X3 Teaser Trailer!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

X-Men 3 first look...

www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x3/

I don't know about the rest of you but I feel slightly better about the chances that the movie won't suck after seeing that...

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

I'm surprised no one seems interested! I mean there have been lots of negative things said about Ratner, but surely that can't have put everyone off seeing it can it?

[tool]

The first two were excellent, so I find it hard to believe that X3 has even a chance of not being good.

[Nines]

Will definitely go see it. Looks great. :tup:

[GotBeer?]

I have to download QT7, dammit.

[Rocket_Magnet]

oh, i thought you were referring to the game x3 the reunion... silly meh.

right lets go have a look

very impressive, the golden gate bridge being pulled to pieces really caught my eye

[badvermin]

I was really worried as well, but this trailer looks pretty damn good.

[GotBeer?]

OK, just saw it (Damn Apple anyway. QT6 not good enough anymore?). Looks good, lots of new mutants. I think I saw Sun from 'Lost'! I thought I had heard at one time that the girl that played River in 'Serenity' was going to be Kitty Pride in X3. I don't think I saw her.

[Xaero]

Beast, and Angel, and Jene Grey/Phoenix? Magneto blowing **** up. I'm looking foward to it!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

Ok, the trailer may not have looked like utter ****e, but didn't anyone else think it looked a bit dodgy in parts? Gene Grey and that door...angel's wings...looked slightly more 'fantastic 4' than the first X men I think :hmm:

[Nines]

The angel is Archangel, I believe. He's cool. Also, I spotted Beast a few times, he's cool too.
And Jean Grey will have turned into Phoenix, should be cool, she'll be hot, litterally. :D

[shadow_dragon]

Beast is definately in it and played by Kelsey Grammar no less. Worth seeing just for that in my opinion. From the link to the trailer it's possible to go to the official website it's got some images of the mutants in it. Definates are:

Kitty Pryde.
Jugernaut (Played by VInnie Jones. Second reason to watch. heh heh)
Collosus
Callisto
Angel
Beast

All fine with me, except i don't know who Callisto is really also Magneto has a lot of evil minions standing around him in that shot that other than the ones we already know are unknown.

I saw no sign of Nightcrawler oddly and, the inclusion of Beast i tihnk compensates for the no mention of gambit!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

The angel is Archangel, I believe.

Yea he will become Archangel in X-men law wen Apocalypse alters him.

[Nines]

Juggernaut and Colossus alone are good enough reasons for me to watch.
And Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut is even better!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

And Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut is even better!

He was bad in Gone in 60 Seconds even when he didn't speak!

Just watched it again but managed to get the big version to work this time...gave me the shivers :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/_Zd_Phoenix_/xpic.jpg

[NeoNite]

Lol, I figured they would've made old juggie look a little more .. impressive!

But ok..

All fine with me, except i don't know who Callisto is really

She used to be the leader of the morlocks, mutants hiding in the sewer system of New York.
They were a bunch of ugly bastards, society's outcasts. Real outcasts. All I know is that in the early 90s Masque took over etc.. don't know what became of Callisto.

She was a real warrior. No beauty queen, though. Course, she was a morlock. For a while.

[Psycho_Leech]

Juggernaut seems a little too small to me really, he should probably look a little bigger, although films like these often need to deviate slightly to look more believable, and some might consider a juggernaut with proportions the same as the comics would look silly.

Two other possible mutants are Madrox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrox) and Stacy X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_X), both have close likenesses appearing in the teaser.

[NeoNite]

I remember Madrox. He's from waaaaay back: Late seventies, early eighties.
The issue were protheus takes over one of his clones is excellent.

[Airmoran]

Beast? Awesomeness. He sorta-kinda popped up in the first movie as a dude defending mutants in that senate hearing. I wonder if they'll tie into that or just leave that scene as an irrelevant cameo.

But if they know what they're doing, Proff. X has to die at the end of this movie and/or be taken away by aliens.

[shoptroll]

or be taken away by aliens.

Nah, he'll join starfleet academy.

Sorry. I've been up too long today.

[Cat Fuzz]

I don't know why, but the idea of Kelsey Grammar playing The Beast just kicks ass in my mind. :tup:

I can't wait.

[NeoNite]

They should let Jean grey turn into Dark Phoenix.

That's what I was hoping for, at the end of X-men 2.

[shadow_dragon]

If the Xmen movies bring aliens into the story at any point i will instantly lose interest i'm afraid.

[NeoNite]

Not if it's the Shi'ar or the breed =)

[GotBeer?]

No, even if it's the Shi'ar or the breed.

Airmoran, why do you want Prof. X gone? Patrick Stewart getting too old?

[NeoNite]

Well, the breed can take over humans.. it doesn't necessarily have to be on an alien world =)

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

nah xmen has its realistic core that works, it'll work best it if sticks to that (and there's no reason to think it wouldn't).

[NeoNite]

As long as the aliens don't look ridiculous. BUT, I guess it's the path to follow, and the breed are alien-lookalikes anyway...

[Airmoran]

Airmoran, why do you want Prof. X gone? Patrick Stewart getting too old?
Naw, Patrick Stewart is my idol. He blew up the borg, took on Moby Dick, and is King Richard. And oh, he's the friggin' head of the Stonecutters Club. It's just that at the end of the cartoon series (and iirc, at some point during the comics), he gets hate crime'd, shot, and Magneto goes "screw taking over the world," and summons some aliens to take away Xavier.

I just figure since it's the last of a trilogy and the trailer looks like it's going to be dealing more with the "humans vs. mutants vs. evil mutants" pseudo-racism angle, it might be fitting that they kill off Proff. X in the last chapter.

[shadow_dragon]

Naw, Patrick Stewart is my idol. He blew up the borg, took on Moby Dick, and is King Richard. And oh, he's the friggin' head of the Stonecutters Club. It's just that at the end of the cartoon series (and iirc, at some point during the comics), he gets hate crime'd, shot, and Magneto goes "screw taking over the world," and summons some aliens to take away Xavier.

I just figure since it's the last of a trilogy and the trailer looks like it's going to be dealing more with the "humans vs. mutants vs. evil mutants" pseudo-racism angle, it might be fitting that they kill off Proff. X in the last chapter.

I hadn't heard it's the last in a trilogy!
I would think it'd be rather retarded for Marvel to end a perfectly good franchise before the oppurtunity to flog a dead hrose presented itself.

[Airmoran]

Yeah, I dunno about end of a trilogy. I just figured that hollywood is still up for the "movie with two sequels" pattern, but now that I think about it, there's probably gonna be 4 or more.

Eh, I guess Xavier's gonna bite it at one point or another, if he's supposed to be Martin Luther King Jr. while Magneto is Malcolm X.

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

I heard this was going to be the last film actually.

[Peavey]

Plus it has Vinnie Jones in it!

I wonder if he'll be slamming some poor sod's head in his car door like he does in the films he did for Guy Ritchie!

[edit] and pardon me for using the term "sod." You see, I get excited when I think about Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Barrels or Snatch and I start talking like the characters :( I'm not British at all :shake:

[edit2] OH **** and it says he's playing JUGGERNAUT! PERFECT! Oh man he's going to nail that role, he's so damn ruthless!

[GotBeer?]

Naw, Patrick Stewart is my idol. He blew up the borg, took on Moby Dick, and is King Richard. And oh, he's the friggin' head of the Stonecutters Club. It's just that at the end of the cartoon series (and iirc, at some point during the comics), he gets hate crime'd, shot, and Magneto goes "screw taking over the world," and summons some aliens to take away Xavier.Which cartoon series? The recent Fox show, or the older one? I don't remember that being the end of either, although the X-Men did meet the Shi'ar in the older show (and Charles fell in love with an alien).

[Kaithofis]

The cartoon series from the mid-90's ended with Xavier dying in the final episode. Iirc he would be taken away by that chick (Lilandra, wasn't it?) from another galaxy who fought D'Ken in on of the season finales.
But there're a lot of things and characters I want to see before that happens. Like Gambit, the Apocalypse and a decent beefed up Juggernaut for example.

Btw, whatever happened to Sabretooth?

[NeoNite]

vinnie jones is but 1m88 and he's playing Juggernaut?
Hmm... michael clark duncan would've been a better choice.. for example.
Huh? He's only 1.96? Figured he was 2.05 ...
Or some other BIG guy.

[edhe]

The cartoon series from the mid-90's ended with Xavier dying in the final episode. Iirc he would be taken away by that chick (Lilandra, wasn't it?) from another galaxy who fought D'Ken in on of the season finales.
But there're a lot of things and characters I want to see before that happens. Like Gambit, the Apocalypse and a decent beefed up Juggernaut for example.

Btw, whatever happened to Sabretooth?
Sabretooth and Toad don't appear to be coming back from what i've heard, which is a shame considering he's meant to be wolverine's dad i think (sabretooth). Also same with Nightcrawler, he was such a brilliant character and, i feel, carried the early parts of the x2 film.

[OO7MIKE]

So who wants to take a guess at who is who in this picture?

I think that is jean or pheonix on the far right.
Magneto is obvious
as is pyro
Not sure who the others are...


http://www.michaelbrinkerhoff.com/stuff/XMen3a.jpg

[Kaithofis]

Far left is Juggernaut
Fourth from the right is Callisto

[edhe]

And what is it that they do? :B

[GotBeer?]

For edhe, from left to right: The Unstoppable Juggernaut (invincible in his armor), some Asian guy (power probably involves martial arts), Magneto (control over metal), some metro-sexual guy (probably hair mousse +5), Callisto (don't know), what I'm assuming is a chick (cross-dressing +2 maybe?), Pyro (control over fire), and Phoenix (greater psycho-kinetic powers than Jean Gray (or Xavier even). Also, Jean wouldn't be siding with Magneto, so it has to be the Phoenix persona).

[shadow_dragon]

The power of the one next to pyro is to be able to wear visible bras whilst looking like a boy!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

what I'm assuming is a chick (cross-dressing +2 maybe?)

That's a man, fool.:tdown:

[GotBeer?]

That's a man, fool.:tdown:Cross-dressing power it is, then!

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

You think THAT'S cross dressing? Oh the naivity...

...on the other hand that does indeed look bra-like...

[Nines]

and Phoenix (greater psycho-kinetic powers than Jean Gray (or Xavier even). Also, Jean wouldn't be siding with Magneto, so it has to be the Phoenix persona).

Isn't Phoenix and Jean Gray the same person? :con:

[edhe]

Pheonix is ht evolution of Jean Grey, iirc.

Wikipedia is your friend.

[Nines]

Yes, Jean evolves into Phoenix, but she only gains greater powers, iirc. I could be wrong though.

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

Actually as I recall, Phoenix is another entity entirely, that is using Jean Grey's body. Although the person who mentioned the Phoenix persona presumably meant just that, that it was a different persona, which would obviously be the same body still.

Hence: 'isn't Phoenix and Jean Grey the same person?' is a pointless question.

[Nines]

But, in the latest magazines I have, Phoenix is on the good guys(X-men) side and is reffered to as both Jean and Phoenix.
In this upcoming movie, she seems to be on the bad guys(Magneto) side.
Do their "wills" co-exist in the same body? Who is in control? I'm totally lost here...

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

But, in the latest magazines I have, Phoenix is on the good guys(X-men) side and is reffered to as both Jean and Phoenix.
In this upcoming movie, she seems to be on the bad guys(Magneto) side.
Do their "wills" co-exist in the same body? Who is in control? I'm totally lost here...

To be honest it's been a long time since I got any of the comicbooks...All I remember is that there was one storyline where the Phoenix was killed but Jean Grey wasn't. Although I suppose it's possible that actually it later turned out that Phoenix was a part of Jean Grey and they just thought it had died.

Trying to work out the X-men history is bloody confusing.

[Nines]

That sounds like it could be correct.
Jean Grey becomes Phoenix(who is evil), Phoenix dies, Jean comes back and gets to keep Phoenix's powers. :)

[W0RF]

I'd ask Wolverine to expound on the differences between Jean and Phoenix but he's still crawling 4 miles to find where Hulk threw his legs. :rolleyes:

No Nightcrawler = teh suck
Frasier Beast = teh win
Early rumors of the storyline I've read = not promising
I hope they prove me wrong.

[Skold]

Here's what i remeber about Pheonix:

In the late 1970's, Jean Grey tried to pilot a space shuttle to earth and it crashed in Jamaica Bay. Everyone thought she died but she emerged as Phoenix, more powerful and with a darker side. It was assumed that the cosmic rays that gave a lot of Marvel heroes their powers did something to her.

In 1980 or so, Phoenix lost control of her powers and committed suicide (the "Dark Phoenix Saga"). That was that.

Or so we thought. In 1986, the Fantastic Four found a pod beneath Jamaica Bay that turned out to be Jean. Turns out, Phoenix was just some cosmic force thingy that impersonated her and locked her down there when the shuttle crashed! Whew! X-Factor was then formed from the 5 original X-Men, and Jean was just "regular Jean" again and never really was Phoenix in the first place.

And that was that. Well, except for the other Phoenix, Rachel Summers, the daughter of Jean and Cyclops from the future.

Heh - i haven't read the X-Men in a while, so who knows where this has all gone in the last 10 years.

[rajput_warrior]

^ it doesn't matter cause the movies have a completely different story, only thing they kept are the characters. i mean honestly the blackbird doesn't come out of the pool, it comes out of the basket court!!!!!!

[W0RF]

Or so we thought. In 1986, the Fantastic Four found a pod beneath Jamaica Bay that turned out to be Jean. Turns out, Phoenix was just some cosmic force thingy that impersonated her and locked her down there when the shuttle crashed! Whew! X-Factor was then formed from the 5 original X-Men, and Jean was just "regular Jean" again and never really was Phoenix in the first place.
Makes sense to me. I was trapped under the ocean for almost ten years with no food or water and I felt fine after.

This is historically regarded as one of the worst not-really-dead rewrites in the history of comic books. My personal least favorite is the snowjob they did to bring back Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern. That's in some other thread and I'm not going to derail the topic by going into THAT again.

But yeah, the movies only loosely follow some of the storylines that flow through the comics.

[shadow_dragon]

^ it doesn't matter cause the movies have a completely different story, only thing they kept are the characters. i mean honestly the blackbird doesn't come out of the pool, it comes out of the basket court!!!!!!

Well gosh!

It's unwatchable for me now! ;)

[GotBeer?]

You think THAT'S cross dressing? Oh the naivity...

...on the other hand that does indeed look bra-like...I know it's not full-on drag (hence only a +2), but that is a bra, under tight mesh, under a woman's-cut jacket, over pants showing way too much skin below the navel to be meant for a man. Kinda looks like Joaquin Phoenix, too.

I found Callisto's mutant ability, by the way: Enhanced tracking senses and fighting skills. How that will be portrayed in the movie, I don't know.

[NeoNite]

Don't forget the "Mr. Sinister and jean grey clone "madelyne pryor" thing.
She was an experiment.. it's a long story.

[OO7MIKE]

Thanks for the info guys. I admit I still have my collection from back in the day. I think i lost interest around 1995 when things went wierd...again. I just dont remember the details about every character.

I would imagine that some characters will come and go while others will stay as a big part of main xmen team. Although there are many characters that I would love to see in an xmen film I dont think having them all in one film would be very interesting. It would change the films dynamic all together. Hopefully there will be many more movies to come.

I am still looking forward to the Magneto movie... and I though I heard something about a wolverine movie? Wasn't brian singer going to head one of these movies?

[NeoNite]

I think there's a Wolverine movie planned for 2007.

You know which X-period in time I really liked? When the team "died", defending the earth from "the other". Roma vs. the other.
Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Havoc, Dazzler, Rogue, Longshot and Psylocke.
Roma "restored" them and offered a choice, a second chance. They became invisible for scanners, and hid in the Australia. In a small ghost town. When they arrived there, it was the home of the reavers. But they were taken by surprise and the x-men took over...

Marc silvestri drew those comis back then. I really like those.

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

I am still looking forward to the Magneto movie...

Is that like gonna be from childhood onwards? Because that would be brilliant...the opening sequence of X1 was fantastic, probably better than anything else in the movies to date. I hope they give it to a director who can really make it work like that.

[OO7MIKE]

Is that like gonna be from childhood onwards? Because that would be brilliant...the opening sequence of X1 was fantastic, probably better than anything else in the movies to date. I hope they give it to a director who can really make it work like that.


I think they said it would be. Its hard to do a movie all about one character and not revisit the past which defines a turning point in his life.

It looks like they pulled the HD videos from the trailer site and the official site. Thankfully I saved the 1080p trailer! I'm using it as a reference point for working with H.264 :-)

[Automatic Kafka]

Anyone know what the music was that played in that teaser?

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

I think they said it would be. Its hard to do a movie all about one character and not revisit the past which defines a turning point in his life.

obviously, but they cud do it in flashbacks, which i think wouldn't nearly be as good.

[OO7MIKE]

My mistake they simply moved it

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x3/hd/


As for the Music.... well this might help you out:

http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?p=109354

[cole_bie]

I was so suprised at the quality of the first two, especially the second one. I hope number 3 is no exception.

[Cat Fuzz]

I think they said it would be. Its hard to do a movie all about one character and not revisit the past which defines a turning point in his life.

It looks like they pulled the HD videos from the trailer site and the official site. Thankfully I saved the 1080p trailer! I'm using it as a reference point for working with H.264 :-)


How did you save it? I couldn't figure out how to do it. It kept wanting me to upgrade Quicktime and pay money.:(

[Automatic Kafka]

How did you save it? I couldn't figure out how to do it. It kept wanting me to upgrade Quicktime and pay money.:(


Firefox

Right Click > View Page Info > Click on Media > Find The File In The List > Select It > Click Save As

[Cat Fuzz]

Firefox

Right Click > View Page Info > Click on Media > Find The File In The List > Select It > Click Save As

That doesn't seem to work. I find the .mov file in the list and then save as...and all I get is a 10k .mov file that doesn't do anything.

[OO7MIKE]

quicktime pro is the easiest way to do it. Out of all the programs I used .. quicktime pro has the biggest bang for your buck.

There are other ways like looking into the source of the page and opening the stub .mov file in a text editor... but yeah its going to be a painful process.

[Cat Fuzz]

Bah, that costs money and I don't have any. Anyone want to send m some money?

[OO7MIKE]

http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/x-men_3/x-men_3-pre_teaser_h480p.mov
http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/x-men_3/x-men_3-pre_teaser_h720p.mov
http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/x-men_3/x-men_3-pre_teaser_h1080p.mov

Right click link... save link as

[Cat Fuzz]

Thanks Mikey!! I'll add this to my list of reasons why you rock! :rockon:

[_Zd_Phoenix_]

Everyone seen the latest trailer (as mentioned by Destro in the spiderman thread)?

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/

I gotta say, despite yet more Ratner worrying I've had, so far I think it looks really good! I mean he hasn't got Singer's skill, but I still think the movie is shaping up to be a decent end to the supposed trilogy.

Can't wait.

[Super Feen]

I think there's a Wolverine movie planned for 2007.

You know which X-period in time I really liked? When the team "died", defending the earth from "the other". Roma vs. the other.
Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Havoc, Dazzler, Rogue, Longshot and Psylocke.
Roma "restored" them and offered a choice, a second chance. They became invisible for scanners, and hid in the Australia. In a small ghost town. When they arrived there, it was the home of the reavers. But they were taken by surprise and the x-men took over...

Marc silvestri drew those comis back then. I really like those.

man this is gonna make me dig through my old comics tonight, I believe that story line was called Fall of the Mutants and it was indeed fantastic. I remember the battle outside some building against a Mystique-led villain team, and Blob sitting on Wolvie only to recieve a snikt up his butt:lol:

[Evil_Cope]

Actually Juggernaught is unstoppable because of the power of, if i recall, "the crimson gem of cytorak" or so, (in the comics, at least) and when in motion he physically cannot be stopped. Literally. The helmet is not armour per say, it is usually some kind of anti-psionic thing, because that's his only real weakness.

(afaik in the movie he is merely a mutant. In the comics, he isn't a mutant at all, merely mystically empowered.) Calisto is not particularly flashy. she's just stronger than normal, with the senses etc, yeah. It's a shame, almost, but she looks a lot prettier in the movie than her traditional appearence.


The Xavier "dying"/magneto changing storyline from the series, by the sounds of it, is based on an old storyline in the comics(duh), where Xavier is wounded, and only the Shiar have the technology to save him. (it happens at the end of a storyline involving magneto standing trial/facing up to what he'd become, and he gets left in charge of the "new mutants" in xaviers stead. a good storyline, that one). (so, like, no. Xavier doesn't die in the end of the series, because the storyline it's stolen from is exactly the same. but he's basically gone, after that. )

The pheonix-jean grey thing, oh brother. yeah, awkward ret-con and generally awkward labeling.
Originally, the pheonix was a primal universal force, no awareness. yada yada yada, it happens across jean grey, trying to pilot a shuttle back to earth during a massive cosmic radiation event, (no chance of success, she was dying.) It takes her place, saving the x-men and putting her body in the regenerative "pod", that the avengers later find, because the damage was that severe, and because it could then have fun literally being Jean Grey. (though throughout the Pheonix saga it is assumed, in a nod to the fact that it's retconned heavily, that the pheonix was at least conciously convinced it actually was jean grey.)
However, i'm pretty sure that seperate from the pheonix saga, and the whole daughter-from-the-future thing (rachel, who iirc possesses a portion of the pheonix's power, or did perhaps?) Seperate from all that, Jean does or eventually will use the code-name Pheonix, and it can be used in the original sense as referring to the ultimate expression of Jean's mutant potential. Cause, you know, retconning the original saga isn't confusing enough. :D

I'm guessing the ugly and/or cross dressing fellows in the back of the picture are random morlocks.

Oh, and the "aliens R dumb" thing is one of the reasons i am less interested in the self-conciously gritty "ultimate" brand. There won't be any, because they don't fit in the whole little trilogy thing, but cross dimensional, cross time, and interstellar adventures are as integral a part of "the X-men" as the racism/prejudicial parallels. Of course, the movies being mostly based on the ultimate x-men, you alien-hating peeps are pretty comprehensibly safe.

[Destro7000]

I wonder if Wolverine's ever gonna wear his famous yellow suit? People keep saying it would look silly, but hey, Spider-man is bright red & blue - can't they just de-saturate the yellows and, y'know NOT make it out of lycra? :lol:

Oh well, we can only hope. I always have that picture in my mind from the cartoon of him slicing into the neck of a sentinel robot. Classy.

[Synastren]

Actually as I recall, Phoenix is another entity entirely, that is using Jean Grey's body. Although the person who mentioned the Phoenix persona presumably meant just that, that it was a different persona, which would obviously be the same body still.

Hence: 'isn't Phoenix and Jean Grey the same person?' is a pointless question.
Ok, we need to clear some stuff up.
Jean -> Dark Phoenix -> Phoenix.
Jean was possessed by some extraterrestrial force which made her abilities incredibly stronger; as she was possessed, though, Jean had no control. Eventually, they came to an understanding, and the Phoenix entity left Jean, but left a piece of its power behind (and created a psuedo-Jean to be it's physical form). The resulting Jean + Phoenix's power == Phoenix, stronger, but Jean Grey.

Sabertooth is Wolverine's half-brother, not his father.
(As an aside, according to the comics, Nightcrawler is Mystique's son...)

Professor Xavier has no telekinetic powers; his powers are purely telepathic in nature. This means that he can't throw things around with his mind, but he can read minds, possess people, and so on... and he's the strongest telepath in the world (possibly farther).

As far as I know, Professor X only died in the comics during the recent splinter-story of Age of Apocalypse: in the true story, Professor Xavier is very much alive. He is, however, cut off from the team in Astonishing X-Men; the team is lead by Cyclops and Emma Frost ( :o! ).

[edit]I don't like Ultimate X-Men much; I find Astonishing to be much better, both in quality, and in that in Ultimates every-bloody-person-who-has-powers is a bum****ing teenager, it seems. Emo to the -max-. It's annoying.

This seems to be true about 90% of the Ultimates brand, so... (And why the hell does Wolverine have a goatee?!).

[edit2]You know, I was in the local comic store a few days ago, and I found something that really irritated me. X2: The Comic. Ok, let's run through this: it's a comic based on a movie based on a comic. WTF?

[Kaithofis]

And now for some caps:

http://www.baden.myadsl.nl/XMen1.JPG

Well, that looks to be a man. But that also certainly looks like a bra.
It seems the gender of thie character is a mystery. There's Pyro and Magneto in the background looking amazed and puzzled. I can't blame them though.


http://www.baden.myadsl.nl/XMen2.JPG
Colossus! Woo!
Need I say more?


http://www.baden.myadsl.nl/XMen3.JPG
Finally, that asian guy we talked about after the first trailer apparently has the ability to morph into a porcupine.
Kinda reminds me of that "Spike" character from the most recent (and bad) television series.

This movie is starting to look pretty cool. Though I can't stop thinking how much cooler it could've been if they brought in characters like Gambit.
Let's just hope this isn't the last of a trilogy...

[Synastren]

Ok, my last post was wrong (on the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix issue). I just misread some stuff and missed the very beginning. I conversed with some of my friends, and we came to what we think is the most right series of events.

Originally, the pheonix was a primal universal force, no awareness. yada yada yada, it happens across jean grey, trying to pilot a shuttle back to earth during a massive cosmic radiation event, (no chance of success, she was dying.) It takes her place, saving the x-men and putting her body in the regenerative "pod", that the avengers later find, because the damage was that severe, and because it could then have fun literally being Jean Grey. (though throughout the Pheonix saga it is assumed, in a nod to the fact that it's retconned heavily, that the pheonix was at least conciously convinced it actually was jean grey.)
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While Jean was piloting the ship back to earth, and was being radiated to a puddle of goo, the Phoenix came to her and they made a deal: the two would bond rather deeply, and the Phoenix would protect Jean and so forth. In return for this, the Phoenix would get a small part of Jean Grey to use as a sort of avatar. The ride was more-or-less a success. Phoenix, placed Jean Grey in this restoration cocoon (which was later found by the Fantastic Four at the bottom of Hudson Bay), and took the form of Jean Grey.

Now, as the story goes on, Phoenix stays with the X-Men for a short time, and then goes to fight the mad emperor of the Shiar (I think their name is). Eventually, the emperor is defeated, though at the cost of a few suns--and the Shiar want Phoenix dead for making a few new novas. I believe that this is repelled.

After this little spat, Phoenix is corrupted by the Hellfire Club and becomes the Dark Phoenix. The Dark Phoenix goes around raising hell (oh, how clever!) and so on. Somehow, the little bit of Jean Grey in the Dark Phoenix manages to gain control for a short time, and commits suicide. Thus ends this part of the story.

After the Fantastic Four find Jean Grey's cocoon, she's brought back to the surface, only marginally more powerful than she was before with none of the Phoenix's powers. However, something happens involving Wolverine where Jean dies, awakening the powers of the Phoenix within her (they did bond after all), and she revives. This time, however, it isn't the Phoenix, but that she became so powerful through the bonding that she uses her own powers to mimic the Phoenix.

Later on in the story, getting most current, a Magneto imposter killed Jean Grey (Phoenix level) for good, it seems; as such, in the current X-Men mythos, Jean Grey is dead.

[TomWithTheWeather]

OMG can't wait. :)

[Evil_Cope]

Later on in the story, getting most current, a Magneto imposter killed Jean Grey (Phoenix level) for good, it seems; as such, in the current X-Men mythos, Jean Grey is dead.

That'll last. :lol:

He don't know me vewy well, do he?

[[Ci]Mazza]

In ultimate Juggernaut is just a mutant so I guess they're going with that for simplicity of origins sake. Much in the same way that they won't go with the original venom origin story in any spidey movie.

Vinnie Jones playing one of my all time favourite comic book characters? No thanks. Unless he screams, "I'M COMING FOR YOU CHARLES XAVIER!" at some point. All would be forgiven if we got that line.

[Super Feen]

Mazza']In ultimate Juggernaut is just a mutant so I guess they're going with that for simplicity of origins sake. Much in the same way that they won't go with the original venom origin story in any spidey movie.

in upcoming issues of Ultimate X-Men Juggs goes for the Gem of Cytorrak, so there is still hope!

and I'm all for changing the Venom origin in the movie cuz any kind of Secret Wars explanation/movie would inevitebly fail

[[Ci]Mazza]

in upcoming issues of Ultimate X-Men Juggs goes for the Gem of Cytorrak, so there is still hope!

and I'm all for changing the Venom origin in the movie cuz any kind of Secret Wars explanation/movie would inevitebly fail

Nice. I've not really been reading much ultimate, I'm more of a 616 kinda guy.

Agree on the venom. Secret wars was silly enough in a comic, don't really fancy anyone getting the idea to film it ;)

[GotBeer?]

And now for some caps:

http://www.baden.myadsl.nl/XMen1.JPG

Well, that looks to be a man. But that also certainly looks like a bra.
It seems the gender of thie character is a mystery. There's Pyro and Magneto in the background looking amazed and puzzled. I can't blame them though.

This movie is starting to look pretty cool. Though I can't stop thinking how much cooler it could've been if they brought in characters like Gambit.
Let's just hope this isn't the last of a trilogy...
I think my old comment still applies, except for the Joaquin Phoenix part:I know it's not full-on drag (hence only a +2), but that is a bra, under tight mesh, under a woman's-cut jacket, over pants showing way too much skin below the navel to be meant for a man. Kinda looks like Joaquin Phoenix, too.
That's Charles' funeral, right? Damn...
I'll wait until I've seen the movie to decide if I'll be upset that it's only a trilogy.

[Myrmidion]

Mazza']"I'M COMING FOR YOU CHARLES XAVIER!"

The next time I hear you say that, I'm breaking out the piano wire. ;)

'Sides, everyone knows that Collossus is the best character. Nothing like punching someone through two walls to prove a point. :)