Sony just announced the price of the PS3 and its games [Archive]

tool

8th May 2006, 09:57 PM

Welcome back Tool :eek:

There was no mention of the games being 70 bucks. Id guess that they are going to be the same price as the xbox 360 so dont go spreading rumors dear.

thats what someone else said, I missed it offically because the feed was ****ting out from disbelief at how bad this all is.

Games that were shown:

Final Fantasy XIII
Gran Turismo 5
Gundamn
Tekken 6
Virtua Fighter 5
Metal Gear Solid 4 with Raiden being a complete and utter badass
eyetoy with myspace and card games - be ready to see some goth boobs on your HDTV!

and some other **** that I dont remember. some of it was clearly fake but no where near as bad as last year.

ZenPirate

8th May 2006, 10:08 PM

There is no way Sony can win this time. None.

Capt.Toilet

8th May 2006, 10:10 PM

MGS4 and Final Fantasy XIII were the only worthwhile games at that conference for me. Dont forget that FFXIII will be 3 games. 2 for ps3 and one for i think a handheld.

Airmoran

8th May 2006, 10:14 PM

Is it just me or do a lot of the games they showed... suck? Grand Turismo HD is perhaps a poor yet forgivable choice, seeing how it's just an upgraded PS2 game, the eyetoy thing really looks more conceptual than practical, but the rest really look standard fare without too much to get excited about. Another Tekken just isn't sense-tingling.

MGS4 we already know about, FF13 is a non-surprise... so where's the huge announcement? The motion-sensing controller?

Kantham

8th May 2006, 10:18 PM

Games that were shown:

Final Fantasy XIII
Gran Turismo 5
Gundamn
Tekken 6
Virtua Fighter 5
Metal Gear Solid 4 with Raiden being a complete and utter badass

Very Bad.

Gran Turismo used to be good before, i just don't like the game anymore.

Majik

8th May 2006, 10:20 PM

Gran Turismo HD (tech demo, GT4 in HD)
The Eye of Judgement (eyetoy game)
SingStar
Genji 2
Formula 1
Heavenly Sword
Lair
Getaway
Afrika (working title)
Hot Shots/Everybody's Golf
Monster Kingdom
Eight Days
Some game from Naughty Dog, no title given, Tomb Raider-ish
Resistance: Fall of Man
Assassins' Creed
Gundam World
Coded Arms: Assault
Ridge Racer 7
Brother in Arms
Tekken 6
Sonic the Hedgehog
Virtua Tennis 3
Virtua Fighter 5
Stranglehold
Fatal Inertia
Blade Storm
Armored Core 4
NBA Live 07, Tiger Woods and a bunch of other EA titles
Final Fantasy XIII
Metal Gear Solid 4
Warhawk

I think that's about the full list of games shown, some demonstrated real-time, the rest trailers.

_Zd_Phoenix_

8th May 2006, 10:24 PM

Sonic? Oh hell yes.

thewalkingman

8th May 2006, 10:26 PM

Why a 60gb hard drive?

Torvec

8th May 2006, 10:31 PM

only other game besides MGS4/FFXIII that looked interesting was that heavenly sword game, oh and Warhawk looked cool too...but i still doubt i'll be getting that system within the first year of it's release, so meh....:(

ZenPirate

8th May 2006, 10:33 PM

Why a 60gb hard drive?

So you can fit all the micropayment content, and bluray movie trailers...that is until hd-dvd kills it.

tool

8th May 2006, 10:36 PM

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

November 11th, 2006 avoid best buy

Hedge

8th May 2006, 10:54 PM

thewalkingman

8th May 2006, 11:10 PM

That is the Japan release. I don't know if they have given a US date yet, but I would bet that it would be a month later just in time for Christmas. However, if things work out the way which they usually do for consoles when they are first released then there will be a lot of unhappy kids being told that Santa Clause couldn't get his hands on a PS3 because no one had them in stock. :D

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2990/dsc24574ve.jpg

"Today we're pleased to announce the global PS3 launch details. We will make PS3 available via a two-configuration plan. One with a 60GB HD. And the other with a 20GB hard drive. Japan's date: Nov. 11. In Japan 59,800 Yen. The 60GB PS3 will have an open price which retailers will set. In North America: 20GB for $499, 60GB for $599. Europe has 20GB for 499 Euro, 60GB for 599 Euro. 2 million to ship worldwide during the launch window. 4 million by end of calendar year 2006. By March 31, 2007 they'll have shipped 6 million worldwide.

recap of video can be found here

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/08/engadget-and-joystiqs-live-coverage-of-sonys-playstation-3-e3-ev/

Jackal

8th May 2006, 11:18 PM

I will be first in line for one. Maybe 2 (the other to sell on Ebay for an extremely insane amount) Along with atleast 4 games and an HDMI cable for it.

ElectricSheep

8th May 2006, 11:21 PM

I will be first in line for one. Maybe 2 (the other to sell on Ebay for an extremely insane amount) Along with atleast 4 games and an HDMI cable for it.

Make sure you get the $599 version. The $499 lacks HDMI output, WiFi, and memory card/SD support.

Jackal

8th May 2006, 11:27 PM

DeathBooger

8th May 2006, 11:45 PM

Can't wait to laugh at the idiots that pay $2000 for a PS3 on eBay.

Soulja

8th May 2006, 11:48 PM

****in japs

:)

Jackal

8th May 2006, 11:51 PM

Can't wait to laugh at the idiots that pay $2000 for a PS3 on eBay.

Either can I...when I have the money.

Dr.Evil/ Muahhah. MUAHHAHAH \Dr.Evil

Majik

8th May 2006, 11:51 PM

It has a hdd, so a memory card is hardly essential for the purpose of saving games. I think the main point of the memory card support is interconnectivity with the psp and other devices like digital cameras.

Why they've omitted wifi support for the 20GB version is beyond me, however.

Leonardo

8th May 2006, 11:55 PM

****in japs

:)
:o :eek: :mad: Did you just Emote what I think you just emoted? :mad:
I think the price is outragous but no need to start getting.... well I'm not even gonna say it...

Soulja

9th May 2006, 12:05 AM

:o :eek: :mad: Did you just Emote what I think you just emoted? :mad:
I think the price is outragous but no need to start getting.... well I'm not even gonna say it...

It's a joke...rofl...I can't wait for the replies where its a douche who didnt read below my post and decided to flame me as soon as he saw it...

Jackal

9th May 2006, 12:10 AM

JAPS = Japanese Army Personel. I thought everyone knew this.

Airmoran

9th May 2006, 12:19 AM

I remember making the very same faux pas not soon after I first posted in this here forum. JAP actually means Jewish American Princess. It's an anti-semetic term.

Soulja, I hope you go rot in hell along with your idol Hitler, you nazi prick. :mad: :mad:

Sirius

9th May 2006, 12:40 AM

This is just not worth the money. I'll stick with my PC.
It would also be nice to see a game that didn't have a bloody number after it (UT2007 excluded :p )

Welcome back Tool how's the CATIA going?

tool

9th May 2006, 12:45 AM

This is just not worth the money. I'll stick with my PC.
It would also be nice to see a game that didn't have a bloody number after it (UT2007 excluded :p )

Welcome back Tool how's the CATIA going?

Been working on a crap load of stuff, finishing up a timberwolf from the battletech universe and an Omega battlecruiser from Babylon 5. So I am doing a lot of fun stuff in catia. I had a job interview for a position that uses Catia but that didnt work out because of someone with more experience. Otherwise I am just working on floor plan drawings in autocad as a fun hobby and posting stuff on a deviantart page of mine.

Do you have an e-mail address or IM program? I want to ask you a question.

JAPS = Japanese Army Personel. I thought everyone knew this.

JAPS = Jesus Ass Punchs

Bean316

9th May 2006, 12:56 AM

JAPs = Jewish American Princesses?

Bang_Doll

9th May 2006, 02:05 AM

JAP = Jump, Alpine Pocahontas

Enfyrneaux

9th May 2006, 02:09 AM

JAP = Jim's Accelerated Penetration

Bean316

9th May 2006, 02:32 AM

So I just saw it in IRC that you posted that. I can't belive that it wouldn't have HDMI output thou. Espcially being a HD device. And why would it lack memory card? That's the absolute basic thing on any game console. I don't know about that link that you posted in IRC, but that just seems a bit rediculous, no?
It will have the 20 GB HDD? And I'd assume w/ the network functionality, there may be some online storage system? But that HDMI is pretty rough.

The_Head

9th May 2006, 03:02 AM

Think I might buy one as soon as possible, then consider selling it :)

Enfyrneaux

9th May 2006, 03:08 AM

The lack of an HDMI connector on an HD-centric console does strike me as a bit odd. Are they using component outputs?

Personally I'd buy a PS3 if I had the money, if only to tinker with Linux on the Cell chip. For console gaming I'll go with the Wii.

BioBlizzard

9th May 2006, 03:41 AM

ps3 is really costly , guess i will have to wait and see how the games do and then think of buying one:D

rex

9th May 2006, 05:21 AM

For Gran Turismo 5, I can live with $499 :)

Sahkolihaa

9th May 2006, 07:20 AM

For Gran Turismo 5, I can live with $499 :)Erm, €499 you mean. That also means Europe gets charged the most. Congratulations Sony :rolleyes:

Majik

9th May 2006, 08:19 AM

Aww man, I just read that the controller doesn't even have dualshock vibrators.

rex

9th May 2006, 08:50 AM

I suppose it's used for the tilt sensors instead? I don't know. If it's a new version of the old controller I suppose you can just use the old ones, if vibrators mean that much?!

Elecy, I just read on a danish site that in DK the estimated prize will be around 375£, 503€. In US Dollars that's around 635$ for the 20GB version.
Man how can they screw us this badly? F*ck Sony...

FaT CaM

9th May 2006, 08:54 AM

tilt sensors? how can you play laying upsidedown or on your side?! RUINED!

Majik

9th May 2006, 09:01 AM

Well, yeah, the official explanation seems to be that it's interfering with the gyroscopic sensors, but doesn't the Wii have vibration as well? Wonder if it has anything to do with the lawsuit... Anyway, I'll get used to it I'm sure, it's just gonna be odd not having my controller get orgasms whenever I explode stuff.

Oh, and would you mind passing me an url to the DK site?

FaT CaM

9th May 2006, 09:06 AM

If i knew what you meant by DK site I'd certainly consider saying no!

Zheardok

9th May 2006, 09:23 AM

The E3 Sony press conference just ended a few minutes ago, the only key notes you need to know:

20gb Hard drive version = $500
60gb hard drive version = $600
Games = $70

ummm yeah no thanks sony i'm not buying this console anymore

That's ridiculous. Games shouldn't be that expensive, they are just interactive discs. They shouldn't be more than DVD's which, if I remember correctly, aren't much more than $15.00. And the price of the game system itself is something else.

BillyBadAss

9th May 2006, 09:36 AM

I am thinking of having my GF send me a few to sell on ebay until it comes out here.

Plumb_Drumb

9th May 2006, 09:40 AM

That's ridiculous. Games shouldn't be that expensive, they are just interactive discs. They shouldn't be more than DVD's which, if I remember correctly, aren't much more than $15.00. And the price of the game system itself is something else.
Don't forget that video games are developed by actual people that need to get paid.

Though, I think the actual disks are far cheaper than what you stated, for those not paying retail; especially for a publisher.

Zheardok

9th May 2006, 09:42 AM

Don't forget that video games are developed by actual people that need to get paid.

I have not forgotten.

Though, I think the actual disks are far cheaper than what you stated, for those not paying retail; especially for a producer.

:rolleyes:

rex

9th May 2006, 10:04 AM

Jackal

9th May 2006, 10:14 AM

I am thinking of having my GF send me a few to sell on ebay until it comes out here.

Goddamn you! Damn you to hell!

Aren't they japanese versions thou? I don't understand japanses fully yet :(

Majik

9th May 2006, 10:14 AM

DK = Denmark <- where I live :)

DK(danish) site: http://finans.tv2.dk/nyheder/article.php?id=4102716 Ofcourse in danish hehe :)

They mention the prize in Dkr(danish crowns directly translated) and, well I think you can all understand the numbers here: http://valutakurser.dk/ The numbers are the prize for 100$ in Dkr etc.

Jeg tror nu godt, at jeg kan forstå det. ;)

That article seems a bit faulty though, it mentions the US version retailing at 299$, which is obviously way off...

rex

9th May 2006, 10:29 AM

May be so. I don't know but I decide to trust TV2 as a trustworthy source. I mean rather than trusting Ekstra Bladet hehe :)

TomWithTheWeather

9th May 2006, 11:00 AM

$499 version:

- only 20 gig HD
- no Memory Stick, SD, or Compact Flash support
- no built-in Wi-Fi
- no HDMI (which means no 1080p)

$599 version:

- All the stuff plus 60 gig HD

:shake:

Kantham

9th May 2006, 11:04 AM

If it's 600 U.S dollar, we will have to pay it around 770 here in Canada, even more, do you imagine? plus the taxes. Screw them.

DaBeatard

9th May 2006, 11:15 AM

That price tag pretty disappointing. I knew it would be expensive, but $600? Damn. I wonder how much the Wii is going to cost.

Kantham

9th May 2006, 11:17 AM

Not as much as the PS3 IMO.

Renegade Retard

9th May 2006, 11:18 AM

Yeah, the prices are getting a bit rediculous, but as long as people are willing to fork it over.....

W0RF

9th May 2006, 11:22 AM

Each time I look at this news, I just get more baffled. How could Sony possibly think this is a workable business model?

Now it's time for Nintendo to come out and say, "Nintendo Wii, $150 at launch! How'd'ya like grandpa now?!?"

I also liked how Sony tried to paint MS as the odd man out in controller technology, as though a tilt sensor (probably an accelerometer) was equivalent to full motion-tracking capabilities.

TomWithTheWeather

9th May 2006, 11:36 AM

My guess is the Wii won't be more than $200 at launch.

Renegade Retard

9th May 2006, 11:44 AM

Interesting read:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/09/e32006_sony_high-stakes_high-res_ps3_gamble/

rex

9th May 2006, 02:04 PM

$499 version:

- only 20 gig HD
- no Memory Stick, SD, or Compact Flash support
- no built-in Wi-Fi
- no HDMI (which means no 1080p)

$599 version:

- All the stuff plus 60 gig HD

:shake:
F*ck Sony even more. They force us to buy the damn expensive version with this kind of sheit. Seriously I doubt I will even think of getting it before a year after launch now.

MrSmiles

9th May 2006, 02:41 PM

and if i get any console i'm getting a wii

8-4-7-2

9th May 2006, 02:45 PM

Erm, €499 you mean. That also means Europe gets charged the most. Congratulations Sony :rolleyes:
That's what I was thinking too.
But a lot of computer hardware is converted 1:1 :(

499$ is really 391€ !

Nemephosis

9th May 2006, 02:53 PM

:eek:!!!

Six hundred dollars?!

No way. No bloody way. I'll be buying the games, and then wait to buy the console until it comes down in price. Then I'll have the games to play. But there's no way in hell I'm dropping that much on a PS3. I see Nintendo winning this generation's console war.

pwnghetti & leetballs

9th May 2006, 03:04 PM

Is it just me or do a lot of the games they showed... suck? Grand Turismo HD is perhaps a poor yet forgivable choice, seeing how it's just an upgraded PS2 game

Seriously... It's so easy to achieve the realistic look in racing games, it's a flat friggin track with static car models and no animations besides turning/rotating wheels. All you really have to worry about is textures and lighting. The game looks no different than the PS2 version IMO.

Bean316

9th May 2006, 03:13 PM

If I had to guess how this kinda works, I think they are counting on the hardcore community to buy the initial shipments. I think they are also going to really work the premium angle. With the money people are spending on home electronics (especially HDTVs), I think they are going to play the whole "You need TRUE HD tech for an HD era" or crap like that.

I read on Gamer Dad that if MS made the 360 a little more expensive, they would have still sold out, but made more money, and kept out a few people initially, so they don't feel as bad when they get shut out of the system. I think that's what Sony is trying here. They'll sell out absolutely, and when they get production in line, they can drop price to a point where they don't totally eat it, and then start moving units.

In any case, it sure will be interesting to see how this works out.

MrSmiles

9th May 2006, 03:37 PM

bean, that makes sense

sell them high for the "die hard" gamers, then drop the price for everyone else

Slainchild

9th May 2006, 03:51 PM

Somehow I doubt little Timmy's parents will be willing to spend $500 on his christmas or birthday present.

JaFO

9th May 2006, 04:23 PM

somehow I'm sure that little whining fan-boy Timmy will get his PS3 for Christmass even if it cost double ...

I mean .. if someone's willing to pay more than double the original retail-price for a 360 Premium on e-bay, why would they'd be scared by the "high" retail-price for the PS3 ?

So don't underestimate the stupidity of (grand)parents ...

Nemephosis

9th May 2006, 04:36 PM

Like I said I'll just be stocking up on games, and getting the system when I can actually afford it. That's just ridiculous.

Hadmar

9th May 2006, 05:24 PM

That's what I was thinking too.
But a lot of computer hardware is converted 1:1 :(

499$ is really 391€ !
Aye. I heard a theory about that a couple of times: Europe finances the low prices in the USA. I realy have to do the math someday (import taxes, VAT, differences in warrantee, whatever else I can think of) to see just how much the price realy differs.

AriTheDog

9th May 2006, 06:29 PM

Like I said I'll just be stocking up on games, and getting the system when I can actually afford it. That's just ridiculous.

Wouldn't it make more sense to buy the games when they come down in price, or alternately used, when you can actually play them?

Anyway, I already wasn't particulary interested, but with the non-crippled version of the hardware costing $600, and $70 games, I think I'll stick to my PC and probably buy a WII so I can ask my friends if they want to play with my Wii laffo 55555. I'm sure there is a large retarded hardcore Playstation fan group who will eat up the premium price and feel very proud of their prestigious luxury video game system.

JaFO

9th May 2006, 06:44 PM

Like I said I'll just be stocking up on games, and getting the system when I can actually afford it. That's just ridiculous.
I doubt it will go down in price within a year, unless they consider the 360 a serious threat.
Given the price they're starting at I think they're counting on the Japanese & the Sony-fanboys in the rest of the world to ignore both the 360 and wii.

ilkman

10th May 2006, 12:58 AM

All the hype about the PS3 has failed on me. I am hardly unimpressed except from a technical standpoint. I will not be buying one for a long time until they can prove it is a system worth buying.

My money will be going towards either a Wii or an Xbox360.

Sooner or later people will realize that hype and fluff isnt enough to sell people anymore. A lot of people, at least in the gamer crowd it seems, are smarter and less susceptible to marketing hype then most people.

Soulja

10th May 2006, 01:06 AM

If JAP means Jewish American Princesses, I've seen way too many, and they are all over MTV. So **** them too! GO PREJUDICE!!!! And yes, I am a nazi prick, god I just hate the ****ing jews, even my girlfriend considering shes one. Yeah **** my girlfriend...

Trynant

10th May 2006, 01:15 AM

I might seriously doubt my consideration of the possibility buying a PS3 in its launching year. Actually, I'm not going to by a $600 piece of ****. That money is going for that ghey Wii and about 8 launch games for it. I'm not buying the 360 until Halo 3 (maybe), and I'm sure as hell not buying a PS3 for that amount of money for so little result.

What is Sony thinking?

rex

10th May 2006, 03:59 AM

...
What is Sony thinking?
I think Sony is trying out a new POOP strategy. Piss Off Ordinary People with new and refreshing high prizes, never seen before.

OICW

10th May 2006, 04:30 AM

Look, buying a console right at launch, whether it's from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo is always a bad idea. The console will be more expensive, there'll be fewer A-title games available (even successful console launch titles aren't particularly impressive usually) and there'll be hardware/software bugs to sort out.

Just have some patience and wait for the price drop; you'll pay less and have more for games or other things.

AriTheDog

10th May 2006, 04:34 AM

Zaccix

10th May 2006, 07:45 AM

Never underestimate Sony's marketing ability, and their ability to hype a product way beyond its capabilities.

ilkman

10th May 2006, 10:33 AM

Never underestimate Sony's marketing ability, and their ability to hype a product way beyond its capabilities.

I think we all remember last years E3 quite well. The trouble is that their marketing bucket had holes in it and as time went on, it couldnt hold water. Most consumers now see that.

Sony is the company that people love to hate nowdays. It is the one in the limelight. SoE skrews things over for gamers, the rootkit created a nice bond between Sony and music lovers, and I'm sure that there are plenty of other associations that Sony has developed that make people love it all the more.

I think a large portion of that price is because of blu-ray. Sony is trying desperatly to get it accepted as the next-gen storage medium. A standalone blu-ray player with its discs are mightily expensive. Throw that in with a console that has all new "next-gen" hardware, and its going to cost a lot to produce.

Soulja

10th May 2006, 12:05 PM

I believe you are mistaking this website for Stormfront!

Woops sorry!

ReD_Fist

10th May 2006, 12:29 PM

My only take on price is when I bought my nintendo,it came with Mario Brothers.When I got my sega it came with Sonic The Hedgehog, Afer working on audio since 1978 my opinion of sony is they make junk just throw away crap stereos wich break in about 3years,Aiwa and jvc are also the most crappy things around too.

But in light of that ,sony was the first one to NOT give out a free game when you bought thier console wich I would never buy a "ps" anything because of that.
So if Xbox would give out a free game thats what I would buy, or nintendo, if they gave out 3 games for the Xbox on the lower end model they would clean house over sony.Even if 2 of the games were stupid games.

And at 500, 600 bucks I would rather invest in My PC or my car for that matter.

W0RF

10th May 2006, 12:57 PM

Never underestimate Sony's marketing ability, and their ability to hype a product way beyond its capabilities.
OMG FF8!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/w0rf47/ff8screen.jpg

... oh, wait...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/w0rf47/ff8game.jpg

Israphel

10th May 2006, 05:11 PM

It's a lot of money..but we all know that Sony's marketing department know their stuff.

People WILL queue up to buy it, Sony WILL shift units by the bucketload..whether it's worth the price is irelevent. Something is worth what people will pay for it...and people will pay for this.

A mate of mine shelled out loads on an XBOX 360...but then realised he couldn't really appreciate it's graphics on his crappy TV, so had to shell out again for a TV that made the games look like they are supposed to.

I'll stick with my computer...unless games that I simply can't live without come to a console...then I might consider it. But right now all I'm interested in is UT2007 and Quake Wars, I'm upgrading my computer anyway, so there's no attraction in either console at the moment.

JaFO

10th May 2006, 05:19 PM

Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
Tellsell and all those other 'buy our crap'-channels still continue to do well, despite the fact that everyone with half a braincell ought to know its pure crap they're selling.
Likewise the common people will buy into Sony's (or MS's or Nintendo's) marketing regardless of what common sense ought to tell them by now.

Heck ... they voted for Bush / Blair / Hitler when there was more at stake than a few hundred dollars of cash.

sid

10th May 2006, 05:22 PM

Welcome back Tool

The prices live upto my estimation.

Capt.Toilet

10th May 2006, 06:54 PM

Instead of going :eek: over the price, do what im doing. Get the $499 version, throw away the 20gig hardrive and put in a monster hardrive. Problem solved :D

igNiTion

10th May 2006, 07:20 PM

Anybody know if the PS2 price is going to be lowered upon release? Screw the new stuff I still gotta get the old.

TomWithTheWeather

10th May 2006, 07:39 PM

Instead of going :eek: over the price, do what im doing. Get the $499 version, throw away the 20gig hardrive and put in a monster hardrive. Problem solved :D
What Sony doesn't want you to know is that the difference with the cheaper version isn't just a smaller harddisk, you'll be missing out on flashcards, WiFi, and no 1080p High Def. For $100 less, they'll nerf your PS3. And you still paid $500.

$499 version:

- only 20 gig HD
- no Memory Stick, SD, or Compact Flash support
- no built-in Wi-Fi
- no HDMI (which means no 1080p)

$599 version:

- All the stuff plus 60 gig HD

:shake:

ReD_Fist

11th May 2006, 01:55 PM

What Sony doesn't want you to know is that the difference with the cheaper version isn't just a smaller harddisk, you'll be missing out on flashcards, WiFi, and no 1080p High Def. For $100 less, they'll nerf your PS3. And you still paid $500.

All they do when you look at pcboards youl see the same exact things as the best model.Then all they do is youl see places ware chips arn't solderd on but the solder pads are there.Youl also see holes cut for buttons wich they use a different faceplate with less holes and places on the boards ware switches could be soldered in.
And that nowdays it's accros the board weather it be washing machines or stereos or mother boards or tv's.You just pay for more chips and shuffle the plastic around.Or an added display or led's.

JaFO

11th May 2006, 04:52 PM

So ?
There's no way you can get the missing chips and have the capability to add them for a mere $100. That 60Gb 2,5" SATA-drive (probably with custom-formatting like MS) is going to cost more than the price difference.

It's exactly like the 360. The 'cheap' version only exist so they can say there's a cheap option. In reality only the expensive 'premium' is required if you actually want to use the system.

Larkin

12th May 2006, 01:43 PM

Sony and Microsoft has lost their F****ing minding if they think that their prices are exceptable. $400 bucks for a X-BOX360 and $600 bucks for a PS3 Please. I say NEXT!

W0RF

12th May 2006, 02:00 PM

What's even better, Kutaragi says you're getting a break, $600 is "too cheap".

_Zd_Phoenix_

12th May 2006, 02:11 PM

chances are that ps3 will have more games ill like on it, and so i might end up buying one (I had some interest in the revolution before I found out about the controller - no.) but it certainly won't be at the release.

JaFO

12th May 2006, 03:02 PM

Sony and Microsoft has lost their F****ing minding if they think that their prices are exceptable. $400 bucks for a X-BOX360 and $600 bucks for a PS3 Please. I say NEXT!
The 360-release has proven that these prices are not only acceptable.
They could easily ask for more ... (e-bay was practically filled with people selling their 360 for $600+ ...)

Mister_Prophet

12th May 2006, 04:05 PM

I'm getting a Wii.

pwnghetti & leetballs

12th May 2006, 04:08 PM

Sony and Microsoft has lost their F****ing minding if they think that their prices are exceptable. $400 bucks for a X-BOX360 and $600 bucks for a PS3 Please. I say NEXT!

Meanwhile to build a gaming PC capable of the same graphics and frame rates, you will need to spend well into the $2000 range.

It's not bad when you think of it that way. +MGS4 man, MGS4!!! That's worth the price alone.

Sir_Brizz

12th May 2006, 04:34 PM

Larkin

12th May 2006, 06:58 PM

What's even better, Kutaragi says you're getting a break, $600 is "too cheap".

Kutaragi is a retard!

Jackal

12th May 2006, 07:15 PM

I'm sure the HDDVD addon for the 360 will be around 100$. So if you were to get that, plus the premium 360, that's what 500$? Plus you have to pay for Online play. Then you have to get the HD output cables (60-70$). So that just adds to the price.

PS3 is a HD DVD player out of the box (and sinlge blu-ray players are selling for over 1000$), plus you get FREE online play. The PS3 is also backwards compatible with DVD and PS2 games. Also, the Blu-Ray player in the PS3 upconverts normal DVDs to 1080i.

So yeah, it does cost alot. But considering what you are getting in the final product, I think it's fair. If you don't want to get a HD DVD player, then don't. Wait for one to come down in price in 5 years so that you can afford it.

Stupid? Maybe. But I am a techno geek guy. I love all this new technology. I spend a huge amount of my time watching tv and playing games on my 60" HDTV. It's worth it to me. I'll be first in line.

Ice Dragoon

12th May 2006, 08:05 PM

Looking forward to the game; not the prices.
In other words: Looks good but way too much money!

Larkin

12th May 2006, 11:34 PM

Why did Sony add blu-ray and HD-DVD to their gaming console. These things add nothing to the gaming experience I think and only add to the price of the console. Without this s**t it would cost $200-300 I bet.

They say:
blu-ray will make loading times less.

I say: Do I have to pay for it? What that you say, yes I do? Oh, well in that case I don't want it.

For the HD-DVD that idea is just stupid. I'm just fine with how it looks without it.
Thanks, but no thanks.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if your competitor comes out with a product and they price it at $400 bucks, that you should price yours at that price or below
to stay competitive. Sony is just being retarded pricing theirs at $600 bucks, $200 bucks more then their competitor Microsoft.

ZenPirate

12th May 2006, 11:38 PM

Sony added bluray to their console to push their proprietary format. Not that it will help them any. HD-DVD will win because they can be pressed with the existing equipment mnaufaacturers use to press regular dvd movies, and movie studios are starting to press dvds with HD-DVD on one side of the disc, and traditional dvd format on the other side.

Larkin

12th May 2006, 11:46 PM

Sony added bluray to their console to push their proprietary format. Not that it will help them any.

So they pushing their format ah. Why don't they push it on a DVD player or something.

HD-DVD will win because they can be pressed with the existing equipment mnaufaacturers use to press regular dvd movies, and movie studios are starting to press dvds with HD-DVD on one side of the disc, and traditional dvd format on the other side.

I still don't want it. They can push it all they want
Also, I don't see what HD-DVD has to do with gaming just seems like a reason to raise the price to me. But I said that before

Leonardo

13th May 2006, 12:25 AM

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7017/bobbarkerspamcontrol4ya.jpg

FTW as a permentive strike against Sony and The PS III

Traxis

13th May 2006, 12:31 AM

Also, I don't see what HD-DVD has to do with gaming just seems like a reason to raise the price to me. But I said that before

It doesn't have anything to do with gaming, but it adds to the appeal to the console. A lot of people's first DVD player was their PS2, for example.

Fuct

13th May 2006, 01:30 AM

I want my winning eleven please.

ilkman

13th May 2006, 01:33 AM

When comparing pricing between a PC and one of these next-gen consoles, lets not forget that in order to get the maximum benefit from these 'graphical powerhouses' the user needs to purchase a high resolution HD enabled TV. That alone is several hundred to several thousand dollars depending on what you buy. So, that $600 console you bought is akin to a brand new video card for a PC. The HD enabled TV then would be the rest of the PC. Not to mention you have your audio system to consider in this whole pricing scheme, and any miscellanious peripherals.

So, with all this new technology it is actually making it so that consoles are catching up to PC's in price with less functionality as a PC. This may be why Microsoft and Sony are touting their systems as home media centers as well so they can promise more functionality for a cheaper price then a PC.

I know Im probably wrong here, or exagerating, but my point is that there is a lot more to consider in the pricing then just the console itself. You need a whole lot more to play it, and even more then that to get the most out of it in order to be able to bring it to a level where you can compare it to a PC in both graphics and functionality.

JaFO

13th May 2006, 02:35 AM

Why are you comparing it to a PC? Next year I'll spend $400 on upgrading and be half a million times better than the Xbox 360. Any upgrading I do after that won't matter because I already beat it outright. People that are spending $2,000 on PCs typically don't know that they are getting ripped off about as much as a person can be. I think anyone that has a PC from the last three years could spend $400-$500 upgrading right now and beat an Xbox 360 as well, aside from all the other things a PC can do besides gaming.
only problem is that after 2 years you can't play the games at maximum detail anymore so you need to waste the same amount just to continue to play the newly released games for that platform.
With a console you can continue to buy new games even near the end of its live.

And never mind the price of a console vs pc.
The real reason to use a console to play games is that you won't have to install anything or worry about having the latest drivers/security-updates.
No need to worry about whether that latest 'copy-protection' on your latest game didn't foul up any of the rest of the software ...

Real plug&play gaming.
So what if I can't download yet another crappy pre-beta mod for my games ?

And as for 'paying' to play. There's a reason Sony needs to have the internet-connection as 'free' as possible : blu-ray needs it for its DRM-features. That's how they're going to prevent you from playing "illegal" discs ('illegal' being anything they didn't get paid for). Also consider the possibillities of data-mining (what games and movies did the sucker play ?)

If people had to pay for internet for their console then those things would be impossible ...

Ice Dragoon

13th May 2006, 10:12 AM

the only thing I can think of for the PS3 is to wait.
If we wait them Sony will come to their scences and lower the prices.
thats how I got a PS1 and a PS2

W0RF

13th May 2006, 10:13 AM

only problem is that after 2 years you can't play the games at maximum detail anymore so you need to waste the same amount just to continue to play the newly released games for that platform.
With a console you can continue to buy new games even near the end of its live.
This is certainly valid but the difference in quality has always been more of a factor. If anyone's closing the gap, I think it's actually Microsoft, their 360 games at E3 looked absolutely gorgeous. And they're actually pushing to unify the gaming experience, so they're looking at an inclusive market, not one to defeat the PC (probably because they make the dominant OS right now). Having said that, the cost of maintaining a top-end PC is a couple thou every couple years, true. But a mid-level PC you could maintain for only $100 or so a year, with a well-planned upgrade path. I was playing UT2004 on a 1.4GHz Tbred until just three months ago. And the games were the only thing taxing the PC that hard, it does a thousand other things without batting an eyelash.

So there are parts where the analogy works, and parts where it falls apart.

pwnghetti & leetballs

13th May 2006, 10:52 AM

I think anyone that has a PC from the last three years could spend $400-$500 upgrading right now and beat an Xbox 360 as well, aside from all the other things a PC can do besides gaming.

Three years? Give me a break. That was what, when the Geforce FX series was top of the line?

New games like Ghost Recon: AW bring even a top of a line PC to it's knees, while the Xbox version is a lot smoother with pretty much the same eye candy.

Trust me, I'll be the first one to defend PC's, I've been a PC gamer all my life, and I don't even own an Xbox anymore.

But it's the truth, in terms of games only, you get a lot more for your money going with a console, even a $600 console. No one was talking about upgrading. But even with upgrading, the cost of that top of the line video card is always around $500+ and that's just the video card! And we all know how quickly PC hardware becomes obsolete. That card will be replaced by something better in a few months down the road.

Jackal

13th May 2006, 11:05 AM

Plus its cool to get all your buddies around play Football on the big tv. Something you can't do with PCs.

I'm a FPS/Driving guy thou, so it doesn't apply.

ZenPirate

13th May 2006, 11:58 AM

Plus its cool to get all your buddies around play Football on the big tv. Something you can't do with PCs.

I'm a FPS/Driving guy thou, so it doesn't apply.

Why not? A modern gaming pc is more than capable of using a hi-def tv, and home theater system for gaming. Add the usb receiver being released for the xbox 360 wireless controllers, and you're good to go.

Sir_Brizz

13th May 2006, 12:34 PM

Three years? Give me a break. That was what, when the Geforce FX series was top of the line?
The 9800Pro. I didn't upgrade until the last month, $500 caught me up in mobo, graphics, ram, processor, dvd drive, case. What else do you need to buy in succeeding generations?? It's really your FIRST investment that costs the most, I only bought as much as I did because I wanted a second computer for my wife to use.
New games like Ghost Recon: AW bring even a top of a line PC to it's knees, while the Xbox version is a lot smoother with pretty much the same eye candy.
Wait..... WHAT?????
But it's the truth, in terms of games only, you get a lot more for your money going with a console, even a $600 console. No one was talking about upgrading. But even with upgrading, the cost of that top of the line video card is always around $500+ and that's just the video card! And we all know how quickly PC hardware becomes obsolete. That card will be replaced by something better in a few months down the road.
The console is comparable to a video card purchase. Sure, I can play the 360 on my standard resolution TV and I'm sure it will be just fine, but come on. To get the full potential out of any new console I HAVE TO HAVE an HD-ready TV, and those things are not cheap. Just like every thing that surrounds the Video Card gets pricey. So, I can spend $1200 on a TV and $400 on a 360 right now to get better than Xbox generation graphics, or I can spend $500 upgrading to what may be sub par parts in 6 months and have all of the functions of a PC available to me as well as better than Xbox generation graphics without the limitations of a TV set.

I'm not saying that consoles are bad, I have them. But you can't say X console is a better investment than upgrading your PC. It just doesn't work.

Daedalus

13th May 2006, 01:17 PM

Honestly? The 360 and PS3 really aren't showing me anything aside from graphics that are making me going "Wow" like the Wii is. I'm basically paying Sony $600 so I can play a bunch of sequels to games. I think this is the last straw for sony, one more slip up like this and they're done.

ilkman

13th May 2006, 01:27 PM

pwnghetti & leetballs

13th May 2006, 01:28 PM

Have you played GRAW on PC? Performance is absolutely horrid, and the graphics aren't all that amazing.

And the television has nothing to do with anything. High def televisions are becoming the standard these days, and they really aren't expensive at all. The THIN ones (plasma/LCD), yes, but the CRT ones, no. And with better technology these days CRT's don't even take up that much space. Have you seen the Samsung thin CRT's? They are quite impressive. And you gotta remember that an HDTV is A LOT bigger than the average PC display, and also serves as a television/movie projector that multiple people throughout the room can enjoy.

A comparable PC display will cost you hundreds of dollars as well, and it's not fun to crowd around a PC with friends to watch movies.

Another point, you should have no problem hooking up your console to your PC monitor, in fact a lot of people use their Xbox 360's on the Sony FW900 24" CRT monitor and it looks spectacular.

That pretty much takes the display out of the argument. Monitors can be shared between console and PC, and HDTV's can be shared between console and PC.

Are you telling me that you bought all of those components you listed for $500? You pretty much listed a whole entire PC except for HD and PSU. I wanna know what truck they fell off of, because that's impossible, unless you are buying weak budget components, and I doubt your $500 budget PC will be pushing out PS3 equivalent graphics and frame rates.

And I can easily say it's a better investment (once again FOR GAMES ONLY - not editing) to buy a console for games than a PC. (both from scratch - not upgrading) PS2 has been around what, 6-7 years and is still pumping out decent looking games. PS3 is going to have a ton of life in it, especially with games running in 1080p, and we have barely scratched the surface of what this machine is capable of. Add to that the kazillion developers that are making games for it, but more important, the console EXCLUSIVE GAMES(MGS4 HOLY CRAP) and you easily have a better investment than PC(FOR GAMES ONLY!)

This is a no brainer. You KNOW that building a top of the line PC today is at the very least $2000... And the $600 PS3 will be pumping out equivalent graphics at identical or even better performance since it is unified hardware and you don't have to deal with a million different hardware/driver configurations.

PC's on the other hand are all about the editing. But as for this argument, I took editing out of the question. We're talking gameplay ONLY here.

Sir_Brizz

13th May 2006, 02:43 PM

And the television has nothing to do with anything. High def televisions are becoming the standard these days, and they really aren't expensive at all. The THIN ones (plasma/LCD), yes, but the CRT ones, no. And with better technology these days CRT's don't even take up that much space. Have you seen the Samsung thin CRT's? They are quite impressive. And you gotta remember that an HDTV is A LOT bigger than the average PC display, and also serves as a television/movie projector that multiple people throughout the room can enjoy.
It has everything to do with everything. By logistics alone, me playing Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory on my PC in 1600x1200 is going to look better than playing it on my Xbox at 1080i. The type of PC purchase you are describing would be playing any top of the line game today at AT LEAST 1280x1024 without hiccuping. I say that, because for $2000 I could get a dual SLI box with a dual core processor, and even GRAW couldn't put that thing through it's paces.
A comparable PC display will cost you hundreds of dollars as well, and it's not fun to crowd around a PC with friends to watch movies.
Of course it would, but try buying a TV that's over 25" that is HD ready for under $1,000. I won't even mention the fact that you can hook the PC through the TV, or even buy a Media extender and use your PC for whatever you want while still having it available for the TV. There really is no argument that a console serves this purpose better.

In fact, with a PC you can build a DVR. I have yet to see a console that has the power necessary to do that.
PS2 has been around what, 6-7 years and is still pumping out decent looking games.
As far as I'm concerned, this "point" makes the rest of your post worthless to read. If you think that the PS2 has even had sub-par graphics over the last 5 years, you have something seriously wrong with your eyes.

Mister_Prophet

13th May 2006, 04:08 PM

As far as I'm concerned, this "point" makes the rest of your post worthless to read. If you think that the PS2 has even had sub-par graphics over the last 5 years, you have something seriously wrong with your eyes.

Uh...How about no Scott?

Airmoran

13th May 2006, 05:29 PM

Personally, I'm just impressed you guys have managed to continue the "Console vs. PC" debate. It usually breaks down the instant you try to compare specs.

pwnghetti & leetballs

13th May 2006, 07:25 PM

I say that, because for $2000 I could get a dual SLI box with a dual core processor, and even GRAW couldn't put that thing through it's paces.

A8N32 SLI Deluxe
Athlon X2 4400+
SLI 7800 GT's overclocked CO Editions
2GB Low latency 2-3-2-6 OCZ RAM
Dual 150GB Raptors
X-Fi sound

Frame rate between 20 and 25 fps in GRAW demo running at 1280x1024 with MEDIUM texture detail, because the friggin game requires a 512MB card to even run with high texture detail(unless you do some ini tweaking)... No AA, because the game doesn't even support it because of the HDR, yet the Xbox 360 manages both HDR and AA with smoother frame rates to boot!

Anywho, enough arguing, it's pointless. Next gen consoles are FAR cheaper than equivalent PC's, even the $600 PS3. It will never have to be upgraded and games will continue to impress for years to come. And we haven't even seen what they are fully capable of. But even the first generation games are shaping up to have excellent visuals and frame rates.

Sir_Brizz

13th May 2006, 07:46 PM

Frame rate between 20 and 25 fps in GRAW demo running at 1280x1024 with MEDIUM texture detail, because the friggin game requires a 512MB card to even run with high texture detail(unless you do some ini tweaking)... No AA, because the game doesn't even support it because of the HDR, yet the Xbox 360 manages both HDR and AA with smoother frame rates to boot!
Try turning the resolution down to 1024x768, we are trying to be afair, aren't we?

Also, let's not forget that the console version of a game doesn't necessarily contain the "highest resolution" textures. In fact, the Splinter Cell games on Xbox have significantly lower texture quality then the PC version simply because they figure you aren't going to notice on a TV screen. And you pretty much aren't.

Also, I can almost guarantee you that neither the 360 nor the PS3 will be able to do Anti Aliased HDR. If you read up on the prospects of that you will find that there isn't any hardware currently available that could do that realtime without seriously impacting framerates.

pwnghetti & leetballs

13th May 2006, 08:12 PM

Also, I can almost guarantee you that neither the 360 nor the PS3 will be able to do Anti Aliased HDR. If you read up on the prospects of that you will find that there isn't any hardware currently available that could do that realtime without seriously impacting framerates.

Sure there is, the Xbox 360 already does it with GRAW and Oblivion. It has to do with the video card architecture. I was just reading about this today on hardforum.

Apparently the newest ATI cards can do it, but not nvidia. But it also has to do with the type of HDR. Ever try HL2 lost coast? HDR works perfect with full blown AA enabled whether you have nvidia or ATI. But that's because it's a different type of HDR.

"FP16" HDR + AA is not possible, at least not with nvidia cards.

Sir_Brizz

13th May 2006, 09:56 PM

Have some proof? Screenshots of HDR with AA off on nVida card alongside those with it on on ATI cards look pretty much identical. I'm guessing that ATI is using some form of Bloom to give the illusion of true HDR. And, of course, Bloom is alot easier to AA than HDR is.

Jackal

13th May 2006, 10:08 PM

60" Sony SXRD LCoS 1080p 1920x1080 with HDMI = 4400
Top of the line PC for me = 4000
PS3 with 3 games = 900

You decide.

TV's already paid for thou too.

Sir_Brizz

14th May 2006, 12:47 AM

It seems like more what is under scrutinyis what exactly top of the line is.

If it's "comparable to the PS3", then $4,000 is REALLY pushing it, even right now.

Jackal

14th May 2006, 07:53 AM

no, that's just my PC.

There is no way I think you could get the graphics and framerate of PS3 on a PC with only the 512mb or ram.

The PS3 has hardware and software designed for it to work extremely well. While the PC has to be all sorts of things compatible with each other. So to compare the 2 really doesn't do you any good.

Simple fact is thou.... they aren't going to change their price. There's nothing you can do about it. Good luck getting one when they first come out.

Ice Dragoon

14th May 2006, 05:57 PM

This is certainly valid but the difference in quality has always been more of a factor. If anyone's closing the gap, I think it's actually Microsoft, their 360 games at E3 looked absolutely gorgeous. And they're actually pushing to unify the gaming experience, so they're looking at an inclusive market, not one to defeat the PC (probably because they make the dominant OS right now). Having said that, the cost of maintaining a top-end PC is a couple thou every couple years, true. But a mid-level PC you could maintain for only $100 or so a year, with a well-planned upgrade path. I was playing UT2004 on a 1.4GHz Tbred until just three months ago. And the games were the only thing taxing the PC that hard, it does a thousand other things without batting an eyelash.

So there are parts where the analogy works, and parts where it falls apart.
It sounds like your saying that if you wait, then the games kinda rot or loose their momentum. right?

ReD_Fist

17th May 2006, 03:38 PM

All this talk about blue ray disks, all it is ,is blue light has a smaller size (in angstroms) so you can fit more data on the same given disk size.
2 formats of these high density disks are out and of course the "standard" is being fought over.
Nothing to do with proprietary reasons, or copy gaurds, it the new thing, like putting extra stuff on there.
Not sure, but you have to look it up but i think blue ray is one sided, the other format is 2 sided, .
I still take a pc over any console.

And, they have to price them high so a year from now they have room to play with the price, as well as how good people like it, or how many they sold.

Sir_Brizz

17th May 2006, 04:30 PM

I read an article yesterday that said when Sony had hit the 103 million PS2's sold mark, 70 million of them had bought them after Sony dropped the price to $299.

Ice Dragoon

17th May 2006, 04:50 PM

the way red describes it. it just sounds like a fancy file compresor and the ps3 is just a fancy compressed file reader.
Makes perfect scence

ilkman

17th May 2006, 05:44 PM

Blu-ray, HD-DVD...pfff.... :rolleyes:

I'll be impressed when holographic data (http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/443/ashley.html) storage becomes available.

Ice Dragoon

17th May 2006, 05:50 PM

wow
Tough crowd. well if sony doesn't lower their prices, then their empire will crumble. its just that simple.

ReD_Fist

17th May 2006, 10:44 PM

Well, they invented the blue LED wich was very very difficult, took a loooong time.(remember when red LED's came out?)
So after that a few years ago they got a blue light laser, all those so called lasers in a cd player are 4 diodes, Light Emmiting Diodes, front back and 2 side ones then all tuned through optics.

I don't know that much, burners etc etc, but blue light is a thin beam, as you go higher up to non visble light or down from red to heat to radio waves.

So you can just cram more stuff on a disk, pretty cool actually.

Nemephosis

17th May 2006, 11:51 PM

I'll be waiting for a price drop. I'll grab the one game I'm interested in and then it'll sit in my closet until I get the machine. The game is Tekken 6.

And MAYBE WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2007, but that's also being released for the XBOX360 and the PS2 (yes, two generations of consoles.) So I might just get the PS2 version yet and then hold out on the PS3 a year. I know there'll probably be a Tekken 7 and it won't be within one year. Two maybe three.

Sir_Brizz

18th May 2006, 01:30 AM

Reciprocity

18th May 2006, 01:41 AM

60" Sony SXRD LCoS 1080p 1920x1080 with HDMI = 4400
Top of the line PC for me = 4000
PS3 with 3 games = 900

So I'm going to end up blowing nearly a grand just to keep up with the latest and greatest of the gaming industry?

/me contemplates the word "euphemism".

W0RF

18th May 2006, 08:50 AM

Original9

18th May 2006, 10:33 AM

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/crash.html

pwnghetti & leetballs

18th May 2006, 02:42 PM

That article is retarded... He's trying too hard to be like Maddox.

ReD_Fist

18th May 2006, 04:08 PM

I would think the price will be set just low enough so you can't buy a computer wich will match it for games-graphics-new type of DVD-convenience-compare to xbox price-and what the market will bear.

If they sell to low of price then they can't lower it a year from now when xbox does to compete.
So all the lame rich kids and the rest of the suckers will give them the initial profit because it's new, to keep up with the joneses.
"I got a PS3" woot woot, but in fact a PC is still better. Even those big screen TV's can all dissapear, 2000$ for a TV, how stupid can it get.

Besides nintendo is gonna clean up anyway,I hope sony and macIntosh computers go belly up.And Xbox stays , and all those games for 50 bucks is way out of hand,hell gimmie Pong.

Ice Dragoon

18th May 2006, 05:03 PM

yay pong

when ps3 and the wii come out, there will be more wii fans than ps3 fans.

Mister_Prophet

18th May 2006, 06:39 PM

Besides nintendo is gonna clean up anyway,

This is the truth. It says a lot when Golden Eye and Perfect Dark still out play most new console shooters as far as fun factor goes.

Ice Dragoon

18th May 2006, 07:47 PM

very true.
2D Sonic games are the same way.

Mister_Prophet

18th May 2006, 08:07 PM

very true.
2D Sonic games are the same way.

I used to play Mario 3 on my gameboy advance like every day in college before I graduated. :)

ReD_Fist

18th May 2006, 08:07 PM

I am sure it's gonna be good and some cool games and the ease of not formating,drivers,etc etc, but I like tuning my computer,it's a game in itself.

My only biggest worry is everyone (kids) are going to think that computers don't play or run games, hence we won't get anything good for the PC any more.Seems it's allmost that way allready,I either have to wait for a soso game get real old and play it, like serious sam or Alice, and like 10 to 15 bucks so's I can play somthing new.(old but new to me)

Then the only new games (to me FPS only) is FEAR and like 2 others and thats it.Hardly any good selection now for a year or more, it used to be the whip, PC was killing sega genises or SNES so hell ya PC ruled.
I hope we don't get left out.

Mister_Prophet

18th May 2006, 08:09 PM

I wouldn't worry about the PC, for me it's the same principle as Nintendo. I still have days where I get home from work and all I want to do is kill a few hundred aliens in the Skirmish mode of AVP.

Ice Dragoon

18th May 2006, 08:26 PM

yeah. hey i've still got the NES version...somewhere

W0RF

19th May 2006, 08:47 AM

very true.
2D Sonic games are the same way.
That's why I'm excited about the new Sonic game on the Wii. From the impressions I've read, it's going away from the wandering around exploring aspect of the previous 3d games, and concentrating on running fast and bashing thing, old skool.

Mister_Prophet

19th May 2006, 08:29 PM

That's why I'm excited about the new Sonic game on the Wii. From the impressions I've read, it's going away from the wandering around exploring aspect of the previous 3d games, and concentrating on running fast and bashing thing, old skool.

The whole exploring crap got old fast didn't it? Suddenly every game had you running around...finding keys, talking to villagers who talked about mysterious places suggestively, wandering around environments for hours fighting random monsters, getting lost for hours in these environments fighting monsters ect. It was fun as hell. At first. Now when I play an adventure game that has me going to a generic adventure game village with cheap Zelda knock-offs posing as "innovation" I just yearn for an 8-bit sidescroller.

W0RF

20th May 2006, 12:44 AM

The whole exploring crap got old fast didn't it? Suddenly every game had you running around...finding keys, talking to villagers who talked about mysterious places suggestively, wandering around environments for hours fighting random monsters, getting lost for hours in these environments fighting monsters ect. It was fun as hell. At first. Now when I play an adventure game that has me going to a generic adventure game village with cheap Zelda knock-offs posing as "innovation" I just yearn for an 8-bit sidescroller.
It was okay early on. Sort of. At least with Mario, collecting stars was about 75% optional. I started to balk when Jet Force Gemini artificially doubled its playtime by forcing me to find every single damn bear in the game. When Banjo-Kazooie demanded I find puzzle pieces, I grumbled through it because the characters were quirky and cool. I played DK64 for about five minutes and I'm not sure I've played a traditional platformer since.

I take that back. I discovered Rocket: Robot on Wheels a bit late, but it's a great game by Suckerpunch, who then left us Nintendo fanbois to make Sly on the PS2. I also missed out on Jak and Ratchet, so whether either of those two franchises are any good, I may never know.

But yeah, Mario's about the only platformer I'm even remotely interested in at the moment. The oddball games like Guitar Hero and the DS/Wii stuff have my attention.