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WishmasterNL
5th Mar 2008, 07:20 AM
Hey guys :)

Im Yaron from the Netherlands, im 17 years old and this is my first try with the UT3 Editor. (resized images to 800x600 sorry for the PopUps.)
I recommend to download the map, screenies never look good, I prefer to play a map :lol:
There still some texture faults in it, but I will fix that later.
Any suggestions/wishes are welcome!
Download: http://www.aura-clan.co.uk/Aura-Uploads/DM-Dako.rar
Thanks to [AURA] for the hosting.

Images:
http://wishmasterdesigns.nl/images/DM-Dako.png

http://wishmasterdesigns.nl/images/DAKO2.jpg

virgo47
5th Mar 2008, 09:14 AM
Not that bad from pictures for a first try! ;-) I'll check it later at home in-game/editor. Some architecture (especially on 3rd picture) are... over-interesting (=unreal ;-)), and some corridors are just way too corridorish (=long), but I can't judge it before I taste it.

I'll come up with feedback later.

WishmasterNL
5th Mar 2008, 09:24 AM
Thanks for the fast reply :)
And can't wait for the feedback, always interesting in comments :)

virgo47
5th Mar 2008, 12:56 PM
So, WishmasterNL, check the attached picture. I'm gonna mix general issues with details as they came to my eye during (I admit it) short walkthrough the level. ;-)

First thing first - you started with quite a big level really - I don't know for how many players you planned this but it's 8 and more if you ask me. And you carried it out into something that looks playable (I'm talking about measure of finish, not about quality now :-)). That's all good - many ppl can't get things so far. Now the worse part. ;-)

The map is big and plane on most places. You have generally 3 floor tiers here and they are all flat. No height variation on one particular level. See some other levels (even retail) how they go up and down - and find some extent how much you want your floor go up and down. It adds sort of "micro-z-axis". :-) Overall z-axis is fine, because you have big height differences here. You can question the realism of floors going up and down - of course, but your map has some architectural and realism issues as well, so we skip this part.

Biggest issue (for me) are long lines of sight. Corridors are long and straight, there is not too much cover. Especially "long&straight" is the problem here. Also second level in the center is wide open and also boring and bare. Scaling of meshes and textures is quite fine, but overal shape of the level is overscaled if you ask me. Long ways to walk. Make it a bit smaller and that will fix few things:
* less work when you want to add proper details in the map, less boring result;
* better and intense gameplay, less sniping;
* some structures will get smaller and more real... look at the bridges marked with #5 on the picture... way too long without proper support.

Shortly to the rest from the pic:
#1 minor thing - you can hit the lamp over the jumppad and it will kick you down - it's unlikely, but it happened to me, so it's possible ;-)
#2 support beams made of bricks... every structure like this made of bricks is always arch - rounded. Bricks would never hold like this. Also near the number, your beams don't touch the wall properly and also end half in the brick wall and half in the window. Unreal and ugly.
#3 watch the ramp from the side. Trim texture goes to sharp end there, looks wierd, other ramp (left bottom of the picture) has better trimming.
#4 generally, the map lacks more trimming. Many textures meet one another on the sharp edge which looks bad and it isn't realistic.
#5... long structures without proper support as I said.

I hope I didn't demotivate you because it wasn't my goal + you can work things out as I see. Try to rething some features of this map and definitely keep on mapping.

WishmasterNL
5th Mar 2008, 05:22 PM
Thanks for your feedback, Virgo47 :)

After reading this I really thought by myself... how could I be so stupid to not see those golden rules of mapping! (supports, unrealistic, almost no trimming)
I just didn't noticed it - I was way too busy, and made it way too fast (3 days) - Think that was my biggest problem.
I will change some things, and post then asap!
Thanks again for the feedback :)

virgo47
5th Mar 2008, 05:55 PM
Hehe, you can go for unrealistic things ... in a sci-fi. :-) With bricks it's harder.

And don't think only about those visible things. Think about gameplay aspects as well - they are "golden rules" too. I'm looking forward to your next iteration.

WishmasterNL
6th Mar 2008, 07:02 AM
That's the problem... I don't like sci-fi that much - There are just a few levels that have a really nice sci-fi look.
Ur totally right there - I still need to learn a lot about game play aspects ... but hey! Im just a beginner - and I think Im learning fast.

Got any tips for the map?

Sjosz
6th Mar 2008, 09:44 AM
Might download tonight and check it out.

virgo47
6th Mar 2008, 01:45 PM
Got any tips for the map?

I'll wait for another iteration - because I don't like layout that much to take care about pickup placement. So I'll try another version and tell more about gameplay then.

AsToRoTh
6th Mar 2008, 06:12 PM
#2 support beams made of bricks... every structure like this made of bricks is always arch - rounded. Bricks would never hold like this. Also near the number, your beams don't touch the wall properly and also end half in the brick wall and half in the window. Unreal and ugly.


Not true. I work in the building industry and the company I work for manufacture structural lintels with a "brick slip" front (that is 20mm thick bricks bonded to the concrete giving the effect of structural brick work). Just thought Id point that out :P

virgo47
7th Mar 2008, 01:47 AM
Not true. I work in the building industry and the company I work for manufacture structural lintels with a "brick slip" front (that is 20mm thick bricks bonded to the concrete giving the effect of structural brick work). Just thought Id point that out :P

Man, you've caught me on this - that's true! :-) Ok, author knows if they are bricks or that piece of plactic or what. ;-) Good point.

Melvin
9th Mar 2008, 04:24 PM
Funny, another guy from Stiens.

WishmasterNL
9th Mar 2008, 05:01 PM
Are you from Stiens too then ?:)

Melvin
9th Mar 2008, 05:03 PM
Are you from Stiens too then ?:)

Yep. A bit older tho, 24.