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DeeperShade
7th Dec 2005, 09:11 PM
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/81101/music-giants-bear-down-on-lyric-search-apps.html
Several developers of Mac software that search the Web for song lyrics have been issued with cease and desist orders by one of the big four record companies.

Walter Ritter, author of the pearLyrics application and widget that automatically searches the Web for song lyrics and adds them to the lyrics field in iTunes, said that he had been contacted by Warner/Chappell Music and asked to remove the software or face legal action.

'As a freeware developer I can not afford to risk a law suit against such a big company, although personally I don't see where pearLyrics should infringe any copyrights handled by them,' he writes in a statement on his website. 'After all pearLyrics only searches and accesses publicly available websites, displays, and, at the users wish, caches its content. Something that can easily be done with any combination of search engine and webbrowser too. Well, but I'm just a developer and not a lawyer.'

This latest move, which has also resulted in the disappearance from Apple's Dashboard pages of most of the lyrics widgets, is thought to be part of a wider campaign to prevent the publication and distribution of lyrics on the Internet. They are, after all, copyrighted.

According to Witter the letter he received drew parallel between the distribution of lyrics and the sharing of music via p2p networks.

'What disconcerts/disappoints me most however is that now, after fighting against illegal filesharing (something I can fully understand) and trying to shut down lyrics sites, Warner/Chappell seems to want to dictate Internet users what applications they are allowed to use for searching and browsing content on publicly available websites,' he says. 'I am not sure if they actually checked pearLyrics for what it does, or if they just thought, hey, let's try and just send a cease and desist letter, after all, this is just a little freeware developer and he won't risk standing up against us anyway.'

He adds that Warner/Chappell declined to respond to the two mails he sent, in which he argued that they may just have misunderstood what pearLyrics is about.

'If they did realize that pearLyrics is just a highly specialized webbrowser, then, well, then it is indeed a black day for the freedom of Internet and the users choice of tools to use,' he writes. 'Well, maybe they don't like caching, but then again, any webbrowser and even all the search engines use caching techniques, so where is the point? Could it be that those companies are too powerful for them to sue? And more importantly, what's next? Forbidding text editors because one might type copyrighted song lyrics?'


This is just so ****ing retarded it's unbelievable.
What next? Closing down the guitar tabs sites?
Are we not allowed to sing along to our favourite songs.
Can the music industry become any more ****ed up than it already is?

BobCobb
7th Dec 2005, 09:13 PM
I think the music industry will destroy itself. That is if people stop being apathetic and realize how heavy-handed and stupid the recording companies are, and once they realize that most of the crap is cheap commercial music.

Bang Yr Head
7th Dec 2005, 10:25 PM
and on that note i'd like to thank 98% of the bands I listen to for staying independant. this is just retarded... like. I have nothing to even say really. ****ing unbeleivable.

Peavey
7th Dec 2005, 11:06 PM
What the **** is this? Filesharing, okay. But this is ****ing RIDICULOUS :tdown: God damnit now I'm pissed about music in general. Be right back you guys, I need to start a thread.

Phopojijo
7th Dec 2005, 11:27 PM
and on that note i'd like to thank 98% of the bands I listen to for staying independant. this is just retarded... like. I have nothing to even say really. ****ing unbeleivable.I listen to Pearl Jam.

Meh, at least they took shots at Ticketmaster.

BITE_ME
8th Dec 2005, 02:45 AM
"Forbidding text editors because one might type copyrighted song lyrics?"

Sounds like they might just do it.

PS. "I hope you die"* record companies.

*copyrighted by the group Bloodhound gang.

http://www.bloodhoundgang.com/index2.html

" You must die I alone am best.

I hope ya flip some guy the bird
He cuts you off and you're forced to swerve
In front of the Beatles' tour bus
A Bookmobile and a Mack truck
Hauling hazardous biological waste
The light turns red you have no brakes
And "Hard Copy" gets it all on tape
So you can see the look on your face

Die die die die die die die
Die die die die die die die

I hope your Pinto begins to spin
Takes out a disabled Vietnam veteran
Mows down a Nobel Peace Prize winner
And maybe some orphans having Christmas dinner
Perhaps even the British Royal Family
And the Rabbi that's clutching the bottle-fed puppy
And we can't forget the newlyweds
And those Jerry's Kids are as good as dead

I hope this helps to emphasize
I hope this helps to clarify
I hope you die

I hope your cellmate thinks he's God
But C.N.N. refer to him as Bowling Ball Bag Bob
Serving time again for abuse of a corpse
Only this time the victim's a Clydesdale horse
While he masturbates to photos of livestock
He does the "Silence Of The Lambs" dance to Christian Rock
Eats feces and quotes from "Deliverance"
And fights with his imaginary playmate Vince

Die die die die die die die
Die die die die die die die

I hope he grins like Jack Nicholson
And forces you to play a game called Balls On Chin
And whatever happens next is all a blur
But you remember fist can be a verb
And when you finally regain consciousness
You're bound and gagged in a wedding dress
And the prison guard looks the other way
'Cause he's the guy ya flipped the bird the other day

I hope this helps to emphasize
I hope this helps to clarify
I hope you die

I hope you die"

sid
8th Dec 2005, 07:28 AM
This is fked up I mean whats the harm in looking over the internet for a bunch of song lyrics what are the music companies afraid of??
do they expect people to issue a seperate magazine for the sake of knowing lyrics?? I mean.....cmon!!!

_Zd_Phoenix_
8th Dec 2005, 08:16 AM
Well alot of the lyrics thread sucked, so yay! :p

Yea, stupid case though. :tdown:

tool
8th Dec 2005, 08:46 AM
This is just one more reason to keep the lyrics thread

MrSmiles
8th Dec 2005, 12:36 PM
strangely "i hope you die" is one of my favorite songs

and record companies are turning into a pain in the ***

Zxanphorian
8th Dec 2005, 03:16 PM
Yet another example of how big companies can get their way and get more money.

As for the lyrics, they should be free, like a "trial" for an actual song. Like trial software, that has limitations, the "limitations" of lyrics is that it doesn't have music built around it.

GotBeer?
8th Dec 2005, 03:45 PM
Are the music companies afraid we'll sing along to the songs without paying royalties?

Oh crap! I altered lyrics over in the "Never..." thread. Am I going to be put up against a wall and shot now?

BITE_ME
8th Dec 2005, 03:55 PM
Are the music companies afraid we'll sing along to the songs without paying royalties?

Karaoke :D

Meroin
8th Dec 2005, 04:44 PM
It's not going to be a problem except for Apple, the one who plays on the conscience of people to bum a dollar off of them for every song because the person fears they'll be "sued".

You'll still be able to get lyrics off the web, just like you can get every song on iTunes for free.

:tup:

Zaccix
8th Dec 2005, 06:26 PM
Sending a cease and desist letter to a freeware developer over a lyrics app is like sending one to MS because Word could be used to display a copyrighted novel. Absolutely f'in ridiculous.

ElectricSheep
9th Dec 2005, 01:03 PM
Its only going to get worse in 2006. The Music Publisher's Association (MPA) is planning on a sizable legal crackdown targeting sites which collect lyrics and guitar tabs. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm) They don't just want to shut the sites down, or even impose fines. They want to throw ****ing jail time in the mix.


Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,


Really? I must be totally blind for not seeing all of these homeless, starving songwriters as I trip over them in the streets. I decided to download the lyrics to the album I just ****ing bought from an online music distributor, so I must be a dirty criminal ripping the last crusts of bread from the cracked lips of a destitute artist. This asshat makes it sound like these guys are piling up in our gutters like so many concentration camp victims as a direct fault of lyric sites. What a crock of ****.


Are the music companies afraid we'll sing along to the songs without paying royalties?


Well, if you sing in public, you do have to pay royalties. You know when you go to a restaurant and they sing "Happy Birthday" to you? Guess what? The restaurant paid $$$ just so they could sing that song to you. The ASCAP actually threatened to sue the girl scouts for singing campfire songs without paying royalties. (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/ASCAP.html) Only after bad press was the threat withdrawn, but those ****ers did it in the first place. I mean, c'mon...the mother****ing GIRL SCOUTS.

DeeperShade
9th Dec 2005, 01:11 PM
If they take my guitar tabs away, I'm burning the nearest music recording studio I find.