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Swanky
26th Jun 2005, 02:39 PM
If this is the wrong board, move it to the right one.
http://forums.unrealplayground.com/showthread.php?p=401331#post401331
It goes to everyone, every single gamer and mapper.

Bot_40
26th Jun 2005, 06:01 PM
hmmm, doesn't go for me, I totally don't care. There are loads of different people in the community, there will always be people that want to play andaction style maps, sit and hold down fire while moving round randomly and getting kills and so on. For me that is nothing to do with what ut is about and I'm not interested in what these people have to say about my maps. If they give my map a 0 because it didn't have 1000 redeemers or whatever sick requirement they have then I just ignore it. Joke's on them for wasting their time downloading a map which they blatently weren't going to enjoy in the first place :p

Balton
28th Jun 2005, 12:35 PM
If this is the wrong board, move it to the right one.
http://forums.unrealplayground.com/showthread.php?p=401331#post401331
It goes to everyone, every single gamer and mapper.


aah, die UP leute bei ihrem lieblingshobby. "Warum hasse ich NC so sehr!"
Sobald diese kinder erwachsen werden und lernen, dass worte einem nicht verletzen können werden sie es verstehen. Bis dahin kann man seinen spaß mit diesen menschen haben und sie verbal zu so vielen dummen sachen verleiten, dass man am abend mit einem guten gefühl im bauch schlafen geht ;)

Swanky
28th Jun 2005, 03:11 PM
Balton, du hast NIX kapiert. Komischerweise glaubten auch die von UP daran, dass sie besser seien und zu einer anderen Community gehören würden - stimmt nunmal aber nicht. :P

To everyone else: You always think UP and NC are two different communities because they visit different inet sites. You are WRONG. You play the same game, play the same maps, share the same opinions about most of the same things. Different community? Ridiculous.

Chrysaor
28th Jun 2005, 03:22 PM
I like both sites, but they are a bit different. NC is usually too good for UP, or atleast has that attitude. You can't market yourself as the best mapping site unless your members think they are the best. ;) But what does that have to do with rating two different ways? Well NC has always leaned far from the funnel/sniper maps, as you called them or the andAction maps as we might know them here, and towards the "real" efforts, whereas UP is more accepting of the funnel/sniper maps.

Kantham
28th Jun 2005, 04:19 PM
but the people and style are alot different. Somme people move from here to there. while other hate nalicity. And other hate UP. I like both and submit on both.

XepptizZ
28th Jun 2005, 04:49 PM
Most peeps upload them whereever possible to get there map out to the world.

The biggest difference between these two site are the rating system. UP doesn't do userratings, NC does. And that's what deviding people in the long run.

Balton
28th Jun 2005, 05:11 PM
Balton, du hast NIX kapiert. Komischerweise glaubten auch die von UP daran, dass sie besser seien und zu einer anderen Community gehören würden - stimmt nunmal aber nicht. :P



let me explain again, do you see people on nc bad mouthing up?
and then some UPers are talking about offensive user comments and bad community. If they weren't so keen on having a scapegoat in the mapping community ( ;) ) they'd actually give the system a try and might learn to ignore the bad apples that like to joke. They shouldn't be offended by messages dumb people write on the internet, it's not serious business.
this side of the community is pretty open as I see it.
now don't do that damn weastcoast-eastcoast crap homie :-)

btw. this isn't actually an important issue, is it?

Manticore
28th Jun 2005, 07:43 PM
I don't like flamewars and if someone's behaviour gets to be too much there is always the ignore lists; at least on these boards.....

............and have a nice day.

RichyB
28th Jun 2005, 09:38 PM
Most peeps upload them whereever possible to get there map out to the world.

The biggest difference between these two site are the rating system. UP doesn't do userratings, NC does. And that's what deviding people in the long run. This is what i do i upload my map to as manny places and the more places the more people will see my map.:)

This site has not reveiwed one of my maps while unrealplayground reveiwes my maps Frequently . So i quess that site is helping me more.

ReD_Fist
28th Jun 2005, 10:31 PM
Well
I requested that silly map headake,and the dude here insists on reviewing everything he sees on his listorama.
I will never agree with such rediculas logic there,hell go chop off your hands,cause it said so lol.................

Oh sure enough it ended up on mapraider,and several other places,cause they all point to nalicity,however after all the lame freaks bashing the poor foamy gal mapper guy,gal this weekend,but then soak up a review spot up there with that map,it's like DUH fricking DUH
So nalicity is wich,kiddy comments cause thier all so cool and killer mappers to slam that guys maps,OR post a review of the lamest map ever wich is soaking up a good spot,(plus my map is gonna get pushed off next grrrr) to show off all the quality everybody was slamming the foamy about .

Man they got to take that F-ing map off of there,aaaaaaaaaghghgh,it's givin me a "headake"

MassChAoS
29th Jun 2005, 08:16 AM
It would be smarter not to request stupid reviews, eh Redfist?

Balton
29th Jun 2005, 08:18 AM
It would be smarter not to request stupid reviews, eh Redfist?

you understood what he said? :eek:

ArcadiaVincennes
29th Jun 2005, 11:25 AM
Well
I requested that silly map headake,and the dude here insists on reviewing everything he sees on his listorama.
I will never agree with such rediculas logic there,hell go chop off your hands,cause it said so lol.................

It's okay to mention me by name...
You don't have to agree with it. Just don't abuse it. Like you did with Headake.

OR post a review of the lamest map ever wich is soaking up a good spot,(plus my map is gonna get pushed off next grrrr)

That's your own fault. You requested the review.

Look - no one else has complained about me paying attention to my list. Your complaint/criticism has been heard and responded to. If the community in general wanted me to do otherwise, they should say something about it.
If reviewers aren't supposed to pay attention to their lists, then they shouldn't exist in the first place.

You yourself said that part of a reviewer's job is to go find old maps that are good that got passed by. That's great, but we have personal requests, and hundreds of general map review requests. Why don't you use the fact that I pay attention to my list, go find some old maps that are good, and request that I review them.

That would be much more productive than requesting a map like Headake just to see if I'll actually ignore something. If you continue to request maps like Headake from me, I'll decline all review requests I get from you.

Look - I know you have a problem with how I choose to review maps. But we've addressed this before I thought we came to an understanding that we'll agree to disagree. And if the community wants me to do it differently, then I will. As long as it's just you, I'm not going to change. And trying to force me to by requesting maps such as Headake isn't going to do it.
Red_Fist, can we put down this issue once and for all?

ReD_Fist
29th Jun 2005, 11:55 AM
Well don't worry,I won't pick any requests ever again,your doing fine with reviews.
The other websites ,accept insite,have that list updated from nalicity,i don't see why others don't say anything,it is a highly coveted list .
Now insite goes to far the other way,mapraider collects maps from anyone who sends them,but no reviews,or rarely comments.

Look at richyB comment I bet he would rather have headakes spot.

and this guy
and on another map some ctf map in the comments list this guy
:[lol]:Squid75
06-19-2005 11:33 PM EDT Rating: 0
Welp, I just wanted to see, and as I see it, this map sat in review que no longer than 18 or so days since today is the 19th. I have a map for over 1 year or so....you know what never mind, i give up on nalicity....Yous guys suck

I bet he would like headakes spot too.

anyway,it's good there are reviewers,regardless

good day...........

ArcadiaVincennes
29th Jun 2005, 01:59 PM
Well don't worry,I won't pick any requests ever again,your doing fine with reviews.

Please don't stop requesting reviews in general

The other websites ,accept insite,have that list updated from nalicity,i don't see why others don't say anything,it is a highly coveted list .

Ours is.... a bit longer than theirs. In theory I agree with you and I think it's a good thing to do. In execution for NaliCity, I don't think it's a good idea simply for the size of it. Plus, hasn't there already been a thread about that somewhere here?

ReD_Fist
29th Jun 2005, 02:41 PM
I don't quite follow you there,I mean to say the other sites automaticaly tie in to nalicity,and the same list appears on thier websites.And they also tie in automaticaly and grab the actual map when they end up in the review column.

And what I mean about others not saying anything (accept me of course),is about how nalicity picks the levels for review.

ArcadiaVincennes
29th Jun 2005, 05:18 PM
I don't quite follow you there,I mean to say the other sites automaticaly tie in to nalicity,and the same list appears on thier websites.And they also tie in automaticaly and grab the actual map when they end up in the review column.

Sorry - I was unclear here. I was not referring to other sites grabbing maps/links/etc... from NaliCity. I was referring to a public review queue.

And what I mean about others not saying anything (accept me of course),is about how nalicity picks the levels for review.

Right - well, we talked about that already. Users and authors pick which maps they want reviewed, and the reviewers satisfy the requests. There's the general review queue, and a reviewer-specific queue. I review from my queue until it's empty, then I pick from the general queue. Other reviewers do it differently.

Twrecks
1st Jul 2005, 09:30 PM
NCreviewers are free to review ANY MAP they choose (that hasn't been reviewed or on another reviewer's list, duh).
<pirate accent>
Arr... The Que is really just more of a guideline.
</pirate accent>

ReD_Fist
7th Jul 2005, 01:47 AM
Just looking at unrealplaygrounds front page,and there is beyondunreal ,and others,but no nalicity.
then i looked at beyondunreal front page,and no matter who says what,but I guess this place is the funky map review site now (at the moment),heh.

5 on BU now, sniper redeemer heavan? ,then insite has only2 maps.

Ashame all these nice maps and work around here thats fresh isn't getting posted. Especialy I know at least 4 websites who take that same exact list off of here

what about these
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8559
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8566
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8521
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8419
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8558
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=4124
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8277
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8507
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8508
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8511
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=7679
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8378
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=7819
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8417
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8390
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8343
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=4574
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8168
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8203
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8041

And the list changes I know,just kinda a funky review period right now.

ArcadiaVincennes
7th Jul 2005, 09:16 AM
Orphanage is in my queue. I'll get to it.
UCMP-ThePits is going to be reviewed along with the whole pack my Mr. Prophet.
The others are mostly, if not all, in the review queue already. Considering the queue is so very large, there are so few reviewers, that we owe it to authors to review sub-par maps as well as the excellent ones, and that maps like Headake and Redeemer-SniperHeaven keep ending up in my personal review queue - well, I'm sure they'll all be reviewed eventually. You'll just have to be patient.

ReD_Fist
7th Jul 2005, 10:05 AM
I believe it,there are tons of maps.

I should whip out some crappy maps,I just can't believe the sniper reedeemer crap,man I played that so long ago,was terrible,people are posting 7's and sh_t.

Then they post 9' and 10's on that sluggish fps ,ctf (nice looking) map,never be played,i dunno.

Balton
7th Jul 2005, 10:27 AM
I believe it,there are tons of maps.

I should whip out some crappy maps,I just can't believe the sniper reedeemer crap,man I played that so long ago,was terrible,people are posting 7's and sh_t.

Then they post 9' and 10's on that sluggish fps ,ctf (nice looking) map,never be played,i dunno.

now you know how we veterans became so bitter and flamy. There's just so many idiots you can bear before you start crapping on all of them.

ArcadiaVincennes
7th Jul 2005, 11:22 AM
I believe it,there are tons of maps.

I should whip out some crappy maps,I just can't believe the sniper reedeemer crap,man I played that so long ago,was terrible,people are posting 7's and sh_t.

Then they post 9' and 10's on that sluggish fps ,ctf (nice looking) map,never be played,i dunno.


Just remember - I didn't ask for the review. I was somewhat loathe to do it, actually. But because of all the sniper/funnel map discussion the other week, I thought I should at least give it a fair break.

As for the people posting 9s and 10s, yeah - I don't like that either. I realize the users score based on their personal feelings and not according to the Nali review guidlines, but still - the complete lack of beauty in the map automatically takes it down below 9 and 10 even if they consider the gameplay perfect for that kind of map. Gameplay > Eyecandy - yes absolutely. But gameplay > Ugly - sometimes not. And this is a good 'not' example.
But to each their own. I just hope no one's tricked into thinking the map is actually a 10 quality. And I hope the sniper lovers find the map so at least they can enjoy it.

ReD_Fist
7th Jul 2005, 12:07 PM
Well it seems so extreme ,like the ugliest map around,but good sniper action,what makes it so hard to have minimal looks with those map.
I could careless about eyecandy,but sheez ,and the other side too,a killer looking map,but everythong else is fouled up.

hal
7th Jul 2005, 10:14 PM
Just looking at unrealplaygrounds front page,and there is beyondunreal ,and others,but no nalicity.
then i looked at beyondunreal front page,and no matter who says what,but I guess this place is the funky map review site now (at the moment),heh.

5 on BU now, sniper redeemer heavan? ,then insite has only2 maps.

Ashame all these nice maps and work around here thats fresh isn't getting posted. Especialy I know at least 4 websites who take that same exact list off of here

I really want to understand what you are saying. :eek:

ReD_Fist
7th Jul 2005, 10:19 PM
Just seemed wierd,they don't have "nalicity" on thier "links-reviews" thingy on the left side runner of thier frontpage.

The other thing is the lower end map reviews,comming from here kinda all at the same time.

hal
7th Jul 2005, 10:48 PM
Just seemed wierd,they don't have "nalicity" on thier "links-reviews" thingy on the left side runner of thier frontpage.

The other thing is the lower end map reviews,comming from here kinda all at the same time.

Oh, that's because Pete put it in the "Maps" section of the sidebar for some odd-reason. I'll move it down to Reviews. Makes more sense.

Kantham
7th Jul 2005, 11:22 PM
Unreal playground are covering the mapper comunity, Beyondunreal is alot bigger and have it's Mega divided part of subforums for each mod and other sites that are hosted by BU. BU is always updated Every day (thanks hal, you teh man) for everything conserning the unrealengine such as mods. While unreal playground is generaly made for maps, the forums are also included of a off-topic part, but you get the idea.

There is no war between Insite and nalicity (gladly :P) , probably if hal would put a link to nalicity on the front page, in big with ownage map mentioned next to it would really affect insite at this moment. I can see that all the hosted sites are listed on the left, i never really went on these, my eyes are more conserned on the right pannel for websites updates. But if you noticed, everytime a kick ass map get ready for download, hal anounce it and it's always on nalicity that you go download it. Insite is in the same caliber as Map raider and Levels4you imo.

ArcadiaVincennes
8th Jul 2005, 06:32 AM
I tend to disagree with you, Kantham, on Insite's placement. This is just a personal opinion but I've regarded UP as a map host primarily, review place secondary. NaliCity IMO has equal emphasis on map hosting and reviewing, and Insite is pure reviewing (and I have a lot of respect for the reviewers there.) I consider Mapraider more along the lines of UP (primarily maps, secondarily reviews) and I have respect for a few of the reviewers over there but not all of them. I'm unfamiliar with LevelsforU.

Just my opinion...

Kantham
8th Jul 2005, 09:57 AM
Ahh, i see your point but i was not speaking about reviewers on insite, but the popularity of it. I have alot of respect for reviewers too because they spend hours on writing reviews for a single map word for word. Don't take me whrong. I just think that alot of people don't care if insite is a reviewer site, they just want maps and that's all. I tend to read some reviews sometimes, espicaly when it's on my own work :)

ArcadiaVincennes
8th Jul 2005, 11:52 AM
Ah popularity. I understand now. Hmmm... A lot of people I'd say care primarily about maps. So I'd put Nali and UP over Insite for popularity in terms of maps. Simply because they host all maps and Insite only hosts whatever they've reviewed. I'm not sure where Mapraider or levelsforyou would fall in there.
Thanks for the clarification!

ReD_Fist
8th Jul 2005, 12:01 PM
Insite is snub nose,they only review maps that 5 score or more.
Mapraider is more of a warehouse,but they get cool maps that no one ever sees here.
Ever see that K galion2 map? i never played it,but also some mappers who will not post here.
Actually quite a few mappers,that never appear here.

ArcadiaVincennes
8th Jul 2005, 02:26 PM
Insite [...] they only review maps that 5 score or more.

3 or higher.

Balton
11th Jul 2005, 09:44 PM
3 or higher.

aka kind journalism ;) :D

Swanky
13th Jul 2005, 03:30 PM
Question is: kind to whom? To the authors or the comm? :D

Anyway, seems like it has started again, because of 1 single comment on one of the NYA maps... Is it just me or is fluffymike really such a loser that he doesn't recognize that flame he accuses others of comes from himself as well? lol...

I thought about the commenting rules (on NC, not the forums)... nobody seems to care about them, and nobody does something against it (or at least it isn't seen, what would be good). What about special moderators there?

Mister_Prophet
13th Jul 2005, 04:08 PM
I check the comments often but don't have any Admin powers. I just notified the admins of several lame posts by a certain poster they were removed (not all of them).

Hourences
13th Jul 2005, 05:07 PM
Report what you see then, I cant check everything.

I removed about 20 flame and 0 comments in the past 2 weeks or so, so its not like we do nothing but Im not going to read every comment no, report the crap

ReD_Fist
13th Jul 2005, 11:50 PM
Swanky Swanky Swanky,Heh.

Think if you didnt curtique and F-ING FUNNEL-SNIPER map,oh evil mike would of not known you.

Swanky
14th Jul 2005, 04:17 AM
@ Hourences: That's good, I didn't really know about it, but I suggested you 'd do it. :)

@ redfist: eeeh what? ... ah I see. You mean if I hadn't comment on the sniper maps he wouldn't know me. Yeh... that's a problem, cause he would prolly. ;) Question is if he rated my maps like this what he would most prolly do as well, as he did several times in the past (on other maps). ;)

MäxX
14th Jul 2005, 04:46 AM
If this is the wrong board, move it to the right one.
http://forums.unrealplayground.com/showthread.php?p=401331#post401331
It goes to everyone, every single gamer and mapper.

As many players as many oppinions...

Maybe someone makes a big map with 2 "baseentries" 1 for the sniping fans, one for "normal"

Anyway, there will never be a map everyone likes, players must be flexible, that`s all

ReD_Fist
14th Jul 2005, 09:13 AM
The big deal is,on those sniper maps,is so,they can be big,so,they can be plane looking,but people should at least make a map that looks25% good at a min.
Not that it's any one gaming map,lets say you make a awsome ultra detailed level packed with stuff and mega geometry,but it could be a crappy level sniper or regular.
But a lot of those sniper maps are so plane and even textures are all yucky,lighting,and geometry,hell anyone could make those maps.
Wich for me I don't need any eyecandy in a map,but some of those high scored funky maps are really bad levels.

And that CTF-serisismos or what ever it's called,for ut2004,is another 1.5,sure it has stuff,cool water stuff etc etc,but the framerate is fried,but people are posting 9's and 10's .Thats just as bad as the other plane maps ratings.
That sniper redeemer map is only a 1.5 tops,no 2 ways about it.

So the people who rate on looks,are stupider than the ones rating on gameplay with no good looking stuff.Because it's a game,not a mapping contest,an unplayable map is just that,unplayable.

ArcadiaVincennes
14th Jul 2005, 11:23 AM
And that CTF-serisismos or what ever it's called,for ut2004,is another 1.5,sure it has stuff,cool water stuff etc etc,but the framerate is fried,but people are posting 9's and 10's .Thats just as bad as the other plane maps ratings.
That sniper redeemer map is only a 1.5 tops,no 2 ways about it.

I agree and disagree with you on this. IMO, a fair number of people rate with only 1 or 2 perspectives in mind. Therefore to a non sniper player a sniper map gets a 1.0 - even if it was built perfectly. A perfect build score would at least give the map a 3. On the other end you have CTF-Seriramis (or whatever the mapname is. As you say 1.5 because of the fried framerate. I played another map the author made and I'm confident that the map as a whole is greater than 1.5 even though I've not yet played it. Would you score it a 1.5 simply on framerate alone? What if it had perfect build, perfect visuals, and perfect gameplay minus the FPS? That would be 3 for build, 3 for awe, and maybe 2.0 or 2.5 for perfect gameplay minus a few points for the FPS issue. That's a whole lot more than 1.5 for a final score.
I don't except users to score it according to NaliCity reviewer standards, but I think that people scoring a map on only gameplay or only visuals is rediculous.
I agree with you that sniper lovers posting a 9 or 10 on DM-SniperRedeemer heaven really shouldn't be done. It may have perfect sniper gameplay but the visuals are awful. Why can't they take that into account? Same goes in reverse. Hypothetically, what if a map looks absolutely amazing? But has no gameplay? That doesn't deserve a 1.0, nor does it deserve a 9.0.
IMO a fair number of people in general only score according to 1 or 2 aspects that they feel are the most important. And that's why we get such wacked scores sometimes.
It's too bad some people don't think a little harder when scoring a map. I'm not saying they should debate themselves about it for an hour, but I think a little more open-mindedness is not an unfair thing to ask for.

ReD_Fist
14th Jul 2005, 02:02 PM
Well basicaly the FPS trumps all,to try and play,like a bad ping.
So i still say 1.5 or even zero for that matter.


And yes people should consider of what went into the map to make it,as well as the gameplay,but like I said steady and good FPS will outdo all other aspects.
Even a missing file because you can probably get a missing file,or bsp holes,if it runs too slow it's unplayable.

ArcadiaVincennes
14th Jul 2005, 05:27 PM
Still a 1.5 or 0?
I disagree entirely but you have your opinion and I have mine.
Still, an interesting perspective. Thanks for the counterpoint.

Mister_Prophet
14th Jul 2005, 05:53 PM
If it makes anyone feel better...

I just got my admin powers to police the comment sections for Nali City since I check them pretty daily. I'll keep an eye out. So that's one more admin that is gonna kick your lame balls if you post something stupid.

I'm just sick of seeing you all bitch like teenage girls.

So if I miss something, Kantham or Red Fist or Swanky or whoever thinks they have a badge to call others out, pm me or Hourences.

Swanky
14th Jul 2005, 06:25 PM
I agree with both of you, Arcadia and RedFist. A nice looking map is always appreciated, but if it runs lame, well, I mostly substract one or one and a half points cause my PC is so damned old and I can't make anyone responsible for it, as well as I can't check fps on new rigs to see if they really lame. I normally delete the map then from my HD, cause an unplayable map won't be played. I don't blame anyone for it. :)

@ Mr Proph: Congrats! I'm sure to remember you if it comes to a thing that needs to be reported. ;)

ReD_Fist
14th Jul 2005, 07:20 PM
I dunno about a badge heh,but there is some silly stuff and strange users,including me hehe.............
Plus I am trying to get a few well known mappers to send thier maps again here,we will see.
I hope they do,it will be a suprise.

Manticore
17th Jul 2005, 05:23 PM
If it makes anyone feel better...
I feel better..... and I think PM'ing is a good idea instead of dragging the lameness into the public arena......