View Full Version : Body Movement

22nd Jun 2005, 07:35 AM
I thought about some things:

Let the left-right axis of the mouse be fixed on turning your torso (just like in the mechwarrior-games) and with "a" & "d" turn your whole body around.

The turning-torso is fast and does not involve any foot-movement, the turning-everything would be slow and you would hear it.

When walking you could still use your mouse to turn around if the lower body automatically adjusts to the sight direction of the torso (this could even be a bit later and slower to simulate a more realistic turn-rate when in full running speed).

This is perhaps just a minor thing, but that is what really differentiates a weapon-mod from a whole new thrilling ego-shooter experience.

22nd Jun 2005, 04:47 PM
That would be horribly complex and unwieldly.


EDIT: Note I didn't say it would be "hard."

23rd Jun 2005, 10:06 PM
Not all that hard to do in HL2 (easy for me to say), but yeah, not a fun way to control yer gun totin' avatar. Especially when there are extra controls for other axes being added. On top of that, constant-speed turning is about as unrealistic as instant turning. I can 180 pretty quickly. Free aim sort of addresses this problem, and yes, it helps differentiate Infiltration from all of the other new thrilling ego-shooter experiences.

23rd Jun 2005, 10:33 PM
It's actually not necessarily a bad idea, assuming you have a much more advanced aiming system that dynamically simulates skeletal structure and human movement. If you don't, it's just a silly waste of time (play Outwars some time, but don't say I didn't warn you). A much better interface would be to make it an optional function of holding down a mouse button (say, the aim button), with auto return when you let go.

28th Jun 2005, 06:47 AM
I don't think it would be too complicated, you have the same commands you use for standard-ego-shooter; w-s-a-d and the mouse. Only the effect is different. You do away with strafing and get in turning your torso.
Turning the torso is only an idea, you could also control leaning instead of torso-turning, if thats more to your liking.
Perhaps the mechwarrior reference is causing problems; in MW you had several more things to consider (speed with 1-0, backward-forward, jumping, etc.) and I would not appreciate having the MW-Controls 1:1 converted to an ego-shooter (which would really be horribly complex).

28th Jun 2005, 11:03 AM
It all boils down to what you want the controls to define. I see them as a method of specifying actions. To me, in order to justify a MW style control interface, it has to allow for something new that the old control 'face doesn't allow. I don't see anything too terribly useful coming from it, at first glance. Humans can turn and pivot pretty quickly, as opposed to those 40 ton bots. For prone movements, maybe. Shooting with a twisted torso is not a comfortable enough position to be worth specifically maintaining with most stances, and it's not too often the auto-control of such movements are going to be undesireable.

Mucking up the control for the express purpose of making things more difficult is pretty bad form. The immediate problem I see is that the player now has to constantly keep track of what direction his feet are pointed at, something that won't be readily apparent - especially at the speed they can rotate.

3rd Jul 2005, 06:53 PM
I prefer keeping the strafing. If I want to shoot at 45deg to the side I will move forward+strafe. If I want 90deg I'll strafe. It's much more natural to control. Having turret-like controls is way too clumsy IMO (was pretty clumsy in battlezone 2 but at least that's with tanks - they're supposed to be clumsy).

12th Aug 2005, 09:58 AM
Keep the strafing. This game is REAL life, not Mechwarriors/Star Wars my friend. :D