of making mods. I just dont think its so black and white, Im sure there would be who would take advantage of this to make something unique or something they would like to see done instead of what the market tells them will sell

Plutonia_Experi said:

Seriously, would a UT3 mod make you spend 1000 €, alone?

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Yes, and I'm not talking about a new gaming rig, either. But only if I have a good deal of creative control. A custom mod is like a custom car; priceless.

Plutonia_Experi said:

Ok, UT3 is a console game ported to PC (I think we all agree).

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no we don't

Being as though mods for UT have always been free. I would wouldn't pay a DIME for content on x-live. It's just mind boggling to me that they would even suggest it.

Plutonia_Experi said:

Ok, UT3 is a console game ported to PC (I think we all agree).

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elmuerte said:

no we don't

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qft

Too many issues. Would remakes have to be released for free? What if someone made small changes to a map someone else made, and released it for free? Would people just download that version? Who would enforce the copyright if the original author complained? Would you allow people to make changes to maps they had purchased at all, even if it were for personal use? If so how would you keep piracy to a minimum? Would there be any form of quality control? If so, who would get to decide what's acceptable? If not, how would you deal with complaints and refunds regarding broken content? If you would deal with that with user reviews, how would you monitor them to prevent falsely positive reviews spammed by the author and friends?

Vitamin-Carrot said:

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Too bad I didn't invent it. Maybe all the people who was thinking so got erased in the big forum crash.

When you have slide bars, 3 graphic options, no bot roster, no customizability whatsoever, a menu that asks you for confirmation every button you press, no change view in the vehicles... it's not a console game, no.

FYI this is a menu of a PC game:
http://www.nvnews.net/articles/benchmarking/ut2004/images/display_settings_s.gif

And this is a menu of a console game:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9815/ut3demo2007102418080861dm8.jpg

Try to compare them, maybe eventually you will find some differences.

lol numpty

Educating a vegitable is like punching yourself in the face with a fist coverd in poop ... its just not cricket

next you will be linking the differences between the c&c versions on the PC and psx