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Memory
30th May 2005, 03:27 PM
Are you going to buy a new computer for UT2007? Or are you going to build your own computer for UT2007?

Has anyone got any tips for building a new PC?
Does anyone know any sites that gives you tutorials on how to build your own PC?
Many of you here, have built your own PC (Renegade Retard etc), have you got any tips?

Thanks.

BooGiTyBoY
30th May 2005, 03:31 PM
My tip is wait another year or so.
Building a pc for the next gen games now is way too early and way too expensive.

ANother tip is find a good site with a good barebones system you can piece together yourself. It may cost a few bucks more, but most of those places put together the main componenets for you (mainboard, cpu/heatsink w/thermal paste, etc.) as well as doing a test on your components and a burn-in period. Nothing is more frustrating than building a new pc, flipping that power switch, and nothing happens cuz' you happened to get a faulty piece of hardware.

I got my last barebones at Monarch COmputer Systems (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv) as well as two of my buddies. They may not be the cheapest compared to newegg or someplace like that, but you at least know what you are gettting is going to work, as well as excellent customer support in the future.

ALso another big tip is dont skimp on your power supply. It's easy to get a new tower and see that it comes with a 500wt power supply and think you're good. FIND OUT what kind of power supply it actually comes with and look it up online for reviews, comments, etc. I fried a power regulator chip on my mobo and had to RMA it due to a crappy generic power supply that came with my tower. It conked out on me and just before it stopped it must have surged or something, frying my mobo's chip in an instant. THAT was a good smell let me tell you.
Anyways... a Power Supply in my opinion is the most overlooked piece hardware in any system. People are too interested in what vid card, cpu, and whatnot that they tend to skimp on the PS and don't realize how important it really is nor how much damage it can do to your system if it's crappy.

Vault
30th May 2005, 03:33 PM
answer no. Im getting it for PS3

Memory
30th May 2005, 03:34 PM
I've never built a PC before, so I need more help. :D

Vault
30th May 2005, 03:41 PM
go to the Best Buy.....

BooGiTyBoY
30th May 2005, 03:44 PM
No offense dude, but if you can't say anything constructive in this thread.. don't post in it.

Majik
30th May 2005, 03:45 PM
answer no. Im getting it for PS3

If you have nothing to add then why bother replying? In other words ease up on the posts, you don't have to reply to everything... (no offence, but you're basically spamming)

Vault
30th May 2005, 03:49 PM
"Are you going to buy a new computer for UT2007?"

i answered the question Majik

what did you add by saying that?

BooGiTyBoY
30th May 2005, 03:55 PM
The thread name is BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER and his post asks for answers relating to BUILDING A NEW COMPUTER, not wether you are buying a Ps3 or about going to Best Buy to buy an overpriced fully built system.

Now before this thread gets way too off topic....

Memory, you can also go to Pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com/) which is pretty much the standard site for anyone to go see what things cost these days. You can also easily check out hardware comments/reviews/merchant reviews there as well.

Vault
30th May 2005, 03:57 PM
did you not read my reply?

Devastator
30th May 2005, 04:24 PM
Yes, I'll build a new puter for UT2007. But i'm waiting 'till 1 month before the game comes out.

Majik
30th May 2005, 04:35 PM
Sigh, use some common sense, Vault... I'm not really interested in flaming you, but your way of posting is annoying (seriously, you have 46 posts in less than one day, in other words...spamming).

Sorry, Memory, for the off-topicness. Didn't think I would need two posts to get my point across, I'm finished here.

Anyway, as BB already said, it would be best to wait till next year before you really look into what kind of hardware you want. We can only speculate in what the prices will be by the time the game comes out.

Vault
30th May 2005, 04:48 PM
its not spamming, its boredom, i have nothing to do :(

obviously, Memory doesnt care.. he hasnt said anything to me.. and im glad your finished here. Sigh on your own time

MuLuNGuS
30th May 2005, 04:53 PM
Yes, I'll build a new puter for UT2007. But i'm waiting 'till 1 month before the game comes out.


hmm...wrong way i think..(if there is a wrong way generally)
1. wait until UT2007 is out(or teh demo)
2. run it on ur crappy old computer(and laugh ur ass off;) )
3. buy an Athlon dualcore and a GeForce 7800GTX or the successor of this generation of gfx-card
4. buy an Ageia Physics-cart if it is cheap enough when ut2k7 comes out (Asus is in negotiations with Ageia)
5. play teh game...

i will go that way ;)

Denny
30th May 2005, 05:14 PM
I agree with BooGiTyBoY in that you should build your own PC, it's less propriatary so if you ever need to swap out a part you won't have to worry about possible problems with certain parts (Such as Dell with their custom Motherboards and Power Supplies). There pretty easy to assemble and they come with pretty thorough documentation so you should haveno troubles as long as you read the docs thoroughly. I also agree that you should wait at least until more about the game is known about the engine and it's requirements and also waiting till around it's release ain't a bad idea, buying a new PC now it may not be up to par then.

I also agree with MuLuNGuS in that you should try the game out before you go out and buy a new PC for it, i mean that's just common sense, unless you really need a new PC regardless. I'd also go AMD because Intel is gonna be adding DRM to both their new Dual-Core CPU's and Chipsets that lockout certain types of stuff users can do normally (It's mainly to prevent piracy, but it could negatively affect other stuff as well)

krjal
31st May 2005, 01:03 AM
I'll be waiting for official recommended specs or the demo.

I always shop locally though. Find the best (preferably cheapest) stores near you and get all the bits separately.

m&ms
31st May 2005, 04:03 AM
I just ordered a system that I'll be putting together when it arrives. I put a big emphasis on upgradability, so I'll just have to upgrade a few components to get ut2007 running instead of getting a whole new system.

AVP
21st Aug 2005, 12:41 PM
I dont need to buy new pc because i got good graphics card and a fast pc too:cake:

tool
21st Aug 2005, 01:08 PM
I have a geforce 6600 256mb card, and as far as I know that is the only thing I will need to really upgrade. From what i've read from interviews with epic you'll need a geforce 7800 just to be able to play ut2k7 at the high quality settings, and even that will be pushing it.

Neophoenix
21st Aug 2005, 02:07 PM
I will be building a new PC as well, but as others have said, wait till they at least give a release date and some specs to start. I want to try and build my pc myself. I've been told its cheaper, and I think its fun as hell. I've put a few upgrades on my current PC, and loved every minute of it :).

SwiftPaladin
21st Aug 2005, 02:24 PM
I bookmarked this (http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=314159272&topic=18488457&page=0) Gamespot thread a while back, and it updates periodically. It should prove helpful.

Discord
21st Aug 2005, 02:30 PM
Yeah... I'd say wait 'til Mark says Two Weeks. Then you'll know you're not in for any surprises.

Neophoenix
21st Aug 2005, 03:20 PM
Yeah, esp since I just read Sweeney stated that the sweet spot for GPU hardware is about 18 months away, and that the engine's performance on current hardware is only "decent."

Plumb_Drumb
21st Aug 2005, 03:59 PM
yeah, i bet the 7800 will do UT2007, like the ti4600 did UT2003/4.
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Wowbagger
21st Aug 2005, 04:04 PM
Yeah... I'd say wait 'til Mark says Two Weeks. Then you'll know you're not in for any surprises.

Now thats humor :)

AVP
21st Aug 2005, 06:06 PM
I dont need to build a new computer I got good graphics cad and it fast to :D

Lauren
21st Aug 2005, 06:23 PM
I u wanna run ut2k7 on highes details u need

These u need

Processor: Dualcore Processor Like AMD Ahtlon 64 X2 Or Pentium D
Graphics Card: Nvidia Geforce 6800 Or Higher, ATI Readon X700 Or Higher
PhsyX Card: AGEIA PhsyX PPU Card
Memory: 512MB DDR Minimum but i think in my option u need 1GB

its all your choice i already made the machine for a part my PPU is still missing

MuLuNGuS
22nd Aug 2005, 04:52 AM
I u wanna run ut2k7 on highes details u need

These u need

Processor: Dualcore Processor Like AMD Ahtlon 64 X2 Or Pentium D
Graphics Card: Nvidia Geforce 6800 Or Higher, ATI Readon X700 Or Higher
PhsyX Card: AGEIA PhsyX PPU Card
Memory: 512MB DDR Minimum but i think in my option u need 1GB

its all your choice i already made the machine for a part my PPU is still missing

no,

minimum:
1GB

better will be:
2GB

->Sachiel<-
24th Aug 2005, 03:42 AM
The only upgrades that I'll be adding to my computer when UT2007 comes out will be to buy the latest Geforce card that will be out at that time and SLi it with my Geforce 6800 (you can SLi any 2 Geforce cards as long as they have Geforce 6+ GPUs) and an extra Gigabite of RAM which will amount to a total of 2GB Dual DDR 400MHz RAM. I don't think an AGEIA physics card is necessary and I think my 3.2GHz HT Pentium 4 will hold up ok. (my current computer is almost the best out there currently and I've seen the EPIC guys playing the game on their computers [which probably have SLi Geforce 7800GTXs which are not really faster than the Geforce 6800, the difference between a 6800 and 7800 is mainly the 7800's support for REALLY COOL new effects] on full graphics with a framerate of 30 [I think], so with my slight upgrade I think it will run at maybe 35-40 frames/second at best which is more than playable)

MxX
24th Aug 2005, 03:48 AM
My PC is currently 10 months old, so hopefully I won`t have to buy a new one, just upgrade the memory up to 2 gigs and a new g-card

I just wait for the demo and then decide it, if necessary I surely will buy a new PC (my retailer let`s me "build it up" the way I want it;) )

->Sachiel<-
24th Aug 2005, 03:52 AM
What retailer is that MäxX?

edhe
24th Aug 2005, 06:05 AM
->Sachiel<- - your rig is far from 'almost the best out there' - and the AMD64 chips kick the ass off the P4s for gaming.

And as for your statement about the 7800 not being any faster than the 6800, you're talking out your arse backwards. It's been redesigned with shorter pipelines, so it's faster to start with, using less power per cycle and more overclockable. The actual graphical support of the 7800 is no different if not minor from the 6800.

And i'm sure when you SLI the two cards together you won't see the benefit you get, as the 7800 will likely be running at 6800 speeds from what i've read about asymmetric SLI - runs at the lower speeds.

Maybe you should start reading up, ->Sachiel<-.

kafros
24th Aug 2005, 06:08 AM
Quoting from an earlier post of mine:

CPU: HAL 9000
GPU: Enterprise Holodeck
RAM: multi quantum/physical state 15m^3 particle chamber (idea by FireCrack)
Network: Skynet (from terminator 3)

->Sachiel<-
24th Aug 2005, 07:00 AM
No, for one thing, I said my P4 will hold up ok not good, not great. I compared the actual statistics and not what they said about the Geforce 7800. Look at the specs (in numbers) of the Geforce 7800 and the specs (also in numbers) for the 6800, its not a big difference, not at all. If anything the SLi should at least run at the 7800 rendering speed for it would be the master and the 6800 would be the slave (it works the same as hard-drives in that sense). I think SLi works so that the rendering process is split amongst the videocards, but if a scene is using technology only supported by the 7800 only the 7800 will render that particular scene. SLi would never work at the speed of the weaker card. Maybe you should read up edhe

edhe
24th Aug 2005, 09:44 AM
How the hell do you intend on making a slower card run at a faster rate then?

JaFO
24th Aug 2005, 10:07 AM
and since the 6800 won't be rendering that particular scene/feature you've effectively reduced speed compared to a situation that has to 7800 or equivalents.
You'll still be faster compared to a 6800, but you won't be near the speed of a single 7800 ...

Never mind that Ati's Crossfire is far more efficient compared to SLI which is so fussy over hardware & drivers used that I really wonder why you'd want to bother ...
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I think the best thing to do right now is start saving money for a completely new high-end pc (+/- € 2000 - 3000 should be enough).
There's no way you can even imagine/afford a system that will run UT2k7 at 'respectable' speeds. I expect the same effect we had at the time UT2k3 was released : 'old' systems could run it, but without a lot of eye-candy ...

Considering that we won't know the full effect of the PPU & new physics (Karma was supposed to be great as well) I wouldn't want to bet on the PPU. Plus there's rumours that the PPU might be integrated into the next-gen graphicscards, which would make upgrading easier and even more effective.

Ati will have an answer to the 7800 by the end of this year and a half year later we'll see nVidia's answer to that ...

Plumb_Drumb
24th Aug 2005, 10:57 AM
Ati will have an answer to the 7800 by the end of this year and a half year later we'll see nVidia's answer to that ...

Which should be a lot closer to UT2k7's release.
I'm waiting a year (almost), for sure, then building a new computer.
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edhe
24th Aug 2005, 11:55 AM
In one year you should see:

Quad Core CPU architecture running on ddr2 speeds from AMD and ddr3 speeds from Intel.
3 maybe 4 16x PCI-e slots in a motherboard, possibly multi-gpu ?
Possibly multi-threading RAM.

3dmark05 scores of 25,000 - 30,000.

\o/

kafros
24th Aug 2005, 01:14 PM
In one year you should see:

Quad Core CPU architecture running on ddr2 speeds from AMD and ddr3 speeds from Intel.
3 maybe 4 16x PCI-e slots in a motherboard, possibly multi-gpu ?
Possibly multi-threading RAM.

3dmark05 scores of 25,000 - 30,000.

\o/

multi-threading RAM? ouch!

What does this scheduling tech for OS have to do with memory architecture? :)

Vault
24th Aug 2005, 01:38 PM
i need to figure out what the RAM is on mine at the moment.... :(
i know i'll at least have to get a 7800 GTX
will i need a new processor? i have a Pentium 4 at the moment..

Peregrine
24th Aug 2005, 06:58 PM
To answer the question: I am slowly upgrading. Kind of got forced to, as my mobo died.
So I bought a pretty good mobo and proccy and re-used the rest.
When the time comes I will buy what is currently a very high end AGP G card, which by then won't be so it won't be as expensive. And buy 1.5 G o' RAM.
My new mobo supports S-ATA and IDE, but NOT PCI-E.
Currently have IDE drives.
New proccy is an AMD64 2.0G.
Current VC is a GeForce4 TI 4200 64M (which when I bought it was actually clocked slightly better then the 128M model).
512M of DDR 400 RAM. Bump that is my next goal.
The key, I think is, big honking power supply, and a mobo that isn't maxed, meaning you have room to upgrade. Either that, or buy cheap mobos and replace them more often.
I think buying from stores is just crazy talk.

*OT kinda*
A co-worker asked "Can you recommend a good gaming laptop?"
I said "If price were no object, an Alienware."
He bought a top of the line $2,800 (after $500 rebate) Alienware laptop.

Got it the other day and brought it in to show me. Far and away the sweetest laptop I've seen in person. Also the largest I've ever seen!

Lauren
25th Aug 2005, 11:09 AM
The quadcores already here IBM made them..

GF7800 is faster than the GF6800 know why? about new technology and the core is 500mhz u can clock it to 730mhz Stabel "i already got it running it on sli" so Dual 730Mhz GPU's.

nextgen games will use more GPU's and PPU cards. bcause ther phsyX's.

an u can play next gen games on dualcores or single cores.

AMD 64 3400+ Or AMD 64 FX-55. FX-57 Or The AMD 64 X2 Dualcores.

And Pentium D And Pentium 4 N64 "With 64b Emulation"

MxX
25th Aug 2005, 11:19 AM
What retailer is that MxX?
It`s only small shop, but a partner of Chili green (http://www.chiligreen.com/site/).

shoptroll
25th Aug 2005, 12:40 PM
Well, here's a starting place:

War_Tourist (from INA): "It was a P4 3.8 single core, on a single 256 meg nvidia 7800 gtx with 2 gigs of system RAM running at 1024x768."

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=488705&perpage=30&pagenumber=4

Someone notes before the post, that the engine is tailored to multi-core systems, so if you can do that go for it.

Lauren
25th Aug 2005, 03:30 PM
so u are able to play the game on a p4 3.6 single core and pentium D and amd 64 fx and x2 the multicore is just noncense they dont gonna make a game that will use 4 cores. at this time the game runned begun this summer on a AMD 64 FX-55 with SLI GF6800