X-Box 360 can't keep its cool.

[Demosthanese]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1712&Itemid=2

[Cap'n Beeb]

$10 says these clods are leaving their console on the carpet.

[Harrm]

$10 says these clods are leaving their console on the carpet.

That would be entirely too convenient for comedic entertainment.

--Harrm

[Mappie]

Happned with my friend's too. Not on a carpet......hooray to microsoft. Way to fruck it up again. Youd think they would have taken a slight look at this issue beforehand.

[DEFkon]

Well at least MS is trying to handle it properly. I read somewhere that MS will pay for having a faulty system over-nighted, fixed, and over-nighted back if your having issues.

[Mappie]

That does not change the fact that they are pretty damn retarted.

[TheShiningWizard]

Yeah, because this is the first console ever to have some hardware issues after debuting.

[chuckus]

Well hardware issues is one thing... having to suspend your power adapter from your ceiling for adequate cooling is another.

I mean they could have drilled more holes in the case or something!

[geogob]

Yeah, because this is the first console ever to have some hardware issues after debuting.

No but in 2005, you would expect someone being able to build a freakin' computer that doesn't overheat. I mean come on. It's a pretty dumb thing to do to release a computer in a package prone to overheating.

It's not like something you can't test or experience before hand. How something so important went passed the testing stage is beyond me. The only thing I would imagine is that there is a flaw on the (or one of the) fabrication lines. Which would be ridiculous too because the minimum level of quality assurance would be to ensure that what comes out of the lines are working correctly.

If only a "few" package from a line comes out with problems, with the numbers we've see, it would mean that there are major flaws in the production lines. That also would be rediculous considering what can be done today in term of quality assurance.

I'd be ready to be that they release them fully aware of the issue. It's just too hard to imagine that an hardware issue of that sort might have been overlooked.

[zeep]

There was a funny xbox commercial posted in one of those lnked forums. It seems to be banned. Dunno if it's old news already anyway but i think it's cool.

http://www.break.com/articles/xbox360banned.html

[Cap'n Beeb]

That does not change the fact that they are pretty damn retarted.

Haha.

I guess I can understand why they banned this XBox 360 commercial, its a little morbid.

Wow, someone is a giant ***** with no sense of fun.

[DEFkon]

No but in 2005, you would expect someone being able to build a freakin' computer that doesn't overheat. I mean come on. It's a pretty dumb thing to do to release a computer in a package prone to overheating.

I dunno i think it would be the other way around. Generally the more complex a design is.. the more apt it is to have things go wrong with it. But the design philosophy isn't "can we make a Computer that doesn't overheat." It's can we build a high end computer, mass produce it under a strict time table, for as cheaply as possible." What's the quote... ?

"The designer's plans are not complete when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to remove." In other words they probably were like "The specs say there should be no problems - but they're right to the wire. So if something isn't put together just right then it'll have issues? - Yeah, but when is that not the case? Oh good point. OK lets do it.

[StevenGarcia]

LOL. Loved the commercial. People are too uptight.

[UN17]

Microsoft wants to avoid another idiotic lawsuit like: My son was killed by local police when he brandished his imaginary gun and pretended to shoot three of his friends. I blame the Xbox commercial!

[geogob]

DEFkon, I disagree. It's a know fact by any engineer (or what should be know IMO) in that field that you cannot build a system (whether it is high-end, hi-performance, low-cost, what ever) without taking into considering thermal management. With bad thermal management it simply will not work. Also, it is possible to do packaging that are thermally advantaged that have good and functional design. Even using fanless technologies, and that with very high-performance hardware.

With all the latest advances in thermal management, there is simply no excuses. Especially knowing how sensitive modern CPU are both sensitive to overheating and prone to overheat due to their nature (high clock speed - microwave band, high voltage/power, very small structures - 0.6 um or smaller these days).

[Nukeproof]

It's kind of embarrasing for MS but that's life.

The automotive industrie isn't that much different - they just face bigger lawsuits if they screw up... and still unbelievable sh1t occurs:

A 100K, brand new BMW switching off everything when reaching 10.000 km and requesting standard maintenance service - while going 160mph on the left lane :p

Engineers who have been working in automotive developement for a while will advise you to buy the old model at the time when they release the new one (unlike everybody else) - that's when they have production and quality 100% under control ;)

[Mappie]

Hmmm, Ive never thought about it that way, but it makes perfect sense. Plus you will save a bit of money on the purchase. If its "that good" you can stand to wait. Good point to bring up Nukeproof.

[Keganator]

Honestly...I think they came a long way from 'two box fans blowing on our demo box" if these little overheating problems are all there are :p

PS: That commercial is awesome.

[The_Pikeman]

Looks like that overheating is the least of the xbox 360's problems:

Microsoft Xbox 360 refuses to replace scratched discs (http://www.gameshout.com/news/122005/article1785.htm)

Several members from GameSHOUT are getting fedup with Xbox 360 defects. According to Microsoft, they will not refund or replace discs that are scratched from the Xbox 360 video game console. However, they will offer "Perfect Dark Zero" for free.

One GameSHOUT member, going by the name "Insanity Rulez" stated that the Microsoft Xbox 360 failed to save his "Call of Duty 2" video game. All stats are gone, and he got an error when making any attempts to resume his game mission. He stated, "I took out my game and checked it over and the 360 had totally ruined my game! It looks like someone took a pencil with the eraser side down [covered with sand paper] and touched the disk while spinning it! There is a perfect circle around the center of the disk and it prevents it from working on certain missions."

It's not just one Xbox 360 gamer, it's becoming a daily thing now as more GameSHOUT members report their defects. CD scratching appears to be the most common defect.
-How.

[Crowze]

Wow... how they missed that in testing is beyond me, even with their stupidly accelerated cutting-corners-to-beat-the-competition-because-if-we-released-at-the-same-time-we-would-lose timescale.

Does anyone have any info on actually how widespread these problems are? Say, 1%, 2% of all consoles sold?

[WWE]

and i was thinking about getting a xbox 360 (when available) but I dont want that happening to mine

[DEFkon]

wow that's a major design flaw... i wonder if these problems are from people who run the system verically rather than horizontally.. i remember that when the ps2 came out i would occasionally see these types of scratches caused by badly seated/balanced discs, and it was almost always from users who prefered the vertical mounting. On rare occasions it was due to something being applied to the disc. (some retnal/retail places would apply stickers with ID numbers directly to the disc) But honestly i think the culprit is probably linked to the heating of the disc.