AAAAAARGH Windows!

[Sjosz]

Imagine at least 1 curseword every 2 regular words in the following.

I completely freaked out earlier this evening. I come home from a day at work and five-a-side practice and I turn on my PC while I go freshen up and get myself some food. I get back to my chair, log in as usual (on the one and ONLY account on this machine) and what happens, it loads up but my entire desktop, documents, shortcuts, custom levels I was working on (!) and windows settings have been reset as if I'm starting up Vista for the first time. All the applications (including one I'd installed yesterday) were there, but all my documents, including all the photos I've taken the past year were nowhere to be found. I freaked, checked if I was logged into my own profile and everything, couldn't figure it out...
Then Slainchild (who'd heard my cursing maybe) found that for some bizarre reason beyond me it had chosen to log in on a temp folder within my profile, which somehow disabled all my settings.
When I logged out and logged back in, it was all back to normal.

THANKS WINDOWS FOR ALMOST GIVING ME A HEART ATTACK.:mad:

[Sirius]

Ah, Vista...

Glad every thing's back to normal and you didn't permanently loose all of your stuff.

[evilmrfrank]

lol.... At least you got your stuff back or this wouldn't have been a funny story :P

[ambershee]

I recently started using Debian.

Screw Vista. We had it make that exact ****up at work too, but we have dual boot systems, so it wasn't quite the same panic.

[Rambowjo]

One of my friends had about 10gB of porn stored on his XP installation, and it suddenly disappeared from one day to the other. It was nowhere to be found :p

[Azura]

One of my friends had about 10gB of porn stored on his XP installation, and it suddenly disappeared from one day to the other. It was nowhere to be found :p

Perhaps it's best if you admit that you did a cut instead of a copy when you connected your drive.

[Rambowjo]

Dunno, it happened to him before I met him.

[Daedalus]

Strange, that hasn't happened to me on Vista and I've been using it for close to a year now.

[Jackal]

One of my friends had about 10gB of porn stored on his XP installation, and it suddenly disappeared from one day to the other. It was nowhere to be found :p

Same. I had 10gb of music go AFHD :( I don't know where it's at, where it went off to either :(

[rex]

Vista... Well it says it all.

[theabyss]

Backup Baby!
Always have a backup!

Without my external HD and my numerous
DVD and CD Backups Windows would have given
me heartattacks^2. It would be a pain for me
to loose all my photos + documents I created
over the last couple of months. Therfore:

Backup Baby!
Always have a backup!
:D

[GotBeer?]

That reminds me: I need to back up the last 2 months worth of photos. If I lost my girl's 3rd birthday photos, The Wife would kill me.

[Azura]

Dunno, it happened to him before I met him.

So you're able to travel back in time. I have some work for you.

[toniglandyl]

That reminds me: I need to back up the last 2 months worth of photos. If I lost my girl's 3rd birthday photos, The Wife would kill me.

don't you have a photo album ? those are waay cool. (I have 4 or 5 HUGE photo albums and every time I see them it's hard to not look back at them :3)

[-Jes-]

Vista... Well it says it all.
2 out of 4 laptop-using friends of mine, who all got theirs with Vista pre-installed, have reverted to XP.

One of the two last is begging for a WinXP cd, and the last plays.. popcap games.. and uses Excel... Tops.

[GotBeer?]

don't you have a photo album ? those are waay cool. (I have 4 or 5 HUGE photo albums and every time I see them it's hard to not look back at them :3)You mean an actual, physical photo album with pages? Not since we got a digital camera. So we've got about 6-7 yrs worth of pictures on the harddrive and various CDs, and a backup of (most of) the CDs on DVD. We do print the occasional picture for family or whatever, but that's about it. We need to start actually using that snapfish account with the 25 free prints we stilll haven't taken advantage of, I suppose.

[Hadmar]

We had that a couple of times at work and we don't have Vista. I think it was on the W2k PCs but I'm not 100% sure if XP was affected too. It usually happened after Windows updates where installed. The difference is though that there was no temp profile used but a new one was created. It's fun fixing a value in the registry to make Windows use the correct profile again.

[Synastren]

So you're able to travel back in time. I have some work for you.

Sarah Connor?

[Big-Al]

Sarah Connor?

knock her up or kill her?

[Synastren]

Both? :confused:

[JaFO]

Backup Baby!
Always have a backup!

Without my external HD and my numerous
DVD and CD Backups Windows would have given
me heartattacks^2. It would be a pain for me
to loose all my photos + documents I created
over the last couple of months. Therfore:

Backup Baby!
Always have a backup!
:D
But also make sure that the backup actually works ...
You don't want to begin to imagine a heartattack you get when you discover that they aren't available even though the system supposedly runs 'ok' ...

(and that was a backup containing sources and financial data for a company instead of a few photoalbums ... )

[Capt.Toilet]

Another reason why Vista sucks?

[Airmoran]

Sounds like the kind of thing that could happen in any OS. The real lesson here is spend 50-60 bucks on a cheap external HD and start backing up your stuff. Since Vista's backup utility is a lil' inflexible, check out SyncToy (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=c26efa36-98e0-4ee9-a7c5-98d0592d8c52&displaylang=en) instead.

knock her up or kill her?Both? :confused:

But not in that order amirite?

[Jackal]

no we have diiferent scheleusds

[Twisted Metal]

I wonder how many of you who bash Vista have actually used it for an extended period of time. It's far from a bad OS. It's just not in it's prime yet like XP is. Happens with every new MS OS. People bash it until it matures and becomes the norm.

But I'll tell you that both Vista 32 bit on my old system and now Vista 64 bit SP1 on my new system have been treating me great. Rock solid stability, a much improved UI, and good performance. It might not be as fast as XP in terms of gaming but it's A LOT faster in terms of application loading thanks to Superfetch. Some of the new features are really nice and make life a little bit easier (LOVE the new search).

I really don't see myself ever going back to XP.

[rex]

There are a few things I disagree with you on that one. I haven't used it for a longer period no and thank god for that. Before SP1 there was huge amount of suck in file transfer/copy which I use very very much. It is said to be better on SP1 but I just don't care.
The search function might "seem all cool" and that, but frankly it can go suck a dead dogs titties I have no use for it.
I have an nvidia gfx and funnily enough they seem to create large amount of problems on Vista, along with alot of other stuff, hence vista can still go **** itself. I like the stability and compability I get with XP.
User interface you say? Why would I have a need for aero which uses hell of a lot of resources, look ugly and just be ridicilous.
As you said it's not in its "prime" it never will. Even MS has told that it wasn't completely ready for launch when they did launch it and even said they weren't "happy" with it. Frankly I think the same.
Either way I have no use for it.

[ambershee]

I wonder how many of you who bash Vista have actually used it for an extended period of time. It's far from a bad OS. It's just not in it's prime yet like XP is. Happens with every new MS OS. People bash it until it matures and becomes the norm.

But I'll tell you that both Vista 32 bit on my old system and now Vista 64 bit SP1 on my new system have been treating me great. Rock solid stability, a much improved UI, and good performance. It might not be as fast as XP in terms of gaming but it's A LOT faster in terms of application loading thanks to Superfetch. Some of the new features are really nice and make life a little bit easier (LOVE the new search).

I really don't see myself ever going back to XP.

One of my machines is running Vista 32 Home, has been for months, and I despise it with a passion. I'm stuck with it until I can go up north and find where that blasted XP disk has gotten to. Permissions are a pain in the arse and can't be avoided (do I really need to go through so many windows just to create a blank text file in the program files directory? Notepad++ has issues? UnrealEd gives me endless stupid xml warnings?), the file manager navigation sucks balls and there isn't a decent free file manager alternative for Vista yet, the search functions just plain don't work properly - I can't find files sometimes that I know exist, and I've not figured out why, and I can't search the contents of files at all, which is a joke.

[haslo]

I wonder how many of you who bash Vista have actually used it for an extended period of time. It's far from a bad OS. It's just not in it's prime yet like XP is. Happens with every new MS OS. People bash it until it matures and becomes the norm.

Considering that MS already is rumoured to have the next OS at the ready next year, I think Vista will be more like the second iteration of Windows ME than another Windows XP. In other words, it'll never truly catch on, but be an important stepstone for Microsoft while preparing the next OS that does catch on, eventually.

Just a thought of course.

And I am using and administrating Vista myself at work nearly since release, so I do know that and how it got better since.

[Big-Al]

vista is best for people who don't have a clue what they are up to. people who know what they expect from an OS are better off with something that is similar to windows 2000... XP being closer than vista currently is.

[[VaLkyR]Anubis]

Glad to hear it works normal again.I never got a error like this,always somwething new.:)

As like abyss said,try to make backups,that is a much better option.;)

[Wulff]

You know, I've yet to have a problem like this for Windows XP, well apart from a troublesome upgrade from Win XP Home(pre-installed boo) to Win XP Pro, still nothing lost though.

[Twisted Metal]

There are a few things I disagree with you on that one.

Aero is not a resource hog... Far from it (see article below). Looks are subjective, but I'm wondering how exactly it looks ugly? It's much slicker than the HUUUGE retard friendly task bar of Windows XP and the big blue title bars. But maybe you like the standard gray Windows theme, and that's fine. But in my eyes, that is really dull and outdated.

(Aero Resource Usage: http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1871)

Permissions are a pain in the arse and can't be avoided

What? UAC is easily disabled through control panel. No more warnings after that. And how does file navigation suck? So they replaced the "up" button with a more powerful feature that allows you to get to any parent folder within one click. That's even better! Sure you have to adjust a bit (your eyes are used to seeing that "up" icon), but it shouldn't take more than a few navigations to become used to it.

Considering that MS already is rumoured to have the next OS at the ready next year, I think Vista will be more like the second iteration of Windows ME than another Windows XP.


That's pretty funny, when I search google for "windows 7 release date," I get "sometime in 2010" as the most common answer, and a Windows client spokesperson quoting "Microsoft is scoping Windows ‘7’ development to a three-year timeframe, and then the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar." So "sometime in 2010" is assuming everything goes according to plan, which in modern software development is never the case... So I think a better prediction would be late 2010, early 2011. Wasn't Vista itself delayed for a while?

(Source: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=592)

vista is best for people who don't have a clue what they are up to.

Not to sound like an elitist because I'm about the most modest person you will meet, but I'm a senior Comp Sci student and I have been using computers since the 486 was the hottest thing on the market, so I think I know "what I'm up to" by now.


_______________________________________________________________



I want to take this time to mention one of the best features about Vista. The Desktop/UI/Aero is hardware accelerated! This means that Windows, for the first time EVER, has desktop Vsync support. Meaning that, when you drag windows across the screen or do anything else involving motion on the screen, you will not get the ugly screen tearing that you get with any other iteration of Windows. This has been one of my complaints since Windows 98, and with Vista the issue is finally resolved!

You may think that I'm nitpicking when I complain about screen tearing, but for some reason I'm very perceptive to it and it just bothers me when moving images look like they are being "chopped up" for lack of a better phrase.

[Sjosz]

I don't have any problems with Vista itself. I had to do a bit of searching and tweaking to make it less resource expensive (the continuous automatic HD indexing is quite taxing at more than 1 TB worth of internal HDs for instance) but now Vista runs just fine. It has crashed applications a lot less than XP for me and the little navigation options make it better to use IMO.
The only thing I hate is that Windows decided to sign me into a sub-account within a temp folder making most my stuff invisible through 'regular' navigation without telling me it had done so (though it certainly is keen on telling me lots of things that I don't really care to know). I guess that would happen to many a person who's never seen something like that.

[Twisted Metal]

I had to do a bit of searching and tweaking to make it less resource expensive

Yup, same here. I disabled UAC, indexing, system restore, and a WHOLE LOT of services that I didn't need running in the background.

[Sjosz]

Yup, same here. I disabled UAC, indexing, system restore, and a WHOLE LOT of services that I didn't need running in the background.

Yeah, I couldn't believe how much I had to turn off:lol:

[JaFO]

...
I want to take this time to mention one of the best features about Vista. The Desktop/UI/Aero is hardware accelerated! ... with Vista the issue is finally resolved!

That feature is most effective if you're using programs written in .Net and using the 'Windows Presentation Foundation'-API.
Anything else uses 'classic' windows-style can't be accelerated as much as the system could.
That may also explain the 'tearing' you're seeing in (some) applications ...

// ---

[Airmoran]

Permissions are a pain in the arse and can't be avoided (do I really need to go through so many windows just to create a blank text file in the program files directory?
Like TM said, UAC can be disabled, but alternatively you can fine tune when and how UAC kicks in. Just check your permissions and allow all users to read/write to whatever you don't want protected.

Notepad++ has issues? UnrealEd gives me endless stupid xml warnings?),
My guess is that you need to run these applications as an administrator. Do that via right-clicking, or you can alternatively just disable UAC.

the file manager navigation sucks balls and there isn't a decent free file manager alternative for Vista yet,
I'm loving the new explorer. There is a learning curve, but Vista's explorer it is more powerful, flexible, and, most importantly, faster, compared to ol' XP. Vista's interface isn't XP's interface. You need to re-learn it. Get a better feel of what does what. Afterwards, you'll probably appreciate the tiny improvements here and there.

the search functions just plain don't work properly - I can't find files sometimes that I know exist, and I've not figured out why, and I can't search the contents of files at all, which is a joke.
Sounds like you enabled indexing and forgot to index the locations you're searching in. Vista warns you of this when you're enabling the feature. Just disable indexing and things will return to what you're used to. The same thing can happen in XP, btw.

Anyways, no OS is free of a learning curve. Vista's... a little steeper than usual, but you might find that once you get past that hump, a lot of these hassles are really just new features you merely haven't figured out yet.

[Big-Al]

Not to sound like an elitist because I'm about the most modest person you will meet, but I'm a senior Comp Sci student and I have been using computers since the 486 was the hottest thing on the market, so I think I know "what I'm up to" by now.


don't you miss the old days when the pc did what you wanted instead of what it wants?

hey vistas got some nice stuff in it, and i've seen some good changes in it since SP1...but still, come on, it's like automatic vs standard!!!

[-Jes-]

-SNIP about Areo not being a hog-
(Aero Resource Usage: http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1871)Nice use of "my machine does this" number BLOG source, without screenshot, thorough gauge tests or even a friggin' comparison chart.
I can whip up the same amount of "proof" claiming Areo eats performance in 10 minutes by borrowing my cousin's laptop.

Also, it's called WindowBlinds, and it's been proven to only add a 5mb of backend memory use REGARDLESS of skin, hardware, usage.

FAIL!

- and I have been using computers since the 486 was the hottest thing on the market, so I think I know "what I'm up to" by now.That still makes you a kid in my book. :o

How's about you get a 286? How about a Monochrome monitor? Or an Atari, perhaps?
So yeah, you DO sound like an elitist ass... Especially when you fail trying to be one.

Gotta love how people need to make up fake "facts" in a vague attempt to justify their wasting of money.

With Windows Vista Basic, the experience doesn’t have a lot of flash, but it’s clearly different and arguably more attractive than Windows XP.

Right.. Keep telling yourself that. I'll just pretend-ignore every single friend I have IRL who complains about the "in your face" ugliness that is Vista.
And this from a man who will argue that you're cheap if you don't spend 25$ JUST to get juice for running Areo.

"And that’s for a well-built business PC, not a corner-cutting consumer box.".. Yeah, except it's smaller than my cousin's laptop which dies when Areo gets going. Good show there, Mr. Smrt.

[Twisted Metal]

That still makes you a kid in my book. :o

How's about you get a 286? How about a Monochrome monitor? Or an Atari, perhaps?
So yeah, you DO sound like an elitist ass... Especially when you fail trying to be one.

I sound like an elitist ass? Have you read your post? Dear god man. :eek:

And I'm sure you look like a kid to anyone who grew up during the time when computers were mechanical and took up whole entire rooms. Who cares? I was replying directly to Big-Al's comment that anyone who uses Vista "doesn't know what they're doing." I had to give a counter argument to that, because I do in fact know what I'm doing. I simply needed to prove to him that I'm not a novice computer user who chose Vista because the salesperson at Staples talked me into it. :rolleyes:

[ZenPirate]

Play nice kids.

[-Jes-]

because I do in fact know what I'm doing.Not really, you TRY to look like you know what you're doing.
Of course, that's what most of the internet's inhabitants spend most of it's time on, but your case is extraordinary.

As for me apparently sounding like an elitist ass.. Why should I care? I'm trying to prove a point here, you know, using REAL arguments.. But I digress.




All smacktalk aside, using your self-graded computer experience and a BLOG that uses a sales price pulled from Dell along with a slogan as "evidence" of the blog's own claims of "OS Superiority" isn't going to lead you down that hallowed "True Fact Street".

[Airmoran]

So yeah, you DO sound like an elitist ass... Especially when you fail trying to be one.
Wait, I'm completely confused here. You agree he isn't an elitist ass, which in effect means you didn't get the impression that he's an elitist ass, basically means he isn't coming off as an an elitist ass, which basically means he can't sound like an elitist ass or else you wouldn't say he failed at being elitist, which means... arrg! Oh wait. Oooh, I get it now.

I love it when you sound like a puppy-drowning, hobo raping nazi pedophile, especially when you fail trying to be one. Am I doing it right?

As for me apparently sounding like an elitist ass.. Why should I care? I'm trying to prove a point here, you know, using REAL arguments.. But I digress.
...you're using opinion, including dismissing Vista's interface as ugly. These are not facts. These are not "real" arguments. These are merely opinions. Claiming you have the invisible support from an invisible base doesn't somehow elevate your opinions into facts. Bringing up your cousin's experiences is hardly a "real" argument here. How do we know your cousin isn't the one who's screwing up? And what makes your friends so... authoritative?

Incidentally, the "OS superiority" bit is all in your head. Twisted Metal is voicing his support for Vista. He believes it is a strong, solid operating system. He is not trying to claim that Vista is the most ultimate OS ever.

Anyways, onto the "Vista is a memory hog" note. It's certainly true to an extent, but I believe there's a lot of misconception due to Vista's Superfetch feature and Vista's caching in general. Whereas previous Windows are generally conservative when it comes to touching available memory, Vista is very aggressive with Superfetch and will cache stuff Vista thinks you'll use in the future. If you're running low on memory, Vista gladly frees up memory for needy applications and repopulates the cache when resources are available again. Disabling Superfetch should free up hundreds of megabytes of RAM depending on your system. Of course, disabling Superfetch would theoretically make your computer perform worse, but hey, the option's yours.

[-Jes-]

I love it when you sound like a puppy-drowning, hobo raping nazi pedophile, especially when you fail trying to be one. Am I doing it right?

UR DOIN IT RONG!

I stated he DID act like an elitist - a BAD one at that - because that sentence just reeks of it.

Him not sounding like an elitist? Oh, then this little line right here:
Not to sound like an elitist because I'm about the most modest person you will meet, but I'm a -
Is all for nothing, right? Right?


...you're using opinion, including dismissing Vista's interface as ugly. These are not facts. These are not "real" arguments.At least I point to a base I can take real samples from (you know, TEST and put forth screenshots, video, stuff like that - Not that I WANT to, because I hate working with that POS that is my cousin's laptop), as opposed to putting all my eggs into a blog that's visibly skewering for diggs. I at least TRY to provide a little believable backing because mine at least exists in reality, as opposed to Captain Gullible over there...

One's verbal shoulder patting, the other's frustration from WORKING WITH THE DAMN THING.

You tell me who's pandering more to Opinion over Experience here...

[MonsOlympus]

I sound like an elitist ass? Have you read your post? Dear god man. :eek:

And I'm sure you look like a kid to anyone who grew up during the time when computers were mechanical and took up whole entire rooms. Who cares? I was replying directly to Big-Al's comment that anyone who uses Vista "doesn't know what they're doing." I had to give a counter argument to that, because I do in fact know what I'm doing. I simply needed to prove to him that I'm not a novice computer user who chose Vista because the salesperson at Staples talked me into it. :rolleyes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/7desktop.png

[Twisted Metal]

... COMMON SENSE AND REASONING ...

I love you. :D

[Plumb_Drumb]

Also, it's called WindowBlinds, and it's been proven to only add a 5mb of backend memory use REGARDLESS of skin, hardware, usage.


WindowBlinds kicks ass.
Of course it's only worth it if you fork out for the full version.

[Big-Al]

And I'm sure you look like a kid to anyone who grew up during the time when computers were mechanical and took up whole entire rooms. Who cares? I was replying directly to Big-Al's comment that anyone who uses Vista "doesn't know what they're doing." I had to give a counter argument to that, because I do in fact know what I'm doing. I simply needed to prove to him that I'm not a novice computer user who chose Vista because the salesperson at Staples talked me into it. :rolleyes:

actually i was saying that Vista is the best choice for people who don't know what they are doing. Most people are complaining about it still because they expect certain things from a windows environment but vista gets in their way.

(and i had a 286 :lol: with a 512kb hard drive :p)

[JaFO]

People who don't know what the f they're doing should not be allowed to buy or own a computer to begin with.(period)
Giving them a pc with Vista would make matters worse as that OS practically teaches you to say 'yes' to anything regardless of what the question is.
That's not security ... that's an illusion of security.

[-Jes-]

People who don't know what the f they're doing should not be allowed to buy or own a computer to begin with.(period)
Giving them a pc with Vista would make matters worse as that OS practically teaches you to say 'yes' to anything regardless of what the question is.
That's not security ... that's an illusion of security.Agreed.

Hell, the steps of "Yes" required to copy/replace a folder from one pc to another is ridiculous, and it gets worse when you have to cross out "do this for all folders/do this for all files" EVERY DAMN TIME you do it...

[Airmoran]

I stated he DID act like an elitist - a BAD one at that - because that sentence just reeks of it.
Dude, don't whine to me about it. You're the one who accused him of elitism and then promptly contradicted yourself in under a sentence.

But what you’re doing is pretty common, if you ever watch any talks on CSPAN. Some dude will accuse the other guy of being a liberal/bigot/etc, immediately call him to be a “poor example of one”, and then make continue on while treating the other guy as a classic example of a liberal/bigot/etc.

The idea here is that anyone is, at worst, a poor example of a given label, so the audience is willing to buy the accusation. But once I have labeled you as such, I will ignore how well you fit within the label. After all, a racist is a racist, right? It’s an attempt at compartmentalizing the other guy into a single negative label.

You’re doing precisely that, whether you actively realize it or not. TM said “I have a lot of experience”, not “I have more experience than you and thus I’m more right”. Hell, from his credentials, I’d say he’s right. I have a tough time imagining a CS student with a long history of computer experience to be anything but experienced.

You, on the other hand, are twisting his words to mean “I have more experience than you and thus I’m more right than you.” You try to portray him as an elitist by suggesting that he would’ve strengthened his argument by bringing up a 286 or an Atari. It wouldn’t. It wouldn’t change the fact that he’s simply stating that he does know how to use a computer. Your attempts to portray him as an elitist is… sick.

Anyways, I'll (along with most rational people) go ahead and take numbers over "My buddies agree with me so I'm right". Numbers are extremely fuzzy and easily manipulated, but still somehow better. You’re not “a little believable”. I don’t know or care what your friends think. To me, they’re invisible. They could say that Vista is horrid or the sun's a conspiracy theory. To make matters worse, you claim these opinions to be somehow factual. That's perhaps the polar opposite of believable. And oh, generally speaking, people don't want to be "a little believable". They want to be "completely believable". Way to set the bar for yourself.

People who don't know what the f they're doing should not be allowed to buy or own a computer to begin with.(period)
Ya know, for all the accusations of elitism going on, I think this one takes the cake. Bravo.

Giving them a pc with Vista would make matters worse as that OS practically teaches you to say 'yes' to anything regardless of what the question is.
That's not security ... that's an illusion of security.
Keep in mind most applications are run without administrator access and you won't see that UAC prompt for such applications. File virtualization mimics sensitive directories are under another, user-specific, directory. This allows programs to be run without writing to important directories, thus guarding against, for example, viruses that write to your windows directory. Theoretically, the “allow access” thing should only be used to bypass this system for applications and commands that *need* access to something that can’t be virtualized. UAC isn’t comprised of only prompts, you know. If that were the case, then it’d be… well, it'd be nothing more than an illusion of security.

Again, disable UAC if it’s such a hassle. It’s enabled by default ‘cause security is placed on high priority this time around. There’s nothing that says “use UAC or you’re not using Vista”.

Anyways, a lot of detractors seem to be basing their criticism on some serious misconceptions. Again, Vista’s far from perfect. But man, at least know what the hell you’re saying.

[JaFO]

I've seen the prompt at every update/setup-program I've run (Firefox updates trigger it).

But since you can disable it the protection it is supposed to offer is eliminated as well.

Everything else also assumes you're dealing with a 100% Vista-certified program.

Just read the UT3-forums to see that most users are unhappy with a program that follow the rules and restrict themselves to 'user-specific directories'.

Call it elitism if you will, but I have zero faith in programs that treat the user like parents treat a child.
All that results in is what I'd like to call the 'certified virus'.

[MonsOlympus]

Call it elitism if you will, but I have zero faith in programs that treat the user like parents treat a child.

QTF, its even worse when its the whole OS which does it! Now Im not saying vista is any better or worse than other OS' but I was very angry to find out Vista is a noob version of longhorn...

Hence my picture of windows 7, hopefully we'll get technic lego instead of duplo like we have done in the past with MS OS'. I mean is Vista Professional really that professional? I know I use more 3rd party software than MS software to bring my XP up to scratch, why would Vista be any different?

For all the windows vista versions out there I doubt there is one to suit me, just like XP. Which is why I use Nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/) which basically cooks a version of XP exactly how I want it, there is a version for Vista (Vlite (http://www.vlite.net/)) as well so I would suggest to any experienced user to try it out (VMWare might be the go as well). Since using Nlite though windows has become much better for me, I used to spend hours undoing all the crap MS put in place to noobify my experience and safe guard the system against accidental tampering, not to mention all the security flaws which are open the minute you install with a non patched version of windows.

Things should get better and worse for vista, people will find loop holes in the security but service packs will fix it. I'll just keep rollin up my own version of windows no matter what, I just hope to be doing that with windows 7 before I need to move to vista :p Heres to hoping MS is aiming for an intelligent OS for intelligent people, instead of catering to the less experienced people.

[ambershee]

Hah, Windows 7 will be worse. Korean MMO financial model.

[MonsOlympus]

Ummz Korean MMO financial model? You'll have to forgive me, I dont do MMO's and Ive never been to korea.

Honestly I dont think MS can afford to go worse than Vista with Windows 7, no matter what financial model they choose.

[Airmoran]

I've seen the prompt at every update/setup-program I've run (Firefox updates trigger it).

But since you can disable it the protection it is supposed to offer is eliminated as well.
...and if your Firefox updater is compromised, than UAC wouldn't do anything to protect your system.

However, I'm guessing you *don't* run Firefox normally in admin mode. During these times UAC would be able to defend against, for example, malicious code inserted into websites.

UAC is a working security (not the "illusion of security" as you falsely claimed). It isn't the ultimate in computing security that defeats every attack known to man.

Everything else also assumes you're dealing with a 100% Vista-certified program.
Err, no I didn't. Many programs require administrator access to function properly. For these programs you do need to allow, well, administrator access. I'm not sure where this Vista certification claim is coming from.

Call it elitism if you will, but I have zero faith in programs that treat the user like parents treat a child.
All that results in is what I'd like to call the 'certified virus'.
I'd call it "I don't do my research before passing judgment in the form of loose analogies", but hey, go for it.

[-Jes-]

Dude, don't whine to me about it. You're the one who accused him of elitism and then promptly contradicted yourself in under a sentence.If you had bothered to read my initial reply to his elitism bull****, then you MIGHT have figured out that I never did contradict myself.

Do I care about his career?
No, but I do find him backing his legitimacy on the subject through him knowing what a 486 is (which TRULY is a poor choice for the elitism showoff that was the rest of that sentence. This forum doesn't consist of kids alone, you know) to be VERY poor..

But of course, blatant ignorance and illiteracy is the popular thing these days..
Nowhere have I challenged his studying in Computer Science. Where you aparently got that into your miniscule intellect, I don't want to know.

However, to simply claim that - on the basis of him "being oldschool and a CS student" and a link to a blog that SHOWS NO NUMBERS OR VISIBLY REPRODUCABLE FACTS - he knows better than many people out there who have to work with Vista on a daily basis and STILL find it inferior to XP.. That's not trying to be right per knowledge. That's trying to be right per ego!

THAT is the part of his opinion that I have challenged.


And as for knowing what you're talking about... Right back at you.

[Steyr]

You mean an actual, physical photo album with pages? Not since we got a digital camera. So we've got about 6-7 yrs worth of pictures on the harddrive and various CDs, and a backup of (most of) the CDs on DVD. We do print the occasional picture for family or whatever, but that's about it. We need to start actually using that snapfish account with the 25 free prints we stilll haven't taken advantage of, I suppose.

Wal Mart can make prints out of digital photos, you know. They've got these machines with built in memory card readers and everything. Not like uber-high quality, but perfectly acceptable for a family photo album.

[Twisted Metal]

No, but I do find him backing his legitimacy on the subject through him knowing what a 486 is (which TRULY is a poor choice for the elitism showoff that was the rest of that sentence.


What is your problem? I clearly wrote that I was NOT trying to be elitist, because on a forum it is indeed hard to write about your experience without sounding show-offish. If you knew me in real life you would realize just how modest I really am. But instead you take one quote and try to turn me into an a**hole that I'm not.

[Big-Al]

What is your problem? I clearly wrote that I was NOT trying to be elitist, because on a forum it is indeed hard to write about your experience without sounding show-offish. If you knew me in real life you would realize just how modest I really am. But instead you take one quote and try to turn me into an a**hole that I'm not.

oh come on, we know you're a nice a**hole, we don't mind :p :)

so anyone here going to try out that version of windows 7 that was leaked?

[Jrubzjeknf]

How the heck did this turn into a vista vs xp fight? :con: Seriously, this forum needs some guidelines about sticking to the topic.

Anyway, gj you got your stuff back m8. :) I might try vista again sooner or later, when I have a nice upgrade. :D

[Airmoran]

he knows better than many people out there who have to work with Vista on a daily basis and STILL find it inferior to XP.
Dude, one more time: TM wasn't trying to demonstrate that "he knows better" based on his experience. You're the one who came up with that. Keep reading his post over and over until this fact finally clicks with you.

...And I didn't claim that you are challenging TM's CS studies, so you came up with that, too.

[MonsOlympus]

so anyone here going to try out that version of windows 7 that was leaked?

Apparently its an update for vista with milestone 1 or something :p

I think it'll get interesting around milestone3 myself :cool: