Where have all the balls gone in music?

[Peavey]

So, where have they gone? I mean there's all these bands like Yellowcard and the Killers and all kinds of soft-voiced, simple, boring limp-dicked ***** bands. I mean mellow bands are a good thing but they dominate the radio and I'm tired of it. And they're so common and unoriginal now that it baffles me every time I hear a different band come out with basically the same hit single that dominated the air a month ago. Stupid peers.

My main concern: Where is all the aggression??? Even "metal" has turned soft. Maturity is nice in music, but I also like raw, unadulterated energy. But see, even the young bands don't have any energy. The singers sound like little whiny bitches! Where's the anger? Fück all this "emotion"; someone just tear **** apart and be pissed off and negative.

[The Dopefish]

Reply to a summary that wasn't written: I don't want death metal. Korn and SoaD are your only examples of "pissed off" rockers.

Still, music nowadays is not nearly as interesting to me as music from 15+ years ago. I still buy the occassional album, but nothing keeps my attention like Metallica, the Beach Boys...

[Plumb_Drumb]

Def Tones, SoaD, Slipknot... that's all the stuff I like anymore, aside from some local stuff.
(and the classic rock, like Floyd, Zepp, Hendrix, and the like)

Actually, my main listening is an internet radio station called Limbik Frequencies, which is far far from anything "rock".
It's more like a brain massage.

[Cap'n Beeb]

Step one to finding good music:

Throw your radio out the window.

Step two:

Block all music channels...save for Fuse. Sometimes they have good stuff.

Step three:

Use those various "If you like X you'll like Y." websites. They actually work and are fairly accurate.

[hyrulian]

Step one to finding good music:

Throw your radio out the window.
Actually my radio has been giving me good music lately :p

[Cap'n Beeb]

Nobody asked you for your opinion and musical tastes sir :mad: But don't worry I still love you <3

And that was aimed at him in helping him obtain his goal :)

[T2A`]

^ He's right. Nothing on the radio is going to have aggression because the general public does not want to hear such things on their drives to work and whatnot. There is no metal on the radio. There is only soft rock and softer rock. ;)

If you really want aggression, I can show you aggression. Odds are you don't, really; you're just tired of the p*ssy emo crap on the radio. Regardless, if you want to hear a young angry band that tears sh*t up... here's about the angriest, tear-sh*t-uppiest band I know of: Ion Dissonance (http://server2.hxcmp3.com/bands/10081/index.php). Be warned: they are f**king insane. Basically, the aggression is out there, you just have to look in the right places, and the radio and any form of MTV are definitely not the places to look.

If you're looking for straight-up metal and not insanity, try Trivium (http://www.purevolume.com/trivium) out for size. They are pretty new to the scene and anything but emo.

[Peavey]

When it comes to aggression and balls I know my music, but only if it happened before the new millenium. I know tons of **** about music in general, in fact I have just been super pissed because I cannot find any present-day band who knows how to tear **** up without being gimmicky. I already know the radio sucks but it's not fair. Motorhead got airplay back in the 80s, metallica did, and there are tons of aggressive bands that I can name that got airplay. Just sad that you never hear that kind of stuff on the radio anymore. I mean even Nirvana had that raw energy. Now there's NOTHING though.

T2A I will check this Ion Dissonance out

[Black_Seeds]

I see and agree with your point, although Its not as though all the new stuff is crap.

For example If you're a big fan of Pantera I would recommend giving 'Black Label Society' a shot.

[das_ben]

Get into industrial music.

[zynthetic]

That's a hard thing to do right. Industrial is at times only a label for shock value than anything else. Browse through some pod/shout/icecast stations for anything that piques your interest.

[FaT CaM]

Dont blame the bands, blame current musical trends. These days all i see are punk/hardcore bands forming and singing the same old **** with the same old sound, and people eat that **** up like a fat kid to cake because thats all that's been on the radio for about 7 months, they ****ing LOVE IT. Thus new forming bands who want to be popular take that route, there arent enough people outside the punk scene who are interested in forming bands because of the lack of popularity behind other styles of music.

[Fuct]

So, where have they gone? I mean there's all these bands like Yellowcard and the Killers and all kinds of soft-voiced, simple, boring limp-dicked ***** bands. I mean mellow bands are a good thing but they dominate the radio and I'm tired of it. And they're so common and unoriginal now that it baffles me every time I hear a different band come out with basically the same hit single that dominated the air a month ago. Stupid peers.

My main concern: Where is all the aggression??? Even "metal" has turned soft. Maturity is nice in music, but I also like raw, unadulterated energy. But see, even the young bands don't have any energy. The singers sound like little whiny bitches! Where's the anger? Fück all this "emotion"; someone just tear **** apart and be pissed off and negative.

Stop watching MTV then.

[anaemic]

i say blame snipeo for buying it ;)

[Crowze]

I've got two words for you.

Machinae Supremacy (www.machinaesupremacy.com)

[Lewis]

I do think it is a general trend over the past few years with the softness of Metal. Bands like In Flames and Nightwish did it. If you want some hefty metal, i can always suggest a few bands from the Hardcore and Metalcore scenes:

Scars Of Tomorrow <--- Hellishly good Metalcore from Orange County. Fave band atm
August Burns Red
I Killed The Prom Queen
A Love Ends Suicide
Haste The Day

And theres loads more :)

[sid]

So, where have they gone? I mean there's all these bands like Yellowcard and the Killers and all kinds of soft-voiced, simple, boring limp-dicked ***** bands. I mean mellow bands are a good thing but they dominate the radio and I'm tired of it. And they're so common and unoriginal now that it baffles me every time I hear a different band come out with basically the same hit single that dominated the air a month ago. Stupid peers.

My main concern: Where is all the aggression??? Even "metal" has turned soft. Maturity is nice in music, but I also like raw, unadulterated energy. But see, even the young bands don't have any energy. The singers sound like little whiny bitches! Where's the anger? Fück all this "emotion"; someone just tear **** apart and be pissed off and negative.
now thats a serious motorhead fan talking I agree with you the killers are so full of sh*t
a solution is sticking to the old stuff or cap'nbeebs 3rd point

[Israphel]

Ah, the old "old music is better that new music" chestnut...

As someone who grew up with punk (the real one, not the watered down ****e people call punk nowadays) I can see where you're coming from.

What Beeb said is right, there is never ever good music on the radio ever (well not since the brilliant John Peel passed away R.I.P), so forget about that.

Fact is, music moves in cycles....a movement comes a long, usually with a great band or so at the cutting edge of it, then record companies see the teenagers going crazy for it and start signing anyone who sounds vaguely similar. It's always happened and it always will.
For every great punk band, you had 10 that were rubbish. Then people got tired of it and most of the 80s were "soft" by comparison.
Even the Clash went soft, John Lydon fomed PIL, who had some great moments...but were soft by comparison with the Sex Pistols.
In England at least the 80's alternative music was dominated by bands like The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order etc etc. None of them really angry bands....even The Jesus And Mary Chain weren't particularly aggressive (although, Automatic is still a BRILLIANT album).

Then things swung again, and we got a new generation of bands in England who didn't give a ****, The Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses. They didn't have the anger of punk, the music was totally different but the ethos was there....the "we really don't give a ****" attitude....and people really went for it because of that. Some great bands came out of America at the time, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jnr, The Pixies...and then of course Nirvana. Same thing, same attitude...people who'd grown up with punk and had that same attitude.
Of course when Nirvana went global, every bloke with a guitar and a pullover with holes in it in Seattle got a record deal...and there was truly a lot of crap coming out.

That's where I kind of sidestepped out of guitar music because while I loved a lot of those bands, there was the realisation that there wasn't anything new happening there. Electronic music seemed to me to be where all the innovation was coming from. If you look at some of the people behind mid 90s electronica in England and it was all the people who'd grown up loving punk. People like Andy Weatherall, David Holmes, the Orbital brothers etc.

For me, bands like The Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl" and "Galvanise" have the energy that reminds me of punk, much more than the so called punk bands I hear now. Most guitar music just sounds like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy etc...

...But then again, I am old. At some point we all get bored by listening to re-hashes of the same thing over and over again.

Bands like Franz Ferdinand and Bloc Party (I guess the strongest alternative movement in England nowadays) are all well and good...but I can hear where every note came from. It's like "Thats sounds like The Stranglers and that sounds like The Fall and that riff was taken from The Clash and that drum is Bauhaus" etc etc.

You know what you have to do don't you Peavey?

Get your guitar, get your mates, get out and change it.;)
The music scene is crying out for something new.

[Mxtrmntr]

Ah, the old "old music is better that new music" chestnut...

As someone who grew up with punk (the real one, not the watered down ****e people call punk nowadays) I can see where you're coming from.

What Beeb said is right, there is never ever good music on the radio ever (well not since the brilliant John Peel passed away R.I.P), so forget about that.

Fact is, music moves in cycles....a movement comes a long, usually with a great band or so at the cutting edge of it, then record companies see the teenagers going crazy for it and start signing anyone who sounds vaguely similar. It's always happened and it always will.
For every great punk band, you had 10 that were rubbish. Then people got tired of it and most of the 80s were "soft" by comparison.
Even the Clash went soft, John Lydon fomed PIL, who had some great moments...but were soft by comparison with the Sex Pistols.
In England at least the 80's alternative music was dominated by bands like The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order etc etc. None of them really angry bands....even The Jesus And Mary Chain weren't particularly aggressive (although, Automatic is still a BRILLIANT album).

Then things swung again, and we got a new generation of bands in England who didn't give a ****, The Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses. They didn't have the anger of punk, the music was totally different but the ethos was there....the "we really don't give a ****" attitude....and people really went for it because of that. Some great bands came out of America at the time, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jnr, The Pixies...and then of course Nirvana. Same thing, same attitude...people who'd grown up with punk and had that same attitude.
Of course when Nirvana went global, every bloke with a guitar and a pullover with holes in it in Seattle got a record deal...and there was truly a lot of crap coming out.

That's where I kind of sidestepped out of guitar music because while I loved a lot of those bands, there was the realisation that there wasn't anything new happening there. Electronic music seemed to me to be where all the innovation was coming from. If you look at some of the people behind mid 90s electronica in England and it was all the people who'd grown up loving punk. People like Andy Weatherall, David Holmes, the Orbital brothers etc.

For me, bands like The Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl" and "Galvanise" have the energy that reminds me of punk, much more than the so called punk bands I hear now. Most guitar music just sounds like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy etc...

...But then again, I am old. At some point we all get bored by listening to re-hashes of the same thing over and over again.

Bands like Franz Ferdinand and Bloc Party (I guess the strongest alternative movement in England nowadays) are all well and good...but I can hear where every note came from. It's like "Thats sounds like The Stranglers and that sounds like The Fall and that riff was taken from The Clash and that drum is Bauhaus" etc etc.

You know what you have to do don't you?

Get your guitar, get your mates, get out and change it.;)
The music scene is crying out for something new.

There's lots of great music out there, and lots of unusual guitar music -- it's just pretty hard to find, on tiny labels, often releasing CD-Rs on their own... oh, I could write a huge post on this and the problems of "alternative mainstream" and whatever but I'd feel bad for neglecting my work for uni. Maybe later :hmm:

[Fuct]

Post-rock rocks!

[Twisted Metal]

Progressive rock/metal has restored my faith in music. I don't care if they're pissed off or not, if the music kicks ass and the instrumental work is insane, then it's ok in my book. ;)

[DaBeatard]

Anthrax-
'We've Come for You All' - 'Vol. 8- The Threat is Real' - 'Stomp 442'

Doesn't sound like any of there 80's/early 90's stuff and kicks ass.

[Hanover_Fist]

this is what happened to the music.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/view/

[GeneticFreak]

its called evolution i guess

i mean, think about it, music that was common in the 60s dissapear in the 70s, and so on

[shadow_dragon]

Good music has always been hard to find and i dont' think metal went soft just a whole new brand of "Pop Metal" came out and other such genre's. I like to call it all "Pop Alternative" and never think of it again.

I remember the days when you could walk down a street without seeing shops called "The Alternative Stop" or so, filled with black hoodies that have some metal band logo on the front. :rolleyes:
Topshop, Topman, TopGoth? Heh heh!

[Mxtrmntr]

Post-rock rocks!

"Post-rock" definition debate in 3...2...1... ;)

[Bang Yr Head]

Actually my radio has been giving me good music lately :p

internet radio? maybe...

^ He's right. Nothing on the radio is going to have aggression because the general public does not want to hear such things on their drives to work and whatnot. There is no metal on the radio. There is only soft rock and softer rock. ;)

If you really want aggression, I can show you aggression. Odds are you don't, really; you're just tired of the p*ssy emo crap on the radio. Regardless, if you want to hear a young angry band that tears sh*t up... here's about the angriest, tear-sh*t-uppiest band I know of: Ion Dissonance (http://server2.hxcmp3.com/bands/10081/index.php). Be warned: they are f**king insane. Basically, the aggression is out there, you just have to look in the right places, and the radio and any form of MTV are definitely not the places to look.

If you're looking for straight-up metal and not insanity, try Trivium (http://www.purevolume.com/trivium) out for size. They are pretty new to the scene and anything but emo.

its not bad, I just cant get into the whole macho vocals thing. also, I always felt Honeywell hit the high mark in terms of musical insanity, and they broke up 10 years ago and never released anything on CD. basically just completely distorted guitars that heave a deafing wash of feedback at you, not-so-human sounding, screetched, high pitched vocals, excellent, fast and complex drumming, and some pretty angsty, punk lyrics. all played incredibly fast. if your interested, search for their S/T LP on soulseek.

oh yeah, T2A, you would LOVE Crowpath, go check them out.

Scars Of Tomorrow

they were pretty silly guys when I saw then about a year ago with Hot Cross, it went something like:

singer "BLA BLA BLA BLA BUSH SUCKS MY COCK"

audience "SHUT THE **** UP!"

Post-rock rocks!

if you are talking Godspeed You Black Emperor / Sigur Ros / Silver Mount Zion you'd be extremely correct :)

[NeoNite]

I agree with the evolution thing, though .. indeed 15 years ago the music's quality was better. I mean, top30-50 music. The crap music started dominating the charts around ..1992-93 iirc.

Of course it's not all bad. You just have to look harder these days, if you want a song with actual depth I mean..
A song that isn't a simple sing-along hoi hoi hoi...

And naturally it's all a matter of opinion...

Besides, aggression in music. Sometimes the faster and louder music is, the more I just go "meh". I mean, it has no impact on me whatsoever. In most cases it makes me feel bored and sleepy.
Don't care how loud the guitars and drums are. I hear the sounds, but don't actually listen. Sometimes...

I like songs which have real energy. Doesn't necessarily have to be aggression, if you know what I mean °_0

[Bang Yr Head]

Besides, aggression in music. Sometimes the faster and louder music is, the more I just go "meh". I mean, it has no impact on me whatsoever. In most cases it makes me feel bored and sleepy.
Don't care how loud the guitars and drums are. I hear the sounds, but don't actually listen. Sometimes...

I like songs which have real energy. Doesn't necessarily have to be aggression, if you know what I mean °_0

I agree, thats how I feel about Crowpath, their stuff is so incredibly brutal its just hilarious to me, I cant take it seriously. but T2A likes that type of stuff so im sure he'd love it. not to knock his musical taste or anything. Honeywell is just... different. yeah, its almost unlistenable, but its extremely raw and moving unlike alot of crap out there. so was Frail...... here, take a look at this video to see what im talking about: CLICK (http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=_nVtKVAA3xs)
just pay attention to the first band, the rest are meh'

[tool]

So, where have they gone? I mean there's all these bands like Yellowcard and the Killers and all kinds of soft-voiced, simple, boring limp-dicked ***** bands. I mean mellow bands are a good thing but they dominate the radio and I'm tired of it. And they're so common and unoriginal now that it baffles me every time I hear a different band come out with basically the same hit single that dominated the air a month ago. Stupid peers.

My main concern: Where is all the aggression??? Even "metal" has turned soft. Maturity is nice in music, but I also like raw, unadulterated energy. But see, even the young bands don't have any energy. The singers sound like little whiny bitches! Where's the anger? Fück all this "emotion"; someone just tear **** apart and be pissed off and negative.

Radiohead and cold play come to mind. Two of the worst and most overhyped bands ever. They are two of the worst bands ever because they are so liked and played on the radio and mtv. They have millions of fans, which just proves the point that big sales doesnt equal quality music.

[NeoNite]

Radiohead was quite good in the early years.
But after a few years tom yorke's voice just didn't sound appealing anymore.
It's like he's complaining in his songs, all the time.

coldplay well, if you're into "omg je suis l'artist.. float aaawaaaaay on teh vibes to dreamland.. tear in my eye.. " kind off music...

I sure as hell am not.

[Fuct]

"Post-rock" definition debate in 3...2...1... ;)

"The term post-rock was coined by Simon Reynolds in issue 123 of The Wire (May 1994) to describe a sort of music "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbres and textures rather than riffs and power chords."

Originally used to describe the music of such bands as Stereolab, Disco Inferno, Seefeel, Bark Psychosis and Pram, it spread out to be frequently used for all sorts of jazz- and Krautrock-influenced, instrumental, electronica-added music made after 1994. Bands from the early 1990s such as Slint, or earlier, such as Talk Talk were influential on this genre."

Taken from Wikipedia

:p

Bang Yr Head : Oh yes, yes I am. Definitely. I miss GY!BE though :(. Definitely one of the best bands in that genre.

[Mxtrmntr]

"The term post-rock was coined by Simon Reynolds in issue 123 of The Wire (May 1994) to describe a sort of music "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbres and textures rather than riffs and power chords."

Originally used to describe the music of such bands as Stereolab, Disco Inferno, Seefeel, Bark Psychosis and Pram, it spread out to be frequently used for all sorts of jazz- and Krautrock-influenced, instrumental, electronica-added music made after 1994. Bands from the early 1990s such as Slint, or earlier, such as Talk Talk were influential on this genre."

Taken from Wikipedia

:p

Bang Yr Head : Oh yes, yes I am. Definitely. I miss GY!BE though :(. Definitely one of the best bands in that genre.

Yeah, I know that definition, it's just a bit silly because Bark Psychosis and the like are quite a bit away from Godspeed You! Black Emperor etc. ;) Concerning GY!BE, there are rumours that they'll release a new album in 2006. They definitely haven't split up, fortunately.

Comparing Radiohead to Coldplay is like comparing Blade Runner to some awful sci-fi blockbuster. I don't really listen to Radiohead's 90s material these days (especially their pre-OK Computer work), but Kid A is truly awesome. Really. :hmm:

Coldplay, however, sound like Radiohead's 90s ballads without those songs' depth or general quality.

[Mxtrmntr]

On a sidenote, concerning the post-rock definition thing... I like The Wire, they are easily the best music magazine I know (admittedly, I don't know too many), but the genre names they coin tend to be a bit, hmm, questionable at times. "New Weird America", anyone?

[Fuct]

Yeah, I know that definition, it's just a bit silly because Bark Psychosis and the like are quite a bit away from Godspeed You! Black Emperor etc. ;) Concerning GY!BE, there are rumours that they'll release a new album in 2006. They definitely haven't split up, fortunately.

Comparing Radiohead to Coldplay is like comparing Blade Runner to some awful sci-fi blockbuster. I don't really listen to Radiohead's 90s material these days (especially their pre-OK Computer work), but Kid A is truly awesome. Really. :hmm:

Coldplay, however, sound like Radiohead's 90s ballads without those songs' depth or general quality.

Wow really? I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Mogwai, Mono, Radiohead and a few other bands will be releasing a new record in next year. 2006 should be an interesting year to say the least.

Ditto on Radiohead.

(Johnny Greenwood is the god of gadgets)

[Mxtrmntr]

Wow really? I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Mogwai, Mono, Radiohead and a few other bands will be releasing a new record in next year. 2006 should be an interesting year to say the least.

Ditto on Radiohead.

(Johnny Greenwood is the god of gadgets)

I can't wait for the new Mogwai album. They really should have called it Glasgow Megasnake, though :lol:

Mono are great live, although I don't think their studio work is all that convincing... sure, a lot of their songs are powerful and/or beautiful, but that doesn't keep One Step More And You Die from sounding almost exactly like - admittedly good - late 90s Mogwai outtakes, which just adds, hmm, a weird feeling to the listening experience :hmm:

Mmm, 2006... other records to look forward to will be released by Bardo Pond, Charalambides, Spiritualized, Scott Walker, Jarvis Cocker, Grandaddy, The Flaming Lips, Matmos, Clinic and Do Make Say Think; it should be an exciting year, music-wise :)

[Selerox]

Bad music stops the second you stop listening to it.

Search for what's good, listen to it. Every time a person does that, it can only be a good thing for music.

[Bean316]

Besides not listening to the radio, you can do what I do and listen to hip-hop. You got tons of great independent acts working with each other, constantly creating fusions of their styles. I'm going to make a post about the new brilliant Cunninlynguists album (it's bone crushing in brilliance).

Radiohead and cold play come to mind. Two of the worst and most overhyped bands ever. They are two of the worst bands ever because they are so liked and played on the radio and mtv. They have millions of fans, which just proves the point that big sales doesnt equal quality music.

Sometimes it's ok , but you really, really, REALLY need to stop talking in generalities that you read on some random website. Radiohead is a fantastic group that is popular because they are good, and have been for a long time. And I don't know what you're talking about when you say they are the radio and MTV all the time. Because they aren't. Coldplay does suck yes, but that's because they are just doing what RH did 10 years ago, Pablo Honey style, but without the substance (as Max said). OK Computer and the albums onward (even The Bends before it) are fantastic records. Absolutely fantastic. Now, if you don't like them fine, but dammit, please just stop clumping EVERYTHING together.

[Fuct]

I can't wait for the new Mogwai album. They really should have called it Glasgow Megasnake, though :lol:

Mono are great live, although I don't think their studio work is all that convincing... sure, a lot of their songs are powerful and/or beautiful, but that doesn't keep One Step More And You Die from sounding almost exactly like - admittedly good - late 90s Mogwai outtakes, which just adds, hmm, a weird feeling to the listening experience :hmm:

Mmm, 2006... other records to look forward to will be released by Bardo Pond, Charalambides, Spiritualized, Scott Walker, Jarvis Cocker, Grandaddy, The Flaming Lips, Matmos, Clinic and Do Make Say Think; it should be an exciting year, music-wise :)

Have you seen them(Mono) live before though? An amazing act that you need to experience live to appreciate it. 'One More Step and You Die' is a good record but 'Under the Pipal Tree' is still my favourite Mono record. It's just so beautiful.

I think you should check out 'World's End Girlfriend' they recently did a collaboration with Mono called "Palmless Prayer / Mass Murder Refrain". Kinda like Mono with string musicians backing them up.

Pssst, also check out the band in my signature. They're friends of mine. They're recording some materials soon and I can hook you up if you're interested ;)

[Mxtrmntr]

Have you seen them(Mono) live before though? An amazing act that you need to experience live to appreciate it. 'One More Step and You Die' is a good record but 'Under the Pipal Tree' is still my favourite Mono record. It's just so beautiful.

I think you should check out 'World's End Girlfriend' they recently did a collaboration with Mono called "Palmless Prayer / Mass Murder Refrain". Kinda like Mono with string musicians backing them up.

Thanks for the recommendations. I saw Mono live early last year and they were incredibly intense (nice people too, at least the bassist who started selling albums and giving autographs immediately after the concert, still smiling and staying friendly all the time in spite of the obviously rather exhausting peformance that had preceded it).

[Bang Yr Head]

Radiohead and cold play come to mind. Two of the worst and most overhyped bands ever. They are two of the worst bands ever because they are so liked and played on the radio and mtv.


WHOA WHOA WHOA, Coldplay... okay... but NOT Radiohead, what so ever. wow. no.... just no.

BTW, some of you guys who like GY!BE, Mogwai, etc... should check out Kayo Dot, they are releasing (released?) two albums this year on Robotic Empire. they sound like orchestrated metal, they are pretty interesting.

[BobCobb]

Before Radiohead became popular I really liked them, especially when Ok Computer came out. But it seems like mainstream music sucks up anything good, chews it, and spits it out into the wastebucket. Its sad really.

Whats a good site for "if you like X, you'll like Y"?

[Mxtrmntr]

Before Radiohead became popular I really liked them, especially when Ok Computer came out. But it seems like mainstream music sucks up anything good, chews it, and spits it out into the wastebucket. Its sad really.

Whats a good site for "if you like X, you'll like Y"?

http://www.allmusic.com/

[ilkman]

All the "balls" have since started growing inwards and upwards and then turned into ovaries.

[mokeh]

I saw Motorhead last month and Lemmy seems to still be breathing somehow, when he stops though I think we are in trouble :)

[Bang Yr Head]

Before Radiohead became popular I really liked them, especially when Ok Computer came out. But it seems like mainstream music sucks up anything good, chews it, and spits it out into the wastebucket. Its sad really.

Whats a good site for "if you like X, you'll like Y"?

I actually like everything after Ok Computer. Kid-A was amazing, and so is Hail To The Thief.

[Selerox]

I saw Motorhead last month and Lemmy seems to still be breathing somehow, when he stops though I think we are in trouble :)

I caught them at their 30th Anniversary show at the Hammersmith Apollo, and it's fair to say that they absolutly ****ing rocked :eek:

[BobCobb]

Kid-A was amazing, and so is Hail To The Thief

I own every Radiohead album, and am looking forward to the new one. :)

[Continuum]

If you really want aggression, I can show you aggression. Odds are you don't, really; you're just tired of the p*ssy emo crap on the radio. Regardless, if you want to hear a young angry band that tears sh*t up... here's about the angriest, tear-sh*t-uppiest band I know of: Ion Dissonance (http://server2.hxcmp3.com/bands/10081/index.php). Be warned: they are f**king insane. Basically, the aggression is out there, you just have to look in the right places, and the radio and any form of MTV are definitely not the places to look.


Should add Armani Death Machine, Meshuggah, Scamp, Violent Work of Art, Chimaira, and Dillenger Escape Plan(these guys were around before Ion Dissonance and sound very similar).

As for the more tame or melodic metal Crowbar is one of my favorites.

[Cap'n Beeb]

I saw Motorhead last month and Lemmy seems to still be breathing somehow, when he stops though I think we are in trouble :)

Lemmy is a god and therefore cannot die just fyi

[Zaccix]

I can't remember the last time I put the radio on in my own house (it's harder to avoid at work, unfortunately, but still possible if someone brings in a good CD) because all I hear is what I call trade-in music: songs that are popular for a month or two then become old and are "traded in" for new songs, much like a person would trade in an old game for a new one. There's no substance or any sense of musicianship, just a sense of fat-chequed producers banging out any old tracks behind a fat Pro Tools desk.

So, I avoid all that and just listen to stuff like Sigur Rós, 1 Mile North and Pink Floyd; music that does have balls, not in a shouty and angry way, but more in an intelligent, envelope-pushing kind of way. Anyway, I'll never hear that stuff on payola-financed FM radio, so there's no point in switching it on.

[Xaero]

Besides not listening to the radio, you can do what I do and listen to hip-hop. You got tons of great independent acts working with each other, constantly creating fusions of their styles. I'm going to make a post about the new brilliant Cunninlynguists album (it's bone crushing in brilliance).

The whole hip-hop genre seems to be running out of ideas. Granted, I don't listen to a lot of it anymore, but what i have heard (radio and internet both) seems to be un-inspired rehashes. Hell, even Eminem, who always knows what to say to piss people off, seems to be running out of good ideas. I just miss the days of Tupac, NWA, Bone Thugs, Death Row. Before all this "Pop-Hop" stuff became popular. I'll check out the new Cunninlynguists album though.

[BobCobb]

Its not hiphop anymore. Its Floetry.

And hiphop was good in the days of public enemy, but it has turned to garbage like everything else mainstream.

[cole_bie]

I think the reason you dont hear heavy **** on the radio is because not a lot of people want to hear a bunch of idiots scream their heads off and call it music. And dont get me started on their "lyrics". You call other bands whiny but from the lyrics I have seen of "heavy metal" bands, all they do is whine and complain, they just do it in a TOTALLY HARDCORE MANNER! I think there is still some good music on the radio, you just have to find the right station. I listen to internet radio sometimes, they sometimes have some good stuff. Almost all of my music though comes from word of mouth. People send me a song that is good, I check out the artists other songs.

[TossMonkey]

15 years ago music was better? What the ****? That's like 1990's! Possibly some of the worst music ever came out in that era. I have to say thats a rose coloured glasses view of the world and will never work. I'm sure people in the 90's who were teens in the 80's said the same thing, oh god who is this nirvana crap? I wish we had good bands like Van Halen! So depressing!

See? You're getting older and so is your taste in music, but music never matures because it's always supposed to appeal to the younger generation. Try and listen to bands that age well, U2 are good for this and I foresee Red Hot Chilli's being the same.

[Cap'n Beeb]

You should listen to Gwar. It's more comedy than emo and angst. And Manowar is pure cheese metal.

[BobCobb]

music never matures because it's always supposed to appeal to the younger generation.

Another reason to have absolutely no faith in this generation. The music is absolute commercialized ****e.

[Peavey]

Fuct, I never did watch MTV. I've always known it has sucked ass.

Fatcam, yeah that's what I'm talking about! Hardcore and Punk even used to be the angriest music out there but now it's all an outlet for a bunch of crying bitches! No anger and it pisses me off!!! It's a commercialized bastardization of the genres.

Israphel your input was awesome. Very true, and thanks. I want to do new things, alas I do not know why it is so frigging hard to find other musicians who want to do the same thing as me. I wish I could clone myself or something.

And holy crap I had no idea this thread would grow so fast.

Its not hiphop anymore. Its Floetry.

And hiphop was good in the days of public enemy, but it has turned to garbage like everything else mainstream.

Ohhhh yes. I like NWA too because they had so much anger. I love listening to NWA in my school parking lot in my car because it blows all those other stupid kids who listen to 50 Cent away.

On another note, what is all this glorified commercial masturbation I'm seeing amongst rappers? 50 Cent made a movie AND a video game about himself. And Usher, I think, also just came out with a movie about himself. Man, what arrogant *******s.

Lemmy is a god and therefore cannot die just fyi
You're damn right he's a god! I heard one time on stage some chick ran up and started giving him a blowjob. How godlike is that?

[BobCobb]

On another note, what is all this glorified commercial masturbation I'm seeing amongst rappers? 50 Cent made a movie AND a video game about himself. And Usher, I think, also just came out with a movie about himself. Man, what arrogant *******s.

They can't stop with music man. 50 Cent is too hard to just rap, he's gotta be pixelated too. And I actually heard the game was ok, but I haven't actually read a review of it. Its just more commercialization, furthering the obvious that mainstream musicians don't care about music.

[Otej]

if you want pure agression which is still a bit tongue in cheek you want Strapping Youg Lad

[Mia'cova]

I completely disagree with the "no good new metal" point of view. I love what I'm hearing these days. Perhaps there's no good new metal coming from your favourite classic bands? There are TONS of bands out there producing metal. Absolutely tons of them. As I Lay Dying, Children of Bodom, Darkseed, Fear Factory, In Flames, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Mudvayne, Nightwish, Rammstein, Sevendust, Soilwork, Static X.. just to name a few that catch my eye as I skim the top level of my metal folder.

Want to find more startup metal bands? I'd highly suggest ChroniX Radio. They're a great online metal radio station. http://chronixradio.com/ You'll get plenty of fresh unsigned indy metal and such.

Some of you have been mentioning hip-hop. Make sure you grab the Fort Minor album (Linkin Park spinoff). They throw lots of string instruments in to make it sound fresh. It's good stuff.

[Cap'n Beeb]

Uh... Mia? Some of those bands aren't metal at all.

[Continuum]

Uh... Mia? Some of those bands aren't metal at all.

I agree, I probably wouldn't consider mudvayne, sevendust, or even static x as "metal" they don't quite fit.

btw.. anyone else ever notice how quite a few metal bands lyrics are a bit political? (Death or Slayer in particular) those dark and overly sarcastic songs are much better than the mainstream rock/rap/heavy music (can't call that stuff metal)

[Fuct]

Hey Peavey, check out this band called "Mastodon". Give them a test listen, I think you might fancy them.

[Rubix3k1]

im really liking Mars Volta. to me, it feels like a mix of Pink floyd, for atmosphere, zeppelin(for strong vocals and guitar,) and hendrix(for guitar). Francis the mute really clinch it for me.

[Mia'cova]

Metal is a pretty broad category. If you want to lob some of them into the rock bucket, that's fine with me. Then maybe some are also too intense/heavy for just "metal." They all at least have some significant metal influences in there. But classifying bands really had nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

[Peavey]

I agree, I probably wouldn't consider mudvayne, sevendust, or even static x as "metal" they don't quite fit.

btw.. anyone else ever notice how quite a few metal bands lyrics are a bit political? (Death or Slayer in particular) those dark and overly sarcastic songs are much better than the mainstream rock/rap/heavy music (can't call that stuff metal)

Agreed :tup: I love political sarcasm in general. Dead Kennedys ftw! Smartasses are always great.

Fuct, I'll check them out!

[discreet]

Lemmy is a god and therefore cannot die just fyi

who would win in a wrestling match? lemmy or god?


ah, trick question dude. lemmy IS god.

anyway, i disagree with you beeb, i think most of those bands could be lumped into the metal category. mudvayne and sevendust could be lumped into the metal category for sure, if the bands they tour with are any indication.

[Mister_Prophet]

There are plenty of good bands out there and I like music from every decade since rock emerged on the face of the planet. You just have to avoid the bullshiit (every decade has had its mainstream poppy fad) and stick to the good stuff.

On a side note, I've noticed that people in my generation (born in the early 80s, grew up into a music culture of late 80s-early 90s full of stuff like Pixies, NIN,Smashing Pumpkins and the like) and the younger generation now tend to like a broad stretch of music...from various genres both oldskool and new age. And I notice the older generations, you 60s, 70s crowd....are often so intolerant of any of the newer stuff you generally only listen to ONE type of music. My dad listens to Bob Dylan and the great John Lennon...which I like too...but that's ONLY the kinda stuff he likes. He'll borrow my car and I'll have Deftones in the CD player when he starts it up and he's like "What the hell is this garbage?"

And that makes me a sad panda. I hope I never get like that.

[NeoNite]

Hehe, most likely you will.

[ThirtySixBelow]

I think the reason you dont hear heavy **** on the radio is because not a lot of people want to hear a bunch of idiots scream their heads off and call it music.

The usual statement that comes from someone who doesn't appreciate heavy music.

This band's goal is to be the heaviest band they can possibly be.
The Acacia Strain (http://www.myspace.com/theacaciastrain)
The first two songs are off their current cd "3750" and the second two songs are off thier up and comming cd. It's good to see a band that is not going soft after their initial release. Peavey, if you want some heavy music, I highly recommend this.

As for the lyrics, cole_bie, you must be listening to bands like distrubed, and staind and think they are "metal" and do cry a whole lot. I saw distrubed at ozzfest, which ever one they played the main stage at, and they were so full of themselves, saying they were pure metal and ****.

Hardcore is a little different. More recent and true hardcore is about unity and standing up for yourself and making it through hard times. Most true hardcore sounds about the same, and the aim of the music is not to be the best or most original band but to give people a rush and an outlet. Terror is a good example of this. I'm not sure about the older kinds of hardcore that sound more like the current punk, because I wasn't into that kind of thing.

[Bang Yr Head]

Hardcore is a little different. More recent and true hardcore is about unity and standing up for yourself and making it through hard times. Most true hardcore sounds about the same, and the aim of the music is not to be the best or most original band but to give people a rush and an outlet. Terror is a good example of this. I'm not sure about the older kinds of hardcore that sound more like the current punk, because I wasn't into that kind of thing.

it was basically the same lyrical themes, it just sounded alot more like punk. examples are these bands are Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Good Clean Fun etc. There are still bands that play somewhat similar music in the vein of that today, like Bane and Comeback Kid, who are immensely popular now.

[cole_bie]

The usual statement that comes from someone who doesn't appreciate heavy music.

This band's goal is to be the heaviest band they can possibly be.
The Acacia Strain (http://www.myspace.com/theacaciastrain)
The first two songs are off their current cd "3750" and the second two songs are off thier up and comming cd. It's good to see a band that is not going soft after their initial release. Peavey, if you want some heavy music, I highly recommend this.

As for the lyrics, cole_bie, you must be listening to bands like distrubed, and staind and think they are "metal" and do cry a whole lot. I saw distrubed at ozzfest, which ever one they played the main stage at, and they were so full of themselves, saying they were pure metal and ****.

Hardcore is a little different. More recent and true hardcore is about unity and standing up for yourself and making it through hard times. Most true hardcore sounds about the same, and the aim of the music is not to be the best or most original band but to give people a rush and an outlet. Terror is a good example of this. I'm not sure about the older kinds of hardcore that sound more like the current punk, because I wasn't into that kind of thing.

I guess im not violent enough to appreciate heavy metal lol.

[Selerox]

Arch Enemy is a good band to go for, if you can stand the vocal style (yes, it really is a woman making those noises). Check out "Nemesis", "Burning Angel" or "We Will Rise" as tracks, they're good examples.

I've also recently discovered Clawfinger as well. They're well worth a look. It's hard to compare them to another band, because their stuff's so crossover that it's tough to catagorise them. Think new metal (not nu-metal), with rap style vocals and tech-metal/industrial influences in there as well. That sounds pretty bad (especially the rap bit, and you guys know how much I usually detest anything rap), but their stuff is actually pretty amazing, with some of the best lyrics you'll find anywhere. Expect a lot of eloquent social comment in there as well, with a hell of a lot of attitude. Tracks to try would be "******" ([EDIT] damn, swear filter got it, it starts with an "N" - it's an anti-racism anthem), "Hate Yourself With Style", "Biggest and the Best" (great, arrogant tune to pump yourself up with) and "Confrontation".

Also, if you want a change of direction in metal, and you want to stay well off the beaten track, check out Dragonforce. It's shamelessly over the top power metal, and it's quite probably the fastest music I own, it's insane. There's no attitude behind it, it's just made to be enjoyed with a big smile on your face imo. You might start laughing at them, but by the end you'll be laughing with them. Tracks to try would be "Fury of the Storm", "Above the Winter Moonlight".

There are TONS of bands out there producing metal. Absolutely tons of them. As I Lay Dying, Children of Bodom, Darkseed, Fear Factory, In Flames, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Mudvayne, Nightwish, Rammstein, Sevendust, Soilwork, Static X.. just to name a few that catch my eye as I skim the top level of my metal folder.

Fear factory's new album is just bizzare. It has melody, and it has a U2 cover. I'm pretty sure that's a sign of the approaching apocalypse...

In Flames' recent stuff didn't impress me, although their earlier stuff (Colony, Clayman) is pretty damn sweet.

Rammstein's gotten worse by the album. It's getting slower, and duller. Herzeleid, Sehnsucht and Mutter were class albums, but the last two got boring fast. Rosenrot even had a song featuring Sharleen Spiteri from Texas, what the hell was that all about?

Nightwish? Great band, but they just split up mate. Tarja got sacked. They say they'll have an equally good replacement, but I think that's going to be very, very tough.

Static-X now suck. Wiconsin... and Machine were great albums, but everything after that was pretty damn weak.

[GeneticFreak]

well personally i like the 90s cause i "grow up" with that music
like my dad loves the 70s cause he grew up with that

and so on... you GOT to live in the past someday, and it will become harder and harder to find the kind of music you like the more time passes, cant avoid that.

like how a "teenager" said to me "whoa man, korn? thats so old guy stuff"

[Lewis]

Also, if you want a change of direction in metal, and you want to stay well off the beaten track, check out Dragonforce. It's shamelessly over the top power metal, and it's quite probably the fastest music I own, it's insane. There's no attitude behind it, it's just made to be enjoyed with a big smile on your face imo. You might start laughing at them, but by the end you'll be laughing with them. Tracks to try would be "Fury of the Storm", "Above the Winter Moonlight".
Ahh Dragon Force... Also, if you like power metal like that, i would definitely suggest Sonata Arctica :)

[Arcturus]

I've got two words for you.

Machinae Supremacy (www.machinaesupremacy.com)
VERY YES. :tup: Machinae Supremacy kick amounts of arse not measurable by human technology.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the generic pop punk alternative whatever style of rock myself, it seems overdone and its quite frankly getting a little tedious. I like a bit of oomph and anger sometimes too, although there's also nothing quite like a good melody. I guess it depends on my mood.

As for recommendations, KMFDM are excellent, and I'm shocked that nobody has mentioned them considering they're fairly well-known and being angry is their whole thing. Their latest album Hau Ruck didn't really do a whole lot for me, but WWIII is excellent. There's a whole load of older albums too, some are slightly more hit and miss than others, but generally its great stuff. :)

As for industrial in general, I'm rather into the synthpop/EBM stuff, which tends to either really angry or really chilled out. I recommend Icon of Coil, Front Line Assembly, Razed in Black, Assemblage 23 and Funker Vogt. I personally like Apoptygma Berzerk and VNV Nation too, although they seem to be not to be quite as angry. Your mileage may vary.

In less obscure areas, stuff like Crystal Method, Prodigy (hooray Fat of the Land), Juno Reactor, Chemical Brothers and Orbital are all pretty woosome. Particularly the first two if you're looking for something with some aggression, although the others have a few oomphy tracks too.

[Selerox]

As for recommendations, KMFDM are excellent, and I'm shocked that nobody has mentioned them considering they're fairly well-known and being angry is their whole thing. Their latest album Hau Ruck didn't really do a whole lot for me, but WWIII is excellent. There's a whole load of older albums too, some are slightly more hit and miss than others, but generally its great stuff. :)

I personally like Apoptygma Berzerk and VNV Nation too, although they seem to be not to be quite as angry.

KMFDM can be a little hit and miss, and Hau Ruck was definitly one of the "miss" ones. WWIII and ATTAK were pretty good as well. For those that want it heavier/metal style, try the albums NIHIL or ANGST as well.

I personally like Apoptygma Berzerk and VNV Nation too, although they seem to be not to be quite as angry.

VNV Nation's earlier stuff was a lot more edgy and a lot heavier. Their later stuff is a lot more dance oreientated, but it's just as good. Matter + Form was a little hit and miss for me, it has a few good tunes (Chrome, Perpetual, Arena), but also a few pretty weak ones. I think it had maybe too many instrumentals too, Futureperfect had some incredible instrumentals, but M+F's aren't anywhere near as good or as memorable, TBH "Lightwave" is the only decent instrumental on there. Empires and Futureperfect remain VNV Nation's best albums.

[Twisted Metal]

Lewis, you like taking pictures of yourself don't you? (assuming that the avatar is you)... lol sorry I just had to say that because it seems that every time I read a new post from you there is a different pic in your avatar. ;)

[Peavey]

it was basically the same lyrical themes, it just sounded alot more like punk. examples are these bands are Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Good Clean Fun etc. There are still bands that play somewhat similar music in the vein of that today, like Bane and Comeback Kid, who are immensely popular now.

Ohhhh don't EVEN get me started on Bad Brains. Hoooo boy, what an awesome band. Four black guys kicking ass and playing faster and crazier than anyone had ever heard at the time. Oh my goodness. Bad Brains gives me chills. The good kind. That's real hardcore.

[Trynant]

You could always listen to Limp Bizkit [/joke]

I think the balls in music went away from the actual industry and into the internet! The music companies know that angry people are pirates, so they cater to crappy emo stuff!

I don't listen unless I don't have CDs in my car or am breaking down. I hear that some good is coming out of the waste-bin though. The White Stripes are apparently playing they're new album (Get Behind Me Satan). I really have to look at what's good music these days :p

[Cap'n Beeb]

Dragonforce = Epic D&D cheese metal!

Edit:

Tarja got sacked after Nightwish went to Roadrunner? Big surprise there. :rolleyes:

[Lewis]

Lewis, you like taking pictures of yourself don't you? (assuming that the avatar is you)... lol sorry I just had to say that because it seems that every time I read a new post from you there is a different pic in your avatar. ;)
Just wanted a better picture than the other one hehe

[NeoNite]

Well, if I want some adrenaline pumping I listen to RATM's first album, Rammstein's "mutter"...and therapy?'s "troublegum". Thing is, most of those songs are depressing, so.. really hate that. There are few which are ok.

Mostly when it comes to metalbands, if they start yelling or you know.. the heavy/heavy thundering GRRRROOOWWWLLL..
:lol: I can't help it, but I'll start laughing.

It's like the muppet show on drugs.. something like that.

[Black_Seeds]

For all the Metal people here, I would recommend trying out 8 Foot Sativa, however you may be a bit hardpressed finding one of their CDs as they are an NZ band.

[TomWithTheWeather]

A few of the "heavier" bands I've been listening to recently include He Is Legend (http://www.purevolume.com/heislegend), Thrice (http://www.purevolume.com/thrice), Beloved (http://www.purevolume.com/beloved), Classic Case (http://www.purevolume.com/classiccase), and The Receiving End of Sirens (http://www.purevolume.com/TheReceivingEndofSirens). Smart, meaningful lyrics, with a good blend of actual talent-driven singing and screamy vocals. Loads of talent behind every instrument. Songs are very dynamic and punchy, and movingly powerful at times. Albums can actually be called albums, not a collection of singles. It might be a little too "pop/catchy" sounding for some of you guys that are a little insecure about your musical taste, but it's not "manufactured", in the bad sense of the word.

[togmkn]

Yeah, all of the new bands that are out suck; hardly anyone makes good music anymore. I usually only listen to the classic rock station. And even then, Sweet Emotion gets old after a while. Rarely do I hear a new song that sounds good to me. And when I do hear one, I hear ten more that sound exactly the same right after it. No wonder everyone has those things that let you play songs off of your MP3 player through your car stereo. <-- OMG, conspiracy.

[Bang Yr Head]

i'm going to plug a band that I think everyone should at least hear, they are called Racebannon and you can download a song of theirs here: CLICK (http://www.insound.com/mp3/mp3s.php?searchtype=Artist&searchby=Racebannon&submit.x=0&submit.y=0)

check out the second song "Clubberlang" first. one of my favorite bands ever.

[TomWithTheWeather]

No wonder everyone has those things that let you play songs off of your MP3 player through your car stereo. <-- OMG, conspiracy.

You mean the Ipod? Best money I ever spent. I don't even use my CD player or radio anymore. :)

[togmkn]

^ Well yeah an iPod but the adapter too. I gotta get onna those.

[TomWithTheWeather]

It'll cost you a little chunk of money, but it's worth it. :tup:

[Cap'n Beeb]

If your car's head unit has an AUX in line, you could just use a line cable from an iRiver into that. It's awesome.

[anaemic]

like how a "teenager" said to me "whoa man, korn? thats so old guy stuff"
i hope you punched him in the face multiple times :mad:

[Fuct]

I can't wait for the new Mogwai album. They really should have called it Glasgow Megasnake, though :lol:


I'm assuming you've gotten hold of the leak? ;). I just downloaded it a few days ago, brilliant album.

[tomcat ha]

I think good metal is still coming. While the band isnt exactly new the latest megadeth album is awesome. Opeth just released a nice album aswell. My fave new metal groups are all finnish. I think Finland is where its at in the area of metal. Aweome bands like Moonsorrow, Äirut, Viikate, Amorphis and Mokoma. For any kind of metal theres a Finnish band which does it awesomely well.