All Resident Evil 5 racism can go bye bye

[Capt.Toilet]

I present to you a cracka :D

On a side note, the new info on this game is very very interesting. Resident Evil 4 on steroids perhaps? Either way can't wait.

[Plumb_Drumb]

you know, I totally forgot about the racism until you brought it up again.

let's do Mexican jokes now.

[Big-Al]

i want to do jokes about people with a small penis :(

[Plumb_Drumb]

we wouldn't wan't to offend Big Al though :(

[Adelheid]

Racism? I think I missed a "games are the source of all evil in the world" news rant, could someone fill me in?

[Slainchild]

One of the original videos was basically the player killing a load of infected Africans. So yeah.

edit: or something along those lines.

[Adelheid]

So a guy in Africa kills lots of infected people who are, lo and behold, African, and people complain? :lol:

What if Capcom had bowed to their ranting and replaced all of the blacks with whites, would that be better? :lol:

[Plumb_Drumb]

but there's a cracker in there, so it's cool.

lmao, racism.

[Adelheid]

But they could still be picking on minorities; Do we know if the cracker is a puff or not?

[Plumb_Drumb]

I just find it offensive that those Africans always get to be infected.

(what am I doing?)
One more hour until the liquor store opens!!

[Airmoran]

Man, just when you figure it's over...

So a guy in Africa kills lots of infected people who are, lo and behold, African, and people complain? :lol:
It didn't quite play out like that. There was more than just "hey, the bad guys are Black. Let's bitch and moan." There's a pretty nasty history of Europeans going into Africa and slaughtering the locals. In addition, Africa has been stereotyped as being a cultural wasteland filled with savages. Lo and behold, you have a game about what appears to be a white dude in Africa being attacked by savages, zombies or not. There was never a "omg Capcom hates black people!" uproar but a "dude, isn't that... off color?" uproar.

What if Capcom had bowed to their ranting and replaced all of the blacks with whites, would that be better? :lol:
That'd depend on the buncha factors. Imagine if they made a RE that took place in WW2-era Austria with zombie jews...

What I want to see is if people bitch and moan about white zombies in RE5. People are stupid like that.

[Balton]

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1994/Resident-Evil-5/p1/

^intresting preview. RE5 is now officially on my radar...

[Adelheid]

That'd depend on the buncha factors. Imagine if they made a RE that took place in WW2-era Austria with zombie jews...

That would be undoubtedly evil, but I'd still play it simply because the atmosphere would be great.... and we could make it all good by having the hero discover half-way that it is his bosses that made the jews into zombies and then he turns on them and.... maye we should copyright this?

[Big-Al]

I just find it offensive that those Africans always get to be infected.

(what am I doing?)
One more hour until the liquor store opens!!

well watch out for any "Africans" if you are going to leave the sanctity of your home!


:lol:

[cuddles]

i want to do jokes about people with a small penis :(

Look no further.

[Big-Al]

^you too?

[Leonardo]

Viagra is your friend...so is a berrta with a "Full" on clip. XD

[KillStreak]

So a guy in Africa kills lots of infected people who are, lo and behold, African, and people complain? :lol:

i take offense to images that I saw from RE5. Its not because your shooting black people **** we did that all day in GTA3, vice city, and san andreas.


I dont know, its just one game I wont be playing. It will probly be fun, but I have some moral issues with it.

http://www.mrdowling.com/611starving.jpg

That would be undoubtedly evil, but I'd still play it simply because the atmosphere would be great....

why would that be evil? the Genocide of the jews?

guess what Africa is facing that every mother ****ing day. Rape in the congo, aids, starvation, never ending wars, poverty, child soldiers, and a ****ing list a mile long of other horrors.

But I guess thats all okay.

[Big-Al]

maybe Africa should be sunk for 40 days & 40 nights and then brought back up above sea level?

[KillStreak]

maybe Africa should be sunk for 40 days & 40 nights and then brought back up above sea level?

:con:

[Adelheid]

i take offense to images that I saw from RE5. Its not because your shooting black people **** we did that all day in GTA3, vice city, and san andreas.

Then why? Why do you take offence at the images from RE5?

I dont know, its just one game I wont be playing. It will probly be fun, but I have some moral issues with it.

Such as?

[naked and malnourished child surrounded by clothed and nourished adults]

why would that be evil? the Genocide of the jews?

Because if such a game was released there would be no two ways about it, no way to hide it: The point of the game is to kill jews.

guess what Africa is facing that every mother ****ing day. Rape in the congo, aids, starvation, never ending wars, poverty, child soldiers, and a ****ing list a mile long of other horrors.

But I guess thats all okay.

It is not ok, but I don't see why bad things happening in country X means I should not play a game that is set in country X.
If there is a reason why such a thing should occur, even if it is a crap one, then please enlighten me.

[Fearless]

maybe Africa should be sunk for 40 days & 40 nights and then brought back up above sea level?

And this my friends, is how you know you're going to hell. :lol:

[dotnetbeast]

maybe Africa should be sunk for 40 days & 40 nights and then brought back up above sea level?

Hasnt that already been done?

[Airmoran]

It is not ok, but I don't see why bad things happening in country X means I should not play a game that is set in country X.
If there is a reason why such a thing should occur, even if it is a crap one, then please enlighten me.
Just a guess, but maybe because he's somewhat offended by the idea of trivializing what he perceives as a very serious set of issues into horror movie fluff, wherein hundreds of what he sees as real-life struggling people have been fictionalized into a mindless horde for you to slaughter?

Besides, the entire continent of Africa is not particularly well understood in either the 'states or in Japan. I'm guessing a lot of folks will play this game and assume it's a relatively accurate representation of the entirety of Africa. At least people understood that RE4's village was clearly ass-backwards, trapped in the past, and clearly not representative of Spain. I wonder if they'll analyze RE5 with the same scope.

It's iffy and problematic and there's no good solution in hand. Hey, just the fact that we're pretty much reduced here to saying "somewhere in Africa" as opposed to a specific nation is already kinda iffy. Africa's a huuuge place.

[Big-Al]

And this my friends, is how you know you're going to hell. :lol:

One goes to heaven for the climate, one goes to hell for the company.

[Fearless]

Hasnt that already been done?

Yes, but luckily someone broke out a box of life preservers (cheerios) and saved them.

Hey look!, I'm going to hell now too! :lol:

[KillStreak]

Just a guess, but maybe because he's somewhat offended by the idea of trivializing what he perceives as a very serious set of issues into horror movie fluff, wherein hundreds of what he sees as real-life struggling people have been fictionalized into a mindless horde for you to slaughter?

you summed it up pretty nicely, good job.

[Mister_Prophet]

Well you can go boycott the game then, and feel better about yourself. Totally fine with me :)

I'll be busy slaughtering zombies, Black Hawk Down style.

[dotnetbeast]

Yes, but luckily someone broke out a box of life preservers (cheerios) and saved them.

Hey look!, I'm going to hell now too! :lol:

Werent you already going to hell?

[ZenPirate]

Usually I keep my mouth shut, but as a member of the Zombie race I'm getting increasingly offended by all these games glorifying Zombie bashing. I'm getting a lawyer :mad:

[Fuzzle]

heh, makes me think of this thing.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/05/425_sony_whiteiscoming_ad_large.jpg

I didn't interpret any racism in the RE5 trailers, but I can see how people are feeling that it's just unneccesary and kinda pushing it.
Like mentioned earlier, it's more the issue of how they appear more like savage negros than zombies that just happen to be african, being gunned down by the young and handsome white dude.

It should be mentioned that the protagonist's sidekick is a black chick, or at least I think she was. That's a pretty solid alibi, at least.

[KillStreak]

Well you can go boycott the game then, and feel better about yourself. Totally fine with me :)

I'll be busy slaughtering zombies, Black Hawk Down style.

why i post less and less at these forums. :o

[dotnetbeast]

Usually I keep my mouth shut, but as a member of the Zombie race I'm getting increasingly offended by all these games glorifying Zombie bashing. I'm getting a lawyer :mad:

You should hire Mike Nifong.

[Mister_Prophet]

why i post less and less at these forums. :o

You do realize you're being way too serious about a B-Movie survival horror game series that has the dialogue equivalent of a 4rth grade play, right?

[hilo_]

guess what Africa is facing that every mother ****ing day. Rape in the congo, aids, starvation, never ending wars, poverty, child soldiers, and a ****ing list a mile long of other horrors.

But I guess thats all okay.

So playing this game is an act of condonation for all of that?

Can you provide a demographically-accurate setting in Africa for RE5 with which you'd have no "moral issues" ?

[Sarevok]

i take offense to images that I saw from RE5. Its not because your shooting black people **** we did that all day in GTA3, vice city, and san andreas.


I dont know, its just one game I wont be playing. It will probly be fun, but I have some moral issues with it.

why would that be evil? the Genocide of the jews?

guess what Africa is facing that every mother ****ing day. Rape in the congo, aids, starvation, never ending wars, poverty, child soldiers, and a ****ing list a mile long of other horrors.

But I guess thats all okay.

Sorry but I don't see the connection with RE5 and rape/aids/starvation/poverty/etc... It's not like RE5/Capcom is glorifying those issues just because you're fighting in Africa. If you honestly care that much what are doing to fight the cause? Are you donating your time or money to Africa? It takes more than just not playing a game.

[ZenPirate]

Killstreak, you need to calm down. With all the problems parts of Africa has you should be relieved that someone is taking the time to destroy the zombie nests over there. Imagine if the horrors of zombification spread to all parts of the continent.....

[Unreality]

the rhino's! why doesnt anybody think of the poor rhino's!

[GotBeer?]

I do, every time I pop a little powdered rhino horn. Not as effective as human horn, but easier to convert to powdered form.

[Capt.Toilet]

I do, every time I pop a little powdered rhino horn. Not as effective as human horn, but easier to convert to powdered form.

[Continuum]

I'm guessing a lot of folks will play this game and assume it's a relatively accurate representation of the entirety of Africa.

I guess when you think about it the game does pretty accurately portray zombies. They got a couple minor details of zombie life were off but overall they were fairly close.

[BlackCheetah]

Africa is not a country...


Alittle rough don't ya think.

[das_ben]

You do realize you're being way too serious about a B-Movie survival horror game series, right?

You do realize what you just implied with mentioning Blackhawk Down, right?

[Larkin]

Opps, a nipple
Opps, a penis
Opps, a murder
Opps, a rape
Opps, drug use
Opps, a wee bit of racism

FU reality, I'm an old lady and I demand socialism.

[BlackCheetah]

Maybe they should of placed it in new york with the handsome white guy killing the blood and crips zombies. It would the best resident evil game. Might as well put all gangs in it. I would love to kill those black people.


Alittle rough don't ya think.

[Mister_Prophet]

You do realize what you just implied with mentioning Blackhawk Down, right?

I didn't imply anything. I made a comment to get a rise out of some people who take stuff like this too seriously. I see it worked.

[MonsOlympus]

Well okies, I dunno if I should be chiming in here but I was reading about RE5 and how the developer spoke about haiti.

A zombie is a reanimated corpse. Stories of zombies originated in the Afro-Caribbean spiritual belief system of Vodou, which told of the dead being raised as workers by a powerful sorcerer.

Perhaps we can celebrate the fact that these things are influencing everyone no matter what their cultural background. For me I prefer more traditional zombies, the new age stuff can be kewl dont get me wrong but Im just a fan of mythology and legends such as this.

[das_ben]

I made a comment to get a rise out of some people who take stuff like this too seriously.

Because blunt racism is just so original and amusing.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Maybe they should of placed it in new york with the handsome white guy killing the blood and crips zombies. It would the best resident evil game. Might as well put all gangs in it. I would love to kill those black people.


Alittle rough don't ya think.

Nope, sounds good to me except for the black people part.

[SleepyHe4d]

People are seriously crying about RE5? I thought it was just some invisible group of people that only exists in writing in news articles on the internet. :o

I didn't imply anything. I made a comment to get a rise out of some people who take stuff like this too seriously. I see it worked.
:D:tup:

[Big-Al]

Because blunt racism is just so original and amusing.

...yep :)

[Mister_Prophet]

Because blunt racism is just so original and amusing.

Oh my god...:rolleyes:

The real irony here is that the closest thing to true racism exhibited by this thread is the idea that any race, culture, or creed cannot be presented and exploited equally in the survival horror genre. ;)

Everyone has a right to be zombified.

[Big-Al]

Oh my god...:rolleyes:

The real irony here is that the closest thing to true racism exhibited by this thread is the idea that any race, culture, or creed cannot be presented and exploited equally in the survival horror genre. ;)

Everyone has a right to be zombified.

especially "Africans" ;)

[BlackCheetah]

What if it were arabics ;)

[Mister_Prophet]

What if it were arabics ;)

Resident Evil 6.

Personally, I'd like Capcom to bring the story home next time around. Japanese Zombies!

[Big-Al]

What if it were arabics ;)

all look the same to me :lol:


and a lot of Arabs are Africans anyway?

[das_ben]

Oh my god...

I don't care (or know) much about the Resident Evil game, I was specifically referring to your Blackhawk Down comment. It wasn't funny or a case of oh so provocative humour, it was simply out of place and showing that in your little mind zombies and Somali aren't all that different.

[Airmoran]

The real irony here is that the closest thing to true racism exhibited by this thread is the idea that any race, culture, or creed cannot be presented and exploited equally in the survival horror genre. ;)
Actually, you're the one who just came up with that.

Like everyone who's been trying to explain the criticism has already said, the issue was never "OMG the zombies are black! That's racist!"

It's that their depictions of the zombie horde is strikingly similar to white supremacist imagery. Yeah, people know that playing a game with (unintentional) white supremacist undertones doesn't make you a racist, but it does display some sort of general ignorance to the world at large.

Hate to break it to you, but as it turns out, racism is real and people do get f*cked over by it. RE5 won't be the worst thing to happen to The Dream, but it won't be exactly the best, either.

[BlackCheetah]

I wonder if this could of been in kenya, and there was a infected Massai tribe :eek: zombies... jump... good... *dies*

You know what they could of done is put more zombie animals, like zombie musquitos, zombie lions, and hippos, meat hungry elephants. I would liked it more than RE4 and also be more realistic.

[Mister_Prophet]

I don't care (or know) much about the Resident Evil game, I was specifically referring to your Blackhawk Down comment. It wasn't funny or a case of oh so provocative humour, it was simply out of place and showing that in your little mind zombies and Somali aren't all that different.

:doh:

Das, you fail at life. If you can't tell the difference between "blunt racism" and the dismissal of an absurd perception through antagonistic, but ultimately benign, mockery...well then I don't know what else to say. Either you understand and realize that I was baiting Killstreak (rather innocently, I might add) or you don't, and you clearly do not.

There is a severe abundance of tightened colons in this thread. You who have failed so horribly to see the ridiculousness in any endeavor to find racism in a Resident Evil title disappoint me so much. Please, exit this thread promptly before you make yourselves look worse and don't let the door hit you on your faginas on the way out.

[Airmoran]

Okay, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. We fear and respect you.

[Raynor.Z]

RE series was good until 4th. I always loved Resident Evil games because of city/indrustrial setting with tons of horrific creatures lurking around, Umbrella underground labs, old mansions etc. RE4 really took the seriels IMO a little bit wrong direction, although the fourth game wasnt's itself bad it did not felt so great. Resident Evil 5 really shines with good graphics, but judging from previews and videos, the gameplay resembles largely RE4 with some tweaks and moving to Africa...? Well I really don't know how well does it play out.

[Big-Al]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/a/af/Movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

I see black people

[Mister_Prophet]

Actually, you're the one who just came up with that.

Like everyone who's been trying to explain the criticism has already said, the issue was never "OMG the zombies are black! That's racist!"

It's that their depictions of the zombie horde is strikingly similar to white supremacist imagery.

Only if you read too much into it, which is precisely what is going on. The fact is that what is going on here (and outcries elsewhere about this game, and the last) is an overblown cry of racism and nothing but. Whether it's generic African people dancing around burning tires with their AK-47s in the air or capitalistic Pharmaceutical corruption, the bottom line is that this is a video game series famous for utilizing cliche and tired archetypes to facilitate one goal: present a survival horror game about killing zombies and monsters while occasionally solving puzzles and listening to terrible dialogue. If you see it as anything more than that, like finding "striking similarities to supremacist imagery" in a game trailer, you're not only reading too much into it...but you're making huge assumptions about a game that's not even released yet. If the game comes out and we all find that one of Chris Redfield's inventory items is a barrel of watermelons that he can use to "distract" oncoming hordes of black zombies, then yeah...I can understand some of these sentiments. But what is most likely going to be the experience is what we saw in Resident Evil 4, with better graphics; exactly what we saw in all the other Resident Evils, which was generic heroes fighting generic zombies in generic regional environments and nothing else.


Yeah, people know that playing a game with (unintentional) white supremacist undertones doesn't make you a racist, but it does display some sort of general ignorance to the world at large.

First off, white people don't make the Resident Evil games and I hardly think Capcom is pushing white supremacist sentiments. Second off, and this is really where I lose you, is that what you are implying is that people are looking for insight into the "world at large" in video games such as the Resident Evil series. That's like when Christina Ricci said she was all excited about her role in Speed Racer because she was portraying a character who young girls could look up to. Because a movie like Speed Racer is exactly where young girls are going to go to acquire a role model. The Resident Evil series has shown ignorance to the world at large since its conception. Are you saying that that should change now? Everyone who plays a Resident Evil game knows exactly what they are in for. If anyone is using any game in that series as a reference for how they perceive foreign relations...well I'm willing to bet that their viewpoint was probably gonna be skewed anyway.


Hate to break it to you, but as it turns out, racism is real and people do get f*cked over by it. RE5 won't be the worst thing to happen to The Dream, but it won't be exactly the best, either.

Hate to break it to you, I'm not some naive white guy who doesn't understand that the world is far from perfect and that racism is as real as genital herpes. But thanks for trying to keep it real for me ;). I'm just not looking to Resident Evil to further my outlook on humanities slights.

Okay, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. We fear and respect you.

Don't cop out. It's unbecoming of you. It's okay to be dead wrong about these things sometimes.

[Mister_Prophet]

RE series was good until 4th. I always loved Resident Evil games because of city/indrustrial setting with tons of horrific creatures lurking around, Umbrella underground labs, old mansions etc. RE4 really took the seriels IMO a little bit wrong direction, although the fourth game wasnt's itself bad it did not felt so great. Resident Evil 5 really shines with good graphics, but judging from previews and videos, the gameplay resembles largely RE4 with some tweaks and moving to Africa...? Well I really don't know how well does it play out.

I agree with you, to some extent. I missed the puzzles. Although, the changes in the combat system were great improvements. I just wish they had kept all the other series gameplay elements and bettered them as well.

[das_ben]

You who have failed so horribly to see the ridiculousness in any endeavor to find racism in a Resident Evil title disappoint me so much.

Whatever.

I don't care (or know) much about the Resident Evil game, I was specifically referring to your Blackhawk Down comment.

Seriously, stop trying so hard to be an Internet idiot. It's very unbecoming of you.

[Mister_Prophet]

You're the one who completely misunderstood the comment to begin with, Das. You saw a racist intent when there was none.

[das_ben]

Intent or not, maybe you should just review how your remark might have sounded to others (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)).

[Mister_Prophet]

Or...you know, you could just not take everything on the internet literally? I suppose I expected a bit much, though. Surely there weren't enough obvious jokes posted in the thread before my comment to suggest that maybe, just maybe, I wasn't an uninformed bigot? ;)

[evilmrfrank]

I do love how nobody ever complains about things when it's white ppl.

[Big-Al]

I do love how nobody ever complains about things when it's white ppl.

:eek: you racist!!!



BAN!!!!!

[BlackCheetah]

I do love how nobody ever complains about things when it's white ppl.

The Japanese will declare war.

[Marty]

The racism claims were completely unjustified and typical of this ridiculously politically correct world we live in.

It's perhaps a little black and white (ho ho) to look at it this way, but he's shooting them because they're zombies. Not because they're black. End of discussion.

[Big-Al]

The racism claims were completely unjustified and typical of this ridiculously politically correct world we live in.

It's perhaps a little black and white (ho ho) to look at it this way, but he's shooting them because they're zombies. Not because they're black. End of discussion.

...I like GTA San Andreas;)

[MonsOlympus]

First off, white people don't make the Resident Evil games and I hardly think Capcom is pushing white supremacist sentiments.

Just gonna touch on this since theres a similar thread up talking about fallout 3 screenshots being labelled terrorist propaganda. Really, it is fiction isnt it any way you look at it even if it is made to resemble reality. Inspiration can come from alot of places, so when you talk about these "cliche and tired archetypes" it does make you wonder where freedom of speech and expression has gone to.

Some people might have motivations to produce something that has shock value on purpose in a game to make people aware of an issue, other times its just artists interpretation and/or creative license. Lets not limit peoples creative freedoms hey, thats not really the direction we should be pushing things.

[BlackCheetah]

white people don't make the Resident Evil games.

I do love how nobody ever complains about things when it's white ppl.

Japanese want to use these games to satisfy their revenge.

[Airmoran]

Only if you read too much into it- *snip*
Oh, okay, so there’s no problem 'cause it's cliche and generic, using stereotypical plots and enemies. And, as we all very well know, stereotypes can, in no shape or form, promote racism. Yeah, that’s working logic.

Come on, use some common sense here. Nobody’s worried about 99% of the people who will buy this game. Nobody cares what you or most of the people will get out of the game. Most of all, nobody cares that white people didn’t make the game and nobody is convinced that Capcom is trying to resurrect the Third Reich. Yeah, I’ve already written in my first post here that Capcom, in all likelihood, does not hate black people.

What people are worried about is that stinking at-least-one-percent of America that comes in and f*cks it up for everyone else. Imagine you were the child of, oh say, one of these guys (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-daily-show-west-virginia-voters-no-interviews-please/2973785445), for example. You were raised, let’s just say, in a different environment. Fine, you’re not going to go out and form a lynching party just ‘cause your parents are socially myopic or that you saw some game trailer.

But you do watch the RE5 trailer. Somehow… it seems… agreeable. Like, not just because it’s tense and looks like it’s a really fun installment of an already established franchise, but it’s also somehow… therapeutic. Like it taps something you really, really like inside. No, you’re still not going to go out there and shoot your black neighbors, but that next time on the school yard, you might just be more inclined to call the lone black kid in your school a n*gger. It just feels right, too. And therein lies a problem.

I don’t care if you are smart enough to realize it’s just a damn zombie game. Last I checked, you’re not a bloody racist who gathers his world view from a video game. And, last I checked, some insensitive video game trailer is a tiny drop in a massive pool of problems.

But if you were raised by racists and you do actually have a significant chance of growing up to continue your family’s sordid affair, well, now I would, if at all possible, love to do something to prevent you from not going down that path. I probably couldn't go up to you and slap you around 'till you realize that you're statistically inclined to go down a path, but at the very least I’m not going to pretend there isn’t a problem when there clearly is.

So yeah, last I checked, racism is real and it does f*ck people up. You somehow believing that you yourself can function as a racism gauge for *everyone* who will play RE5 does demonstrate that you’re probably a teensy ignorant about the world at large. The fact that you seem to be okay with the idea that potential racists will be racists anyways regardless of the game's existence also demonstrates this lack of social responsibility.

In short: who the f*ck cares what you're getting out of the trailer or the game. You were never in the goddamn spotlight.

[Big-Al]

Japanese want to use these games to satisfy their revenge.

each and every CD case sold in america is to be lined with Anthrax

[Mister_Prophet]

Oh, okay, so there’s no problem 'cause it's cliche and generic, using stereotypical plots and enemies. And, as we all very well know, stereotypes can, in no shape or form, promote racism. Yeah, that’s working logic.


Come on, use some common sense here. Nobody’s worried about 99% of the people who will buy this game. Nobody cares what you or most of the people will get out of the game. Most of all, nobody cares that white people didn’t make the game and nobody is convinced that Capcom is trying to resurrect the Third Reich. Yeah, I’ve already written in my first post here that Capcom, in all likelihood, does not hate black people.

What people are worried about is that stinking at-least-one-percent of America that comes in and f*cks it up for everyone else. Imagine you were the child of, oh say, one of these guys (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-daily-show-west-virginia-voters-no-interviews-please/2973785445), for example. You were raised, let’s just say, in a different environment. Fine, you’re not going to go out and form a lynching party just ‘cause your parents are socially myopic or that you saw some game trailer.

But you do watch the RE5 trailer. Somehow… it seems… agreeable. Like, not just because it’s tense and looks like it’s a really fun installment of an already established franchise, but it’s also somehow… therapeutic. Like it taps something you really, really like inside. No, you’re still not going to go out there and shoot your black neighbors, but that next time on the school yard, you might just be more inclined to call the lone black kid in your school a n*gger. It just feels right, too. And therein lies a problem.

You're taking this out of context more than ever now. Nobody is saying stereotypes are good, but that doesn't automatically mean they are always bad. Stereotypes are a tool and they need human interaction to mean something. In the case of Resident Evil, the stereotypes are intentional. This is not a historical documentary, it's a game about zombies, mutants, and giant sticky monsters. It doesn't matter if someone understands that or not, because the mistake is on them. Stereotypes in a text book, ok bad. Stereotypes in a video game with a narrative as thin as a wet tissue, not inherently bad. Inherently entertaining. Do you think a racist's interpretation of game context is limited to presented sensibilities that you find questionable? Dude, a racist can find connections between goombas and blacks in Super Mario if they really want to. Your only real point...and correct me if I'm wrong, is that because there exists people like the ones you described(and they do exist), it is the game that is at fault? :eek: And this is supposed to be, logic? Common sense? The Matrix movies do not make people think they can fly over buildings and dodge bullets, ignorance and misunderstanding does that all on it's own and it takes place on that big block resting on your shoulders. It is presumptuous and simply unfair to say that the trailer is what makes the people you described seem comfortable with the image of a white dude slaughtering faceless black legions. To blame the game is to completely sidestep the real issue. What if the same trailer existed in a different way. Say the main character was black and the zombies were all white, would we be having this conversation? What if the main character was middle eastern and wore a turban? Just what guidelines would the trailer need to follow to be less "insensitive? But let's just consider the real brain scratcher. What if the game was not based on stereotypes at all? What if it was insightfully written and completely respected the cultures represented within the context of the game and the trailer reflected that...would that same stinkin one percent think any differently about minorities or people they deem inferior when they watched it?


As for your other comments, well I'm going to ignore them because they are absurd and irrelevant. You are taking this to a level it doesn't need to be for no meaningful resolution. You, and Das, have over analyzed everything I said. The trailer is, in itself, not racist. At the end of the day it's just some guy fighting undead monsters and to make it anything more than that is dishonest. If images of violence disturb you, well you can argue sensitivity all you want. That's fine. If Killstreak or anyone else doesn't want to play it because they think it's in bad taste, fine. But racism is specific. If a racist person watches the trailer and thinks racist thoughts, that does not magically transform the trailer into insensitive material. Nor does every stereotypical character, protagonist or antagonist, automatically have to account for real world concerns and issues if the context of their existence has nothing to do with either. That's misdirecting the point of racism altogether. Neglect on the societal ladder, malignant education, lackluster parental nurturing...no these things don't make white kids call black kids n*ggers. Resident Evil 5 does ;)

I've said way more than I intended to. I think I summed it up at the bottom of page 2. Thanks for hooking me in :P

[MonsOlympus]

What people are worried about is that stinking at-least-one-percent of America that comes in and f*cks it up for everyone else. Imagine you were the child of, oh say, one of these guys (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-daily-show-west-virginia-voters-no-interviews-please/2973785445), for example. You were raised, let’s just say, in a different environment. Fine, you’re not going to go out and form a lynching party just ‘cause your parents are socially myopic or that you saw some game trailer.

But you do watch the RE5 trailer. Somehow… it seems… agreeable. Like, not just because it’s tense and looks like it’s a really fun installment of an already established franchise, but it’s also somehow… therapeutic. Like it taps something you really, really like inside. No, you’re still not going to go out there and shoot your black neighbors, but that next time on the school yard, you might just be more inclined to call the lone black kid in your school a n*gger. It just feels right, too. And therein lies a problem.

Well thats a point, it could possibly promote things for people who are that way inclined or heavily subjected to it already. Thats like blaming games for school massacres, the issue is really a deeper seed then that. Hell I listen to alot of rap and that makes me feel like using the term nigga but not as a derogetory term but a term you would call a brother or friend, Id probably just get labelled as a wigga then and fall into that 'token' white guy wannabe rapper/dj type.

See I think using 'token' characters with different cultural backgrounds just to make everyone happy is limiting creative freedoms, its not like that all the time but some characters you do have to sit back and think about why they are of the cultural background they are. At times it doesnt make sense, not that games always need to but it just feels so forced, so much so its resulting in culturally diverse games.

No way is that a bad thing, dont take this the wrong way and its certainly does not always makes for thin characters. I just feel that if the developer, writer whom ever wasnt somehow pressured into making these roles or putting people of different cultures to what they had in mind for roles it could have been better.

Its like WW2 as an example right, no one really complained when it was people just killing germans or americans even though they left out alot of other cultures/countries who participated in the war (ofcoarse now days there is alot more push towards having these). It wasnt labelled as racist because there wernt any black nazi's, it just makes sense to the story, ofcoarse its based in real life but fiction can mimic real life if thats what the artist intends. If that means the zombie horde happen to be culturally different because of the country the game is set then it makes sense.

If people dont understand that or are raised in a way that makes it seem like its okay to be racist then its up to the parents. Hate breeds hate so if the parents are indeed racist then its always a possibility that their children can be. Its also possible that someone who has witnessed alot of racism to be offended by taking the art wrong, it does happen, no one is forcing anyone to play the game or watch the clips. If you are offended then I wont think any less of anyone who doesnt, we need more understanding if terms like racist are to be gone once and for all!

It does make you wonder though, like would racist or sexist people avoid games because they dont like playing a person of a different culture or sex. I certainly wouldnt label someone a racist or sexist because they prefer to be one or the other, either way the role you play would be the same :cool:

[Marty]

What people are worried about is that stinking at-least-one-percent of America that comes in and f*cks it up for everyone else. Imagine you were the child of, oh say, one of these guys (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-daily-show-west-virginia-voters-no-interviews-please/2973785445), for example. You were raised, let’s just say, in a different environment. Fine, you’re not going to go out and form a lynching party just ‘cause your parents are socially myopic or that you saw some game trailer.

But you do watch the RE5 trailer. Somehow… it seems… agreeable. Like, not just because it’s tense and looks like it’s a really fun installment of an already established franchise, but it’s also somehow… therapeutic. Like it taps something you really, really like inside. No, you’re still not going to go out there and shoot your black neighbors, but that next time on the school yard, you might just be more inclined to call the lone black kid in your school a n*gger. It just feels right, too. And therein lies a problem.

A game would never catalyse a reaction like that that time wouldn't expose anyway.

[Balton]

I pity the fool that fishes for racism in a barrel full of zombies...

[Balton]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/a/af/Movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

I see black people

can we get rambowjo to reenact this photo?

[Airmoran]

More stuff.
Dude, you still seem obsessed with blame. Placing blame on <x>, defending <y> from blame. That's completely besides the point. Again, use common sense here. I never said the game was to blame. In fact, I've already stated explicitly thrice that it bloody isn't racist. The trailer doesn't believe Africans to be inferior or anything. How much clearer can I make it? Sh*t, if you read the parts you've ignored, then you would've realized you managed repeat bits of my sentiments while somehow believing that you're disagreeing with me.

Nice going, dude. So seriously, read the whole post, then hit the reply button.

Still, what's weird is that you think I'm getting the imagery by reading too deeply into the trailer or something. You sure you're just not being naive or did you extrapolate that comment by, again, not reading posts?

Well thats a point, it could possibly promote things for people who are that way inclined or heavily subjected to it already. Thats like blaming games for school massacres, the issue is really a deeper seed then that.
Nope. Inclination for violence and racism are two far different things anyways, and uhh... last I checked video games are scapegoated (again, there it is with the blame rather than the issue) for being violent and not, for example, containing scenarios deeply resembling school shootings. This is, of course, assuming you even want to make blame part of the equation here.

A game would never catalyse a reaction like that that time wouldn't expose anyway.
So... promoting racism is okay on the basis that it's gonna happen anyways, just it'll happen, on average, 4 seconds later. Did I get that right?

And oh, yes. Yes it can. Not that it matters, but hey, sure. Remember kids, when racism happens, the first and only thing to do is to blame people! That'll solve everything!

[Mister_Prophet]

Airmoran,

If the game trailer isn't racist....then how exactly is it promoting racism? As for blame, I am not the one who started pointing fingers and making accusations. You're telling me that I should read your posts...but your posts are vague. The first time you quoted me, you made the same mistake Das did. Anyway, you're saying the game is not racist...but it's guilty of promoting racism (or are you just saying that because that's what others are saying?). Well, how exactly is it promoting racism? What in the trailer does that? This is exactly why I felt the need add to the joke pile after reading Killstreak's comments. Why does the moral compass swivel at a trailer as straightforward as this one is? Because it is a straightforward B-story and not a injustice biopic? C'mon. There is concern over the content, yet no accurate criticism of the content shown or the platform it is being presented on is being addressed. If you look for sexist undertones in a Jason Voorhee's film, you're doing it wrong. How exactly is anything depicted in the trailer doing a disservice to Africans? Because the region and culture depicted isn't completely established in all its realistic grittiness? That would be a pretty shallow assertion. If the context of those scenes can completely alter in their effect on a racist person's sentiments with the reversal of a skin tone...I think it's obvious where the racist promotions are coming from. That's hardly placing blame, I don't care about that. It's understanding that the game, for better or worse, isn't reflecting a society's shortsightedness of a particular global plight. It's avoiding it altogether because it isn't necessary for it to be discussed.



So... promoting racism is okay on the basis that it's gonna happen anyways, just it'll happen, on average, 4 seconds later. Did I get that right?


This here is exactly what I'm talking about. It makes you sound like you are expecting way too much from this particular title and that you are giving it an influence it doesn't have. That's what I've been saying the whole time (at least between me and you). That's all I've been saying to you. You haven't said anything yet that suggests you even remotely understand what I'm saying. You think the game promotes supremacist images, and I'm saying it doesn't. That's not agreeing.

Anyway, I've said everything I've needed to. I'm going to go play Super Mario Brothers and expose myself to a double dose of evil promotion; Sexism and Racism :D

[Armagon917]

I hope we evolve so that one day in a game we can shoot a black guy, a white guy, a hispanic guy, a german, a jew, an arab, a white metally retarded guy, a white woman, a black woman, a white dwarf, a black dwarf, a white guy in a wheelchair, a black guy in a wheelchair, a korean guy, a japanese guy, a russian guy, a klingon, and of course a black metally retarded guy so as to not offend anyone. :)

[Big-Al]

i wanna shoot me some women with dicks :p

[MonsOlympus]

I dunno what youre trying to say then Airmoran, I always thought racism was a form of violence in certain instances. It could just be a perception but we wouldnt be any better than racists if we try stopping people seeing the world the way they do.

What are your concerns with this? Is it that 1% of people who are already leading towards being racist are tipped over the edge by their perception of this game? Im sure the total number would be higher if it was a movie with similar content, that doesnt excuse these people and its not shifting blame.

As I said its all in the understanding and if people dont understand it then perhaps they should be aware. Labelling it as racist, like what has been done by others just promotes the game for racist people and doesnt help the issue at all. If a kid gets their hand on it and doesnt understand it then thats a problem.

Simply put, if these people against "racism" didnt see the game the way they did it wouldnt be promoting racism now would it. I think a big step to erradicating racism would be to stop using the term all together since its offensive to humans.

So called racism is not okay, promoting it is not okay, lack of understanding is not okay, trying to change peoples perceptions by making them aware is okay, forcing them to is not!

[Airmoran]

Oh sweet Jesus. I think I know what's happening.

Guys, look up, I dunno, the internet or something. Look up "racism". Racism is a thing, an action, something, that's based on the idea that one race is superior to another.

Now, rig it up the concern at hand. Nothing in the trailer is built around the idea that one race is superior to another. I've been saying that since page 1 yet you guys seem to think I haven't.

Yeah, as it turns out, you do need to carefully consider the facts before blatantly labeling something racist (which, again, I've been defending the game from accusations). There's nothing vague about my posts, but it does ultimately use a definition of racism, not that weird "if it gives the sensation of racism, then it's racist" that I'm guessing a lot of you guys are going with.

Hope that helps.

[MonsOlympus]

And btw, racism isnt the term you should look up... Its race, I believe the term in and of itself is racist :cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
The term race or racial group usually refers to the concept of dividing humans into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics. The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture), and self-identification.

I think I came in halfway through your posts, perhaps I missed the first couple. I'll go and check :p

ps, ist's and ism's do generally suck :lol:

[Airmoran]

Yeah, race in itself is racism as race was created with racist intentions.

However, working within the context of racism isn't. This wouldn't be a terrible example. Say I'm concerned with racists using, say, RE5 as a means of promoting their beliefs. Like they're attaching a copy of RE5 to each Aryran Brother of America brochure or something. I myself don't believe any race to be inferior or superior, but I understand this belief of others.

[Marty]

So... promoting racism is okay on the basis that it's gonna happen anyways, just it'll happen, on average, 4 seconds later. Did I get that right?

And oh, yes. Yes it can. Not that it matters, but hey, sure. Remember kids, when racism happens, the first and only thing to do is to blame people! That'll solve everything!

You're being moronic. That sort of nature always presents itself through explicit provocation or otherwise. To think that a game is ENTIRELY responsible for exposing that nature of certain individuals is retarded and sensationalist.

[Airmoran]

To think that a game is ENTIRELY responsible for exposing that nature of certain individuals...

...I didn't say that.

But thanks for playing.

[Marty]

Regardless, the rest of my post still stands.

[BlackCheetah]

People these days are so scared of talking about race.



The word racist has no meaning anymore than DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT IT'S RACIST, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.


To me a white woman beating a black woman in the Sony poster, makes me think well the white woman kicks ass.


To me this game makes me think well the european looking man can kick zombie with dark skin ass.

What People can find racist but isn't:

If George Bush had ever said he doesn't care about black people that would make him a bad person not racist because he had never said he hates them, wants them dead. (example)

Asking why black people run fast.

Asking why whites can swim fast

Ask why chinese so good at kung fu.

I hate malcom x<<<<<<<<<<< People would definately say 'omg thats racist' but yet the person never said anything about race.

Saying a certain african descent woman is ugly (Thats a opinion)

white dude killing a bunch dark skinned zombies in AFRICA.


So this game has nothing racist in it.

[Armagon917]

People these days are so scared of talking about race.



The word racist has no meaning anymore than DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT IT'S RACIST, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.


To me a white woman beating a black woman in the Sony poster, makes me think well the white woman kicks ass.


To me this game makes me think well the european looking man can kick zombie with dark skin ass.

What People can find racist but isn't:

If George Bush had ever said he doesn't care about black people that would make him a bad person not racist because he had never said he hates them, wants them dead. (example)

Asking why black people run fast.

Asking why whites can swim fast

Ask why chinese so good at kung fu.

I hate malcom x<<<<<<<<<<< People would definately say 'omg thats racist' but yet the person never said anything about race.

Saying a certain african descent woman is ugly (Thats a opinion)

white dude killing a bunch dark skinned zombies in AFRICA.


So this game has nothing racist in it.


Well said. Thats exactly what I saw in the trailer. Race never entered my mind. I know you just used Bush as an example but he has put black people in offices of great power. Just sayin. I like Rice and never thought oh a black woman secretary of state. I was just happy... whoo she'll do a good job there. I don't want this to turn into a political debate so that was just an example.

Race seriously never enters my mind and I live in Houston. The only time it enters my mind is when someone uses it as an excuse or a way to promote an agenda typically. Me and my friend Nate who is black actually call each other racial things nothing extremely bad making fun of each other. haha We are just so far beyond petty lines drawn by race that we don't care. Its usually when we've had a lot to drink. :lol: I think real racism is dying fast, although it still exhists I'm happy to see that it is going away.

So those who are looking for racism are holding us back I think. Just my opinion. Nate said "who cares what color they are, they're ****ing zombies." when I asked him what he thought.

[Selentic]

Tbh, Im really sick of black people who cry racism every time something doesnt go their way.

Im getting sick of seeing race as an exuse allowing all these people to get off the hook for things they do and say.

But then, this is what happens when the world tries to be politically correct http://modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/extra/downsgun.gif

[BlackCheetah]

Tbh, Im really sick of black people who cry racism every time something doesnt go their way.

Im getting sick of seeing race as an exuse allowing all these people to get off the hook for things they do and say.

But then, this is what happens when the world tries to be politically correct http://modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/extra/downsgun.gif

This is not racist. 'Black People who cry racism' notice he didnt say ALL but to those who 'cry'

no put downs, no generalisation, no hate, no despise.

So the man in game can be the same

'I am really tired of black zombies biting me'

[Continuum]

Oh sweet Jesus. I think I know what's happening.

Guys, look up, I dunno, the internet or something. Look up "racism". Racism is a thing, an action, something, that's based on the idea that one race is superior to another.

Now, rig it up the concern at hand. Nothing in the trailer is built around the idea that one race is superior to another. I've been saying that since page 1 yet you guys seem to think I haven't.

Yeah, as it turns out, you do need to carefully consider the facts before blatantly labeling something racist (which, again, I've been defending the game from accusations). There's nothing vague about my posts, but it does ultimately use a definition of racism, not that weird "if it gives the sensation of racism, then it's racist" that I'm guessing a lot of you guys are going with.

Hope that helps.

So someone with an attitude that they are superior in some way is a wrong?

Thanks buddy!

[Unreality]

Unless the guy in the game is gonna shout

racial slurs while killing ze zombies i see no offence

hmm

but theyre zombies anyway so would it matter ?

[Big-Al]

Unless the guy in the game is gonna shout

racial slurs while killing ze zombies i see no offence

hmm

but theyre zombies anyway so would it matter ?

not like the zombies are going to understand. :)