the Xbox 360 is huge lol thread

[tool]

People have already started getting their Xbox 360 games, and the system comes out on November 22nd. Next week, either Monday or Tuesday at the earliest people who won a system in the mountain dew contest will be getting their systems.

I didn't really care that much at first for the xbox 360, despite loving my Xbox. But since i'm getting one in December i'm pretty excited now. That and the system is almost here, so a lot more infomation is known about it. And its brand new and exciting, and has to do with video games, so whats there not to be excited about?

This is the best buy launch day list of games:

Amped 3
Activision Call of Duty 2
Sega Condemned
EA FIFA 2006: Road To The FIFA World
Activision Gun
Microsoft Kameo Elements of Power
Peter’s Jackson’s King Kong
Madden NFL 2006
NBA 2K6
NBA Live 2006
Need For Speed Most Wanted
Perfect Dark Zero
Perfect Dark Zero (Limited Edition)
Project Gotham Racing 3
Quake 4
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2006
Tony Hawk: American Wasteland

Very good list, all the EA Sports games got huge graphic overhauls from their current gen counter parts. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2006 and Madden 06 look incredible. But out of all those Xbox 360 games, NBA 2k6 is by far the best looking one graphically so far. I hope condemned comes out for the PC, but as far as I know its a xbox 360 exclusive.

If you get a Xbox 360 on launch day please take pics. Ooh and the Xbox 360 is actually much smaller then the Xbox, but still big for a console.

[Kantham]

If id get it i would definately look foward

Need For Speed Most Wanted

and

Perfect Dark Zero

[ThirtySixBelow]

I really want to play PGR3

[tool]

I really want to play PGR3

Ooh god yes, this is the game i'm looking forward to the most. Disappointed in the number of cars however (only 90), but they are real good cars!

[W0RF]

I'm a little baffled by games coming out before the console. Was there a reason they did that? Supply? Marketing? Why not just sandbag a couple weeks and release them with the console?

[tool]

I couldn't find a answer for that either, I think it might be because originally the Xbox 360 was suppose to come out November 15th and a whole bunch of publishers set their games for that date.

[ThirtySixBelow]

Ooh god yes, this is the game i'm looking forward to the most. Disappointed in the number of cars however (only 90), but they are real good cars!

"Each car has taken seven weeks to complete so no minute detail has been overlooked. The interiors, exteriors, and all mechanical parts have been accurately modeled and textured with specs provided directly from the car manufacturers. Each of the cars in the game were put on dynos to nail down the proper specs, plus individual microphones were attached to over 200 different sections of the car to capture the true sound of every mechanical element as they make sweet music together."

Given that amount of detail they are putting into just the cars, I am amazed they managed to get 90 into the game :eek: The environments in that game are insaine. They said it's going to be a little more realistic, but still keeping the arcade flavor which is good. I never got to play PGR2 on xbox live because I didn't feel like paying for xbox live. Now that you get it "free" with 360, that's just one more reason for me to want this game.

[Trynant]

This is the best buy launch day list of game:

Perfect Dark Zero


List has been edited to show games you'd actually want to play.

[BobCobb]

Teh graphix r purty. And thats about it.

I dunno, the 360 seems to me to be the least exciting of all the next gen consoles. The PS3 seems is better as far as tech, and the Revolution is better as far as innovation. I don't see anything special with the 360 more than an upgraded Xbox. Can someone attempt to enlighten me?

[W0RF]

Their online component looks very good. Live now has integration between the GamerTag and the XBox website, lots more game info integration, you can be watching a DVD and someone on your friends list might pop up a chat window or say "hey, I'm in a Halo 7 game" or something, plus the wireless connection to PCs, especially with Windows Media Center...

... if there's one thing I'd say you could be excited about, it's the huge amount of work that went into the online component. It's very robust.

[Cap'n Beeb]

Perfect Dark 0 has akimbo single action revolvers.

DUAL. SINGLE. ACTION. REVOLVERS.

Cleanup on isle pants.

[BobCobb]

Yes, I would enjoy the online component. But I already have all of that on my pc. In fact I have much more than that on my pc when it comes to the internet. I think it is pretty cool, but I have never really been into the online console scene.

EDIT: What kind of revolvers beeb? Do you know?

[Cap'n Beeb]

I can't tell what they're based off of from the video I just watched. But damn, the animations are hot.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=972&assetTypeId=2&shotId=0

[W0RF]

Yes, I would enjoy the online component. But I already have all of that on my pc. In fact I have much more than that on my pc when it comes to the internet. I think it is pretty cool, but I have never really been into the online console scene.
I have always had the "I get the same thing on my PC" feeling from the XBox strategy, so I get what you're saying there. I'm just saying as the consoles go, it seems to have the most to offer (I forgot about Live Arcade which is going to have a number of smaller games which may draw some more independent material), and they went to great lengths to do a lot with it. Which makes sense because Live has easily been the biggest draw XBox had; that and Halo saved it from permanent irrelevance and made it the #2 console. But as you said, PC gamers may find that they already get this experience playing PC games and using the PC intarweb.

[Cap'n Beeb]

I wonder if there will be any reason to use Xlink Kai now that Live! comes in a free flavor. Once softmod hacks and modchips are out, I could see a use for it, but as of right now, nah.

And that's assuming that Kai will be 360 friendly.

Edit:

Forgot to mention it. Condemned went gold a couple of weeks ago or so, so we might see it as a launch title :) Saint's Row on the other hand was pushed back to Spring 2006 :(

[BobCobb]

Those animations are pretty hot I must admit. I hope they come out with some games that aren't so arcady for the xbox. Haven't seen one yet. :(

[W0RF]

not much chance of that. Check the difference in game speed between UT2004 and UC2 and you get an idea of how "arcadey" you can expect your games to be.

[BobCobb]

Never played UC2. I'm supposing it felt pretty arcadey. Oh well, I suppose the masses will never accept realism in video games.

[Cap'n Beeb]

You said the "R" word, faggotry in three.

UC2 was rather fun, I thought :)

[hal]

Tool, you've somehow forgotten to add this to your first post:
:360:

[W0RF]

Realism in video games makes me post this link (http://www.muchosucko.com/links29-1420-20T.html).

[BobCobb]

Faggotry.

I enjoy realism in games, I enjoy unrealistic games. I'd just like to see more mainstream games that implement realistic physics engines, realistic models, etc. I understand there is a large amount of games that would be stoopid if they were more realistic(UT2004), but I just want more console games that aren't so arcadey it is stupid. Take COD2 for instance...

[Synastren]

I can't tell what they're based off of from the video I just watched. But damn, the animations are hot.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=972&assetTypeId=2&shotId=0

Oh. My. God.
You've just given me a reason to want the 360 so bad I can taste it. Holy ****.

[BobCobb]

Does it taste like burning?

[Synastren]

It tastes like disappointment in myself, and lack of monies.

[BobCobb]

I have had that taste stuck in my mouth since birth. :(

[Synastren]

If you have a face like your avatar, that should be a taste of severe disappointment.

[BobCobb]

Nah, I don't mind my face. Mostly lack of the monies and laziness.

[Synastren]

Same here. Mostly the lack of monies. I'm comfortable with my laziness, because it takes effort to care.

[JaFO]

Only 3 original games (Gun, Condemned and Kameo) in that list ???
And just 1 if you ignore multiplatform-titles like Gun and Condemned ...

NFS:MW is sort of fun (at least the demo was), but I can't help feeling that it's a bit empty on the inside.

I'm still convinced that I did the good thing by not pre-ordering the 360.
I just hope that the multi-media-features don't require XP or the Mediacrap-edition to use. In fact it's that part of the 360-specs that makes me consider buying one (in the future).

The games themselves are pretty lame and boring considering that any EA-title will be multiplatform and the rest of them are mere sequels with one or two exceptions.

[Kantham]

I can't tell what they're based off of from the video I just watched. But damn, the animations are hot.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=972&assetTypeId=2&shotId=0


:(

Looks a bit too EA 'ish FPS game imho, ill have to try it out first before saying anything, i don't like the wall cover thing for one second. Neither the vehicles and players face, it's a bit too conker'ish. The previous perfect dark was way more serious than this. Not to talk about the music. EVERYTHING changed.

[Cap'n Beeb]

Maybe you should, oh, I dunno, play the game before saying everything changed.

And Conker-ish features in a Rare game? Why I never! ;)

[Synastren]

The previous perfect dark was way more serious than this. Not to talk about the music. EVERYTHING changed.
Reload noises were the same. Animations are what Perfect Dark's would have been, I'm sure. I distinctly heard "You'll pay for that!" which is quite reminiscent of the original.

I don't suppose that the music had anything to do with it being a promotional video, or anything like that.

It looks to me like an updated version of PD1.

[tool]

FINALLY THE GOD DAMN COMPABILITY LIST FOR XBOX 360

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

[BobCobb]

Meh, don't expect release games to be original or good. Never buy a system when it gets released if you want great games off the bat. you always have to hope that in the future there will be good games. I bought my PSP not long after release, and the first game I bought blew donkey nuts. Luckily homebrew kept me interested until I could get Burnout legneds, and then GTA. But anyways, release titles suck. Its a scientifically proven fact.

[Bean316]

While I will get one, and I think I'll have a good time, there is nothing on the list that makes me all that hot and bothered. If I had to pick one, I'd say Condemned, just because of the potential. Most solid goes to Kameo, just because I <3 Rare. PDZ looks decent (yeah, wicked weapons...and no jumping...I'm not one to question design decisions at Rare, but..you can't even go off edges...wtf?) Besides that, nothing does it for me.

Oh, and the car thing. Guess what. Same thing since Gran Turismo 3. I remember reading that same interview...5 years ago.

[Olga]

Isn't The Elder Scrolls IV launch day? Or does that come later? Either way its very sexy.

[Capt.Toilet]

Isn't The Elder Scrolls IV launch day? Or does that come later? Either way its very sexy.

Negative, Elder Scrolls IV got pushed back to beginning of next year.

As for the whole xbox 360 launch, only one title impresses me and thats Perfect Dark Zero, only because ive played the N64 one. 360 games are also launching at 60 buckers which is something I havent seen since the N64 days. I doubt it will affect sales, but then again stranger things have happened.

[JaFO]

FINALLY THE GOD DAMN COMPABILITY LIST FOR XBOX 360

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

No Project Gotham Racing and no Burnout ???
Well ... at least Forza is playable on the 360.

And what's with those deerhunter-games ?
They really made those for the Xbox ?

[Kantham]

Maybe you should, oh, I dunno, play the game before saying everything changed.

Ever since i've seen the screenshots i started to wonder what would happen. The serious side of pd have now more colors and "cover feature" More traps for the ai. I also noticed the weapon sound don't changed. Maybe they are beta? If you look at the unreal engine presentations, they always use the same god damn jumping and walking sounds in their presentations. They just wanted to bring up "more action" for PDZ. Well, i won't be the first one to cry out loud if they put REAL fps shotter control. Since the "L to Aim" was pretty doll. Well acording the n64 controller it was ok.

Comon, admit the true side of PD was those Funny AI that react like in Golden eye when you shot 'em up. But have a lot improved.

And Conker-ish features in a Rare game? Why I never! ;)

I guess i might get used to it. Like the BU front page...


Reload noises were the same. Animations are what Perfect Dark's would have been, I'm sure. I distinctly heard "You'll pay for that!" which is quite reminiscent of the original.

I've clearly heard "she's reloading!", "she's behind that wall!" , "She's armed! (WTF!)"

I don't have anything to say about animation quality. That cover thing just sound pretty doll. the "hold l + directional button" was perfect. Oh well..

I don't suppose that the music had anything to do with it being a promotional video, or anything like that.


Hopefuly you're right. The music in PD1 was so great actualy.

[tool]

No Project Gotham Racing and no Burnout ???
Well ... at least Forza is playable on the 360.

And what's with those deerhunter-games ?
They really made those for the Xbox ?

I really question their compatibility list. However this list will be updated with more games once the Xbox 360 comes out. Its Microsofts goal to get as many of the 688+ Xbox games playable on the Xbox 360.

[missPoopShoot]

No Project Gotham Racing and no Burnout ???
Well ... at least Forza is playable on the 360.

I'm surprised about Burnout, but not shocked about PGR... considering PGR3 is one of the launch titles.

[tool]

People are already getting their Xbox 360's now and reviews are starting to come in. :clap:

Project Gotham Racing 3 got a 10/10 over at 1up.com and IGN.com

Most of the 360 games so far are getting around a 8. Not bad for launch titles. 6 months from now I think the list of 360 games are going to be amazing.

And in other very good news Final Fantasy XIII might be on the xbox 360 and playstation 3.

[ThirtySixBelow]

FINALLY THE GOD DAMN COMPABILITY LIST FOR XBOX 360

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

What do you know, halo made the list, i was worried that all the college noobs on my hall wouldn't be able to have their halo "tournaments" anymore.

[tool]

They can't play Halo 2 on Xbox live though, atleast not yet. I'm laughing at all those idiots who sold their Xbox thinking that the 360 will play all their xbox games perfectly. Talk about a harsh lesson in how hardware works.

Seriously, you may aswell keep your Xbox and still use it for your xbox games, you won't get anything for it sell it anyways. Used it isnt even worth one Xbox 360 game.

[Gapper]

I actually got my hands on one last weekend (PowerUnlimited Gameplay expo in Holland) and played Call of Duty 2.

I have to say that I was a little disappointed. I was expecting a huge improvement in the games and graphics etc and I have to say that it was not a huge improvement over the current graphics on my PC.

It's a shame as I was really tempted to treat myself to one .. but I think I will spend the money on a PC upgrade (new NVidia card) ready the new Unreal Engine.

[Cap'n Beeb]

Keep in mind it's the first run of the next-gen tech. Give it some time and developers will be able to fine tune graphics and really put some shine on stuff.

[tool]

It uses 3 CPU's and requires a completely new programming language to make games for. The 360 is much harder to program for, and all the launch titles and games coming out this year were made on a beta SDK.

[W0RF]

Not to mention that as far as I know, none of them actually utilize multi-core programming at this point. So the presence of multiple CPU's is not necessarily translating into use of the design yet.

BAck on topic, leave it to MS to not be able to emulate their own hardware.

[hyrulian]

It uses 3 CPU's and requires a completely new programming language to make games for. The 360 is much harder to program for, and all the launch titles and games coming out this year were made on a beta SDK.
Probably still easier than programming the Sega Saturn, which had 8 processors (including 2 CPU's) :eek:

[tool]

I know, you would think it would be incredibly easy, but apparently the new hardware came at a cost of bad Xbox support. It is sounding like the playstation 3 won't be able to play PSX and PS2 game eithers, or atleast have the same problems the 360 is having.

[W0RF]

Maybe there should be a separate thread for this question, but is anyone aware of any game for any system that actually utilizes multi-core processing? I don't even think most Windows APPS even do this yet.

[tool]

Xbox 360 games will start doing it for sure, but as far as things like PC games go there is nothing. I remember years ago people getting excited over multiple CPU's and how it would revolutionize gaming on the PC. But it never caught on, and now we got 64-bit CPU's to basically do the samething.

[hyrulian]

Heh, I remember what Epic said about multiprocessing (and as a result, multicore) systems and UT2k4. The only separation would be the sound code; you would have the sound and music code running on one CPU, and everything else on another. Not that great. :p

[W0RF]

Yeah, I think "for sure" is a little premature at this point. It's a fair bet that it will happen, but the problem is that programmers just haven't figured out what to do with all these resources yet. So I'm left wondering why they're cramming so much power hardware into a machine and charging you $400 and up for it and they're not even able to program for it at this point.

Look on the bright side, though, by the time they start doing multi-core games, and all the games worth having are actually certified as backwards-compatible, your so-called pre-order may actually come in! :D

[tool]

Ooh yeah, it turns out you dont need windows XP media center (Microsoft will say otherwise though) to stream content to 360. Someone who already got their 360 posted on the internet showing screen shots of streaming media on the 360 with winXP Pro.

[tool]

whoa, EA Sports really gayed up their sports games.


Here's a rough scenario: you pass to your receiver near the sideline. He jumps up to catch it, comes down, and gets pushed out of bounds. You don't get the yards. It looked to you as if he came down on the field with both feet in bounds before he got pushed. So, as you would do in the current-gen Madden game, you hit pause and go to challenge the play. The only thing is, there's no challenge option.


And tiger woods 2006 is missing golfers and courses, and NBA Live 2006 doesnt have a franchise mode. What the hell? Sports titles are looking like they are out of the question, which is incredibly disappointing. Next years sports titles though are going to be awsome.

[Bean316]

They can't play Halo 2 on Xbox live though, atleast not yet. I'm laughing at all those idiots who sold their Xbox thinking that the 360 will play all their xbox games perfectly. Talk about a harsh lesson in how hardware works.

Seriously, you may aswell keep your Xbox and still use it for your xbox games, you won't get anything for it sell it anyways. Used it isnt even worth one Xbox 360 game.

From the Bungie site:
Do I need Xbox Live?

To play Halo 2 on Xbox Live, you will need a current Xbox Live or Xbox Live Gold account. To activate the “hi-res” modes of Halo and Halo 2, for Xbox Live members (either Gold or Silver members), just connect your Xbox 360 console to Xbox Live and insert an original Xbox game. The system will automatically check if you have the latest emulation software, download it to your Xbox 360 console as part of a system update if you don't, reboot, and start loading your original Xbox game.
Those who are not part of the Xbox Live network will be able to download the emulators from Xbox.com, and burn them onto a CD to insert into your Xbox 360 where it will auto-install the emulator. Or you can go to Xbox.com and simply sign up for a CD to be sent to your home for a nominal shipping and handling fee.

What about my existing Xbox Live account?

All current Xbox Live accounts transfer seamlessly to Xbox 360 as Xbox Live Gold accounts. You'll keep your Gamertag and the friends, stats, and reputation that you've built up over the years.

So can an Xbox play Halo 2 against and Xbox 360? Or System Link with the original Halo?

Yes. Both games can interoperate between 360 and Xbox, Xbox and Xbox, or 360 and 360. No special cable is required for the 360 – either Ethernet or crossover (System Link) Ethernet will work, even when connecting a 360 to an Xbox.

So you can play on Live. Dee dee dee!

[W0RF]

What I may do is buy a Rev and talk Damage into buying a 360 or maybe a PS3, and we can split time playing the two different consoles. I made a Nintendo convert out of him a while back (Goldeneye made a convincing argument) and he dumped his Playstation for an N64, then Cube, and now we both have a Cube which is sort of cool, but I ended up buying an old used PS1 for myself to play Tekken and MGS and Final Fantasy, and we both end up grumbling about games that don't get ported (or get ported 6 months later, like MK Deception or Lego Star Wars). If we are our own two most common game-playing partners, it might make more sense for the two of us to get different consoles. Especially since he has XP Media Center and could benefit from the streaming crap.

[Bean316]

I kinda wanted to do a multi-core response, because, hey, I do graphics programming, and some game programming (and I've looked at multi-core architecture).

-As for multi-core stuff, while the PS2 isn't technically multi-core, some basic ideas of seperating threads and processing them seperately were certainly used. So while we may not be terrific, we're getting better. And if you give programmers a couple more, I think we'll make some great headway.

-Kinda now, we do a little multi-core programming, as in usage of the GPU. I've worked on a few game projects (small, homebrew, just to learn), and in those, we abstracted our game logic from our graphics. We'd process all our game data, then reflect any changes in the graphics. So what we were doing was using the CPU to handle the game logic, and the GPU on the graphics. I'd guess this is how it works with anything else (and as far as Renderware goes, same idea).

-The problem, as I see it, is familiarizing oneself with the architecture of the multi-processors. Maybe it is because of experience, but seperating graphics from logic isn't too bad. But say I tried to...process my collision detection on one core, and then my AI on another. I'm not terribly sure how I'd do that with a multi-processor system. And say some of my AI depended on collisions as part of their behaviour, I'd imagine it might be pain in the ass to try to communicate those changes. While ideally, you could process them seperately without needing each other, that wouldn't be the case (say shooting an enemy causes it to hide). Now I have to make the AI aware of collisions going on, and if they are running in seperate threads...well...shiat. Like HH said, the easiest thing I can think of is seperating sound. Maybe you could seperate some AI functions into one processor, and keep the functions that depend on collisions in the same thread. But then you see how confusing things can get!

-Low-level programming. I'm not sure what kind of support that Microsoft has provided for their stuff, but I wouldn't venture out and say that it is a new language entirely, at least for the high level stuff. But you can't do all your game stuff (or I'd hope not...some of the fun is going assembly!) at a high level. I'd imagine the multi-core assembly must be a pain in the dick to orient yourself with. Also on that note, I'd also guess that the MS tools probably don't fully take advantage of the multi-core stuff either.

Good news though. As programmers, we are inherently smarter than you (;)), so the deliciousness is on its way.

EDIT: Also, the chip ATi made for the 360 has a pretty different implementation, especially in the shader "array" (not just a pipeline anymore I guess). Ive done some quick reading on it, and it is pretty neat in idea, but it kinda operates on the DirectX idealogy, breaking off from the OpenGL style.

[W0RF]

I hope so. All this potential power, for the moment, is exactly that: potential.

BTW, when are you going to change your av message to "Guess what? I got butt-raped by w0rf in BUFFF2K5"?

[tool]

I hope so. All this potential power, for the moment, is exactly that: potential.

BTW, when are you going to change your av message to "Guess what? I got butt-raped by w0rf in BUFFF2K5"?

I WISH I GOT BUTT RAPED BY YOU!

[Bean316]

I hope so. All this potential power, for the moment, is exactly that: potential.

BTW, when are you going to change your av message to "Guess what? I got butt-raped by w0rf in BUFFF2K5"?

...I will, only if you put "But I'm still 3 games behind Bean because he owns my balls" ;)

Edit: I did it!

Also, we only have 3 weeks left. You better win all three sir! I only need one more!

[W0RF]

Still a long way until the playoffs, son. You'd best watch your eye, and sleep with one back open!

[Bean316]

Still a long way until the playoffs, son. You'd best watch your eye, and sleep with one back open!

Off topic yeah, but check your PMs yo.

[Syri]

People are already getting their Xbox 360's now and reviews are starting to come in. :clap:

Project Gotham Racing 3 got a 10/10 over at 1up.com and IGN.com

Most of the 360 games so far are getting around a 8. Not bad for launch titles. 6 months from now I think the list of 360 games are going to be amazing.

And in other very good news Final Fantasy XIII might be on the xbox 360 and playstation 3.
I'm going to wait till the reviews come in when it's more established myself. still don't know if i'll even get a next gen console, as all i use mine for now is playing tekken and soul calibur when mates come round

[Twisted Metal]

I dunno how much of this is true, but the guy at EB said that there is going to be major shortages of Xbox 360's because Microsoft decided to send a whole lot of units over to Europe and Japan so they can release them over there on the same day. My friend who preordered October 1st might be looking at a January pickup date. And according to the guy working there only the first 26(!) people who preordered will be getting the console on release day. How the hell is everyone affording a $400 console? lol I figured most kids would be forced to wait for Christmas leaving some consoles available but nooo...

Depending on how good PD0 is, I might consider buying the 360, but otherwise there isn't really any other games that interest me at the moment.

[W0RF]

Actually, there are going to be major shortages because they scaled down production to artificially inflate the demand for the console. Makes all those "we're getting 50 and you're #51" people quite cheerful I'm sure.

And as much as you may enjoy PD, I'd say Kameo will be 10x better.

[tool]

I just watched video's of NBA Live 2006 and I thought I was watching a real life basketball game. Far away it looks like it, only up close do you realize its a video game. :B

[Bean316]

I dunno how much of this is true, but the guy at EB said that there is going to be major shortages of Xbox 360's because Microsoft decided to send a whole lot of units over to Europe and Japan so they can release them over there on the same day. My friend who preordered October 1st might be looking at a January pickup date. And according to the guy working there only the first 26(!) people who preordered will be getting the console on release day. How the hell is everyone affording a $400 console? lol I figured most kids would be forced to wait for Christmas leaving some consoles available but nooo...

Depending on how good PD0 is, I might consider buying the 360, but otherwise there isn't really any other games that interest me at the moment.

Personally, I'm pretty frugal. I'm a minority and a college student :lol:
Actually, you'd be suprised how much money you save when you eat only 30 cent burritos for your lunch...

[tool]

ign.com gave project gotham racing 3 a 8.8/10. You can create your own tracks, that has got me sold right there.

Personally, I'm pretty frugal. I'm a minority and a college student :lol:
Actually, you'd be suprised how much money you save when you eat only 30 cent burritos for your lunch...

The thought of having 30 cent burrito's everyday makes me very happy. Please share your secret of how you get ahold of these tasty delights.

[Bean316]

The thought of having 30 cent burrito's everyday makes me very happy. Please share your secret of how you get ahold of these tasty delights.

Go to your supermarket homeslice! I don't know if you have Fry's up in WA, but any supermarket has them in the frozen food section. I'll literally buy like 5 or 6 dollars worth at a time, and I can have lunch for a couple weeks on that. Get some hot sauce, and you are set. Actually, you can get pretty decent frozen food that isn't bad for you. The store brand Hot Pockets are $1.66 for two, and that makes for a good change of pace. Also, there was sale for Totino's Party Pizzas (about a small-medium pizza...makes for two servings) that were a dollar apiece. I bought 10 and I had 20 servings of pizza for 10 bucks.

[tool]

Aren't the CPU's in the Xbox 360 based on the ones that are used in Apple computers? If you were to mod chip the 360 could you technically install Mac OS X on the 360?

[W0RF]

I think all the consoles use PowerPC technology. Ironic since Mac is moving towards Intel chips.

[novak]

The PS3 uses Cell technology for it's processors. The other two will use PowerPC's.

[ElectricSheep]

The PS3 uses Cell technology for it's processors. The other two will use PowerPC's.

If my memory serves me well enough--its been giving me trouble lately--the Cell includes a PowerPC general execution unit.

[ThirtySixBelow]

hmm mircosoft xbox using mac powerpc....

[W0RF]

According to IGN:
Q: What is the Cell?
A: The Cell processor was co-designed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony. Configurations can differ, but here's what the PS3's Cell chip will be like:

PowerPC-based Core @ 3.2GHz
7 SPEs @ 3.2GHz
512KB L2 Cache
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPEs
Basically, a single Cell processor is designed to act like multiple processors working together, or even independently. A Cell processor has a single PowerPC Architecture Unit (PAU) and multiple Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs). A Cell's PAU dolls out instructions to its various SPEs, which can then independently work on tasks. So for instance, one SPU might be programmed to run a game's AI while another handles physics. Since each one acts independently, multiple calculations can be done simultaneously. In other words, it's very powerful. In fact, it's powerful enough to perform 218 GFLOPS.

[tool]

hmm mircosoft xbox using mac powerpc....

at e3 2005 all the Xbox 360 games ran on PowerPC's.

[W0RF]

I'm not sure if they were running specifically on Macs, -36. PowerPC is IBM architecture, which is found IN Macs, but I'd have to see if they were actually running the demos on G4/5's or whatever.

:edit: confirmed (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000440043836/). The dev 360's demoing at E3 were Mac G5.

[tool]

Mac G5 gotcha. There is a difference between the G-Series computers and PowerPC.

[W0RF]

Mac G5 gotcha. There is a difference between the G-Series computers and PowerPC.
The Power Mac G5 Dual and Power Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors, a modern PCI Express architecture, and wicked-fast workstation graphics. (http://www.apple.com/powermac/)

[tool]

The Power Mac G5 Dual and Power Mac G5 Quad introduce dual-core PowerPC processors, a modern PCI Express architecture, and wicked-fast workstation graphics. (http://www.apple.com/powermac/)

never mind then, I was wrong. Now I get what this all is and what it means. I'm not a apple person so I never bothered to figure out what all this crap means.

But I thought there was a PowerPC? Not just a CPU, but an actual computer from Apple called the PowerPC? And then there was the G-Series computers.

[W0RF]

They released a line of Mac PowerPCs (named PowerMacs) when they went from Motorla 680x0 architecture to IBM's PowerPC architecture. It was a naming convention based on the new processors. The G-line was simply a renaming, like WinME was still a Win9x OS, XP is still an NT OS, or any number or renaming conventions that the graphics card companies undergo every year or so. Technically, even the G3s and G4s are named PowerMac G3 etc.

PowerPC is the name of IBM's processors that power Macs, many of the recent consoles, many servers, basically anything where IBM is still working on hardware. Much like Intel has their x86/Pentium processors and AMD has their Athlon processors.

As I said before, Mac is starting a migration to Intel architecture so even as MS seems to make their consoles more like a G-Mac, Apple is making their machines more like a Windows platform. The world is upside-down.

[tool]

http://www.gamersreports.com/news/101/

Metal Gear Solid 4 on the Xbox 360 maybe? :clap:

[W0RF]

MGS ON TEH REV OMG BBQ :mad: rant:

[Twisted Metal]

People are already getting their Xbox 360's now

How are people getting them? Can't stores get in a TON of trouble for breaking the street dates?

[tool]

They are getting them early either through contests (canadian pepsi winners got theirs on Tuesday) or like you said, stores selling early. And yes those stores are going to get raped by Microsoft if they get caught.

[tool]

http://www.gamersreports.com/news/129/

Pepsi Xbox 360 winners are getting two games now, instead of one.

[BobCobb]

Jeez tool, have you become the Xbox360 BuF correspondent? If not, I think you deserve at least an honorary title.

Tool, Lord of the Xbox360 BuF domain, seer of all wisdom and knowledge for now and forever!

[tool]

Talk to me about the xbox 360 a month ago and I would tell you I didn't give a ****. Now that its offical launch is just days away and games are finally out I am very excited about it. Wait until the playstation 3 comes around, I am going to be doing the samething with that.

[Twisted Metal]

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360_W0QQitemZ8233840430QQcategoryZ112848QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

NO. Just NO. Please tell me that people are not bidding $176+ for a hotmail email address. :o

[tool]

They are bidding on it thinking they are getting the Xbox 360.

On second thought look at the number of people who have bidded on it, they are all new users to ebay, it is probably fake.

[Twisted Metal]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Xbox-360-Premium-WOW-NO-RESERVE-presale_W0QQitemZ8234401224QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And you guys wonder why I want to preorder 10 PS3's and sell them on ebay...

$620 for one xbox 360!!! $220 profit!

I don't care how wrong it is. This will quite possibly be the best business decision I have made in my life. :D

[tool]

I saw someone on the internet say they got three Xbox 360's from ebgames and are going to be selling two of them on ebay.

[Cap'n Beeb]

You saw a post mentioning that an employee of Gamestop did that. ;)

[BobCobb]

Yes, you could make a living buying thing people want and selling them on ebay. If I had only bought 20 burger king masks...

Anyways, did anyone read the link to the article on /. about the xbox 360? Its pretty in depth about what is actually in the machine.

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2610

[Twisted Metal]

From walmart.com:


We're sorry, but we've SOLD OUT of our initial launch quantity of Xbox 360 hardware. However, the Xbox 360 will be AVAILABLE IN WAL-MART STORES AT 12:00 AM on TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 22.


Get your Xbox 360 at your local Wal-Mart store on November 22 or come back soon to preorder online at Walmart.com.

Does this mean that they will have it on launch day?

[tool]

From walmart.com:





Does this mean that they will have it on launch day?

I think what it means is that Walmart.com won't have it, but their stores will. You just can't order online from walmart.com, unless you want to wait a very long time.

[Twisted Metal]

Well that's what I meant... it makes it sound like you don't even have to preorder. I was asking if it's a first come first serve thing or if it is preorders only.

[Bean316]

I already have a plan... There are two Wal-Marts I'm eyeballing. One will have 90 on hand, and the other doesn't know, but they think they'll get good chunk. If that doesn't work out, I'm headed straight to a Target that will open at 8. I'm stealing my roommates survival blanket :D

[Twisted Metal]

Bean, are those 90 consoles you mentioned for people who preordered only, or is it first come first serve? And if it is first come first serve, does this apply to all walmarts/targets/whatever?

[tool]

The pepsi winners for North America will be getting their consoles today, this is going to be an interesting weekend on the internet.

[JaFO]

pffft ... that so called 'limited' supply isn't limited at all. They just make you think it is so you'll run to the shops like an obsessive compulsive little consumer.

The PSP's were supposed to be 'extremely' rare as well at release ... yet in reality they were in every damned shop in the very first week.

[Bean316]

Bean, are those 90 consoles you mentioned for people who preordered only, or is it first come first serve? And if it is first come first serve, does this apply to all walmarts/targets/whatever?

Oh, store wal-marts don't do preorders...so first come, first serve :D

[tool]

Have you guys tried pre-ordering from the Circuit City website? What a freaking mess!

[Twisted Metal]

Why is it that pretty much every 360 game is reviewed except Perfect Dark. I really wanna know if it's good or not so I can decide whether or not to camp out at walmart.

[Balton]

Why is it that pretty much every 360 game is reviewed except Perfect Dark. I really wanna know if it's good or not so I can decide whether or not to camp out at walmart.

that's exactly the only reason why I'm considering to buy a 360.

[Plumb_Drumb]

Poor Perfect Dark.
It has had some of the worst exposure of all launch titles.

Looks like its a great game though, going by the impressions so far.

1-up and Gamespot have some stuff to read.

[hal]

Why is it that pretty much every 360 game is reviewed except Perfect Dark. I really wanna know if it's good or not so I can decide whether or not to camp out at walmart.

Here's a hands-on from 1up as they are playing through it. It's getting udpated by the hour.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794

[Plumb_Drumb]

---
"At one time, we put all player characters on the Dark team against all bots as Datadyne on the hardest difficulty, and we got a royal spanking from the A.I. From my hands-on time so far, the bots don't appear to be too cheap with their tactics or shoot with amazing accuracy."
---

Thank god, no Quake style AI in MP.

I'll see you all online.

[Growler]

looks to me like the X-Box 360 is going to be the new Sega Dreamcast :p

take a look at the similarities! http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3145154

[tool]

That has already been posted, its one of the dumbest articles i've ever read from 1UP. And 1UP posts some pretty crappy articles. They also did a article on why the Xbox 360 would be successful. They just do this to get readers. They are one of those websites who review and gives opinions on video games based on how much money publishers and developers give them.

[Plumb_Drumb]

They just do this to get readers.

no way!!!!:lol:

[tool]

no way!!!!:lol:

look smart ass, the point is 1UP does ****ty articles and shouldn't be taken seriously. They do this crap for everything. And they will be doing a "why the Playstation 3 will fail" in the next few months, and then there will be one for the revolution.

Besides, 3/4th's of the things listed were positives for both the dreamcast and the Xbox 360 and werent the reason why the dreamcast failed.

[Airmoran]

They are one of those websites who review and gives opinions on video games based on how much money publishers and developers give them.
That based on hard evidence or just another intuition call?

Bad articles, yeah, but do try to seperate opinion from fact.

[Plumb_Drumb]

look smart ass, the point is 1UP does ****ty articles and shouldn't be taken seriously. They do this crap for everything. And they will be doing a "why the Playstation 3 will fail" in the next few months, and then there will be one for the revolution.

Besides, 3/4th's of the things listed were positives for both the dreamcast and the Xbox 360 and werent the reason why the dreamcast failed.

lol, good point, dumb ass!!

(we are calling eachother names now, no? lol)

[Cap'n Beeb]

Dudes how I played games???

http://beerbaron.kibblesnbits.net/Misc/pd0.jpg
http://beerbaron.kibblesnbits.net/Misc/pgr3.jpg

:confused: ;)

[tool]

You suck beeb :rant:

[Cap'n Beeb]

Condemned shipped and my 360 premium bundle is paid off. Give me your hate ;)

[tool]

Well when I got my Xbox 360 i'll be taking you down in PD0

[tool]

My order got changed over the weekend and I got bumped up to first shipment. I ended up getting my 360 today. A lot of people who ordered from ebgames got their 360 today or will get it tomorrow in the mail. Good bye world, i'll be back in a month.

[Balton]

give us a user review of pd0

[Bean316]

What, how'd you get it already jerk! Oh well, 4 hours to camping time!

[Balton]

What, how'd you get it already jerk! Oh well, 4 hours to camping time!

have fun campin', camper.

/cloony

[tool]

What, how'd you get it already jerk! Oh well, 4 hours to camping time!

everyone who pre-ordered online from walmart, gamestop, and ebgames should have theirs by now.

[The Dopefish]

People be waiting outside my local Best Buy as of 7PM. 10 years ago, I'd be shocked, aghast possibly.

[tool]

Bill Gates is at the Best Buy in Redmond right now signing Xbox 360's, I might go down there later tonight with mine to try to get him to sign it. :cool:

[MÆST]

found a link to this on a gadget blog for those interested in buying 360s from best buy: http://xbox.clambert.org/

is that BuF's clambert?

[tool]

Its worthless trying to buy a 360 from best buy right now. its way to late, you are going to want to wait until december atleast before trying.

[Bean316]

So I got a Core system. The only place I could get in after class was at a Target, and that had 6 Premium/6 Core...and I was the 7th person! FSCK! But I grabbed one, and I must say, it's pretty rad. I had a good time playing PD0 and Kameo a bit this morning. I think I'll get PGR3 after the semester ends (as a reward if I do well ;) ). I'm pretty happy w/ my setup, except I'd like a hard drive. Anyone know when the HD unit goes on sale by itself?

[tool]

I think it is suppose to be on sale today or atleast next week. I imagine it is going to be very hard to get though.

[The Dopefish]

found a link to this on a gadget blog for those interested in buying 360s from best buy: http://xbox.clambert.org/

is that BuF's clambert?

Same name...

[BuzWeaver]

I’m not much of a console jockey, but congrats to those that are excited about getting there box.

[W0RF]

My GamerTag is w0rf47

[Balton]

I need a reliable PEE DEE ZEERO user review! C'mon guys!

[tool]

My GamerTag is w0rf47

Didnt know you were getting a xbox 360. when I get live setup your ass is going to get handed to you in PD0 :rant:

also...

http://www.smashmyxbox.com/

I need a reliable PEE DEE ZEERO user review! C'mon guys!

The multiplayer is basically all there is worth mentioning. This is the Halo 2 killer, and it has bot support too for those who dont want Xbox live or can't afford it. So that makes it even better. And the bots are very smart too, this is on the same level as Unreal Tournament 2004.

[Bean316]

Since we can do this here as well as anywhere, ASU Rob is the tag.

[W0RF]

Didnt know you were getting a xbox 360. when I get live setup your ass is going to get handed to you in PD0 :rant:
I never said I was getting an xbox 360, I just said I had a GamerTag ;)

... but I can't log in and post it because their server is swamped. :(

:edit: Okay, here we go (http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=W0RF47).

[Bean316]

I really enjoyed the online stuff. There just seemed to be a lot going on, and they did that excellently. Everything was pretty intuitive...now if I can just get a HDD...

[Twisted Metal]

I'd hate to post a link to another auction, but this HAS TO BE SEEN:

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-Premium-Package-Factory-Sealed_W0QQitemZ8236050896QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Quite honestly, if you own an Xbox 360 at the moment I think you'd be stupid not to sell it. Every single Xbox 360 premium console(without games) is selling for well over $1000 on ebay right now. The average profit is $700-$900+ per console. I mean damn, if I start a business out of this for every console release I can just drop out of college and get rich sitting at my computer. ;)

[BobCobb]

Christ, I really should have saved up for one, preordered and sold it. Damnit!

[tool]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140287.html


a hysterical woman demanded the manager come over to her house on December 25 to explain to her young son why he wasn't getting a Christmas present.

[BobCobb]

She needs to talk to bill gates about his plot to create shortages to make the 360 seem better than it really is and create a frenzy of stupid people like her.

[Cap'n Beeb]

She needs to get that stick of self-importance out of her ass and beat herself in the head with it.

[Bean316]

Ok the games are pretty sweet, but I have one really high piece of praise for this console:

Thank the heavens they have this streaming media option. Seriously, I don't think I can play games without this. There is just something awesome having access to my gabillion songs on my PC while I play video games. (Yeah, I could do it on the PC by just running Winamp, but that's low rent...this is done right).

[Cap'n Beeb]

So does that work for all games?

[Bean316]

So does that work for all games?

It is supposed to for every game, and it works for my 3 games. Just bring up the Dashboard, and start your playlist. And the sound effects from the game still play too! It's hot. It's a little confusing in a game like say...Kameo, but it fights perfect in PGR (and PD0 while I'm at it...I played some old Parliament/Funkadelic and it sounded just right).

[tool]

I blew through Project Gotham Racing 3 and Perfect Dark Zero, and while Xbox live is holding me over, I want another game. Dead or Alive 4 is just around the corner though.

[rajput_warrior]

the ea sports game looks horrible, that is not next gen graphics, it's todays game with AA on

[tool]

The graphics are actually amazing looking, I dont know what you are talking about. But that is all they have going for them. The 360 versions were all rushed and are missing a boat load of features, modes, and options.

[Cap'n Beeb]

It is supposed to for every game, and it works for my 3 games. Just bring up the Dashboard, and start your playlist. And the sound effects from the game still play too! It's hot. It's a little confusing in a game like say...Kameo, but it fights perfect in PGR (and PD0 while I'm at it...I played some old Parliament/Funkadelic and it sounded just right).

Sweet. I look forward to mopping up bots in PD0 with the revolver to Pistolero 8)

Wait...can the 360 stream OGGs?

[tool]

Ooh nice if you have a Sony PSP you can share files between it and your Xbox 360.