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Trynant
30th Jun 2005, 03:11 AM
If a horse and a donkey have sex, is this borderline bestiality?

Cat Fuzz
30th Jun 2005, 03:13 AM
wtf?

ilkman
30th Jun 2005, 03:26 AM
I wouldnt think so. They are both still "beasts".

Airmoran
30th Jun 2005, 03:40 AM
What about a furry having sex with a dog? Would that be semi-bestiality?

Trynant
30th Jun 2005, 03:45 AM
I wouldnt think so. They are both still "beasts".

Dammit, I looked it up. By definition ilkman is right :p

So what is the general term for an animal of one species having intercourse with an animal of another species?

(You're not allowed to say it's called a fetish :p)

MediocreTangerine
30th Jun 2005, 04:18 AM
Interspecies breeding?

Azura
30th Jun 2005, 08:50 AM
Crossbreeding.

.altan
30th Jun 2005, 08:55 AM
I think it's called a "mule".

missPoopShoot
30th Jun 2005, 09:46 AM
What about a furry having sex with a dog? Would that be semi-bestiality?

Only if the furry in question left his/her mask on. Otherwise it would just be plain wrong.

AriTheDog
30th Jun 2005, 10:59 AM
what about a white person having sex with a black person?

Trynant
30th Jun 2005, 11:35 AM
what about a white person having sex with a black person?

all humans same species, I'm pretty sure donkeys and horses are different species because mules are pretty much a different animal (btw they can't breed)

Annonymous_mapper
30th Jun 2005, 12:21 PM
No, it's alien.

tool
30th Jun 2005, 12:24 PM
We are going to need phatcat for this one

Bean316
30th Jun 2005, 12:28 PM
all humans same species, I'm pretty sure donkeys and horses are different species because mules are pretty much a different animal (btw they can't breed)

.altan already addressed this, and you kinda caught on. Mules are the offspring from a male donkey and female horse (hinny being the product of switched sex parents). And yes, they are sterile. Usually. I think female mules can have babies if you fertilize them with like...science.

TossMonkey
30th Jun 2005, 02:15 PM
what about a white person having sex with a black person?
Depends where the white person is from, if you go too south in America then it could be a possibility.

seagreenbeetle
30th Jun 2005, 06:45 PM
this happens more than people think, animals that are close cousins crossbreeding when they cant find one of their own, or for whatever reason. i dont know.
i have seen a zonkey before, it was an extreamly rude animal! and it was alot uglier than this one.
http://www.creation.or.kr/dataroom/library/2169_01.jpg

funfun!!heres (http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/crossesa.htm) for some froody wierd animal entertainment.

Jackal
30th Jun 2005, 07:39 PM
Depends where the white person is from, if you go too south in America then it could be a possibility.

Yes im sure the KKK is all for that. :rolleyes:

m&ms
30th Jun 2005, 10:34 PM
http://cass.twistedfairies.net/hybrids.html

My favorite:
"Wolphin = Result of breeding a whale and a dolphin."

Xaero
2nd Jul 2005, 02:15 AM
I would love to have a Liger

http://images.xaero.us/junk/liger.jpg
Sic 'em boy!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/liger.asp

Mr.Magnetichead
2nd Jul 2005, 07:17 AM
all humans same species


Incorrect. There are seperate genomes within humanity as a whole.

Mr.Magnetichead
2nd Jul 2005, 07:18 AM
I would love to have a Liger

http://images.xaero.us/junk/liger.jpg
Sic 'em boy!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/liger.asp


No you wouldn't. Their faulty genes lack a stop command for growth. They just grow and grow untill they die.

Hadmar
2nd Jul 2005, 08:12 AM
A T-Rex sized Liger...
Please excuse me, I have to make slight adjustments to my world conquering plans.

Peavey
2nd Jul 2005, 11:50 AM
Mr. Magnetichead, you just keep ruining everyone's hopes and dreams :( Go **** on someone else's parade! Because I love cute crossbreed aminals.

Airmoran
2nd Jul 2005, 04:26 PM
Incorrect. There are seperate genomes within humanity as a whole.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that simply mean that seperate humans have seperate genes? Does that alone denote seperate species?

Anyways, no matter what you do, DO NOT mention "seperate species" in human evolution classes, social studies classes, pride rallies, life, etc.

ilkman
2nd Jul 2005, 06:02 PM
How about a horse and ..... a fish?

Would that be "beastiality"?

Traxis
2nd Jul 2005, 06:10 PM
http://www.planearium2.de/pics/pics-105-5.jpg

Iron Archer
2nd Jul 2005, 06:24 PM
I think Rosie O'Donnell mating with Ron Jeremy could be considered beastiality. Then again there's Melissa Etheridge (http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/14/melissaetheridge_gallery__406x550.jpg) (at right) http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/02/14/melissaetheridge_gallery__406x550.jpg and her freakshow insemination from David Crosby (http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/03/06/crosby-inside.jpg) http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/03/06/crosby-inside.jpg

Mr.Magnetichead
2nd Jul 2005, 06:35 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that simply mean that seperate humans have seperate genes? Does that alone denote seperate species?

Anyways, no matter what you do, DO NOT mention "seperate species" in human evolution classes, social studies classes, pride rallies, life, etc.

Why shouldn't I? It's the truth.

If it wasn't it means everyone within any given race is inbred.

Airmoran
2nd Jul 2005, 08:11 PM
Uhh... alright. My curiosity is... what definition of "species" are you going by? Seperate genomes somehow negates "same species"? What?

A common definition that many anthropologists go off of if the.. umm... breeding test. If species A and species B can breed succesfully (and something like less than 5% of their kids can't reproduce), then A and B are of the same species.

Either way, different gemones? ****, my dad's a different species.

BITE_ME
2nd Jul 2005, 09:24 PM
If you nail it, and it does not get pregnant. Then its bestiality.......or gay.

Hadmar
3rd Jul 2005, 02:42 AM
Sir, the door bell rang. An angry mob consisting of infertile humans and Real Dolls is waving torches and pitchforks and wants to have a word with you. Shall I prepare tee and cookies or the escape shuttle? :p

BITE_ME
3rd Jul 2005, 02:52 AM
Pizza and ky. I think im f***ed.:(

Freon
3rd Jul 2005, 04:20 AM
Pizza and ky. I think im f***ed.:(
don't worry, you won't get pregnant.


Anyway, I think we have a folllower of the KKK or something in this thread :p

Mr.Magnetichead
3rd Jul 2005, 05:05 AM
Uhh... alright. My curiosity is... what definition of "species" are you going by? Seperate genomes somehow negates "same species"? What?

A common definition that many anthropologists go off of if the.. umm... breeding test. If species A and species B can breed succesfully (and something like less than 5% of their kids can't reproduce), then A and B are of the same species.

Either way, different gemones? ****, my dad's a different species.


No. There are many different breeds of horses and yet they are still classified as 'horses'. It's the same with every other species on the planet. We are no different.

BITE_ME
3rd Jul 2005, 05:36 AM
don't worry, you won't get pregnant.


Anyway, I think we have a folllower of the KKK or something in this thread :p

OT. When I used to sell Alternaters to people with very large car audio systems. I would sell ones that were certified KKK...Its true. It is some kind of certification for products used in Ambulances. I sold these in Oakland.


"KKK Certified & In Good Condition"
http://www.usedambulance.com/ok_ambulance3.htm

I wish they would change it to some thing else.

iolair
3rd Jul 2005, 05:57 PM
Mr. Magnetichead...

1) You seem to assume "breed", "race" and "species" all mean the same thing. They don't. Read a dictionary.

2) Is the "White Cross Organisation" mentioned in your avatar some kind of White Pride / Ultranationalist group?

Mr.Magnetichead
4th Jul 2005, 07:14 PM
No. It's an organization of individuals who take part in Guerilla actions within an urban environment in order to counter Locust infestations in areas of vital commerce and manufacturing.


Also you can **** off trying to play the racism card.

Trynant
4th Jul 2005, 09:22 PM
Incorrect. There are seperate genomes within humanity as a whole.

One word: subspecies

All dogs are still dogs. Maybe you can also try proving to me that different humans are of a different species by comparing skull shapes and formations to prove that white culture is superior? Social Darwinism forever!

phatcat
4th Jul 2005, 09:51 PM
We are going to need phatcat for this one
http://phatcat.animedominion.com/emoticon/Shaking_Fist_emoticon.hprince329.gif
bite me, ass bleeder.

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 04:14 AM
One word: subspecies

All dogs are still dogs. Maybe you can also try proving to me that different humans are of a different species by comparing skull shapes and formations to prove that white culture is superior? Social Darwinism forever!


Congrats for comparing me to Nazi scientists.

When did I ever say white culture was superior? Did I even imply it? No.

You're so ****ing mentally stunted due to being spoon fed PCness from the days of the cradle that you actually believe that 'We are all equal' bull****.


EDIT: I also find it quite amusing that you accuse me of being racist even when I've been dateing an English African for the last 8 months.

Boy do I hate the darkies Grrr.

Airmoran
5th Jul 2005, 04:52 AM
Damn dude, people might be more willing to avoid the "racist" tag if you put more logic into your posts or at least address arguments instead of letting them linger. Most just assume you're ignoring them 'cause you've got nothing to say.

I still don't get your "genome" logic. Genomes are genes. Different genes negating "same species"? Still don't get where you're coming from. All you managed to say is "no" and something about breeds. Maybe I read too deep into it, but my dad's a different breed instead of species? Oh, thank god.

But yikes. By the third post I though you were just trolling. Maybe not. It's evangelical Asian American Studies Lecture time!

A) Contact with minorities does not somehow defend you. Hell, defending yourself by saying you have contact with minorities hurts more than it helps. Among a huge pile of reasons, Africans are just as entitled to that dating argument. Society's (hopefully) advanced far enough to the point where racism/divisionism (yay! I made up a new definition!) goes farther than who we're willing to we talk to. You're saying that you're not racist enough to not date "Africans". Have a cookie.

B) Most amount of racism occurs when you're not realizing it. Your posts are a brooding ground of it. Aside from point A, you decided it's perfectly reasonable to divide up humans into... whatever you're trying to say. Different "breeds", I'm thinking. "Breeds", like "species", is purely subjective. My posts were saying "dude, you've got a messed up definition of species. Please explain." You've conveniently defined breeds (species?) off-paper to somehow differentiate humans.

C) There's a difference between "controversial stuff based on fact" and "sounds controversially cool." As it turns out, genetics are surprisingly minimal when it comes to different traits among "breeds" of human. What's there is mostly **** like "skin pigment functions do this 'cause it's hot" not "his arms are more adept at fishing from generations and generations of fishing." This ain't a dog show. It has nothing to do with political correctness.

So umm... yeah. Good luck.

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 05:00 AM
That's a really long winded way or saying nothing at all. Congrats.

Airmoran
5th Jul 2005, 05:02 AM
Oh, sorry. Letme sum it up.

Most just assume you're ignoring [others points] 'cause you've got nothing to say.

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 09:27 AM
No I would get into a full discussion on the genetic traits of different peoples of the world but BT refuse to sort their **** out and I'm getting disconeected every few minutes with a 20-30 minute wait for a connection between each redial.

Trynant
5th Jul 2005, 11:05 AM
Stating that humans in general are different species comes pretty damn close to racism in my book, even if it does not involve superiority.

BTW does dating an English African by your terms define bestiality?

Bean316
5th Jul 2005, 11:24 AM
Moo

My species is better than your species :biggrin2:

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 01:46 PM
Stating that humans in general are different species comes pretty damn close to racism in my book, even if it does not involve superiority.



Would calling crabs and lobsters different species also be racist in your eyes?



BTW does dating an English African by your terms define bestiality?

No.

Bean316
5th Jul 2005, 02:05 PM
Would calling crabs and lobsters different species also be racist in your eyes?

But all humans are the same species...homo sapiens. Lobsters and crabs aren't in the same species. (I don't know what level they are related, but they are not the same species). Races are not different enough to mark a seperation in species. I mean...that's just common sense. Otherwise, we'd have our own species names, right? It's not that science is PC...they just don't have the evidence to create a distinction. If you want to say subspecies, that is passable I suppose, even though there are plenty of arguments there, but claiming that there are entirely different species is crazy.

I don't think you're trying to be racist or closeminded, or anything, but when you say things like that, and respond rudely and defensively, I don't know what you expect from people. Especially when you compares races of people to crabs and lobsters...I mean...wtf?

O.S.T
5th Jul 2005, 02:08 PM
are we at the point, where everyone remembers that mr.magnetichead is just a giant dick, again? :)
in case I'm too early: I'm sorry

SanitysEdge
5th Jul 2005, 02:38 PM
One word: subspecies

All dogs are still dogs. Maybe you can also try proving to me that different humans are of a different species by comparing skull shapes and formations to prove that white culture is superior? Social Darwinism forever!
You appear to think that social darwinism is something to do with evolution.
This is not the case, the correct definition of social darwinism is that "everyone does everything they do for there own gain."

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 03:29 PM
But all humans are the same species...homo sapiens. Lobsters and crabs aren't in the same species. (I don't know what level they are related, but they are not the same species). Races are not different enough to mark a seperation in species. I mean...that's just common sense. Otherwise, we'd have our own species names, right? It's not that science is PC...they just don't have the evidence to create a distinction. If you want to say subspecies, that is passable I suppose, even though there are plenty of arguments there, but claiming that there are entirely different species is crazy.

I don't think you're trying to be racist or closeminded, or anything, but when you say things like that, and respond rudely and defensively, I don't know what you expect from people. Especially when you compares races of people to crabs and lobsters...I mean...wtf?


Crabs and lobsters are both in the crustacean family.

There are genetic differences between say Anglo Saxans and Africans both in skin tone, bone and muscle structure.

Airmoran
5th Jul 2005, 03:41 PM
Man, I'm just gonna quote myself from now on. Read up, child. You've got a long ways to go.

As it turns out, genetics are surprisingly minimal when it comes to different traits among "breeds" of human. What's there is mostly **** like "skin pigment functions do this 'cause it's hot" not "his arms are more adept at fishing from generations and generations of fishing." This ain't a dog show.

"Breeds", like "species", is purely subjective.
The definitions of breeds/races/whatever can change between species. The line is drawn by people who define them. The line that divides crabs and lobster now applies to races? Oh good, everyone's the same race then.

The genetic difference between a crab and a lobster is much larger than between various races. For starters, crabs and lobsters can't succesfully inter-reproduce.

are we at the point, where everyone remembers that mr.magnetichead is just a giant dick, again?
This is fun. :(

Bean316
5th Jul 2005, 03:49 PM
Crabs and lobsters are both in the crustacean family.

There are genetic differences between say Anglo Saxans and Africans both in skin tone, bone and muscle structure.

Didn't I say that they weren't the same species? It's like we're talking about red cars, and I show you two cars that aren't red and you say "Yeah, but they both are Fords". Thanks for the heads up, but that isn't the point.

And I didn't say there weren't differences. There are differences between me and my parents, but I don't think we are a different species.

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 04:05 PM
The definitions of breeds/races/whatever can change between species. The line is drawn by people who define them. The line that divides crabs and lobster now applies to races? Oh good, everyone's the same race then.

The genetic difference between a crab and a lobster is much larger than between various races. For starters, crabs and lobsters can't succesfully inter-reproduce.


Fine. Use the horse analogy then.

Mr.Magnetichead
5th Jul 2005, 04:08 PM
And I didn't say there weren't differences. There are differences between me and my parents, but I don't think we are a different species.

I never said you and your parents are seperate species. You're the result of a mixture of two DNA strains.

You hower are different denetically than an African or an Anglo Saxan (I'm assuming you're Asian)

But then again there are also seperate sub species within what we classify as 'Asians'.

Xaero
7th Jul 2005, 02:25 AM
OK, I'm still confused...

Is sex between a red lobster and greenish crab considered beastiality?

What about a black horse and a blue Ford?

A white Michal Jackson and anything?

Trynant
7th Jul 2005, 06:47 AM
I would like to point out that Mr. MH still has avoided the fact that humans (A.K.A. the people on this forum and people you know), are defined as homo sapiens, which is a species by definition. Yes, crabs and lobsters are in the same family, but they are not the same species.

For example, crabs and lobsters are analogous to humans and orangutans. Different species but same family. By Mr. Magnetichead's logic, calling different races different species is like calling someone next to you of different ethnicity an orangutan. If someone thinks that an orangutan should be treated just as a human should and do not think the orangutan species superior or inferior, then I wouldn't call that person racist. Even so, I'd be pretty angry if someone said I was a chimpanzee (also in same family as humans and orangutans).

I'm pretty sure Airmoran is right, the person next to you being genetically different means they have different genes. By Mr. Magnetichead's logic, saying anyone who is not a clone is a different species (children have different genes than their parents).

Please do not distort scientific facts to serve your own needs. That is Social Darwinism. And it makes you look like a half-educated dunce to anyone else who knows the structure of scientific classification.

Fine. Use the horse analogy then.
Look at the title of this thread.

Mr.Magnetichead
7th Jul 2005, 11:16 AM
Well then if it doesn't involve humans then nothing is bestiality.

O.S.T
7th Jul 2005, 11:25 AM
My species is better than your species :biggrin2:
you invented rock and jazz, but rap kicked you from your throne

Xaero
7th Jul 2005, 11:59 AM
Well then if it doesn't involve humans then nothing is bestiality.

So thats a no for all 3 then.

Bean316
7th Jul 2005, 12:27 PM
you invented rock and jazz, but rap kicked you from your throne

I...I did? Wait...my throne? Can...can I have it back?:confused:

O.S.T
7th Jul 2005, 12:45 PM
I...I did? Wait...my throne? Can...can I have it back?:confused:
only if you come up with something better than rock and jazz :mad:

Xaero
7th Jul 2005, 01:27 PM
only if you come up with something better than rock and jazz :mad:

its called Metal. :D

BITE_ME
8th Jul 2005, 08:40 AM
OK, I'm still confused...

Is sex between a red lobster and greenish crab considered beastiality?

What about a black horse and a blue Ford?

A white Michal Jackson and anything?
:lol:

Some of you other posters need to have a beer, and a sheep.:D

SomewhatSuicidal
8th Jul 2005, 11:36 AM
If two animals can breed and produce fertile offspring, they are the same species. Therefore, humans are all the same species. *edit - one page too late*

Latent Image
9th Jul 2005, 09:39 AM
If two animals can breed and produce fertile offspring, they are the same species. Therefore, humans are all the same species. *edit - one page too late*


But still entirely relevant......

Mr.Magnetichead
11th Jul 2005, 06:21 PM
its called Metal. :D


Aggh Metal. Listened to by angsty pimple faced fat kids and German people.

Mr.Magnetichead
11th Jul 2005, 06:22 PM
If two animals can breed and produce fertile offspring, they are the same species. Therefore, humans are all the same species. *edit - one page too late*

What about mules?

Bean316
11th Jul 2005, 06:22 PM
Aggh Metal. Listened to by angsty pimple faced fat kids and German people.

So you listen to metal?

Mr.Magnetichead
11th Jul 2005, 06:23 PM
So you listen to metal?

Actually I'm a Blues and Jazz man.