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Kaithofis
25th Jun 2005, 04:27 PM
As you might have seen, NC has once again been flooded with ehm.. "less professional" maps, from someone who decided to share with us his slow learning curve, by uploading every map he possibly could've made with 10 brushes

But although this makes excellent wosrt screenshot material, I'd say a fixing is in order
My guess is to contact the author and ask if he could make 1 file out of it, then delete the list so we can easily ignore it and move on to the playworthy maps.

Thank you for your time. And rock, rock on!

ReD_Fist
25th Jun 2005, 04:46 PM
Typical elitest,so sad,there hasnt been any maps uploaded anyway for like 4 or 5 days.
The crew here put them up there,so live with it.

RichyB
25th Jun 2005, 05:01 PM
It is a sad fact that i can not find a quality map no more. A year ago there was 1 or 2 a month now you would be lucky to get even one a year. As he mentioned uptop This site has been flooded with less then professional maps. You will turn into ut2004hq if your not careful.:)

Kaithofis
25th Jun 2005, 05:23 PM
Well, it's not the quality of the maps that bothers me most, it's the fact that there are 9 of them. By 1 author. In 1 day. It's the quality that makes me want to mention it though.
I mean, c'mon. You have seen the latest additions list. There's only 1 map in there that HASN'T been made by Foamygel.

So just to clear things up, I was talking about this particular situation.

RichyB
25th Jun 2005, 05:46 PM
I did understand you before and i do agree with you. It appears authors are falling to relise if they have 9 maps its best to put them in one file. I do also believe that some not all authors think quantity is better then quality. Id rather have one kick ass ownage map then 9 maps that are terrible.

ReD_Fist
25th Jun 2005, 07:38 PM
All the dude was doing was uploading his maps,the people who add them should add like you say 4 at a time.
How the hell is he supposed to know,plus the way people get treated because of level wich I probably would play either ,Like damn.

RichyB
25th Jun 2005, 09:30 PM
Red Fist is currect the author dided now so we can hardly blame him for it. The site could add some think in the upload section, about not uploading too manny maps separately or some think like that. There for he would have to put them all in the same file.

Mister_Prophet
25th Jun 2005, 11:48 PM
Who cares? The author in question is quite clear in his intention of submitting these map for database storage and have no real interest in seeing them reviewed. So what's the problem?

Chill your tits out.

RichyB
26th Jun 2005, 08:39 AM
Who cares? The author in question is quite clear in his intention of submitting these map for database storage and have no real interest in seeing them reviewed. So what's the problem? I dont see how you can now that. You have no idea what he was thinking at the time. Its over now so lets stop this ridiculous thread its pointless carrying it on.

XepptizZ
26th Jun 2005, 08:57 AM
People with strong opinions devolve from discussing to argueing.

Anyways, I see no problem in uploading a lot of maps @ once, definitly not if you're new. Also, I've heard a lots of people saying that it wouldn't matter if the maps were good. That's just pure hypocritical BS to be dismissive against not elite maps.

But that's not the point of discussion. Like sum already said, NC isn't taht busy anymore, but still people will flock near whatever map is wrong or whatever displeases them to scare away the potential mapper.

Mappers on their side ofcourse should be able to take the heat, but giving a fresh member the comment "Can we ban him?" even though he hasn't trolled at all seems harsh to say the least.

But you guys got what you wished for, he PMed me and said he won't bother to come around here anymore. And I've also stepped away from frequent visits.

RichyB
26th Jun 2005, 09:28 AM
Xepptizz we have said nuthink personal to him at all so i cant understand why hes done that. If he ran because of us complaining about how manny maps were sent out all at once then im sorry thats ridiculous.

It is sad a new mapper has felt he had to remove his maps from the site. I would like him to put his work back on NC because im sure some one will love your work.:)

ReD_Fist
26th Jun 2005, 11:09 AM
I looked last night,just go type in binslayer at google,thing is,i bet that foamy gal could probably take every one who hates 10 brush maps and whip there ass 100 times out of 100 rounds of ANY game type.

What he should add there is ,if i win 10 matches in a row,you have to post a 10 for each map i win in,hehehe.

Hourences
26th Jun 2005, 11:20 AM
Anyone is free to upload his level, no matter what the quality is or how many. Yes it IS irritating that it floods the latest add. list but thats not enough reason imo.
Say you made 10 maps and you suddenly discover this site then why would you suddenly make a mappack out of 10 different and unique stand alone maps ? I wouldnt do it either

Kantham
26th Jun 2005, 12:11 PM
I guess that making a map pack of that spree would have been the best imho. He made a bad name of himself for doing that,

I remeber that a guy said a comment like this (wich the comment is removed for now i guess)

"Nalicity is a place to upload maps, compared to UP where it;s a place to make friends."

I don't want to know who , but someone deleted my post that said my opinion between nalicity and UP and the mappack thing...

Well, That guy is a Fan of Giant map thing and no one like to see them here... and alot of people know that already. He came and got flamed like a little a nerd that come inside a gangsta click. Iv'e been very possitive to this mapper and i respect him even if he upload his map here. Nuff said.

Kaithofis
26th Jun 2005, 02:14 PM
Anyone is free to upload his level, no matter what the quality is or how many. Yes it IS irritating that it floods the latest add. list but thats not enough reason imo.
Say you made 10 maps and you suddenly discover this site then why would you suddenly make a mappack out of 10 different and unique stand alone maps ? I wouldnt do it either

Got point
But, I don't know how the uploading procedure goes ('cause I don't think I have made a map so far that's good enough for show), but I assume that there's some kind of screen with rules, or something like that. Like that Submit Maps page for example.

Maybe it'd be a good thing to pen down some pieces of friendly advice for the newcomers, before they find those things out while getting flamed at.
Things like first maps, maps with no screenshot, flooding the list etc.
Tell them that people might not react the way you'd like them too, when..., without making place sound like a war zone. (Like I maybe have done, sorry about that)

ReD_Fist
26th Jun 2005, 02:59 PM
Basicaly,now that he did get slammed,now all his friends and clans will more than likley come to nalicity to just cause trouble,in one way or another.
I can imagine what he's saying elsware now,and I am tellin ya there should be a checks and balances rating system,people with scoring,however it still wouldnt stop flaming,then again like i said before no one is forced to send a map to any site.
So if you are a singer and on stage and lip synched ,they better beware there is a croud in front of them.
But these guys really shouldn't bash,mainly because it is a TOTAL only GAMEPLAY type of approach to map making.
My opinion is ,is just respect what the other guy is doing,if you can't help yourself from commenting on a cube map then your the most wrong.and you know it's true.

Supposed to just leave it be if the level you know will be what you know prehand.

Swanky
26th Jun 2005, 03:25 PM
It's a bit of what I mentioned here as well:
http://forums.unrealplayground.com/showthread.php?p=401331#post401331

The problem is that there are two types of gamers in the community. Funnel / Sniper mappers / gamers and normal mapper / gamers.
For example a sniper comments bad on a normal mappers map while the average normal gamers gives bad ratings on funnel maps. Newbie maps that we got from time to time can be seen as funnel maps, yet they got flamed and everything for their first map, get directly involved in this flame war, which is a pity because you think of a couple of them could become a new good mapping generation - sadly it never happens because of the spam.
The link to the other thread gives more information about this topic.
The multiupload of maps by newbies is just one of the topics flowing into that whole huge problem.

Hourences
26th Jun 2005, 03:44 PM
What has the world become.. RedFist actualy says something that is true :P
Altho you dont always need to shut up just to save the name or whatever but in this case the guy did nothing wrong

I deleted your comment because it was too much "you suck cause you uploaded too much" like. Unfortunally I was off for the weekend and when I came back today lots more comments had been posted and the maps got taken offline. That was what I wanted to prevent and why I deleted your comment and I would have done the same thing to the other comments but didnt got the chance anymore.

Showing the rules or tips better might work yeah, tips might be added in the future, Ill look into it but im a bit busy atm.

ReD_Fist
26th Jun 2005, 04:35 PM
And,Mr. Swanky,I said somthing about your texture scaling for somthing,trim i think,and you gave me crap about it,so I just removed my comment.
The same for cursedsouls map there now,it has a killer bsp hole,but no no,he said "you don't know what i am taliking about as usaul" so i edited my comment,and i should remove it too.
But for me if a crappy looking map has a layout I like they will hear about it.
If a well done map has somthing funky they will hear about it,but the thing is,latley for me I will just put a comment like "nice map" and mabye no score cause the pro mappers are very touchy because they feel they been at it a long time and do good maps.So no noob mapper is going to tell them what to do and they get all bent.

On the other hand,the same in reverse is true,a gamer player (ZARK YUCK) or a first time level gets uploaded,then everyone picks on them cause they don't look like a pro mappers map.

For me q1 dups,all I got was ,oh stop making redo's wich to me showed how ignorant they are ,goes on and on

But the thing is,you will never see me go into ANY level and just drum up phoney comments,I can accept a ucky map,as well as try to understand what they were thinking upon desighning a level.

In my opinion,pro mappers should be scrutinized far more than other levels,the same for me you exspect a doctor of 30 years to figure out a problem more than a doctor just out of college.
So i would exspect the older doctor to get it right the first time.

Well either way each doesnt want to hear the bad,but other comments just to arouse hate ,the admin should give them a 3 day comment bann.no one will like it,but it would give a fresh outlook the next time they start typing.anyware for that matter.

Mister_Prophet
26th Jun 2005, 04:36 PM
I dont see how you can now that. You have no idea what he was thinking at the time. Its over now so lets stop this ridiculous thread its pointless carrying it on.

I do, and yes.

As a reviewer here I see what gets review requests. As a onlooker to the comments section I can clearly see Foamy Gel getting agitated ONLY after so many pointless comments like the ones mentioned here. So far all he has done is upload maps. He didn't defy any moral or site mapping laws and he hasn't asked for any reviews. And no it is not over because you seem to think this is the first time this has ever happened. More people will upload a load of their maps whether you like them or not and people will continue to to bitch about it.

XepptizZ
26th Jun 2005, 06:35 PM
I must sound like a bafoon, but this thread is great! From all what I've read it seems taht everyone here isn't flaming, bashing or trolling even though a very touchy topic is discussed.

It's particulairy touchy, coz it has mixed opinions in a very devided way.

Technicly you can upload what you watn as long it's UT related.
But it does clog up the latest additions wich is rude in a way.

And he should be able to take sum heat
But people shouldn't be discouraged by unconstructive and blunt comments wich don't regard to the map in question.

ReD_Fist
26th Jun 2005, 10:06 PM
Now WTF that 10 meg SH foamy map is gone now too,hehe

Well if this site gets more and more flamable,only the users are at blame.

And being one of the ones who went through his "zero period" LoL
it aint nothing to do with me.

The other guy keeps copying stuff,that nix dude is slamming ,fun weekend here heheh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Fix the score thing,AND add a checkbox to let the author make map commentable or not,before and after upload when they want.

Then if they get zeros or can't stand the heat ,it was thier choice.

While your at it,get this off of the review section
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=8492
thats just plane stupid,really.

and on another map some ctf map in the comments list this guy
:[lol]:Squid75
06-19-2005 11:33 PM EDT Rating: 0
Welp, I just wanted to see, and as I see it, this map sat in review que no longer than 18 or so days since today is the 19th. I have a map for over 1 year or so....you know what never mind, i give up on nalicity....Yous guys suck!

That about covers evrything in 2 days,sheeez........

Swanky
27th Jun 2005, 07:56 AM
See? That's a whole lot of flame here... More than anybody likes.
Oh by the way, that mike continued on bashing me, more on a sinper / map relation, but still.
Anyway, I agree with all comments here (or at least most).
There is a possible solution on the other thread: Making a new map section. The problem is that it would divide the community even further.
Another solution would be ignoring comments, but here is what I wrote over on UP:

Maybe I would if they didn't kill my map scores and the reputation for the unknowing who only see ratings as a way to get somebody to know and to download a map, to see if it is good or not. You, for example, would download any crap if you'd be new to this game and community, but when you see ratings and mappics you might download one of the better maps, satisfiing yourself instead of getting pissed off because of the lowscore maps. This is kind of unfair doing against someone, in this case us, the mappers.

Following that argumentation, it will hit the whole community afterwards, cause all mappers get pissed off and the remains of the community will break after some time as there isn't anything new.

I saw that once happen in another community: MUGEN. Maybe anyone heard of it. All the great character makers were gone over night, and all that was left was a community near total destruction, only having bad things that nobody really wanted to play or have. They vanished years ago, but there are still remainings of that loss. Big remainings.
Another argument to stop the whole sillyness.

Hourences
27th Jun 2005, 08:18 AM
Mappers wont extinct and you forget that this community is 6-7 years old already. Its still up and running despite thousands of crap maps and equal players out there.
A new section is out of the question imo, that would be supporting "crap" + Im sure someone else is going to want a section for another thing then and before you know it you have 50 sections
A map is a map.

How about just ignoring those maps and such comments ? Not replying on them, how hard it may be :)

If an author wants to have no comments he can request it to us, I could ofcourse auto turn off commenting on all maps that may evoke flame, like those 10 maps from the dude last weekend but that is a bit unfair as well IMO. If I uploaded a map to a site I would like to get comments..

Swanky
27th Jun 2005, 08:30 AM
But you don't anymore.
Anyway, the Mugen Community is about 5-6 years old as well, and those guys left around 3 years ago.

ArcadiaVincennes
27th Jun 2005, 11:57 AM
I saw some of the comments on the map flood map pages and my first impression was that the commentors, at first, just didn't 'get' what the maps were about. They were looking at them in the view of a normal map - not a subclass like sniper or funnel. Then, once there was more discussion, I got the impression that (some of) the comments started turning around to support the mapper in question and try to encourage him/her. But by that time it was too late.

Perhaps this was an error on both sides of the community - for the author in question not giving a screenshot that told us about the map, nor a description that the map was aimed at the sniper/funnel lovers - and for the commenters who were assuming that the maps were 'normal' UT maps.

I think the author has/had every right to post his/her work here and that both the author and commentators jumped to conclusions. I find it an unfortunate circumstance but I'm glad it sparked this discussion as I like a lot of what I read in the above comments.

So where can we go from here? I'm against creating a seperate section for sniper/funnel maps or 'noob' maps. Perhaps we can somehow request that author's submitting define their map type in the map description field when they upload it?

That way commenters not interested in the gametype can either stay away, or at least perhaps inflamatory comments based on misunderstandings could be reduced.

I think it's something to be addressed.

As it is, I've got a review request for DM-Redeemer-SniperHeavan (http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/map_hub.php?mid=3853) from fluffymike. I'm going to review it as I've reviewed other sniper maps in the past. Score it both as a normal map and as a sniper map.

I don't like sniper maps but I'm open to reviewing them. Just as someone worked hard to make something, I'll put a little effort into reviewing it - just to be fair and balanced. I would not do the same for a funnel map but only because I don't know what's good/bad about funnel maps.