View Full Version : GTAIV thread anyone?
Munchables
16th Apr 2008, 02:01 AM
Isn't anyone here hyped for it!? Or even preordered for it......?
Angel_Mapper
16th Apr 2008, 02:06 AM
I really don't get the point of preordering these days. But yes, I'm excited about it. :D
Latent Image
16th Apr 2008, 02:15 AM
I preorded UT3 CE :)
Yeah it looks ok, I want to play assassins creed!
dragonfliet
16th Apr 2008, 02:16 AM
I refuse to preorder. EBGames seems to hate people who want to buy videogames, but Target doesn't and will be stocked nicely. I'm pretty excited. I've always enjoyed the GTA games since 2 and this one actually looks good to boot.
~Jason
Big-Al
16th Apr 2008, 02:17 AM
..i'll be hyped by the time the pc version is available...till then, i've got other stuff to play.
Larkin
16th Apr 2008, 02:20 AM
I swear we had a GTAIV thread about a month ago. I can't seem to find it though. Anyway...
To answer your question, no I'm not looking forward to it. Maybe I am the only one but driving games bore me these days. Drive here, drive there, blah. Storyline is stupid, characters seem fake and almost all the missions annoy me in way or another. I have to admit I bought all the others even those story ones(vice/liberty) and well I am personally sick of it. Its all seen it, done it. I will probably rent it though. Graphics actually look like crap, btw. I'm not a graphic guy but still those shots I saw look last gen.
dotnetbeast
16th Apr 2008, 02:34 AM
..i'll be hyped by the time the pc version is available...till then, i've got other stuff to play.
QFT
Munchables
16th Apr 2008, 02:41 AM
hmmmm, looks like no one has seen the latest updates in the game.
( just off the top of my head)
-Rockstar will make around $400 million within a week of release
-There is so much detail in this game..... it's unbelievable e.g walking down a street in the city, people will be doing people things like smoking, cleaning windows, drinking coffee etc.
-YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PHONE, you recieve messages or (sms messages from other players online, or when in single player; calls and text messages from character, you choose the positive or negative response to them, making them like you more or less affecting the game. You can even get RINGTONES for your phone.... RINGTONES!!!!!
-You can get mugged if you're on the streets, and you could call an ambulance or police car to help you, ( you can even prank call them and steal take their police cabs.)
-You can take public transport e.g taxi's, trains to get to places ALOT faster.
-Theres a new cover and blind firing combat system
- Online up to 16 players, with plenty of game modes that are super fun. (also racing online if you're into that)
- very realistic car controlling
I don't know if people around here know this stuff, just felt like posting it cos im a bit too excited XD
Slainchild
16th Apr 2008, 04:32 AM
http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=176077
:mwink:
Hyping a game before release only leads to disapointment.
So no I'm not hyped. Besides the PC release is at least a year away.
Munchables
16th Apr 2008, 07:39 AM
Why do people want the PC version so bad? It's true that there are NO LOADING times in the 360 and PS3 versions. Well maybe because of mods, but there might be some on xbox live or whatever PS3 uses.
Slainchild
16th Apr 2008, 08:09 AM
Um...
Because they don't have a console.
Because it will probably run smoother on PC.
Because of mouse control.
Because of modding.
Because most PC gamers are whiny bitches.
MonsOlympus
16th Apr 2008, 08:44 AM
- Online up to 16 players, with plenty of game modes that are super fun. (also racing online if you're into that)
WTF, these have got to be rumours. Or is that just gamemodes which are included not coop.
Oh and some people just prefer to play on PC, is that so crazy to understand. I dont think so but hey!
Why do people want the PC version so bad? It's true that there are NO LOADING times in the 360 and PS3 versions. Well maybe because of mods, but there might be some on xbox live or whatever PS3 uses.
Because I don't have a console and I like to use the pc I build a couple of months ago.
Nines
16th Apr 2008, 10:10 AM
I've preordered it. I'm also not the least bit hyped up about it, which will make it even better. :biggrin2:
Twisted Metal
16th Apr 2008, 11:19 AM
I'm more hyped for Mafia 2, because that game actually has a story. :tup:
Slainchild
16th Apr 2008, 11:28 AM
GTA4 has a story too...?
Kantham
16th Apr 2008, 12:39 PM
I refuse to preorder. EBGames seems to hate people who want to buy videogames...
Since EBGames is GameStop, yes, pre-ordering with them was a pain. They didn't charge me the Anthology w/ UT3 CE, but I had to pay extra fee for the shipping as always. Thus making it a total of $80+ can. Screw this, just go to the store and buy it there. Pre-ordering is just silly with GameStop/EBGames.
Not to mention that their service is really poor, they pretty much don't know what to tell to their customers via E-mail and on their site. Too bad the threads got lost in the crash, because I'd be linking a few of them.
Zarniwoop
16th Apr 2008, 01:31 PM
I don't have anything to play it on, so i'm skipping this one.
Jackal
16th Apr 2008, 06:46 PM
I'll be picking it up the day of release! This thread needs a poll though. PS3 or Xbox version.
I want to get the PS3 version becuase it has lower load times, better graphics, mods.
The 360.... well, There are more people here who own a 360 than PS3. And since half of them will play online, I'd want to do that.
Twisted Metal
16th Apr 2008, 07:11 PM
GTA4 has a story too...?
I don't know if you played the original Mafia, but the game was literally like playing through an interactive movie. It had such a good narrative, it sucked you right into the game world and made you feel like you were actually there.
GTA games have never been that deep in terms of story, they were always more about the sandbox gameplay and the endless series of mini games.
I'm not saying that GTA4 won't have a good story, I just think that the creators of Mafia are more focused on the storyline rather than implementing 5 million new features and mini games into their game.
Sine Deviance
16th Apr 2008, 07:14 PM
I am eagerly awaiting GTAIV. If it's half as good as San Andreas was I'll be sold. Unfortunately I don't have any consoles so I'll probably have to wait a year or two for the PC port.
sid
16th Apr 2008, 07:31 PM
I'm more hyped for Mafia 2
Yea, same here. As for GTA4 the day I care is the day when I hear, about the PC version that is.
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
16th Apr 2008, 07:31 PM
I don't know if you played the original Mafia, but the game was literally like playing through an interactive movie. It had such a good narrative, it sucked you right into the game world and made you feel like you were actually there.
Damn straight. Mafia 2 will be such total win.
Mafia was, and still is, one of the top best single player games I've ever had the pleasure of playing through. Profound storytelling, characters you could believe in (superb voice acting w/ a backstory!), outstanding plot development, diverse missions that spared no chance for action.
You actually wanted to watch every minute of the cutscenes in Mafia, amazing stuff.
On the topic of GTA4, I'm really looking forward to it. Not necessarily hyped because anything can become a let down, but I've loved the GTA series since it went 3D more and more. 3 was awesome, Vice City was awesomer, and San Andreas was superawesome numero uno. I still hop in SA now and again to blow off some steam.
The GTA games still lead the pack in the genre of nearly complete open-ended gameplay. I love the scope of the games and freedom of action, which unless Rockstar just comes down with Alzheimer's while making IV, will be represented in all it's glory with further updated graphics.
Those who say it looks "last gen" need to get their panties straightened out, GTA games have always been more about gameplay than looks.
Oh and PC games > console games any day.
Yeah it looks ok, I want to play assassins creed!
Assassin's Creed is terrible. Perfect example of over-hyped, it's all graphics and no gameplay. Mash the same 2 buttons in very repetitive combat situations and there's no true stealth and sneaking aspect like there is in say a Splinter Cell game. Save your money.
MonsOlympus
24th Apr 2008, 03:50 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/grand-theft-auto,5224.html
Seen this earlier while looking for hardware reviews.
Matfei
24th Apr 2008, 04:39 AM
I'm buying it for my little brother ( I owe him a birthday gift after all ) for his PS3.
I'll play it if I get the chance after he's passed out from non-stop gaming, but I'm waiting for the PC version.
Because I don't have a console and I like to use the pc I build a couple of months ago.
Scrap that! I'm getting it on release day for the PS3 :D (I finally bought a PS3 last tuesday!)
Balton
24th Apr 2008, 08:58 AM
bleh, why do developers let us wait so long when clearly warez sites are a hell of a lot faster?
Nines
24th Apr 2008, 09:44 AM
I should be getting it in the mail on monday. :clap:
Munchables
24th Apr 2008, 09:47 AM
Nines, your a lucky one, evryone else has to wait until TUESDAY!!!
Nines
24th Apr 2008, 10:16 AM
Nines, your a lucky one, evryone else has to wait until TUESDAY!!!
I usually get preorders one day earlier, at least where I order from. I'm guessing they send it a bit early to make sure it's delivered in time for release. :p
Slainchild
24th Apr 2008, 10:17 AM
Hope they don't ban you from Live or PSN for playing it before the 29th. :s
MonsOlympus
24th Apr 2008, 10:35 AM
You mean you can use pirated discs and be on live or psn?
Balton
24th Apr 2008, 10:51 AM
You mean you can use pirated discs and be on live or psn?
I know it's possible on Live, but expect to get banned at some point, especially when you play a game that's not out yet.
edit: not that I want to support warezing, I am just angry that the warezkiddies can play gta4 since 3 days while the good customers got to wait.
edit2: damn I am so not acting sober today even though I am... your xbox stores information that is sent to live whenever you go online. So even if a warezkiddie does not go online he can get banned since word got to microsoft that he'S played, e.g., gta4 before release. Nine could be lumped into the warezkiddie that has to be banned category if he goes online too soon.
Slainchild
24th Apr 2008, 10:56 AM
You mean you can use pirated discs and be on live or psn?
He's not getting a pirated copy...
Nines
24th Apr 2008, 11:16 AM
Hope they don't ban you from Live or PSN for playing it before the 29th. :s
I don't have Live. :o
MonsOlympus
24th Apr 2008, 11:18 AM
Ahhh you were replying to him, yeah okay I get that. I dont see why they would ban you for paying for a game no matter when you get it, but who knows in this day and age. Seems kinda sucky to me :p
Slainchild
24th Apr 2008, 11:27 AM
Ahhh you were replying to him, yeah okay I get that. I dont see why they would ban you for paying for a game no matter when you get it, but who knows in this day and age. Seems kinda sucky to me :p
Well yeah, i just remember people being banned for playing Halo 3 early or something.
Kantham
24th Apr 2008, 11:49 AM
I know it's possible on Live, but expect to get banned at some point, especially when you play a game that's not out yet.
Yeah, like that "lucky" guy who grabbed BioShock from Toys R' us like 3 days before the official release date IIRC. Someone surely got fired, and they got sued I think.
Vers Vlees
24th Apr 2008, 12:19 PM
Um...
Because they don't have a console.
Because it will probably run smoother on PC.
Because of mouse control.
Because of modding.
Because most PC gamers are whiny bitches.
I dont know if it will run smoother on the PC? It's still going to be a console port after all. Besides we PC geezers have to wait a year anyway.
ah well atleast This is Vegas can entertain us for a while until GTAIV.
Let's hope they use the year to optimize it for pc and that it won't feel ported. (I'm pretty sure they're gonna nail it, GTA SA also was great :))
shadow_dragon
24th Apr 2008, 01:11 PM
GTA SA was great on the PC.
Essentially though i'm looking forward to GTA4 but as i don't have an Xbox360 or PS3 i can't get it even when it does come out. :S
Hopefully though i might splash out and grab a PS3 and then grab it... even then though i'd still get a PC version.
Trynant
24th Apr 2008, 01:29 PM
Well, I already preordered this game for the 360, I've loved the previous GTA games (since 3 that is, I unfortunately have not played the earlier versions), and this version is only going to get better.
And I could try multiplayer as well and shoot my friends! How politically correct!
Capt.Toilet
24th Apr 2008, 01:33 PM
WTF, these have got to be rumours. Or is that just gamemodes which are included not coop.
Not rumors. Check out IGN as they have a full fledged article on the various modes that can be played. Either way this game is going to be sick
Also someone finally had the balls to post some gameplay footage which can be found here
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/gta%2Biv%2Bgameplay/video/x56kbp_gta-iv-6eme-video-ingame_videogames
Munchables
24th Apr 2008, 10:39 PM
Oh no, not more gameplay footage; I ruined the intro for myself when I couldn't resist clicking on a link to "intro" footage.
Capt.Toilet
24th Apr 2008, 11:13 PM
Oh no, not more gameplay footage; I ruined the intro for myself when I couldn't resist clicking on a link to "intro" footage.
Heh the moment I saw some sort of intro start playing I just randomly hit a location and the video jumped right to it. I then proceeded to watch roughly 5 or so seconds of said footage before jumping to another section. Cuts down on the spoilers that way.
Angel_Mapper
25th Apr 2008, 12:14 AM
Oh crap is it coming out next week? I really have to start paying attention to some things. Or at least write them down somewhere.
Slainchild
25th Apr 2008, 07:31 PM
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-iv/videos/gta4_review_042508.html;jsessionid=johkg2s71lxu
10/10 video review.
TossMonkey
25th Apr 2008, 08:02 PM
Nines, your a lucky one, evryone else has to wait until TUESDAY!!!
I already have it = Benefits of working in a video game store.
Sadly I wont get to play it until tomorrow night. I have l lent it to a friend until I get home from work tomorrow. :p
edit:
Screenshots of proof at hopefully 8pm tomorrow.
Munchables
25th Apr 2008, 08:07 PM
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-iv/videos/gta4_review_042508.html;jsessionid=johkg2s71lxu
10/10 video review.
One of the reasons I'm buying it.
And I'm jelous of all the people who already happen to have it; but I heard if you try to play on xbox live before the 29th, Micrsoft can ban you for playing an unrealeased game. :D
TossMonkey
25th Apr 2008, 08:09 PM
One of the reasons I'm buying it.
And I'm jelous of all the people who already happen to have it; but I heard if you try to play on xbox live before the 29th, Micrsoft can ban you for playing an unrealeased game. :D
Just play offline, it's a big enough game. Still scared? Turn your 360 clock forward and turn it back come tuesday.
Nines
25th Apr 2008, 09:23 PM
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-iv/videos/gta4_review_042508.html;jsessionid=johkg2s71lxu
10/10 video review.
Ok, now I'm hyped. :clap:
Mr. UglyPants
25th Apr 2008, 09:27 PM
I'll get it later when it drops in price. Just like Assassins Creed. Even then, i only ever liked hijacking cars then piling them up to explode em.
Iron Archer
26th Apr 2008, 08:38 AM
I'm predicting that GTAIV on the 360 is going to probably crash Xbox Live similar to what Call of Duty 4 has in the recent past. I've got both systems but I'll probably get it on PS3. I always preferred the ps controls for GTA and I think the graphics will look cleaner w/out the fuzz filter that 360 has on all their games.
this seals the deal though
according to IGN...
"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster."
Jackal
26th Apr 2008, 09:14 AM
Well, I think more fellow BuF'ers are going to get the 360 version (more of us own that than the PS3).
I too would like to have the PS3 version, but I think I'll go for the 360 version if just so I can play with most of you :)
SlayerDragon
26th Apr 2008, 12:58 PM
My panties are soaked in anticipation.
Jackal
26th Apr 2008, 01:09 PM
My panties are soaked in anticipation.
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2189495/2/istockphoto_2189495_panties_coming_off.jpg
I'm ready, are you?
SlayerDragon
26th Apr 2008, 01:14 PM
Oh yeah baby! Let's double team some hookers!
(GR)Killer
26th Apr 2008, 01:44 PM
I got this for 360 a few days ago for my modded 360. My boss got the game 10 days before release from his connections.
Capt.Toilet
26th Apr 2008, 03:04 PM
I'm predicting that GTAIV on the 360 is going to probably crash Xbox Live similar to what Call of Duty 4 has in the recent past. I've got both systems but I'll probably get it on PS3. I always preferred the ps controls for GTA and I think the graphics will look cleaner w/out the fuzz filter that 360 has on all their games.
this seals the deal though
according to IGN...
Ill see you online then good buddy :D
Majik
26th Apr 2008, 03:54 PM
Dispatch estimate: 2 May 2008
Delivery estimate: 8 May 2008 - 14 May 2008
Oh, great. If that holds true I think I'll have to look elsewhere.
Ill see you online then good buddy :D
Hmm, I wonder if the multiplayer is locked into seperate networks for each region or if interregional play is allowed. I certainly hope so, that'd be sweet.
akstylish
26th Apr 2008, 04:03 PM
Fighting scenes kinda remind me of gow....
(GR)Killer
26th Apr 2008, 04:30 PM
Fighting scenes kinda remind me of gow....
I like the dating they put in the game, you can actually do things on it like play pool, darts, watch shows, bowling, etc. Great game IMO. Just about to play it right now. Oh right and you can watch TV and have many stations, and tons of things to watch, not just a few and repeat them. They put tons of detail in the game.
akstylish
26th Apr 2008, 04:34 PM
Ok.
But why did you quote my post? :confused:
Iron Archer
26th Apr 2008, 07:02 PM
Ill see you online then good buddy :D
I just traded in some games and paid for GTA IV on PS3. See you onli... er.. in Liberty City.
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
26th Apr 2008, 07:24 PM
After playing IV on a friends system I'm gonna' have to steal my roomates 360 so I can play this over the summer. This time I know I won't be able to wait for the PC release. For the few hours I got to try it I can already tell this is about the most fun I've ever had in a game. Not to mention it all looks absolutely stunning.
Munchables
27th Apr 2008, 02:42 AM
I just played it too, (for 2 hours...) and really can't wait till the big tuesday; and how aewsome it will look on hdtv. It really does deserve ALL of those 10/10's.
Iron Archer
27th Apr 2008, 03:15 PM
This video of the car wrecking and physics, etc is just awesome
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33311.html
Kantham
27th Apr 2008, 04:11 PM
Oh. Dear.
I just wished for a moment that he didn't got back on his feet after the last motorcycle crash in that video, when right after that I seen the most priceless real time cop action from the entire GTA series. Bravo.
Twisted Metal
27th Apr 2008, 04:39 PM
Oh. Dear.
I just wished for a moment that he didn't got back on his feet after the last motorcycle crash in that video, when right after that I seen the most priceless real time cop action from the entire GTA series. Bravo.
rofl, that was great! I wonder if he still gets up after that.
Iron Archer
27th Apr 2008, 04:43 PM
rofl, that was great! I wonder if he still gets up after that.
when things to black and white is when you die, from what I can tell. Getting hit by the cop car as it skidded sideways, and seeing his body react according, head slamming down on the pavement, was just awesome. Seeing him fly out the vehicle after a head on collision was cool.
Majik
27th Apr 2008, 04:46 PM
This video of the car wrecking and physics, etc is just awesome
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33311.html
Holy crap at the part where Niko goes flying through the windshield! :lol:
Kantham
27th Apr 2008, 04:51 PM
I seriously hope the cops always do the same as I've seen in the video. I'm sick of dumb no-name standing still cops that gets out of their cars to get rammed in a raging number out of nowhere in the city.
It'd be cool to see them get on with the new system "You want cops dead - we really want you dead." Like cops trying to ram you like there's no tomorrow & using other techniques - Less in number, stronger together.
I'll try to rent it, I don't want to buy it before I played it. Looks like the best GTA so far tough.
(GR)Killer
27th Apr 2008, 05:37 PM
Holy crap at the part where Niko goes flying through the windshield! :lol:
Heh, it's fun doing that. I can go as fast as the far would let me and crash into something and he flys far.
SleepyHe4d
27th Apr 2008, 07:14 PM
Gametrailers Review (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33327.html)
Kantham
27th Apr 2008, 10:27 PM
Rofl (http://forums.xbox.com/19965981/ShowPost.aspx)
currently have my spot being held for me by my friend, We have been in line since yesterday and we are taking turns watching the spot while we each shower, eat, etc.
Who is in line like us, and if not, when will you be getting in line?
ambershee
28th Apr 2008, 05:35 AM
It's good. It's very good. But damn all those reviews have been bought.
Slainchild
28th Apr 2008, 09:50 AM
Wish I had preordered this a while ago now. I went into Game at lunchtime today to see if i could reserve a copy, but the guy said they'd stopped taking pre-orders weeks ago. :(
He said If I come in at 7.30 tomorrow morning there would be some non-preorder copies available...
...looks like I'll be getting up early tomorrow. :-)
dub
28th Apr 2008, 09:58 AM
The game has the main advertising spot on Gamespot today (the fullscreen site background - which I hear is quite expensive to rent)... this game needs advertisement!? :p
Kantham
28th Apr 2008, 11:06 AM
I doubt my fav store will get it (No, not EB games) but they said that they usually get the biggest title in faster. I doubt it tough. I'll be getting a copy tomorrow if there's no luck.
Kantham
28th Apr 2008, 01:39 PM
That's right, they have it. However, they won't sell it until tomorrow (release date is 29th) 10:00 AM.
(GR)Killer
28th Apr 2008, 09:39 PM
Is there going to be a PC version? and whan will it be released? all i know of is the consoles release.
Slainchild
28th Apr 2008, 10:28 PM
Went down to Gamestation at midnight to pick up a copy. Awesome stuff so far. :):tup:
The TV shows are great. :lol:
(GR)Killer
28th Apr 2008, 10:32 PM
Went down to Gamestation at midnight to pick up a copy. Awesome stuff so far. :):tup:
The TV shows are great. :lol:
The poker one is good to watch.
Jackal
28th Apr 2008, 11:42 PM
96 copies for the 360 and 68 copies for the PS3 at the local Wal-mart.
Lafnboy
29th Apr 2008, 12:01 AM
Ahhhh I just reserved a copy, gonna pick it up at Best Buy tomorrow!!! Iggy Pop as a DJ on the Classic Rock radio station = WIN!!!
[edit] you guys better start adding my gamertag NOW.
Iron Archer
29th Apr 2008, 12:29 AM
Just picked up my PS3 copy! Time to run amok around the city!
Jackal
29th Apr 2008, 02:17 AM
Got my 360 copy.
I'll probably end up picking up the PS3 version too.
I got the 360 version so I could play with more fellow BuF'ers. :)
dotnetbeast
29th Apr 2008, 02:20 AM
Is there going to be a PC version? and whan will it be released? all i know of is the consoles release.
If its like the others, than maybe months from now. Give u enough time to beef up the comp.
I would buy a copy, but my 360 is on its way to Microsoft.
Jackal
29th Apr 2008, 02:49 AM
They weren't kidding about the amount of detail in the game. From moveable silverwear with it's own physics to watching tv with many (10?) different stations all with something different on and I haven't seen a loop yet.
I actually caught myself watching the tv in the game for around 5 or so mins before I realized that I was watching tv in a game. lol. Then I changed the channel to see a advertisement for a show called "72". Even had the countdown like 24 does (obviously making fun of the tv show 24)
There is quite a bit to do so far, and I haven't even left the apartment :P
The graphics are really good too. Alot better than I thought they would be, especially for a game this large.
(GR)Killer
29th Apr 2008, 03:17 AM
If its like the others, than maybe months from now. Give u enough time to beef up the comp.
I would buy a copy, but my 360 is on its way to Microsoft.
I got mine. :P although like i mentioned before, i'm banned from XBL because i got a modded 360, fine by me i rarely ever went online to begin with and i'll wait for the PC MP version.
I just got an email account in the game, and getting jobs via email, and can surf the web that the internet cafe allows...limited sites, but i found a dating page and i clicked "date" to all 9 or 12 of them.
P.I.M.P.
Angel_Mapper
29th Apr 2008, 03:33 AM
They weren't kidding about the amount of detail in the game. From moveable silverwear with it's own physics to watching tv with many (10?) different stations all with something different on and I haven't seen a loop yet.
I actually caught myself watching the tv in the game for around 5 or so mins before I realized that I was watching tv in a game. lol. Then I changed the channel to see a advertisement for a show called "72". Even had the countdown like 24 does (obviously making fun of the tv show 24)
There is quite a bit to do so far, and I haven't even left the apartment :P
The graphics are really good too. Alot better than I thought they would be, especially for a game this large.Wonderful. There goes any hope of getting any work done for the next couple of weeks.
ambershee
29th Apr 2008, 06:25 AM
I had some guy driving past slowly, ogling a chick on the sidewalk. In doing so, he slowly cruised into another chick crossing the road. He then got out of the car and started apologising furiously, but the girl didn't want to hear it, hehe.
Big-Al
29th Apr 2008, 06:44 AM
oh, are the graphics dx9 or dx10?
MonsOlympus
29th Apr 2008, 06:53 AM
So the question is...
Who's betting this game will sell better than Gears of War or Halo 3?
dub
29th Apr 2008, 06:59 AM
It's projected sales are something like 11 million +, or?
ambershee
29th Apr 2008, 07:00 AM
From a headline I saw this morning, it's projected sales are apparently to put it as one of the biggest selling games of all time. I'm not sure I buy that (previous GTA titles have all sold around 2 million at the most).
I wouldn't be surprised if this one hits the double digits though.
dub
29th Apr 2008, 07:16 AM
From a headline I saw this morning, it's projected sales are apparently to put it as one of the biggest selling games of all time. I'm not sure I buy that (previous GTA titles have all sold around 2 million at the most).
I wouldn't be surprised if this one hits the double digits though.
I doubt that's all they sold.
The GTA series has sold over 65 million altogether. San Andreas alone sold over 20 million units.
I reckon GTA 4 will reach the double digits quite easily and very quick :)
If games like NFS:Carbon hit double figures then GTA will easily :D (even if it's released on fewer platforms)
ambershee
29th Apr 2008, 07:37 AM
I doubt that's all they sold.
The GTA series has sold over 65 million altogether. San Andreas alone sold over 20 million units.
I reckon GTA 4 will reach the double digits quite easily and very quick :)
If games like NFS:Carbon hit double figures then GTA will easily :D (even if it's released on fewer platforms)
I guess that makes an average of around 6 million a title. I can't find figures that high for San Andreas, but looking at it, Vice City has around 18 million, which would make up around a third of all sales :eek:
1. Pokémon Red, Blue, and Green (20.08 million approximately, 10.23 million in Japan, 9.85 million in US)[18]
2. Nintendogs (18.67 million)
3. Super Mario Bros. 3 18 million)
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (17.5 million)
5. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (14.87 million)
6. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (14.77 million)
7. Pokémon Gold and Silver (14.51 million approximately, 7.6 million in US, 6.91 million in Japan)
8. Grand Theft Auto III (14.5 million)
9. New Super Mario Bros. (14.16 million)
10. Super Mario Land (14 million)
11. Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (13 million)
12. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (12.98 million)
13. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)
14. Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (11.82 million)
15. Wii Play (11.51 million)
16. Super Mario 64 (11 million)
17. Gran Turismo (10.85 million)
18. Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day! (10.83 million)
19. Mario Kart DS (10.45 million)
20. Super Mario Bros. 2 (10 million)
Jackal
29th Apr 2008, 07:38 AM
Apparently GTA4 is so big that it may effect movie theater sales this weekend.
On my way to work they were talking about an article that said something like GTA4 is expected to sell so many copies that it might actually hinder movie ticket sales (Iron Man comes out this weekend)
If it does, that would just be crazy.
MonsOlympus
29th Apr 2008, 07:45 AM
Grand Theft Auto III (14.5 million, may include PC and Xbox versions)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (17.5 million, may include PC and Xbox versions)
Those numbers could be PS2 alone :o
Halo 3 (8.1 million)
Gears of War (4.5 million)
and ofcoarse those are 360 only, Gears does have a PC version but I doubt it would get over 6mil including those. Halo3 sold the quickest for a game ever so Im wondering how well GTA4 will do vs that record also :p
Actually this time its on xbox as well, so I wonder what the 360 vs PS3 sales will be like since GTA is usually very strong on PS.
akstylish
29th Apr 2008, 08:09 AM
Mario (200 million)
Pokémon (175 million)
The Sims (100 million)
Final Fantasy (80 million)
Grand Theft Auto (70 million)
Madden NFL (70 million)
Tetris (70 million)
FIFA (65 million)
The Legend of Zelda (52 million)
Donkey Kong (48 million)
gta series is the fifth best-selling franchise? I knew it was poular, but not this much.
O_o
edit: actually, I'm more surprised how well pokemon games sold.
Munchables
29th Apr 2008, 08:33 AM
Who should I expect to run into online from here? Can people post their xbox live gamertags plz? XD
I'm still new, and need friends. :)
My gt is Munchables; no joke; it is.
ambershee
29th Apr 2008, 08:36 AM
People here play on Live 0_o
But that....
..costs money?
Munchables
29th Apr 2008, 08:37 AM
You get a month of live for free, and 500 microsoft points if you buy gta 4, no special package either. I think its only in Australia. XD
Big-Al
29th Apr 2008, 08:39 AM
Who should I expect to run into online from here? Can people post their xbox live gamertags plz? XD
I'm still new, and need friends. :)
My gt is Munchables; no joke; it is.
http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=166840
there you go :)
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 08:39 AM
In my sig... :cool:
I'll be activating my free month tonight.
Munchables
29th Apr 2008, 08:40 AM
http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=166840
there you go :)
Oh LOL I hadn't noticed that yet. :(
Majik
29th Apr 2008, 08:45 AM
Tried to get a copy today, but of course it was sold out everywhere.
Stupid other people living in this town, stupid other people pre-ordering before me on Amazon and stupid me for over- and underestimating the supply and demand for this title! :mad:
Fiddlesticks!
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 08:49 AM
Tried to get a copy today, but of course it was sold out everywhere.
Stupid other people living in this town, stupid other people pre-ordering before me on Amazon and stupid me for over- and underestimating the supply and demand for this title! :mad:
Fiddlesticks!
They only had 65 copies spare at the place I went to (that were not for preorders), and most of those went last night at 00:00.
Kantham
29th Apr 2008, 09:10 AM
I'll get mine in 1 hour...
dub
29th Apr 2008, 09:15 AM
I guess that makes an average of around 6 million a title. I can't find figures that high for San Andreas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_%28series%29#Notes_and_references
ref. 1
MonsOlympus
29th Apr 2008, 09:36 AM
That 12mil must have only included PS2 version then, 20mil is like bordering on mario territory :p
Theres been a steady increase from one game to the next so could this one hit 25mil I wonder :-)
Wulff
29th Apr 2008, 10:08 AM
They only had 65 copies spare at the place I went to (that were not for preorders), and most of those went last night at 00:00.
They had plenty in the city I was, got a sealed copy myself.
Edit: The only reason I'm not playing it right now is my PS3 controller needs to recharge.
ambershee
29th Apr 2008, 10:10 AM
That 12mil must have only included PS2 version then, 20mil is like bordering on mario territory :p
Theres been a steady increase from one game to the next so could this one hit 25mil I wonder :-)
It's nuts! Are there really that many tasteless people out there :lol:?
Capt.Toilet
29th Apr 2008, 10:45 AM
Picked up my copy at midnight. While I waited I chatted with a dude who claimed he knew Fata1ity(he is from KC afterall) and pretty much just chatted about the game for the next 30 minutes. Got home and played for almost 3 hours. I am loving the little touches that they added. Vehicles actually handle like real vehicles now as in its hard to slow down and take turns at high speeds. Tapping the button to get out of your car leaves the car running and you can also hear the radio outside of your car, while holding it down will shut it off entirely. Going down to the industrial area of the city I actually saw some people working, as opposed to just walking around like in previous games. Hell I even knocked some ladies groceries out of her hands, who she then proceeded to say "thats ok dont mind me".
Side note: Romans facination with titties is almost as big as mine :D
Sider note: Sucks to be the people who only have SD TV's as the game doesnt support 480i or 480p. Then again you can get some pretty decent ones for cheap so there is no excuse
Kantham
29th Apr 2008, 11:02 AM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1713/001oe0.png
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2161/002rj4.png
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7186/003rk6.png
Kantham
29th Apr 2008, 11:15 AM
However, it's the ****tiest case lock I've ever touched. There's also a small bag included.
dotnetbeast
29th Apr 2008, 11:20 AM
I got mine. :P although like i mentioned before, i'm banned from XBL because i got a modded 360, fine by me i rarely ever went online to begin with and i'll wait for the PC MP version.
I just got an email account in the game, and getting jobs via email, and can surf the web that the internet cafe allows...limited sites, but i found a dating page and i clicked "date" to all 9 or 12 of them.
P.I.M.P.
On a side note, other than play burned games, what else can you do on a modded 360?
Balton
29th Apr 2008, 11:26 AM
However, it's the ****tiest case lock I've ever touched. There's also a small bag included.
lol, if you can't find anything to nag about the world will be ending soon :lol:
MonsOlympus
29th Apr 2008, 11:27 AM
However, it's the ****tiest case lock I've ever touched. There's also a small bag included.
Wow that looks kewl, keyring and a nice artbook... Rub it in why dontcha, hurry up peeceeeeeee ssssssseeeeeeeeeee :eek: :D
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 11:41 AM
On a side note, other than play burned games, what else can you do on a modded 360?
Nothing, apparently.
Kantham
29th Apr 2008, 11:45 AM
Wow that looks kewl, keyring and a nice artbook... Rub it in why dontcha, hurry up peeceeeeeee ssssssseeeeeeeeeee :eek: :D
Lawl, even if I put it in & lock it, you'll be able to open it with your finger. At least, I was.
dotnetbeast
29th Apr 2008, 12:13 PM
Nothing, apparently.
Well...that kinda sucks.
Jonathan
29th Apr 2008, 12:24 PM
IGN and Game$pot$ perfect game is freezing on both the PS3 and 360 (not all, some),
http://kotaku.com/385183/rockstar-support-no-gta-freeze-fix-in-sight
and there's framerate issues, etc.
:p
dotnetbeast
29th Apr 2008, 12:25 PM
^ :lol: people like watching the opening scene?
Plumb_Drumb
29th Apr 2008, 12:34 PM
IGN and Game$pot$ perfect game is freezing on both the PS3 and 360 (not all, some),
http://kotaku.com/385183/rockstar-support-no-gta-freeze-fix-in-sight
and there's framerate issues, etc.
:p
haha, take that console gamers! or something.
MonsOlympus
29th Apr 2008, 12:37 PM
See now if that was PC they could put a rush on the patch since it doesnt need to go through cert :lol:
Funnily enough this is the same type of problem I was experiencing with UT3 :p
das_ben
29th Apr 2008, 01:41 PM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7186/003rk6.png
Are the mobsters in the game Russian or Yugoslavian? Just curious, the name sounds kind of Serbian or Croatian (although written as 'Belić' would make more sense).
SlayerDragon
29th Apr 2008, 01:46 PM
Kantham you forked over that much cash for the collector's edition thingy? :con:
Mozi
29th Apr 2008, 02:28 PM
picked up my copy during lunch. A buddy of mine forked over 80 some odd bucks for the collectors edition.
Best Buy had plenty of copies of the normal, and special editions for people without pre orders.
_Lynx
29th Apr 2008, 03:05 PM
Are the mobsters in the game Russian or Yugoslavian? Just curious, the name sounds kind of Serbian or Croatian (although written as 'Belić' would make more sense).
Not russian for sure ;) That's definitely somewhere more to the west.
Trynant
29th Apr 2008, 03:18 PM
Been playing a few.
I like the addition of the cellphone. Spending time with a girlfriend to miss out on saving a cousin from thugs is something new in the GTAIV series. And Gametrailer's is right about there being no real line between the main plot and side missions. This is starting to feel overwhelming....
Angel_Mapper
29th Apr 2008, 04:04 PM
Just picked up the special edition and strategy guide at Best Buy. Can you say $110 of tax deductible awesomeness? \o/
Nines
29th Apr 2008, 04:37 PM
For the record: I just played for pretty much 9 hours straight. I didn't get any freezes, glitches or any other issues whatsoever. The game ran flawlessly. :p
Mozi
29th Apr 2008, 04:53 PM
For the record: I just played for pretty much 9 hours straight. I didn't get any freezes, glitches or any other issues whatsoever. The game ran flawlessly. :p
That's good to hear was kind of scared about them crashes in the intro cut scenes. I guess I should leave work early and start playing.
Wulff
29th Apr 2008, 05:36 PM
Crashing, nope, haven't seen any. Apart from car crashes, managed to fly out the front windshield a couple times. Had a couple cars blow up, had one car engine die on me(okay the front of the car looked pretty beat up, I lolzed as the car wouldn't start anymore).
It is bad to have a four star wanted level.
Twisted Metal
29th Apr 2008, 05:43 PM
I still want to see manual transmission cars and fuel consumption in a GTA title. In real life, if I had the ability to hijack any car I pleased, I'm sure that Lambo that I just hitched wouldn't be automatic.
On another note, I want a more realistic manual transmission model in racing/driving games. In Gran Turismo you simply hit L2 and R2 to to downshift and upshift respectfully. Where's the clutch? Surely not every car has paddle shifters? I propose to simulate a clutch using one of the analog sticks on the controller. You need to hold it down to disengage it, and then slowly release it while balancing it out with the throttle button in order to prevent stalling. And yes, I want the car to stall if I release the clutch too quick or don't give it enough throttle. If it's more fun to do this in real life, then why can't we implement it in game? It would be hilarious in online mode to see the n00bs stalling, bucking, and lurching. :D
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 05:56 PM
It would be hilarious in online mode to see the n00bs stalling, bucking, and lurching. :D
Then they'd give up and you'd have no-one left to play with. ;)
SleepyHe4d
29th Apr 2008, 07:10 PM
^ Microsoft Car Simulator X
Seriously though, what's up with the handling in this game, any tips? And not just, "use the breaks," cause that crap doesn't work. :p
Super Feen
29th Apr 2008, 07:18 PM
^drive slower
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 07:27 PM
Be aware of when you need to brake/turn corners. The runaround family cars you see everywhere don't have very good brakes or steering abilities...
Just practice.
Majik
29th Apr 2008, 07:48 PM
Wow, it's insane how much GTA4 has affected the Metal Gear Online beta. Looks like 2/3 of the usual player count just vanished.
More salt in the wound. (Edit: and Cpt. Toilet, Iron Archer and ZenPirate are just rubbing it in)
Capt.Toilet
29th Apr 2008, 08:09 PM
Wow, it's insane how much GTA4 has affected the Metal Gear Online beta. Looks like 2/3 of the usual player count just vanished.
More salt in the wound. (Edit: and Cpt. Toilet, Iron Archer and ZenPirate are just rubbing it in)
:(
For the record: I just played for pretty much 9 hours straight. I didn't get any freezes, glitches or any other issues whatsoever. The game ran flawlessly. :p
No crashes here either, but I did run into a 3 second freeze when watching one of the television shows. Not a big deal though its happened once or twice in roughly 5 hours of playing
thewalkingman
29th Apr 2008, 08:59 PM
Wow, it's insane how much GTA4 has affected the Metal Gear Online beta. Looks like 2/3 of the usual player count just vanished.
More salt in the wound. (Edit: and Cpt. Toilet, Iron Archer and ZenPirate are just rubbing it in)
Let me eat dinner first, before I log on.
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 09:16 PM
How many pigeons have people found? :D
I have 3/200 so far. :eek:
Wulff
29th Apr 2008, 09:31 PM
There is a website in game that shows you the locations of all pigeons, as well as health/armor/weapon/stunt location/weird people to meet
Slainchild
29th Apr 2008, 09:39 PM
There is a website in game that shows you the locations of all pigeons, as well as health/armor/weapon/stunt location/weird people to meet
Oh ok. I think I'd rather find them myself though. As with any "hidden" items in games.
Nines
29th Apr 2008, 09:57 PM
Seriously though, what's up with the handling in this game, any tips? And not just, "use the breaks," cause that crap doesn't work. :p
Don't break and turn at the same time. Break first, then turn. It took me a while to get the hang of the more 'realistic' vehicle handling, but the more you drive the faster you learn. :)
SleepyHe4d
29th Apr 2008, 10:07 PM
I wouldn't really call ice skating realistic but yeah, I'll get used to it eventually. ><
There is a website in game that shows you the locations of all pigeons, as well as health/armor/weapon/stunt location/weird people to meet
Wow, isn't that kind of cheap, what were they thinking? :\
I think something is wrong with me. i mean, i should be liking this game a lot... but I keep wanting to go play some more Mario kart Wii :(
Don't worry I feel the same way, but it's not the game, it's cause I'm never able to get into console games these days, I'd rather just go sit at the comp. :lol:
ZenPirate
29th Apr 2008, 10:09 PM
I think something is wrong with me. i mean, i should be liking this game a lot... but I keep wanting to go play some more Mario kart Wii :(
MonsOlympus
30th Apr 2008, 12:29 AM
Oh noes... you gotz da wiinfection! Dr Capps warned of this :lol:
thewalkingman
30th Apr 2008, 12:58 AM
However, it's the ****tiest case lock I've ever touched. There's also a small bag included.
Hey it is a nice bag.
Nines
30th Apr 2008, 08:50 AM
Little Jacob is awesome.
Lizard Of Oz
30th Apr 2008, 09:10 AM
About the vehicle handling:
If it's like GTA SA, then the handling will get better as you get more driving experience.
My first impressions of the game:
It's dark, even in daylight it seems too dark. (Yes, I've adjust the brightness).
Running it at 1080, the cellphone menus are nearly unreadable, and the text messages are unreadable. (46" HDTV)
Traffic!
I miss the old HUD.
I miss the wide open spaces of GTA SA.
Sjosz
30th Apr 2008, 09:27 AM
Stay Alpha man! STAY ALPHA!
Funniest bit thusfar is driving next to some dude who's carrying a cup, which I knock out of his hand by driving a tad too close and the guy screaming 'my latte!' :lol:
Slainchild
30th Apr 2008, 09:27 AM
Running it at 1080, the cellphone menus are nearly unreadable, and the text messages are unreadable. (46" HDTV)
Traffic!
You can change the font size on the cellphone in one of the menus.
I think the amount of traffic is great. feels a lot more populated due to that (and it is).
Mozi
30th Apr 2008, 10:33 AM
Little Jacob is awesome.
When I meet him I had to turn on subtitles to figure out what the hell he was talking about.. :lol:
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
30th Apr 2008, 10:44 AM
I miss the wide open spaces of GTA SA.
New York City has wide open spaces?
das_ben
30th Apr 2008, 10:52 AM
Does the game include Staten Island?
Slainchild
30th Apr 2008, 11:06 AM
Does the game include Staten Island?
http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=9477&game_id=4241&id=116646
Full map there.
Soulja
30th Apr 2008, 12:20 PM
I've been having a lot of fun playing the short 20 minutes that I did. After this week I'm going to invest some more time, can't wait. Seems like a lot of fun and I'm very pleased with the graphics and gameplay.
dub
30th Apr 2008, 12:27 PM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dubdesign/BuF/NicoBell.png
Hollowman
30th Apr 2008, 02:17 PM
It's dark, even in daylight it seems too dark. (Yes, I've adjust the brightness).
I found that and spent ages fiddling with my TV settings. Then I discovered the contrast settings in the Display section on the GTA options...whacked it up full...now I can see everything :D
JaFO
30th Apr 2008, 03:26 PM
:lol: check out the 'history'-documentary on tv. The Dutch are responsible for Liberty City as well :D
I wouldn't rate it 10/10, but it's definitely great.
I wished they used subtitles for the tv-shows as well. :(
The cops definitely are less random than they used to be.
Fun stuff is seeing a cop arrest someone else for a change ... ;)
Kantham
30th Apr 2008, 04:36 PM
No way the game is 10/10 for me.
I won't be spilling all my cons around here, this game is good and fun, there are a lot of attentions put into it. But I feel like this won't last like a week. I'm already bored.
There's so many multiplayer options and games with a very few people who don't ****ing know what ready up is meant for, you spend the whole day on the UI and loading waiting for someone to show up. Oh no, the team leader got rammed by a teammates... another UI and loading. FFS. come on, I'd like to try this out with a bunch of friend, it's pointless trying to go on as it is right now with random people on this silly xbox live service. I also had to global mute because of annoying childs.
It feels like saints row all over again, but overall better. I'd rent it, seriously...
I hope the multilayer gets more interesting eventually. Also the cop versus robber is very odd the way it's set up. As the game starts, the cops all start in a cop vehicle, everyone get off the car loosing some health, while the robers start all next to each other, on foot.
I suppose the cops want their own car or pick some things up around, I don't know, but I know one thing for sure, it's boring.
Kantham
30th Apr 2008, 05:11 PM
Little Jacob is awesome.
Lot of em bloodclot iz in de backwad' yu sayin? Want somma dis spiff?
My personal favorite is the Russian woman selling them clothes near the first apparetment you get.
"You look very goutt in dat, yes, very goutt."
Slainchild
30th Apr 2008, 05:15 PM
I hope the multilayer gets more interesting eventually.
Multiplayer is the worst thing about the game imho. I've only played a few games but they weren't very interesting. For pretty much the same reasons you mentioned.
The SP story and city is way way more fun to play in. I didn't get the game for MP anyway. :)
Oh and the SP doesn't really get going until after you've done all the "introduction" missions imo. A lot of the starting area missions feel like they are just teaching you how the various mechanics in the game work. But still, the cutscenes are nicely done and fun to watch, and the gameplay is great.
JaFO
30th Apr 2008, 05:30 PM
I'd say all the good and bad stuff of all the previous versions are still in this version.
The only things that have changed are the look&feel (especially the melee-combat and the movement as you get hit by cars and stuff) and the cop-AI.
So if you've never liked GTA then this one isn't going to change anything.
Lizard Of Oz
30th Apr 2008, 08:12 PM
New York City has wide open spaces?
No, but GTA SA did.
Kantham
30th Apr 2008, 08:12 PM
My favorites "new features", or whatever you could call them are listed below.
Pedestrians Reacting, and caring about what you do
-"WTF was that!?" - When you steal a car by breaking the window and the alarm goes on.
-"That was amazing!" - When you show them off your one wheel driving skills, or fall from a rooftop.
The way the AIs act injured to your shots, really amazing. They stand still a little too much though.
Cop evading system, quite reminds me of my first NFS:MW experience, which is awesome, even though it's a bitch to see a cop spawn at the last second sometimes.
Taxi cabs, even if they drive like retards, it's a nice concept.
The way you actually shop, (though there seems to be a lack of clothes I think)
And lastly, maybe not a feature, but how many times you hear the words "Fck", "sht" and finally, "kill" is just priceless. Also is the way that almost everyone you got money from doing jobs for them get killed, or you kill them.
"Manny always wanted to help the streets, I think he really will now" :lol:
Kantham
30th Apr 2008, 09:25 PM
Oh and let's not forget that guy who always yell at no one in front of your apartments in Bohan. (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4929005918609124577&hl=en-CA) :lol:
Oh and the SP doesn't really get going until after you've done all the "introduction" missions imo. A lot of the starting area missions feel like they are just teaching you how the various mechanics in the game work. But still, the cutscenes are nicely done and fun to watch, and the gameplay is great.
Yeah. I found the "Search for MostWanted/Crimes" from the police computer an interesting thing. However, I suppose it hits a limit then, once you've finished them all...
Trynant
30th Apr 2008, 11:33 PM
I've only played about 8 hours in (I only just did one mission for Manny atm), but overall I really like the game. Except that it froze on me when loading at one point :hmm:
I liked the multiplayer. I picked deathmatch, however, and that's perhaps the difference in enjoyment. Free for all in Liberty City is just really amazing. Shooting an opponent in the head while they try to drive towards you is very satisfying.
P.S. Kantham/SC did you get my invitations to a game?
Kantham
30th Apr 2008, 11:46 PM
Yeah I got them twice, twice I was on a mission.
I'll get in touch next time, or maybe now...
BTW, am I the only one who think the intro sucks big time? You can't skip it, I wouldn't mind if it would be exactly like the one from IGN's review (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-4/videos/gta4_review_042508.html). Where they got it from anyway? Is it part of the game, or the guys at IGN are ****ing brilliant? Because I love that intro a lot.
Awesome match with the music.
Capt.Toilet
30th Apr 2008, 11:51 PM
Little Jacob is awesome.
Wait till you meet Badman. The look on Niko's face is priceless
-"That was amazing!" - When you show them off your one wheel driving skills, or fall from a rooftop.[/SIZE]
Hell when I fell from the rooftop my first time, I landed right in front of a pedestrian and he yelled out " They are out to get me I just knew it". So I guess he thinks someone was going to throw a body at him from 10 stories up :lol:
EDIT: just watched the video linked up top and all I have to say is "And the voice is like OH ****"
thewalkingman
1st May 2008, 12:26 AM
I don't speak Little Jacob.
Capt.Toilet
1st May 2008, 12:33 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6190213.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;2
And let the bitching and moaning and whatnot commence my brothers!!!!
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
1st May 2008, 02:26 AM
No, but GTA SA did.
Right, and IV is not SA.
IV = NY which = no large, open spaces.
Slainchild
1st May 2008, 04:48 AM
Is it part of the game, or the guys at IGN are ****ing brilliant? Because I love that intro a lot.
I guess they made it themselves with some clips from cutscenes.
Nines
1st May 2008, 08:32 AM
Wait till you meet Badman. The look on Niko's face is priceless
Oh yeah, Badman is awesome too. He's even more incomprehensible than LJ. :lol:
Hell when I fell from the rooftop my first time, I landed right in front of a pedestrian and he yelled out " They are out to get me I just knew it". So I guess he thinks someone was going to throw a body at him from 10 stories up
I had a similar thing happen to me. I stole a Turismo from the second floor of the car showroom on the center island. As I jumped the car onto the street, I saw a guy running away while screaming "It's the aliens! The invasion is beginning!" or something like that.
Lizard Of Oz
1st May 2008, 08:56 AM
Right, and IV is not SA.
IV = NY which = no large, open spaces.
Which is why I miss them.
Slainchild
1st May 2008, 09:10 AM
I'd take a bustling, busy city over large open spaces any day. ;)
Kantham
1st May 2008, 09:31 AM
I just finished the Jacob helicopter mission thing, I was laughing my ass off for Niko yelling at Jacob not able to get a good shot because I was driving like ****. Man that mission is so priceless...
I also laughed my ass off when Brucie asked how he looked after you finish first in the first race. RockStar has put so many attention to this character.
Trynant
1st May 2008, 10:42 AM
Yeah I got them twice, twice I was on a mission.
I'll get in touch next time, or maybe now...
Well darn, I guess Badger is an apt name for a cellphone then. I'll still keep bugging you when I'm online :biggrin2:
BTW, am I the only one who think the intro sucks big time? You can't skip it, I wouldn't mind if it would be exactly like the one from IGN's review (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-4/videos/gta4_review_042508.html). Where they got it from anyway? Is it part of the game, or the guys at IGN are ****ing brilliant? Because I love that intro a lot.
Awesome match with the music.
Do you mean the intro at the very start of a new game, or the intro every time you start up the game? If it's the former then no, I thought that was pretty cool, if it's the latter then I think that's secretly a loading screen.
EDIT: And yeah, it's lame.
JaFO
1st May 2008, 10:44 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6190213.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;2
And let the bitching and moaning and whatnot commence my brothers!!!!
WTF ?
This game pretty much shows why you shouldn't even drink & drive.
You're better off trying to walk home until you start walking somewhat straight. And even then it's hard to drive in a straight line at any speed ...
Of course one could argue that it makes sobering up appear to be pretty fast by comparison.
btw : it's not hot coffee this time around. It's merely warm ... ;)
//
The airport has plenty of open space :D
Just don't try to board a 747 while you are there, because the cops will get you.
Mozi
1st May 2008, 11:13 AM
I am so glad the game has auto save because I forget to go back to safe house and save. I just keep doing mission after mission. Well during one mission the game decided to crash!
Had to reboot my xbox, but hopefully this will not happen again.
SlayerDragon
1st May 2008, 12:43 PM
BTW, am I the only one who think the intro sucks big time? You can't skip it, I wouldn't mind if it would be exactly like the one from IGN's review (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/827005/grand-theft-auto-4/videos/gta4_review_042508.html). Where they got it from anyway? Is it part of the game, or the guys at IGN are ****ing brilliant? Because I love that intro a lot.
It plays while the game content is loading, thus you can't skip it. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
How many pigeons have people found? :D
I have 3/200 so far. :eek:
:eek: Pigeons?! :con: well I've been playing for hours (2 long nights) and I haven't even found one.. :D I love this game!
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
1st May 2008, 12:45 PM
I think so far the only thing I don't like about the game is the lack of safe houses/garages.
San Andreas spoiled the sh*t out of players with something like 20 houses and 10 or so garages. Now safe houses as a way to save have been cut back due to the autosave feature, that's fine, but I still wish I could have 10-15 cars of my own saved around different parts of the city.
Otherwise, IV is already the clear front runner for game of the year.
BTW, am I the only one who think the intro sucks big time? You can't skip it,
Small price to pay for the fact that once you're past it the game never does a single ounce of loading or preloading throughout the rest of play. For as big as the game is you'd have to expect a very small load some point early on, this intro is that load in disguise. Then you can just go for hours and hours cleanly, I think I can put up with a little load for that.
Besides, it gives you time to pack a bowl or crack open some cold ones and pour em' up into your favorite chilled mug :tup:
Wulff
1st May 2008, 04:00 PM
:eek: Pigeons?! :con: well I've been playing for hours (2 long nights) and I haven't even found one.. :D I love this game!
Kill all 200 pigeons and get an Annihilator Helicopter. >_>
JaFO
1st May 2008, 04:17 PM
:eek: Pigeons?! :con: well I've been playing for hours (2 long nights) and I haven't even found one.. :D I love this game!
Heck ... I found 2 and until I tried shooting them and the game told me I had eliminated a flying rat (sp?) I wouldn't have known what to do with them.
Like all the 'important' weapons and other stuff you can find on the streets these beasts glow when you're near them.
There's one that is very easy to locate :
climb on top of the rollercoaster (sp?) ... you'll find one sitting on the rails.
shoot it with the gun
Kantham
1st May 2008, 06:31 PM
Lol pigeons. I saw one the other day when I was doing some mission, They have a red neon light like the weapon pickups. I couldn't do anything with it since I was almost dead and the cops were after me.
Slainchild
1st May 2008, 07:37 PM
Yeah you have to shoot all 200.
Kantham
1st May 2008, 10:16 PM
Gee man, I hardly ever find one any now and then, what the **** with 200 pigeons to kill, this is madness. :lol:
(GR)Killer
1st May 2008, 10:47 PM
Everytime you kill a Pigeon god kills a kitten.
Capt.Toilet
2nd May 2008, 12:02 AM
The airport has plenty of open space :D
Just don't try to board a 747 while you are there, because the cops will get you.
That airport is the devil in disguise. I was just taking a joyride and saw an opening that lead out to the runway. Well no sooner that I get onto the runway, I instantly get a 4 star wanted level. I was seriously like WTFBBQ wheres my ****ing pancakes at that time. During that time I found a hidden jump, which then proceeded to be completed with me crashing through the windshield, which then ended with me going to take a swim in the ocean whilst getting pelted with guns. Uggh.
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
2nd May 2008, 12:24 AM
http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=9477&game_id=4241&id=116646
Full map there.
I need to find if they have put that map online anywhere at a decent resolution.
Would be interesting to add it to scale to this image
http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/11/10575/thumb_620x2000/USC_geo.png
to compare how large IV is to its predecessors. It's pretty crazy to see how much it has grown already. SA in the middle, with 3 in the top right and VC in the bottom left; quite a disparity. Andreas dwarfs 'em.
Also, one last bit of pluggage for my beloved San Andreas; there's a mod now for it that adds cars reflection, Screen Space Ambient Occlusion (SSAO), Indirect Lightning (IL) and bloom effects.
These are actual screenshots with it on full, click to make big!
http://boris-vorontsov.narod.ru/screenshots/wallpaper_gtasa15.jpg
http://boris-vorontsov.narod.ru/screenshots/wallpaper_gtasa16.jpg
http://boris-vorontsov.narod.ru/screenshots/wallpaper_gtasa08.jpg
SleepyHe4d
2nd May 2008, 12:32 AM
No GTA IV comparison? :p
Capt.Toilet
2nd May 2008, 12:52 AM
Course take out all the open space and it would be roughly the same size as GTAIV. Or maybe slightly smaller who knows.
Twisted Metal
2nd May 2008, 12:53 AM
There's a Google maps version of Liberty City here:
http://grandtheftauto.ign.com/maps/1/Liberty-City-Map
JaFO
2nd May 2008, 12:09 PM
Whatever its size ... GTA 4 feels 'big' already and I'm still on the initial island.
T2A`
2nd May 2008, 02:06 PM
This kid has obviously been playing too much GTA4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtAhwFaBy48
Jonathan
2nd May 2008, 02:14 PM
Wow, that kid needs a whoopin'!
Kantham
2nd May 2008, 02:17 PM
Or needs to be put in a "welcoming family?" for several years far, far away from video games and his parents, doing extra work after school for risking killing someone without caring.
Twisted Metal
2nd May 2008, 02:24 PM
This kid has obviously been playing too much GTA4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtAhwFaBy48
ROFL, no video games for the weekend. :lol:
edit - T2A', did you make that comic in your sig? That's great! :D
Kantham
2nd May 2008, 02:57 PM
Haha, I just watched it until the end. No video games for the week end? I'd kick his ass, no seriously, I'd kick it hard... It's fun to do bad things indeed.
Man that's exactly the kind of voice and **** I just muted when I played GTA IV's multiplayer, give me a ****ing break.
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
2nd May 2008, 03:00 PM
That kid is awesome. He was doing "hoodrat stuff" for this homies, like his friend who smokes cigarettes.
chyea.
thewalkingman
3rd May 2008, 01:15 AM
What is the best way to overcome stuck loading saved games?
Capt.Toilet
3rd May 2008, 01:20 AM
Well mine is officially broken also from that stupid ass freezing up/not loading saved games. It froze up twice today, once during an autosave and another time during a normal save and now I cant even load my most recent save. Im pissed off something fierce right now.
UPDATE: http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6190279.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6190279
I say **** that to the whole 12 step process as a bunch of people are stating that upon disconnecting from the network there games started working again. Will post back in abit if this works.
UPDATE 2: Well I tried booting up the game without logging into the PSN and it worked. Played for about 20 minutes with no problems. I even restarted the game to see if it would boot up again and it did. Decided to boot up again whilst logged in and it booted up fine. So really I have no clue what its doing. One thing for sure is its a big problem no matter which version you have and hope a patch comes out soon. I plan to do a good amount of playing tomorrow without being connected to the internet to see if this truely is a fix for it.
Wulff
3rd May 2008, 01:56 AM
Sorry, no freezes here...
What is the best way to overcome stuck loading saved games?
Have two saves? I always have one save from before I go quit, and an autosave. >_>
thewalkingman
3rd May 2008, 02:48 AM
Be sure to disable autosave...
JaFO
3rd May 2008, 05:55 AM
Thanks for the hint, but they sure do come in handy sometimes :(
// ---
The weirdest thing just happened in the game.
I got me self a car (I'm sure you've noticed that the animations depend on what weapon you're holding ;)) and the idiot tried to take his car back by attempting to open the door as I drove away. He succeeded in holding onto the car for a few meters as I drove off ... :lol:
SleepyHe4d
3rd May 2008, 06:09 AM
The weirdest thing just happened in the game.
I got me self a car (I'm sure you've noticed that the animations depend on what weapon you're holding ;)) and the idiot tried to take his car back by attempting to open the door as I drove away. He succeeded in holding onto the car for a few meters as I drove off ... :lol:
That's been a common thing in all the games. >.>
Jackal
3rd May 2008, 07:26 AM
lol
I figured out how to get the max star rating. Just try to cross a blocked bridge.
All stars lit right up. It's was pretty easy to escape too. I ran on foot and lost the coppers, except the helicopters. Then I got stuck and died :(
SleepyHe4d
3rd May 2008, 07:43 AM
Try? I explored the whole other island without even doing the first mission, just drive your car onto the subway tracks and drive across to the other side. :p Though you will still get max stars. I agree it is pretty easy to avoid them, I got away without dying, kinda cheap that a whole army can't stop one guy.
Munchables
3rd May 2008, 09:26 AM
Try? I explored the whole other island without even doing the first mission, just drive your car onto the subway tracks and drive across to the other side. :p Though you will still get max stars. I agree it is pretty easy to avoid them, I got away without dying, kinda cheap that a whole army can't stop one guy.
And you didn't get the one man army achievement? (360 only:D)
Trynant
3rd May 2008, 09:27 AM
That's been a common thing in all the games. >.>
In previous Grand Theft Auto games the people would try to get their car back, but they wouldn't latch onto the car's door and get dragged on asphalt for 100 yards.
Question about multiplayer: any way to choose how to join a game or host a game? It seems like the game randomly assigns you to stuff :(
Jackal
3rd May 2008, 10:02 AM
Try? I explored the whole other island without even doing the first mission, just drive your car onto the subway tracks and drive across to the other side. :p Though you will still get max stars. I agree it is pretty easy to avoid them, I got away without dying, kinda cheap that a whole army can't stop one guy.
oh that's awsome. I'm gonna try it out. I just drove across a bridge, I was going full speed in a Viper then I hit the concrete wall (which I didn't see). I thought I could pass through the armored trucks :(
I've played the game for about 7 hours now. I just completed my first mission :)
JaFO
3rd May 2008, 11:05 AM
In previous Grand Theft Auto games the people would try to get their car back, but they wouldn't latch onto the car's door and get dragged on asphalt for 100 yards....
Indeed ... and it looked cool too.
// ---
Russian Revolution was pretty insane as far as missions have been.
Although it was made more difficult because I wasn't alone :(
I wonder how many missions I'll need to do before the next island opens up.
Nines
3rd May 2008, 12:51 PM
Possible spoiler. :p
When I did the mission "Dust Off", where you have to steal a helicopter, one of the guys guarding it decided to hold on to the landing gear(or w/e it's called) as I flew off. He actually managed to hang on for quite a while, before falling to his death.
Kantham
3rd May 2008, 08:06 PM
When I did the mission "Dust Off", where you have to steal a helicopter, one of the guys guarding it decided to hold on to the landing gear(or w/e it's called) as I flew off. He actually managed to hang on for quite a while, before falling to his death.
Yeah, me too. It mostly always happen, it's scripted to happen.
Sjosz
3rd May 2008, 09:11 PM
Haha, weird situation.
So I take Roman out for some food, blablabla, arrived, eat, go back.. and I drive up to the drop-off point, he says thank you for the food, call me again soon.
Next he punches my in the face while still in the car, pushes me out the car and takes over control of the car while shouting 'sorry but this is MINE!' He then gets out himself and walk back to the apartment. :lol:
(GR)Killer
3rd May 2008, 11:46 PM
I like being the town bully. If i see someone eating and drinking i take their food and throw it on the ground and run away. I'm a big meany!!!! i may just destroy the internet cafe if i'm bored. Smashed up computers!!!!
SleepyHe4d
4th May 2008, 01:48 AM
I like walking into the hospital and trying to kill as many people as I can...
(GR)Killer
4th May 2008, 02:53 AM
I like when people latch onto their car, i make a few turns and run them over with the last turn and take their money when they die. I also like stealing cars when there are 2 or 3 people in, take the driver out and have 1-2 people left in it all scared and wont jump out untill the car completly stops. JOY RIDE MUDA PUCKA!!!!!
Iron Archer
4th May 2008, 09:40 AM
Sadly, I had to take advantage of the Gamestop 7 day return policy and return my copy of GTA IV for PS3. The game was just too violent. Just kidding.
Actually, I had been playing for a good while and then the freeze up issues began. It happened a few times in-game and then it started to happen after the initial load, while loading the most recent save. It would show "loading bull in a china shop" for example and never fully load up. I deleted the game data several times, including saves, starting from scratch, and that still did not alleviate the freeze ups. The PS3 I was playing it on was my 20 gb model, and though I could have tried it in my 40 gb one, I just didn't want to go through the trouble. I'd rather have had it on PS3 but oh well.
I ended up getting it on the 360 and it works great. The graphics are not as clear and the lighting does not seem to be as well done as on the PS3 version, but it's fun. I might end up picking it up on PS3 again once they patch it, so I can kill Cpt.Toilet and Buddyleeth :)
Jackal
4th May 2008, 09:44 AM
I like walking into the hospital and trying to kill as many people as I can...
Glad I'm not he only one...
Balton
4th May 2008, 09:55 AM
I ended up getting it on the 360 and it works great. The graphics are not as clear and the lighting does not seem to be as well done as on the PS3 version, but it's fun. I might end up picking it up on PS3 again once they patch it, so I can kill Cpt.Toilet and Buddyleeth :)
you've been forcefully converted... might have to make up a new achievement for that...
I'm on the last island around 54% done. Had to take some time off going carnage after playing nonstop missions. It's also great to have friends who enjoy doing the taxi and dope delivery missions.
ZenPirate
4th May 2008, 10:58 AM
Apparently it's freezing on both systems
http://kotaku.com/385183/rockstar-support-no-gta-freeze-fix-in-sight
Jackal
4th May 2008, 11:27 AM
hrm. I have yet to experience a freeze or crash etc on my xbox.
I even left it running since 8am yesterday, all night, and it's still on (woke up and started to play again).
No issues on my end.
JaFO
4th May 2008, 12:00 PM
Haha, weird situation.
So I take Roman out for some food, blablabla, arrived, eat, go back.. and I drive up to the drop-off point, he says thank you for the food, call me again soon.
Next he punches my in the face while still in the car, pushes me out the car and takes over control of the car while shouting 'sorry but this is MINE!' He then gets out himself and walk back to the apartment. :lol:
I had that happen to me as well. However given that I had parked next to another car it actually made some sort of sense that he would try to get out on the driver-side. :lol:
Weird stuff :
Little Jacob calling me on the phone when I'm a few meters from his car (I was about to buy guns from him)
Kantham
4th May 2008, 01:59 PM
Haha, weird situation.
So I take Roman out for some food, blablabla, arrived, eat, go back.. and I drive up to the drop-off point, he says thank you for the food, call me again soon.
Next he punches my in the face while still in the car, pushes me out the car and takes over control of the car while shouting 'sorry but this is MINE!' He then gets out himself and walk back to the apartment. :lol:
That's weird.
Iron Archer
4th May 2008, 02:09 PM
I like walking into the hospital and trying to kill as many people as I can...
like Jackal, I've also done this many times. Nothing like taking out the whole waiting room lobby and then waiting for the cops to make their way through the automatic door.
Jackal
4th May 2008, 02:17 PM
The best thing to do in the hospital is to toss one of those motivo things (SP I know, you know the bottle and fire thingy) at someone near the entrance.
Once that person is on fire they squirm around spread fire. In a panic the other people try to leave but they catch on fire too.
Soon I had a whole lobby filled with blackend remains. lol
Capt.Toilet
4th May 2008, 03:33 PM
hrm. I have yet to experience a freeze or crash etc on my xbox.
I even left it running since 8am yesterday, all night, and it's still on (woke up and started to play again).
No issues on my end.
Were you connected to the internet during all this time. My crashes stopped once I disconnected and my roomate hasnt even connected his from day one and it hasnt crashed. Course no one on the 360 end has even stated if they were connected to the internet at the time of their crash either? Maybe it varies
Slainchild
4th May 2008, 03:38 PM
I've always been connected to XBL when playing, and it's never crashed or froze or anything.
Capt.Toilet
4th May 2008, 04:34 PM
I've always been connected to XBL when playing, and it's never crashed or froze or anything.
Cool then it sounds like a problem that plagues computer games. Doesnt matter how long you work on it, its bound to screw up on a couple of systems.
Iron Archer
4th May 2008, 04:56 PM
Ladies Love GTA (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33254719)
"Time to use the analog stick"
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
4th May 2008, 05:17 PM
Ladies Love GTA (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33254719)
"Time to use the analog stick"
:lol: the second couple having sex was freakin priceless.
"Thanks for watching, I'm erect!" :tup:
Kantham
4th May 2008, 05:41 PM
Ladies Love GTA (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33254719)
"Time to use the analog stick"
That one of the most hilarious **** ever. :tup:
Trynant
4th May 2008, 10:43 PM
Speaking of comedy, did anyone notice on the GTA TV they got stand-up comedians to play themselves on one of the channels? Ricky Gervais was one of them! (http://www.rickygervais.com/) :eek:
thewalkingman
5th May 2008, 12:05 AM
Speaking of comedy, did anyone notice on the GTA TV they got stand-up comedians to play themselves on one of the channels? Ricky Gervais was one of them! (http://www.rickygervais.com/) :eek:
Ipudge!
Thrash123
5th May 2008, 01:15 AM
Conan spoofed it (http://www.hulu.com/watch/18928/late-night-with-conan-obrien-more-grand-theft-auto-iv-5208#x-4,vclip,1).
(thanks, Hulu!)
Capt.Toilet
5th May 2008, 02:17 AM
Speaking of comedy, did anyone notice on the GTA TV they got stand-up comedians to play themselves on one of the channels? Ricky Gervais was one of them! (http://www.rickygervais.com/) :eek:
I caught the tail end of Katt Williams and I do mean the tail end. They announced his name and then he walked off the stage.
Angel_Mapper
5th May 2008, 04:05 AM
I guess my only complaint so far is the entire city feels kinda same-y. San Andreas had a lot more variety in locations.
The fire effects rock, and driving off in someone's car with them hanging off the door is immensely satisfying.
Wulff
5th May 2008, 08:56 AM
I love standing on the freeway with a desert eagle in Niko's hand, and headshot the driver. Best way to get a ride. The comedy club on the second Island has got appearances of Kat Williams and Ricky Gervais, visit it with Kiki to see Ricky Gervais, visit with packy to get Kat Williams.
Jacks:SmirkingRevenge
5th May 2008, 03:27 PM
I guess my only complaint so far is the entire city feels kinda same-y. San Andreas had a lot more variety in locations.
I agree, however their intent was clear to have a game based entirely in the heart of the nitty gritty sh*tty city. Liberty City as it exists now is a work of art, all the details are there and it's just as massive if not more than SA.
True, it's solid city for the most part but I think that's pretty cool just to have something different from the previous title.
Because really that's quite an accomplishment. Instead of building a few "mini" cities with a few somewhat open areas inbetween they constructed the largest city area I've ever seen (maybe that True Crime Streets of LA rivals it, that map was a monstrosity (http://www.mobygames.com/images/i/09/20/188120.jpeg) click that) in a game.
It's a personal thing I guess but it's great fun for me so far. After playing SA a couple months you knew every knook and cranny and side street. I'll be lost in Liberty 2.0 (remember, a child's version appeared in gta3) for awhile methinks.
Kantham
5th May 2008, 04:16 PM
Weird situation I just witnessed. A cop called in for a taxi, got in it, then asked the taxi driver to stop 10 meters away.
:eek: :lol:
Mozi
5th May 2008, 04:20 PM
I have not gotten to the second island but that's cool that Kat Williams is there his material is usually pretty good.
But I was playing last night and some hilarious **** happened. So I took Little Jacob out to eat, and then dropped him off at his place. As soon has he got out of the car, Little Jacob got hit by a police cruiser and flew a down the street for a couple of yards! :lol:
Still increased my rating with him but found absolutely funny that he got nailed but the cop car, got back up, and walked backed to his place like nothing happened.
Nines
5th May 2008, 08:23 PM
I just had a really random thing happen to me. I was cruising around Alderney in a Cavalcade when all of a sudden two black Huntley Sport's came at me at an intersection, attempting to run me off the road. I managed to get out of my car and get behind a solid fence. So what do they do? They started ramming the fence to get to me. In the end they both died from ramming the fence too hard. :lol:
What was so strange about it was the fact that it was a completely unprovoked attack and the Huntley's were driven by civilians.
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